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I wasn't aware people did.

Because today is hate-a-hippie-day !

I love hippies!

South Park.

i don't hate hippies. i practically am one :)

a lot of overly-pushy people, often right-wingers and squares (;)) see hippies as the lowest form of lazy person in society, i would guess.

I think hippies foolishly thought that idealism alone was enough to change the world. You need cynicism too. Not too much though, or you'll become a goth (pretty much the diametric opposite of a hippie) and cynicism alone won't change the world either (though if you're that cynical, you won't think nothing can change the world).

I love goths!

Probably because the original hippy movement didn't work out, so people see the hippies of today as members an essentially self-absorbed and self-indulgent movement, dedicated to dropping out of society and doing nothing in particular except mooching off it. Not that this necessarily reflects what hippies are, but when most people hear the word it conjures up images of all the worst stereotypes and excesses: love-ins, unwashed deadbeats, serious marijuana addiction, communes full of spaced out guys who couldn't organise their way out of a paper bag, ludicrously unrealistic philosophies, painfully trite versions of eastern mysticism, and so on and so forht.

I love goths!
Oh yeah, goths can be fun, especially when everyone else you know is irritatingly cheerful. My point was that to have a hope of changing the world you need a mixture of idealism (characteristic of the hippies) and cynicism (characteristic of the goths).

I'm inclined to disagree - I'm a punk rocker, part of a movement that are convinced ANTI-hippies.

There are certain reasons for this, but the primary one is contempt for the belief that everything can and will work out if you just stop criticising society and love everyone. It's naive, and allows people who do not share the hippie belief(and this means most of society) to take control of government and fuck it up.

Goth are not the opposite of hippies, they are rather a darker and more moping kind of hippie.

Kill the hippies,
Tias.

This is the reason why:

"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before," Bokonon tells us. "He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way."

- Kurt Vonnegut, "Cat's Cradle"

I love goths!I love goths too. I live a psuedo-gothic lifetstyle myself. My goth friends have hippy friends, and I have no problem with them at all. I disagree with PM on his right-wing idea thought - largely because two of the hippies in question are two of the most right-wing people I've ever met! :D

I'm inclined to disagree - I'm a punk rocker, part of a movement that are convinced ANTI-hippies.
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Goth are not the opposite of hippies, they are rather a darker and more moping kind of hippie.
But the goth counterculture evolved from the punk counterculture. I see hopeless idealism as the define characteristic of the hippie counterculture, and it seems to be entirely absent from the goth counterculture. I do however like the comparison you give, as it's rather poetic.

serious marijuana addiction


hahahahaha

Aside from being lazy, smelly, drug-addled, slacker, commie-libs who contribute nothing to the good of society?

Haven't a clue.

Aside from being lazy, smelly, drug-addled, slacker, commie-libs who contribute nothing to the good of society?

Haven't a clue.

Took a page right out of Dubya's notebook?

I'm inclined to disagree - I'm a punk rocker, part of a movement that are convinced ANTI-hippies.

There are certain reasons for this, but the primary one is contempt for the belief that everything can and will work out if you just stop criticising society and love everyone. It's naive, and allows people who do not share the hippie belief(and this means most of society) to take control of government and fuck it up.

Goth are not the opposite of hippies, they are rather a darker and more moping kind of hippie.

Kill the hippies,
Tias.

HAHAHAHA!

Ahhhhhh. So good. So very good.

Yeah, those punk rockers. So different and 'alternative'. Got all the answers, they do. It's a 'movement', you see. Gonna get things done, they are. They're not just going to sit around getting stoned, listening to the Dead Kennedys and talking about how much everything sucks, but how they know what's wrong with everyone. Nah. It's a 'movement'.

The majority of hippies, including the most visible, were halfwits who did not understand much of the philosophy they espoused, but were just along for the scene.

In general, the modern hippie that you see is pretty damn stupid, and they listen to ridiculously bad music.

Took a page right out of Dubya's notebook?
Or Reagan's, as his name indicates.

:confused:
Hippies have been hated since they first appeared. Do you really think normal folks in the late '60s and in the '70s enjoyed having unemployed, patchoulie-scented, hairy freaks wandering around their cities causing civil unrest?

