Atheilia
31-10-2005, 17:09
First of all I would like to greet everyone ..... :fluffle: .. hugs. ;)
I am a strong atheist, hence I have had my share of philosophical debates throughout the years about various religions, I have heard almost any argument from both sides and .... I dont discuss religion anymore, however a dream last night really caught my attention, maybe bacause it was so vivid and every part of it was clear, and it had religious aspects.
My dream:
I am standing in a street belonging to the town where I grew up as a child, the weather is clear and the streets are empty, no people in sight. All of a sudden a naked short fella with blonde curly hair and a little hat which looks like a little human baby walks to me and smiles. ; Hello, I am Thorbjørn (which can be translated with Thorbear in english).
I smile and totally disregarding his nudity I greet him nicely. He is constantly smiling and walking along with me ; - Did you know all religious books are a pile of crap and propaganda made to those arent in heaven yet? : Thorbear says.
Apparantly in my dream I am not an atheist, nor am I a believer, at least my mind doesnt take the religious aspect into account
Me;- No, I didnt know heaven had books.
Thorbear;- Humans wrote them out of passion, in every passion there is lie, a lie which you tell yourself and then others.
Me;- Oooh....(I didnt understand this)
Thorbear;- There is only one law in the universe.
Me;-Oooh... which?
Thorbear;- To understand, its how you interpret your understanding and use it which will lead to your judgement, do you really think Johan made it to heaven after robbing the bread of his children just because he appologised and prayed everytime? Most humans dont really mean they are sorry when they say it, they only fear the consequences of not saying it.... thats not enough, you have to understand that.
Me;- (I was silent wondering about who Johan was)
Thorbear;- I am hungry, could you buy me a loaf of bread please .. here, I ll give you some money.
I took the 100 crowns of his hands which is more than plentyfull to buy bread in Denmark, but everywhere I found out that bread costed more than that .. and I couldnt afford it, so I decided to go back and give the money back to Thorbear.
Me,- Everywhere I went I failed to find anything this cheap and I dont have any money.
Thorbear;- Thank you, you did what was right from your understanding, but you really never understood ... dont worry, you will.
Me: (I was completely confused at this point)
Thorbear;- My love is unconditional, do not pray, do not look up for answers ... feel around ... feel within and understand. If someone didnt believe in you but asked for a glass of water ... wouldnt you give it to him? Ofcourse you would .. (he had a large smile on his face).
Me;- (The last part I understood so I nodded).
Thorbear;- Oooh dear, time has gone and my son must be hungry, take care young one ... and remember ... understand.
I waved and shortly after I woke up.
My subconscience does love to play games with me, but I can see why some people would have doubts in regard to religion after having this dream. I usually remember most of my dreams, but this one was very detailed .. in a way really kind of scary.
Well ... I hope my first post didnt bore you too much :cool:
I am a strong atheist, hence I have had my share of philosophical debates throughout the years about various religions, I have heard almost any argument from both sides and .... I dont discuss religion anymore, however a dream last night really caught my attention, maybe bacause it was so vivid and every part of it was clear, and it had religious aspects.
My dream:
I am standing in a street belonging to the town where I grew up as a child, the weather is clear and the streets are empty, no people in sight. All of a sudden a naked short fella with blonde curly hair and a little hat which looks like a little human baby walks to me and smiles. ; Hello, I am Thorbjørn (which can be translated with Thorbear in english).
I smile and totally disregarding his nudity I greet him nicely. He is constantly smiling and walking along with me ; - Did you know all religious books are a pile of crap and propaganda made to those arent in heaven yet? : Thorbear says.
Apparantly in my dream I am not an atheist, nor am I a believer, at least my mind doesnt take the religious aspect into account
Me;- No, I didnt know heaven had books.
Thorbear;- Humans wrote them out of passion, in every passion there is lie, a lie which you tell yourself and then others.
Me;- Oooh....(I didnt understand this)
Thorbear;- There is only one law in the universe.
Me;-Oooh... which?
Thorbear;- To understand, its how you interpret your understanding and use it which will lead to your judgement, do you really think Johan made it to heaven after robbing the bread of his children just because he appologised and prayed everytime? Most humans dont really mean they are sorry when they say it, they only fear the consequences of not saying it.... thats not enough, you have to understand that.
Me;- (I was silent wondering about who Johan was)
Thorbear;- I am hungry, could you buy me a loaf of bread please .. here, I ll give you some money.
I took the 100 crowns of his hands which is more than plentyfull to buy bread in Denmark, but everywhere I found out that bread costed more than that .. and I couldnt afford it, so I decided to go back and give the money back to Thorbear.
Me,- Everywhere I went I failed to find anything this cheap and I dont have any money.
Thorbear;- Thank you, you did what was right from your understanding, but you really never understood ... dont worry, you will.
Me: (I was completely confused at this point)
Thorbear;- My love is unconditional, do not pray, do not look up for answers ... feel around ... feel within and understand. If someone didnt believe in you but asked for a glass of water ... wouldnt you give it to him? Ofcourse you would .. (he had a large smile on his face).
Me;- (The last part I understood so I nodded).
Thorbear;- Oooh dear, time has gone and my son must be hungry, take care young one ... and remember ... understand.
I waved and shortly after I woke up.
My subconscience does love to play games with me, but I can see why some people would have doubts in regard to religion after having this dream. I usually remember most of my dreams, but this one was very detailed .. in a way really kind of scary.
Well ... I hope my first post didnt bore you too much :cool: