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I'm doing something wrong here. I'm a heterosexual 15-year old male, who has yet to have a girlfriend. Sure, I've had a couple experiences with girls, but they were more traumatic than awesome. One with a whore taking a month complimenting my looks and then suddenly asking me out, and then with a perverted girl who kept grabbing my ass...that perverted girl wasn't that bad a looker...but not my thing.

Anyway, now this gay guy likes me in school. He's not your average gay. He's the most popular gay in my school of 4,200 students. Around 70-80% of all girls in my grade know who this guy is. Not only that, but he's quite perverted.

Here are some quotes I've learned he's been saying:
"Kevin.....oh.....KEVIN...KEVIN....OHHHH!"
"I so want to do Kevin!"

And what I've heard from my own ears when he didn't know I was within earshot?

"Give me two minutes alone with him, those would be the best two minutes of my life."

Apparently, this guy thinks I'm his soulmate, and he thinks I act gay too. Of course, my friend (female) tried to tell him I'm not gay. That conversation went a little something like this:
Friend: Yeah, He's probably not gay.
Gay: Probably not? There's still a chance!

So tell me NS...WTF? I can get a guy but not a girl?

Should have picked the ass grabber.

Should have picked the ass grabber.
Second.

Should have picked the ass grabber.
I suppose, but today she's weirder than she used to be. Hell, she reminds me of non-conformists and pessimists here at NS.

He's not your average gay. He's the most popular gay in my school of 4,200 students.
is he the most popular gay in the village?

sorry, british joke. ;) (even though i never really liked that show)




my advice: get a t-shirt with "NOT GAY" in big capital letters on the front, and wear it every day for a month or so. sublety is usually the best way i find ;)

I suppose, but today she's weirder than she used to be. Hell, she reminds me of non-conformists and pessimists here at NS.

So? Hit that shit, man.

So? Hit that shit, man.
You don't know how badly I want to hit people that remind me of certain NSers. ;)

oh just enjoy the attention. its no big deal and if some girls think you really ARE gay, they might just decide they are the ones to "convert" you.

and if you want a girl, quit waiting for her to make the moves. if you want to date you gotta start asking girls out.

You don't know how badly I want to hit people that remind me of certain NSers. ;)

Heh. Perhaps I should rephrase.

Put your penis in her vagina.

Put your penis in her vagina.
gotta love the subtle approach.

So tell me NS...WTF? I can get a guy but not a girl?

I know the feeling. Give it time, and content yourself with masturbation and internet porn for now.

So tell me NS...WTF? I can get a guy but not a girl?

Yeah, welcome to my world. I get hit on by guys ten times as much as I do by women. I don't know what it is either.

non-conformists

Non-comformity is a bad thing? Ewwww, you want an average chick, specifically? Mediocre? Status quo?

Dream up, Colodia. And if you were a tad less anal retentative about sex (ass grabbing doesn't make you a slut), you might have a chance, dude.
Perhaps people think you're gay because it's completely (and ironically, for a comformist like yourself) ABNORMAL for a guy your age to be so bothered by a li'l gladhanding.

Relax, and go with the flow. I'm hardly one of the hippies here, so trust me. You're pruding yourself outta the race, man.

Non-comformity is a bad thing? Ewwww, you want an average chick, specifically? Mediocre? Status quo?

Dream up, Colodia. And if you were a tad less anal retentative about sex (ass grabbing doesn't make you a slut), you might have a chance, dude.
Perhaps people think you're gay because it's completely (and ironically, for a comformist like yourself) ABNORMAL for a guy your age to be so bothered by a li'l gladhanding.

Relax, and go with the flow. I'm hardly one of the hippies here, so trust me. You're pruding yourself outta the race, man.
Kinda scary that that's the one word you looked to.

Anyway, I meant that in our usual conversations, she sucks the life right out of me when she talks about depressing things about how she hates society now and she just wants to run away and join the marines to get away from it all. Not exactly non-conformist, but whatever.

that's nothing, my friend had to beat the shit out of a gay guy at my school because he kept telling people he gave him a bj.that was so weird,I felt like he was hitting a chick

Oh my..

So um.. *cough*.. What do you look like anyway? :eek: :p

that's nothing, my friend had to beat the shit out of a gay guy at my school because he kept telling people he gave him a bj.that was so weird,I felt like he was hitting a chick

That was an absolutely marvellously mature way of dealing with that.

Kinda scary that that's the one word you looked to.

Anyway, I meant that in our usual conversations, she sucks the life right out of me when she talks about depressing things about how she hates society now and she just wants to run away and join the marines to get away from it all. Not exactly non-conformist, but whatever.
Yeah, okay. She bothers you, no biggie.