Aside from being lazy, smelly, drug-addled, slacker, commie-libs who contribute nothing to the good of society?

Haven't a clue.

Hey...I resent that!

I am NOT smelly!

Probably because the original hippy movement didn't work out, so people see the hippies of today as members an essentially self-absorbed and self-indulgent movement, dedicated to dropping out of society and doing nothing in particular except mooching off it. Not that this necessarily reflects what hippies are, but when most people hear the word it conjures up images of all the worst stereotypes and excesses: love-ins, unwashed deadbeats, serious marijuana addiction, communes full of spaced out guys who couldn't organise their way out of a paper bag, ludicrously unrealistic philosophies, painfully trite versions of eastern mysticism, and so on and so forht.

Was going to respond. But this is well said. I second this comment. Also I blame them for everything wrong in society today. ;)

Yeah, those punk rockers. So different and 'alternative'. Got all the answers, they do. It's a 'movement', you see. Gonna get things done, they are.
I thought the punk rockers, much like their descendents the goths, were generally of the opinion that there are no answers, and just wanted to make sure everyone else knows how bad everything is. I've never heard an original (as opposed to modern) punk rocker express a political agenda more advanced than "we want everyone to know the monarchy and government are fascist".

ive always considered punks to be hippies with attitude...... anybody else feel that in the slightest bit?

ive always considered punks to be hippies with attitude...... anybody else feel that in the slightest bit?
Hippie: "If I wave a flower at the people pointing guns at me, they'll realise that peace and love is so much better than war and hate."
Goth: "If a hippie waves a flower in America, it will cause a tsunami in Asia. This wouldn't happen if all the hippies, flowers, Americans and Asians would just die."
Punk: "If I dress up as a flower on stage..." (I haven't thought this one through yet - if someone could remind me which particular punk band was famous for this, it'd help)

Oh yeah, goths can be fun, especially when everyone else you know is irritatingly cheerful. My point was that to have a hope of changing the world you need a mixture of idealism (characteristic of the hippies) and cynicism (characteristic of the goths).
Oh cool, that means I can save...er, change the world. ;)

~Czardas, the cynical idealist ruler of the multiverse

I'm inclined to disagree - I'm a punk rocker, part of a movement that are convinced ANTI-hippies.

There are certain reasons for this, but the primary one is contempt for the belief that everything can and will work out if you just stop criticising society and love everyone. It's naive, and allows people who do not share the hippie belief(and this means most of society) to take control of government and fuck it up.

Goth are not the opposite of hippies, they are rather a darker and more moping kind of hippie.

Kill the hippies,
Tias.

Bah.

I'm a punk-hippie. You don't like it...then have a flower, and go screw yourself with it. ;)

everybody loves nu-hippies :D

everybody loves nu-hippies :D

:D

Aside from being lazy, smelly, drug-addled, slacker, commie-libs who contribute nothing to the good of society?
People hate commies, drug addicts, and slackers? I don't. :confused:

;)

People hate commies, drug addicts, and slackers? I don't. :confused:

;)

:fluffle:

I'm inclined to disagree - I'm a punk rocker, part of a movement that are convinced ANTI-hippies.

There are certain reasons for this, but the primary one is contempt for the belief that everything can and will work out if you just stop criticising society and love everyone. It's naive, and allows people who do not share the hippie belief(and this means most of society) to take control of government and fuck it up.

Goth are not the opposite of hippies, they are rather a darker and more moping kind of hippie.

Kill the hippies,
Tias.
Seconded.

If goths aren't cronically depressed hippies, what the hell are they? Let's see..
Hopeless dreamers? Check
Idealists? Check (granted, they're so cynical that they are cronically depressed because they believe all their nice ideals can never come about).
Pussies who give up instead of standing up for what they believe? Check.
Annoying idiots who're stealing my oxygen, and needlessly adding to the overpopulation problem, though they're so fucking pathetic they'd be better off going out in lemming style? Check.

Face it. Goths are just 16 bit grayscale hippies. And yea, I hate 'em.

People who hate hippies.. bastards.. just because you don't have great hair..

I thought the punk rockers, much like their descendents the goths, were generally of the opinion that there are no answers, and just wanted to make sure everyone else knows how bad everything is. I've never heard an original (as opposed to modern) punk rocker express a political agenda more advanced than "we want everyone to know the monarchy and government are fascist".

I haven't got much experience with original punk rockers. They just seemed like angry "non-conformists" (note the quotations) to me, from what I've read and seen.

I do have a lot of close, personal experience with 'modern' punk rockers, which is more what I based my comments on.

Revasser>> So. Were you dropped on your head as a kid, or did you do it to yourself because you liked the feeling? You couldn't actually argue with what I said, so you spewed garbage. And you don't know anything about punk, period.

Punk rock is anti-hippie. Was originally, still is; and always will be. Hippies promised us a socialist world of love and brotherhood, and it turned to complete shit. It's not revenge, it's contempt for the sake of principle; and the principle is that it is totally counter-productive to sit on one's ass and claim that loving enough will make the world a better place.

Safalra>> Halfway there - There are no answers as to how one creates a world without prejudice and conformity. Constantly criticising the blatant inequality and corruption in society is the only way to tear down the structures that be; to be replaced with something better. And no, no one agrees what it is ~ the reason we don't have "an opinion" is that punk is apolitical, although most are of a strongly libertarian stripe.

Kanabia>> It's an oxymoron. You're trying to be cool, not to make a difference; so screw yourself.

I so do hope this doesn't spawn a "what is punk?" thread.

Kanabia>> It's an oxymoron. You're trying to be cool, not to make a difference; so screw yourself.

I'm not trying to be cool.

I find equal enjoyment in "hippie" music and punk rock. I quite like the hippie outlook on life. Where relevant. I'm also active politically. So...

And no need to be rude, I was joking with my previous comment. Unless you so happen to be one of those stereotypical elitist punks that I was making fun of with that very same statement.

Revasser>> So. Were you dropped on your head as a kid, or did you do it to yourself because you liked the feeling? You couldn't actually argue with what I said, so you spewed garbage. And you don't know anything about punk, period.


Heh. "You just don't understand me, man!"

I had no intention of arguing with what you said, since you didn't really say anything that warranted my bothering to argue. It was basically just a bunch of "I'm cool because I know something you don't" teen-rebellion bull. I just get a kick out of people who claim they're part of a 'movement' because they dress a certain way, listen to a certain brand of music and regurgitate a bunch of crap designed to sell a product, and think they 'get it'.

*comes out of of haze long enough to brush crumbs of off tie-die shirt, notice thread, laugh, light up another*

i don't hate hippies. i practically am one :)

a lot of overly-pushy people, often right-wingers and squares (;)) see hippies as the lowest form of lazy person in society, i would guess.

I object to that. I dont like hippies cos they're pacifists and seem to look down on non-hippies.

I object to that. I dont like hippies cos they're pacifists and seem to look down on non-hippies.
I'm only a pacifist to anyone who is willing to accomodate and accept my beliefs.

Otherwise, it's war. :p

*comes out of of haze long enough to brush crumbs of off tie-die shirt, notice thread, laugh, light up another*

Hah! Yer my kinda people. Pass the bag and the bowl, I'll chop.

I really like hippies. I remember one day a group of five hippies all hugged me and invited me for a meal and offered me some weed just because I smiled and said "Hi." to them in the street. Any group of people who does that is okay in my book.

Oh cool, that means I can save...er, change the world. ;)

~Czardas, the cynical idealist ruler of the multiverse
*Safalra adds Czardas to his Interesting People list*

Hah! Yer my kinda people. Pass the bag and the bowl, I'll chop.

I really like hippies. I remember one day a group of five hippies all hugged me and invited me for a meal and offered me some weed just because I smiled and said "Hi." to them in the street. Any group of people who does that is okay in my book.
Yeah. The problem isn't the hippies. It's everyone else. I mean, where's the love, man?

Probably because the original hippy movement didn't work out, so people see the hippies of today as members an essentially self-absorbed and self-indulgent movement, dedicated to dropping out of society and doing nothing in particular except mooching off it.