But don't you find a pattern of thinking that may indicate to others that:
1. You're a homo.
2. You're a prude who's uninterested in advances.

Either scenario will leave you pussyless come Friday night. My point wasn't about comformity, it was about you loosening up and becomeing less anal, judgemental and rigid. Those three factors aren't the sexiest to most women.

Oh my..

So um.. *cough*.. What do you look like anyway? :eek: :p

My dog just brought me the hose. I think I'll use it.

You could always become a monk if it really does seem like you'll be living a life of celibacy anyway :D It's always better to do these things through choice.

That was an absolutely marvellously mature way of dealing with that.

my friends aren't exactly "thinkers" and besides the guys an asshole (yeah,I made a funny) he only pretends to be gay to get attention

I think he wants a girlfriend, not something to bang!

By what I see, you have friends who are girls, you just need to commit yourself to one of them. Its your turn to make a move.

You could always become a monk if it really does seem like you'll be living a life of celibacy anyway :D It's always better to do these things through choice.
School computer told me to be a priest anyway. :eek:

It's all coming together.

my friends aren't exactly "thinkers" and besides the guys an asshole (yeah,I made a funny) he only pretends to be gay to get attention
Have a seat please, and don't post until you can tell us what you've said to deserve this.

http://www.ameshistoricalsociety.org/images/hoggatt6.jpg

School computer told me to be a priest anyway. :eek:

It's all coming together.

See? It's a sign from God :D

Maybe you should complain about it, while a certain 17 year old hadn't even gotten further than that until last saturday(and only barely further then). The only two girls who were ever interested in me... put nicely, probably weighed more than me and my brother combined. I've been in love with two girls(well, one currently, but she has a boyfriend, and I doubt she is interested in me anyways...), nothing has come out of it.

Hell, I wish a popular gay guy would go after me, at least I would know I wasn't the ugliest fucker in the school.

Either scenario will leave you pussyless come Friday night.

Is that a real word?

I think he wants a girlfriend, not something to bang!

By what I see, you have friends who are girls, you just need to commit yourself to one of them. Its your turn to make a move.

Then, I think there is a good chance he is gay.

15 years old, and denying ladder theory? There really is something wrong with them.

Then, I think there is a good chance he is gay.

15 years old, and denying ladder theory? There really is something wrong with them.
Oh that goddamn ladder theory. It has so screwed me over. Try it out with one friend, make 5 enemies overnight. Girls are scary how they are not individuals, but a giant network.

my friends aren't exactly "thinkers" and besides the guys an asshole (yeah,I made a funny) he only pretends to be gay to get attention

Well, saying that you had sex with someone when you didn't technically qualifies as slander, which is probably illegal where you live to some degree. Depending on severity.

The correct choice of action would have been informing a teacher and getting them to deal with it, maybe forcing him to publicly retract what he had been saying. By beating him up, your friend left himself open to a nasty lawsuit for assault, especially considering the motivation would have come across as because the other kid was gay.

Is that a real word?
Not in my dictionary, but then again I manage to score at least once in a great while. :D

Oh that goddamn ladder theory. It has so screwed me over. Try it out with one friend, make 5 enemies overnight. Girls are scary how they are not individuals, but a giant network.

You obviously aren't doing it right.

What the hell is the ladder theory?

What the hell is the ladder theory?

It stipulates that a guy cannot be friends with a woman without wanting to have sex with them.

What the hell is the ladder theory?
Check it out here (http://www.laddertheory.com/), Sdaeriji.

It stipulates that a guy cannot be friends with a woman without wanting to have sex with them.

Untrue.,

He can, if one of the following occur:

1) He has a woman higher up the ladder
2) He finds the woman unattractive
3) He is homosexual

EDIT: Better link, without adds http://www.intellectualwhores.com/masterladder.html

Check it out here (http://www.laddertheory.com/), Sdaeriji.

Hmm.

Interesting.

Well, saying that you had sex with someone when you didn't technically qualifies as slander, which is probably illegal where you live to some degree. Depending on severity.

The correct choice of action would have been informing a teacher and getting them to deal with it, maybe forcing him to publicly retract what he had been saying. By beating him up, your friend left himself open to a nasty lawsuit for assault, especially considering the motivation would have come across as because the other kid was gay.

that just would've been hard as hell to explain to 74 year old mister boyle.and my friends never really consider legal consequences of anything
(great friends huh)

Untrue.,

He can, if one of the following occur:

1) He has a woman higher up the ladder
2) He finds the woman unattractive
3) He is homosexual

1) Which is stupid. My "ladder" is all over the place, then. I am friends with women who are attractive, but on an emotional level, I would never want to be in a relationship with them. Thus, I do not want to have sex with them, and (if sober :p) would turn down the chance to if offered.

2) Sally: So you're saying that a man can be friends with a woman he finds unattractive.
Harry: No, you pretty much want to nail them, too.

Hmm?

3) Well, yeah, that's a gimme.

1) Which is stupid. My "ladder" is all over the place, then. I am friends with women who are attractive, but on an emotional level, I would never want to be in a relationship with them. Thus, I do not want to have sex with them, and (if sober :p) would turn down the chance to if offered.

2)

Hmm?

3) Well, yeah, that's a gimme.

1) You might want to think about number three for this one. Or you are simply fooling yourself. EDIT: Your ladder isnt all over the place. You just don't know its organization. Honestly, there are girls that are higher and lower on it for you, whether or not you can consciously figure out their places. I would have trouble doing so too.

2) The three are only times when they can be friends, not will be friends. Its complicated, but I can relate. There are girls I would have sex with, especially when drunk or high, though they are repulsive, and I don't really want to have sex with them.

3. Well, it had to be mentioned, or someone would have brought it up.

1) You might want to think about number three for this one. Or you are simply fooling yourself. EDIT: Your ladder isnt all over the place. You just don't know its organization. Honestly, there are girls that are higher and lower on it for you, whether or not you can consciously figure out their places. I would have trouble doing so too.

I'm not gay. I just don't want a relationship without emotional attachment, or where said emotional attachment is going to be especially problematic and cause a lot of personal issues. (ie. when the girl is insane.) This is regardless of their physical appearance.

It's pretty obvious that there are women that I want to have sex with more than others. I can't deny that. However - that doesn't automatically mean that I want to have sex with all women. There are some that aren't even on the ladder, for the above reasons. Therefore, i would not have sex with them.

2) The three are only times when they can be friends, not will be friends. Its complicated, but I can relate. There are girls I would have sex with, especially when drunk or high, though they are repulsive, and I don't really want to have sex with them.

I'm not sure on this one. Even if drunk or high, which is admittedly what would get me to ignore the emotional factors (though I don't quite think that going in for a quick shag really reflects any evidence that I would have kept their friendship just for sexual purposes), there are some women I wouldn't have sex with no matter what.

3. Well, it had to be mentioned, or someone would have brought it up.

I guess.

Nice to know people are such simple creatures that there's one simple theory to describe them all..

1) You might want to think about number three for this one. Or you are simply fooling yourself. EDIT: Your ladder isnt all over the place. You just don't know its organization. Honestly, there are girls that are higher and lower on it for you, whether or not you can consciously figure out their places. I would have trouble doing so too.

2) The three are only times when they can be friends, not will be friends. Its complicated, but I can relate. There are girls I would have sex with, especially when drunk or high, though they are repulsive, and I don't really want to have sex with them.

3. Well, it had to be mentioned, or someone would have brought it up.

So, to some degree, you want to nail your mom? Your sister? Your grandmother?

So, to some degree, you want to nail your mom? Your sister? Your grandmother?
http://www.culturanuova.net/filosofia/ritratti/freud.jpg

"Ja, zis is exactly vhat i am sayink."

So, to some degree, you want to nail your mom? Your sister? Your grandmother?


lol ever heard of Freud?

lol ever heard of Freud?

Aye. But I am trying to back him into admitting he wants to plow his mom, since that's not something one is usually willing to admit.

So, to some degree, you want to nail your mom? Your sister? Your grandmother?No, he just can't be friends with them either.. :P

No, he just can't be friends with them either.. :P

Well, what is the reason he can't be friends with them? :D

It is kinda sick though, i cant think of my dad in that way ewww

Aye. But I am trying to back him into admitting he wants to plow his mom, since that's not something one is usually willing to admit.

Genius, if I say so myself. :)

It is kinda sick though, i cant think of my dad in that way ewww

Well, then let this be a lesson to you. Never get into an argument with me, because I will quickly make you regret it. :D

Well, then let this be a lesson to you. Never get into an argument with me, because I will quickly make you regret it. :D

I regret it, and I'm just watching.

Zis eez interezting.

i must say that your situation is hillarious, however I'm only one year away from this sort of thing. in fact less than that, about 4 months away actually, so to avoid being like you i need to get a girlfriend in the next few months, and start making it clearly obvious i'm not gay by going on anti-gay rallys. that way, i should avoid your situation completely. :) thanks for the advise about what happens when you turn 15 ;)

I'm not gay. I just don't want a relationship without emotional attachment, or where said emotional attachment is going to be especially problematic and cause a lot of personal issues. (ie. when the girl is insane.) This is regardless of their physical appearance.

It's pretty obvious that there are women that I want to have sex with more than others. I can't deny that. However - that doesn't automatically mean that I want to have sex with all women. There are some that aren't even on the ladder, for the above reasons. Therefore, i would not have sex with them.