Quite untrue. The Hippy movement did work at the time and for years after. Many of the Hippy value systems are still in place today. Now they're just called "liberals" however, some were hypocrites to be sure. Don't forget it was the baby boomers who were the hippies of the 60's. Now all they care about is their 401K and such and driving their SUV. They sold out. However many didn't.

I think one of my all time favourite quotes was from a famous Anthropologist by the name of Margaret Mead and she wrote and I still believe it today as I did as a teen and a young adult and now as a woman closer to 40 than 30..lol

Never doubt that a small, group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.

And that is all the Hippy movement was really about, it's as true today as it was then.

Hippies: Making the place look untidy since 1965

If goths aren't cronically depressed hippies, what the hell are they? Let's see..
Hopeless dreamers? Check
Idealists? Check (granted, they're so cynical that they are cronically depressed because they believe all their nice ideals can never come about).
Pussies who give up instead of standing up for what they believe? Check.

Ignoring all the pejorative nonsense which I haven't quoted, you've actually stumbled across something deeper here - a form of transition that's quite common. Most people go through a less extreme version, going from an idealistic youth to a conservative middle age (summed up in a famous quote by Churchill - "Anyone who isn't a liberal at 20 has no heart; anyone who isn't a conservative at 40 has no brain"). Most goths go through an idealistic (even hippyish) phase before becoming goths, but calling them 'cronically depressed hippies' is no more accurate than calling 'born-again' prisoners 'charitable criminals'.

(summed up in a famous quote by Churchill - "Anyone who isn't a liberal at 20 has no heart; anyone who isn't a conservative at 40 has no brain").

I seem to recall something about that quote being false, and Churchill never saying any such thing. It would probably make sense in that the liberal/conservative paradigm is an exclusively American way of looking at politics nowadays, though i'm not sure if it was the political opinion in Britain at the time.

I seem to recall something about that quote being false, and Churchill never saying any such thing.
I have no recollection of this churchill man ever existing. The entire 20th Century was a senseless lie.

I have no recollection of this churchill man ever existing. The entire 20th Century was a senseless lie.

Are you disputing the legitimacy of my claim? :p

Ignoring all the pejorative nonsense which I haven't quoted, you've actually stumbled across something deeper here - a form of transition that's quite common. Most people go through a less extreme version, going from an idealistic youth to a conservative middle age (summed up in a famous quote by Churchill - "Anyone who isn't a liberal at 20 has no heart; anyone who isn't a conservative at 40 has no brain"). Most goths go through an idealistic (even hippyish) phase before becoming goths, but calling them 'cronically depressed hippies' is no more accurate than calling 'born-again' prisoners 'charitable criminals'.
No offence or anything, but I really don't give a shit. Quitters & apathetic wankers bug me. Goths will always just be grayscale hippies to me.

I seem to recall something about that quote being false, and Churchill never saying any such thing.
I'll have to look into it, then. It's still an interesting quote, whoever invented it.

It would probably make sense in that the liberal/conservative paradigm is an exclusively American way of looking at politics nowadays, though i'm not sure if it was the political opinion in Britain at the time.
At the time Churchill is supposed to have said that, the Labour party was a very minor party, and the Conservative Party and Liberal Party (now the Liberal Democrats) controlled most of parliament.

No offence or anything, but I really don't give a shit.
Well I'd guessed that - I was writing more for the hypothetical Interested Third Party.

Quitters & apathetic wankers bug me. Goths will always just be grayscale hippies to me.
Though I wouldn't phrase it that way, I would agree that it's very annoying when people swing from hopeless idealism to hopeless cynicism. I can't stand it when people totally give up on all their ideals, which is unfortunately how most people are. I can tolerate Goths 'cause they can be interesting in their cynicism, which is more than I can say for most people, whose cynicism usually takes they form "Well, the government/scientists/experts may say that, but really...".

I'll have to look into it, then. It's still an interesting quote, whoever invented it.

I don't agree with it.


At the time Churchill is supposed to have said that, the Labour party was a very minor party, and the Conservative Party and Liberal Party (now the Liberal Democrats) controlled most of parliament.

Yeah, good point. However, didn't the Liberals in particular oppose giving voting rights to women? I recall a sufragette poster criticising them. Kinda puts things into perspective...If that is correct, he might have meant something very different from the modern conception of "Liberal".

"hate" is too strong a word.

Main reasons I disagree with hippies today (specifically, anti-Iraq-freedom hippies):

a)Protesting the war harms the morale of troops who are over there trying to help people. When the US is behind the war effort, the war effort is strong. When some USians bitch about it, things historically don't go as well (Vietnam). So it's sort of a "get on our team" gripe -- quit bitching about the war and support the US effort.

b)The United States is in the process of helping Iraq become a democratic country. this is a good thing. I think it was woodrow wilson (guess #2: truman) who said we should fight to keep the world safe for democracy. That's what we're doing in Iraq. We are on the side of freedom. The insurgents, conversely, wish to keep oppressing the majority Shi'a and the kurds.

I don't agree with it.
Nor do I, I just said it was interesting - particularly as it summarises the route that many people take, and why, in retrospect, they think it was the right route.

Yeah, good point. However, didn't the Liberals in particular oppose giving voting rights to women? I recall a sufragette poster criticising them. Kinda puts things into perspective...If that is correct, he might have meant something very different from the modern conception of "Liberal".
From my (very brief) research (okay, I just searched in Google), it appears that the suffragettes had many supporters in the Liberal Party, but the people at the top of the party, Winston Churchill (who was in the Liberal Party at the time) and Sir Edward Grey, refused to comment on whether they thought women should get the vote (presumably because they didn't want to loose votes from male chauvanist demographic).

cripes. looks like i missed the pitch. lol

hippies, okay... well as long as they stay off my land, i don't give a crap how they cultivate their crops or (for that matter) what they cultivate. hehe

"hate" is too strong a word.

Main reasons I disagree with hippies today (specifically, anti-Iraq-freedom hippies):

a)Protesting the war harms the morale of troops who are over there trying to help people. When the US is behind the war effort, the war effort is strong. When some USians bitch about it, things historically don't go as well (Vietnam). So it's sort of a "get on our team" gripe -- quit bitching about the war and support the US effort.

b)The United States is in the process of helping Iraq become a democratic country. this is a good thing. I think it was woodrow wilson (guess #2: truman) who said we should fight to keep the world safe for democracy. That's what we're doing in Iraq. We are on the side of freedom. The insurgents, conversely, wish to keep oppressing the majority Shi'a and the kurds.

Kind of hard to fight for freedom around the world and more pointedly Iraq when you disapprove of it at home. :rolleyes:

When some USians bitch about it, things historically don't go as well (Vietnam).
Or maybe it's the other way round - people really start to protest about the war when it's going badly. I can't believe soldiers are so psychologically weak to be seriously affected by the anti-war lobby.

b)The United States is in the process of helping Iraq become a democratic country. this is a good thing. I think it was woodrow wilson (guess #2: truman) who said we should fight to keep the world safe for democracy. That's what we're doing in Iraq. We are on the side of freedom. The insurgents, conversely, wish to keep oppressing the majority Shi'a and the kurds.
We have enough threads on Iraq as it is. I'll make one comment though: you've neglected to mention the Shi'a militias (such as the Mehdi Army), who aren't anti-democracy but just anti-American/British. If you want to continue this discussion, I suggest we take it to another (or a new) thread.

Revasser>> Allright, you really don't get it, do you?

listen to a certain brand of music and regurgitate a bunch of crap designed to sell a product

I don't listen to a "brand" of music. Corporate "rebellious" rock labeled as punk, such as Blink 182, Good Charlotte or Simple Plan, is a brand designed to brainfuck impressionable teens. Punk bands aren't about that, never was, and never will be.

The punk counterculture as espoused by real punks never was about selling anything; therefore the DIY and anti-commercialist ethics in the punk underground MOVEMENT that has survived since the seventies and is thriving this very day.

But we're getting off topic here, and you haven't yet said anything worth wasting the bother on. Sure you aren't a hippie? ;)

i like goths because they are witty smart-asses. i like hippies cause they have the best cronic.

people usually hate(see also "fear") anything they dont understand and cant relate to. i get annoyed by young people today who bash the hippies when they have no clue what it was all about and even the ones who try to emulate something they dont understand and were not a part of.