I'm not sure on this one. Even if drunk or high, which is admittedly what would get me to ignore the emotional factors (though I don't quite think that going in for a quick shag really reflects any evidence that I would have kept their friendship just for sexual purposes), there are some women I wouldn't have sex with no matter what.



I guess.

You aren't bringing up anything that the very popular ladder theory hasn't stood up to before. I don't know you, but forgetting the likely that you are just denying yourself, its possible that you don't feel they will put out(as a result of complication, etc), or whatnot. But if these women are attractive, and you don't think you can do better than them, you would have sex with them if they offered it, no strings attatched. You are lying to yourself otherwise.

Ladder theory doesn't say you want to fuck all women. It says potentially, you want to screw most. If you have, or think you can do, better, then you don't actively want to screw others lower on the ladder. Discussions about 1 or two ladders is pointless, because the ladders are metaphors. However, it goes back the the point: No strings attached, if it would have no effect on anything that normally would happen, you would want to have sex with these girls you supposedly care too much about.

I agree with you on your third point. There are a few girls I can think of that I wouldn't touch, period. While I can't say for a fact I wouldn't, all possible thoughts of mine tell me I wouldn't. It would just be too horribly gross. This does not refute ladder theory, though. Again, LT doesn't say you want to screw all girls.

It is kinda sick though, i cant think of my dad in that way ewww
Picture this..

Your dad walks into the room wearing nipple clamps and leather chaps, while you're strapped to the bed with a gag in your mouth.

But wait! That's not all! Guess whats in his hand!

..

:p

So, to some degree, you want to nail your mom? Your sister? Your grandmother?

No, because I find them all too unattractive to have sex with. Even if one was a supermodel, that wouldn't make them attractive enough.

Nice try tho.

Well, then let this be a lesson to you. Never get into an argument with me, because I will quickly make you regret it. :D

omg i cant get that out of my head now. This is so bad, im gonna need therapy:(

Picture this..

Your dad walks into the room wearing nipple clamps and leather chaps, while you're strapped to the bed with a gag in your mouth.

But wait! That's not all! Guess whats in his hand!

..

:p

Let me just say
EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
omg im gonna have nightmares now

No, because I find them all too unattractive to have sex with. Even if one was a supermodel, that wouldn't make them attractive enough.

Nice try tho.

That's not part of the ladder theory as I'm reading it. It states that all men want to have sex with all women to some degree, and it just ends up being a matter of how much you want to have sex with any given woman, and whether better alternatives exist. The fact that you probably rank your mom at the very bottom of the ladder does not change the fact that there is still that minute desire to nail her, and if absolutely no better alternatives existed, you'd drill her.

However, it goes back the the point: No strings attached, if it would have no effect on anything that normally would happen, you would want to have sex with these girls you supposedly care too much about.If it had absolutely no effect, there would be no point; if only to remember it. But simply remembering it can spoil the image.
And if you actually love the image to much to spoil it, voila..

omg i cant get that out of my head now. This is so bad, im gonna need therapy:(

Is it okay if I think of it?

And to make this post as creepy as it possibly can, I will follow with this question:

How old are you?

there's a gay kid in my school who wants to "bend" me too

I say punch him if he says anything gay about you and go to a nightclub or something I always meet women there (remember that pick up line that was on here "does this smell like chloroform to you":D….has worked……not in that way)

18 or at least i will be in a few weeks

why?

18 or at least i will be in a few weeks

why?

Because it's been my observation that younger people can't handle sexual jokes of this nature.

I've never been in this situation, so I can't give any good advice. The only thing I guess I can give is probably talk to him to stop it, or ignore it.

That's not part of the ladder theory as I'm reading it. It states that all men want to have sex with all women to some degree, and it just ends up being a matter of how much you want to have sex with any given woman, and whether better alternatives exist. The fact that you probably rank your mom at the very bottom of the ladder does not change the fact that there is still that minute desire to nail her, and if absolutely no better alternatives existed, you'd drill her.

You misunderstand ladder theory. There are three times when males may not want to have sex with women.

1. The guy is gay
2. The guy does not find you attractive.
3. The guy already has a woman much higher than you on the ladder

If the guy does not find the woman unattractive, there are cases when he will not want to have sex with certain women. This happens, at least with me, with relatives and certain hideous women.

A few choice quotes:

"Despite the common misconception that males are out to fuck anything that moves(although they might be out to fuck anything really HOT that moves)..."

"Yes you COULD say that guys who women won't fuck are way down on their only ladder and you COULD say that guys have a separate ladder for women they wouldn't fuck.