"Hippies have been hated since they first appeared. Do you really think normal folks in the late '60s and in the '70s enjoyed having unemployed, patchoulie-scented, hairy freaks wandering around their cities causing civil unrest?"

well,thats because some of the hippies WERE smart and organized,not just fried stoners,and the powers that be dont like facing the truth,especially when its presented by a bunch of "unwashed commie dopeheads." they forced people to face their own greed and hypocracy. its no wonder everything you read about hippies now says they were all a bunch of dumbasses like the character played by Tommy Chong. not all hippies are fried dopeheads who speak like cheech and chong,and the free-love era was not soley responsible for the spread of drugs and STD's. that is revisionist propoganda. simply put,our nation views that era as a national "maturity setback" and wished to pretend it didnt happen the way it really happened. alot of good things came out of that time,like increases in civil rights. unfortunately,it now seems that greedy corporate america wishes to strip us of those rights and they have bought off the corrupt government. the patriot act and the department of homeland security has been in the works for a long time. 9/11 was staged for this purpose,either directly or indirectly. you have no idea how many rights we have lost since 9/11.

incedently,im not a hippie. i wasnt born soon enough,but i wish i had been. and most modern hippies are not real hippies,they are posers....

Well I'd guessed that - I was writing more for the hypothetical Interested Third Party.
Hope hypo gained from it ;)

Though I wouldn't phrase it that way, I would agree that it's very annoying when people swing from hopeless idealism to hopeless cynicism. I can't stand it when people totally give up on all their ideals, which is unfortunately how most people are. I can tolerate Goths 'cause they can be interesting in their cynicism, which is more than I can say for most people, whose cynicism usually takes they form "Well, the government/scientists/experts may say that, but really...".
I actually think hippies & goths are far more aggreviating than other apathetic wankers. At least the standard bunch concentrate on achiving some things for themselves & their families. the colour/black & white hippies just sit there.

But I guess semi nihilistic, introvert slugs are your cup of tea. Personally I have to fight myself to supress the urge to give them a good stomping.

I dislike their hair and dress sense. I mean, I don't care much about what I wear (black, mostly), and neither is my hair particularly neat… but something about the hippies particularly annoys me. I am a hating bastard deep down, so it's only natural. http://assets.jolt.co.uk/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

Then again, I am a moody bugger in general… so something about their unserious attitude just snaps something in me. Sorry.

I actually think hippies & goths are far more aggreviating than other apathetic wankers. At least the standard bunch concentrate on achiving some things for themselves & their families.
Unfortunately when your dreams consist of being able to pay off the mortgage or getting a promotion so can afford to holiday for your entire fortnight off, I can't say they're particularly praiseworthy. (This reminds me of a line in Death Of A Salesman.)

But I guess semi nihilistic, introvert slugs are your cup of tea. Personally I have to fight myself to supress the urge to give them a good stomping.
If I knew a lot of goths then they'd probably rapidly start to irritate and then enrage me, but as I rarely encounter them I find them interesting. I have a seriously Christian friend who I find interesting, but if I had to meet his fellow congregants I'd probably end up throwing a bible at someone.

Unfortunately when your dreams consist of being able to pay off the mortgage or getting a promotion so can afford to holiday for your entire fortnight off, I can't say they're particularly praiseworthy. (This reminds me of a line in Death Of A Salesman.)
Oh don't get me wrong. I have no respect for quitters, regardless of what their excuse is. The key difference here is that most of these people know fuck-all about the world they live in, and don't give a toss. But they do try to make a difference for their families.
If I knew a lot of goths then they'd probably rapidly start to irritate and then enrage me, but as I rarely encounter them I find them interesting. I have a seriously Christian friend who I find interesting, but if I had to meet his fellow congregants I'd probably end up throwing a bible at someone.
Heh, I find that strangely comforting. Perhaps you and I aren't so different after all.

:confused:

cause they're dirty and lazy...don't you know that?/sarcasm

it may just go back to the idea that people view hippies as the hippies of the 60's instead of seeing them as a group of people that is influenced by time just as all other groups are.