The point of saying women have two ladders and men have 1 ladder is to illustrate the fundamental difference in outlook between men and women. The point is that for men, there is a ranking that takes place based on the pie charts and women get put on the ladder and that's it. How much do I want to fuck her is the fundamental unit of a man's thought. "

Because it's been my observation that younger people can't handle sexual jokes of this nature.


i was half joking in all my posts:p

If it had absolutely no effect, there would be no point; if only to remember it. But simply remembering it can spoil the image.
And if you actually love the image to much to spoil it, voila..

There's the whole having, and enjoying sex part...

there's a gay kid in my school who wants to "bend" me too

I say punch him if he says anything gay about you
wow... You're... one of the loser rednecks in school, yes?

18 or at least i will be in a few weeks

why?

I would recommend, as a female, that you never say, on a board dominated by males, that you will be 18 in a few weeks. Lots of stupid males who will go berserk.

1. The guy is gay
2. The guy does not find you attractive.
3. The guy already has a woman much higher than you on the ladder

I fail to see these three qualifications on the site. And either way, if it is possible for a man to find a woman unattractive enough to not want to have sex with them, then how is Kanabia's claim that there are women he doesn't want to sleep with false?

I would recommend, as a female, that you never say, on a board dominated by males, that you will be 18 in a few weeks. Lots of stupid males who will go berserk.

Oh yeah, I forgot....

*goes berserk*

I would recommend, as a female, that you never say, on a board dominated by males, that you will be 18 in a few weeks. Lots of stupid males who will go berserk.

legal age is 16 here :p
not suggesting anything though....

I fail to see these three qualifications on the site. And either way, if it is possible for a man to find a woman unattractive enough to not want to have sex with them, then how is Kanabia's claim that there are women he doesn't want to sleep with false?

Its under "Yes Virginia, They All Want to Bang You". Direct linkage: http://www.intellectualwhores.com/virginia.html

Kanabia, as far as I can tell at least, is stating these women aren't unattractive, but simply too good friends for him to want to have sex with them.

How much do I want to fuck her is the fundamental unit of a man's thought. "I guess that's why I still consider myself a boy more than a man :P

Its under "Yes Virginia, They All Want to Bang You". Direct linkage: http://www.intellectualwhores.com/virginia.html

Kanabia, as far as I can tell at least, is stating these women aren't unattractive, but simply too good friends for him to want to have sex with them.

So that creates the claim that all attraction/lack of attraction is based solely on appearance. And if so, then it must be admitted that there is at least some physical attractiveness to your mom. Otherwise, Kanabia can easily claim that the reason he doesn't want to nail all his hot female friends is because he finds them emotionally or mentally unattractive.

So that creates the claim that all attraction/lack of attraction is based solely on appearance.

No. In "Foundations", you can see attraction is 60% looks, 30% likelihood to put out, and 10% other, which I attribute things like being related to them, etc in.

there is still that minute desire to nail her, and if absolutely no better alternatives existed, you'd drill her.

This is an example of someone assuming others think like they do. It's most noticable in autistics, but still exists to some extent in the rest of the populace.

This is an example of someone assuming others think like they do. It's most noticable in autistics, but still exists to some extent in the rest of the populace.

It's not my claim that all men want to nail all women to some degree. It's that stupid ladder's claim. Call me devil's advocate.

It's not my claim that all men want to nail all women to some degree. It's that stupid ladder's claim. Call me devil's advocate.

But its not the ladder's claim, its your bad assumptions of what the ladder claims. If you really want the question answered, go to the www.intellectualwhores.com forum, they can answer your quite-often thought of disputations of the theory much better than I, a simple disciple of the theory, may.

I'm doing something wrong here. I'm a heterosexual 15-year old male, who has yet to have a girlfriend. Sure, I've had a couple experiences with girls, but they were more traumatic than awesome. One with a whore taking a month complimenting my looks and then suddenly asking me out, and then with a perverted girl who kept grabbing my ass...that perverted girl wasn't that bad a looker...but not my thing.

Anyway, now this gay guy likes me in school. He's not your average gay. He's the most popular gay in my school of 4,200 students. Around 70-80% of all girls in my grade know who this guy is. Not only that, but he's quite perverted.

Here are some quotes I've learned he's been saying:
"Kevin.....oh.....KEVIN...KEVIN....OHHHH!"
"I so want to do Kevin!"

And what I've heard from my own ears when he didn't know I was within earshot?

"Give me two minutes alone with him, those would be the best two minutes of my life."

Apparently, this guy thinks I'm his soulmate, and he thinks I act gay too. Of course, my friend (female) tried to tell him I'm not gay. That conversation went a little something like this:
Friend: Yeah, He's probably not gay.
Gay: Probably not? There's still a chance!

So tell me NS...WTF? I can get a guy but not a girl?
Clue: stop looking for the "perfect" girl, be a bit more accepting, and try being the best person you can be. In short, concentrate on being the best YOU you can be and people will notice.

But its not the ladder's claim, its your bad assumptions of what the ladder claims. If you really want the question answered, go to the www.intellectualwhores.com forum, they can answer your quite-often thought of disputations of the theory much better than I, a simple disciple of the theory, may.

That little when Harry met Sally exchange in the very beginning of the "theory" states exactly that.

Clue: stop looking for the "perfect" girl, be a bit more accepting, and try being the best person you can be. In short, concentrate on being the best YOU you can be and people will notice.

this is true, there is no perfect out there and lots of people have to lower frankly unrealistic standards if they wan to find someone to be with

Clue: stop looking for the "perfect" girl, be a bit more accepting, and try being the best person you can be. In short, concentrate on being the best YOU you can be and people will notice.

Unless you being the best you can be can only be just a normal dude, that is.

this is true, there is no perfect out there and lots of people have to lower frankly unrealistic standards if they wan to find someone to be with

Well you can always die lonely. I guess it's not too bad.

Clue: stop looking for the "perfect" girl, be a bit more accepting, and try being the best person you can be. In short, concentrate on being the best YOU you can be and people will notice.
Well, I'm not looking for the perfect girl, I'm looking for a girl I'm comfortable with.

That little when Harry met Sally exchange in the very beginning of the "theory" states exactly that.

Do you mean this?

" Sally: So you're saying that a man can be friends with a woman he finds unattractive.
Harry: No, you pretty much want to nail them, too."

If you do, look at the bolded part. No where in the theory does it say men want to screw every woman. There are multiple times when they give conditionals. I am surprised you are having so much trouble understanding this, I thought you were quicker than that.

this is true, there is no perfect out there and lots of people have to lower frankly unrealistic standards if they wan to find someone to be with

I disagree. I have very high standards, especially since I usually get nothing, and I have found the perfect girl. I probably won't get with her, because there is so much ladder disparity, but I have found her nonetheless.

Do you mean this?

" Sally: So you're saying that a man can be friends with a woman he finds unattractive.
Harry: No, you pretty much want to nail them, too."

If you do, look at the bolded part. No where in the theory does it say men want to screw every woman. There are multiple times when they give conditionals. I am surprised you are having so much trouble understanding this, I thought you were quicker than that.

Ha, he makes a crack about my intelligence. Cute.

Unless you being the best you can be can only be just a normal dude, that is.
And the problem with this is???

Most women are just "normal women" who wind up with "normal dudes."

Ha, he makes a crack about my intelligence. Cute.

The opposite. I've found you so often to be quite intelligent, so I am surprised you are not getting the concept. It seems you are more concerned with being right in this case, that you won't accept your original claim didn't fly.

I disagree. I have very high standards, especially since I usually get nothing, and I have found the perfect girl. I probably won't get with her, because there is so much ladder disparity, but I have found her nonetheless.

How do you know if it will 'hold up' if youve never really been together? You dont really know what the relationship will be like even if she is 'perfect'

Well, I'm not looking for the perfect girl, I'm looking for a girl I'm comfortable with.
Define "comfortable."

How do you know if it will 'hold up' if youve never really been together? You dont really know what the relationship will be like even if she is 'perfect'

You're right, I don't know if it would hold up. But from my experiences with women, she really does seem to be the perfect woman. I've fooled myself before, I'm much more conscious now.

Define "comfortable."
Someone that's not loud and obnoxious.

Define "comfortable."One which you can actually sleep with? (like actual sleep, no really, like not awake.)

Someone that's not loud and obnoxious.At least not too often :P

The opposite. I've found you so often to be quite intelligent, so I am surprised you are not getting the concept. It seems you are more concerned with being right in this case, that you won't accept your original claim didn't fly.

I understand the concept just fine. I've seen it before. I never knew it had a name, but I've seen it before, and I find it to be utter bullshit. It's something angst-ridden teenage boys and 30something men who live with their parents buy into. Most guys, however, don't have some idealized thought of what women and relationships and sex should be.

You're right, I don't know if it would hold up. But from my experiences with women, she really does seem to be the perfect woman. I've fooled myself before, I'm much more conscious now.

Ive found that if you put too high a standard on someone, they are bound to let you down one way or another.

My advice is to punch the kid, then spit on him and say, "I'm not gay, asshole." Trust me, I've seen it, it works. But you gotta make sure you do it hard, really hard. The type that you don't want to get back up from. Sure, your popularity goes down the crapper for a month or two, but people forget.

Then, seconding others here, stop waiting and ask a chick out YOURSELF.