I have hippie friends but when it comes to having to deal with life issues, I ask for someone else's opinion.

In the past I've asked them and been sorely disappointed. I came to the conclusion that they tend to not give a fuck which is really the whole point in being a hippie.

Drum circles make me homicidal so I always decline the invite.

But I do love getting down with hippie chicks and they have ended more than a few of my dry spells. May the Goddess bless their kind souls for that.

I've been broke a few times and my hippie friends were always willing to share what food they had. And for that I gladly took them shopping for food when I had the cash and that's all that they asked of me. Someday, just give back.

So I don't hate hippies. They do annoy me when they try to explain the world to me with their dippy melange of philosophies. But when it's all said and done the world is a better place for them I think. Just don't try to get them to do anything important.

I object to that. I dont like hippies cos they're pacifists and seem to look down on non-hippies.

How can you hate a pacifist? Do you enjoy warfare and seeing people get killed?

I know why people hate hippies, and it's got nothing to do with peace, love, understanding or any of the other buzzwords associated with hippies. It's all about - reeking.

Basically, they smell. They smell bad. That cloying stench of post-adolescent armpits that have never had deodorant rubbed on them, intermingled with the ham-handed bruteforce odour of patchouli, with a dash of marijuana resin thrown in to flavour... that's why people hate hippies.

Take a bath, hippies.

:confused:

Well, A. I didn't realize anyone hated hippies anymore.
And B. I didn't realize that there even were any hippies anymore.

From working at Trader Joes, I have had to deal with many hippies. Most of the new ones are self-rightous assholes, especially the one I had to work under.

"hate" is too strong a word.

Main reasons I disagree with hippies today (specifically, anti-Iraq-freedom hippies):

a)Protesting the war harms the morale of troops who are over there trying to help people. When the US is behind the war effort, the war effort is strong. When some USians bitch about it, things historically don't go as well (Vietnam). So it's sort of a "get on our team" gripe -- quit bitching about the war and support the US effort.

b)The United States is in the process of helping Iraq become a democratic country. this is a good thing. I think it was woodrow wilson (guess #2: truman) who said we should fight to keep the world safe for democracy. That's what we're doing in Iraq. We are on the side of freedom. The insurgents, conversely, wish to keep oppressing the majority Shi'a and the kurds.

Why do Americans always think they're so special and about the only country in the world that promotes democracy?

And you must be quite naive if you still think this war was about "freedom". It's not the protests that harm the troops' morale, it's the realisation that they go there and get killed over oil, and over the greed of some big chairs.

Why do Americans always think they're so special and about the only country in the world that promotes democracy?

Because we are, on both counts. ;)

Because we are, on both counts. ;)
*vomits*

Because we are, on both counts. ;)

And what makes you think that?

'cos they smell?

'cos they smell?
Definitely. I said as much before. Smelly hippies need to take a bath and quit with the patchouli oil already.

Piu.

HIPPIES?!!

Wheres a shotgun when you need one?

Last Sunday I attended the Chet Helms memorial "tribal stomp" in Golden Gate Park, a tribute to the 'King of the Hippies' who passed away last June. The Mayor of S.F., Gavin Newsome even proclaimed that day "Chet Helms Day". From that experiance I say this...

Hate us all you want... we got enough love to counter that and then some.

How can you hate a pacifist? Do you enjoy warfare and seeing people get killed?
Myabe he just means he hates people who would say "I for one welcome our new [insert name of evil group] overlords" and give them a flower.

Heh, I find that strangely comforting. Perhaps you and I aren't so different after all.
*organises hippie-style love-in (in some semi-ironic fashion)*

People hate hippies because they don't stand for shit anymore.

They used to. I didn't agree with them then, but they at least had something in mind.

Not these guys.

My town hosts something called "Hippie Fest"... Look it up online, it's called Sunshine Daydream. It's the most worthless event ever. A bunch of politically rebellious conservative's kids come to get high. That's it.:sniper:

And what makes you think that?

Actually, I just said that to get your goat. ;)

Although, come to think of it, Americans really ARE special, aren't we? :p