Or, you find out you don't like guys OR chicks, in which case you die alone and happy, never knowing how evil women can be to men. (No offense to our female population)

I understand the concept just fine. I've seen it before. I never knew it had a name, but I've seen it before, and I find it to be utter bullshit. It's something angst-ridden teenage boys and 30something men who live with their parents buy into. Most guys, however, don't have some idealized thought of what women and relationships and sex should be.

Feel what you want, I've yet to find any real counters to the theory that stood up to it. But if you really think you have something, I suggest posting on the forums. They are much more knowledgable about ladder theory than I.

Am I the only one who feels the need to suppress an urge to retch whenever I come across a thread that reads something like, "Why don't nice girls/guys like me?", or "I'm sixteen and I'll never get my end away".

Life is harsh, then you cope. Or don't, and crebe online about the shit deals Fate has in store for you.

Spin on.

Ive found that if you put too high a standard on someone, they are bound to let you down one way or another.

I've found this too, and normally would agree with you. However, completely by chance, I found this girl. I had no preconceptions about her, except that she seemed like she might be a cool person. I gave it a chance, and found the most perfect person I ever have.

And the problem with this is???

Most women are just "normal women" who wind up with "normal dudes."

You said try to best noticed. If you're trying to be noticed and you're a normal person, how can you be eccentrically noticed?

Someone that's not loud and obnoxious.
Believe me, I remember those years well.

Try to relax. You're fifteen, which is neither too young nor too old to really concern yourself with such things. Follow your instincts. If that doesn't work, follow your hormones. You're supposed to have sex with the wrong people. Despite what the catholic church believes, it's a healthy thing. Because it helps you figure out later who the right person is.
Hell, I didn't figure my sex life out til I was 26! I boinked some WRONG people, let me tell you! :p

Someone that's not loud and obnoxious.
Still a bit vague, IMHO. Can you be a bit more specific? Like give examples of what you consider to be "loud" and "obnoxious?"

Ive found that if you put too high a standard on someone, they are bound to let you down one way or another.

That's cool. But your expectations can switch alot, so they're fairly flexible expectations.

Feel what you want, I've yet to find any real counters to the theory that stood up to it. But if you really think you have something, I suggest posting on the forums. They are much more knowledgable about ladder theory than I.

There's nothing to be knowledgeable about. It's not a real theory in even the most loosely defined meaning of the word "Theory". It was created by a bunch of whiney guys who couldn't get laid because they were too afraid to be hurt that they never made a move, and then affirmed by even more whiney guys who couldn't get laid because they were too afraid to be hurt that they never made a move. Every time someone comes along and says that their situation doesn't follow their model, they shout them down as naive or ignorant, without any actual proof that those people aren't telling the truth.

Still a bit vague, IMHO. Can you be a bit more specific? Like give examples of what you consider to be "loud" and "obnoxious?"

How is that vague? Loud is loud and obnoxious is obnoxious.

Am I the only one who feels the need to suppress an urge to retch whenever I come across a thread that reads something like, "Why don't nice girls/guys like me?", or "I'm sixteen and I'll never get my end away".

Life is harsh, then you cope. Or don't, and crebe online about the shit deals Fate has in store for you.

Spin on.

Not at all. I completely agree.

Still a bit vague, IMHO. Can you be a bit more specific? Like give examples of what you consider to be "loud" and "obnoxious?"

I immediately thought of several women who fit that description to a tee.

Still a bit vague, IMHO. Can you be a bit more specific? Like give examples of what you consider to be "loud" and "obnoxious?"
Well...

- Making jokes out loud to the whole class, thinking she's the funniest person on Earth
- Preps
- Talking about other unreasonably people as if they are the perfect person to model after
- etc., I think you get the picture.

I mean, it's not much to ask for. Just for a nice person.

That's cool. But your expectations can switch alot, so they're fairly flexible expectations.

Im pretty flexible, i dont really ask for much i guess

Well...

- Making jokes out loud to the whole class, thinking she's the funniest person on Earth
- Preps
- Talking about other unreasonably people as if they are the perfect person to model after
- etc., I think you get the picture.

I mean, it's not much to ask for. Just for a nice person.

No, believe me, it really is. I'm 16, and after 5 years of secondary school, I've learnt most people really aren't nice. Except one girl, but that was my fault:(

There's nothing to be knowledgeable about. It's not a real theory in even the most loosely defined meaning of the word "Theory". It was created by a bunch of whiney guys who couldn't get laid because they were too afraid to be hurt that they never made a move, and then affirmed by even more whiney guys who couldn't get laid because they were too afraid to be hurt that they never made a move. Every time someone comes along and says that their situation doesn't follow their model, they shout them down as naive or ignorant, without any actual proof that those people aren't telling the truth.

Except the theory was written by one guy, who says he has gotten his fair share. Don't believe him, fine. But I don't think the hundreds/thousands of people who agree are all lying about how they do. Hell, my brother is prime example of someone who worships the theory, and gets plenty booty. It has nothing to do with being whiny, it has to do with observations on the way guys and girls interact.

Are you saying I am shouting you down as naive or ignorant? When have I done this? I have quoted the theory, and explained it to you, so you can see that your initial ideas of what the theory proclaimed were not what it was saying. I have yet to see more arguments against the theory, instead, you attack those who create the theory. I really just don't see where you are coming from, or why you seem to be getting passionate over this.

Except the theory was written by one guy, who says he has gotten his fair share. Don't believe him, fine. But I don't think the hundreds/thousands of people who agree are all lying about how they do. Hell, my brother is prime example of someone who worships the theory, and gets plenty booty. It has nothing to do with being whiny, it has to do with observations on the way guys and girls interact.

Are you saying I am shouting you down as naive or ignorant? When have I done this? I have quoted the theory, and explained it to you, so you can see that your initial ideas of what the theory proclaimed were not what it was saying. I have yet to see more arguments against the theory, instead, you attack those who create the theory. I really just don't see where you are coming from, or why you seem to be getting passionate over this.

What theory is this, and who wrote it? What are we "debating"?

Except the theory was written by one guy, who says he has gotten his fair share. Don't believe him, fine. But I don't think the hundreds/thousands of people who agree are all lying about how they do. Just because it works for them doesn't mean it works for those hundreds of thousands of people claiming it doesn't work for them..

Well...

- Making jokes out loud to the whole class, thinking she's the funniest person on Earth
- Preps
- Talking about other unreasonably people as if they are the perfect person to model after
- etc., I think you get the picture.

I mean, it's not much to ask for. Just for a nice person.

just a bit of advise for you from a 16 year old girl , popular girls are evil,stuck up and annoying ok maby not all of them, but most of them are. look at the "unpopular" girls...we're not as repulsive and lame as guys like to think we are

What theory is this, and who wrote it? What are we "debating"?

I dont believe the creator gives his name, though I havn't looked extensively. The theory is ladder theory.

just a bit of advise for you from a 16 year old girl , popular girls are evil,stuck up and annoying ok maby not all of them, but most of them are. look at the "unpopular" girls...we're not as repulsive and lame as guys like to think we are
That's exactly the type I go for. Though it's not like they are without their own evils too....I mean...geez they can be pretty hard on me.

I dont believe the creator gives his name, though I havn't looked extensively. The theory is ladder theory.

Fairly mysterious information, it may be then.

How is that vague? Loud is loud and obnoxious is obnoxious.
Not really. For example, "obnoxious" to me would be someone who picks their nose during dinner, makes rude noises at perfect strangers, chews gum with their mouth open, starts arguments over minor issues, etc. Not everyone would agree with what I see as obnoxious ... it's personal.

just a bit of advise for you from a 16 year old girl , popular girls are evil,stuck up and annoying ok maby not all of them, but most of them are. look at the "unpopular" girls...we're not as repulsive and lame as guys like to think we are

Firstly, we don't really, most blokes (no, sorry, my friends and I), look for character more than looks. Anyhow, the same kinda applies for "popular" blokes really, most of them are twats, although some are cool.

just a bit of advise for you from a 16 year old girl , popular girls are evil,stuck up and annoying ok maby not all of them, but most of them are. look at the "unpopular" girls...we're not as repulsive and lame as guys like to think we are
Exactly! And in addtion to all that, many of the "plain Janes" are simply what we use to call "late bloomers" who, like the ugly duckling, become very mature and attractive as they grow over time. I have never seen a grown woman about whom I could find nothing attractive. Guys, let's just face it ... until you become a bit more mature yourself, you really aren't qualified to say whether a young woman is truly "attractive" or not.

Firstly, we don't really, most blokes (no, sorry, my friends and I), look for character more than looks. Anyhow, the same kinda applies for "popular" blokes really, most of them are twats, although some are cool.I look for looks, but stay for character.
Of course, that doesn't say anything about the look I'm looking for, nor the character I'd like to find behind it..

I look for looks, but stay for character.
Of course, that doesn't say anything about the look I'm looking for, nor the character I'd like to find behind it..

Depends on how we meet really, could be either, or alcohol:D

I'm doing something wrong here. I'm a heterosexual 15-year old male, who has yet to have a girlfriend. Sure, I've had a couple experiences with girls, but they were more traumatic than awesome. One with a whore taking a month complimenting my looks and then suddenly asking me out, and then with a perverted girl who kept grabbing my ass...that perverted girl wasn't that bad a looker...but not my thing.

Anyway, now this gay guy likes me in school. He's not your average gay. He's the most popular gay in my school of 4,200 students. Around 70-80% of all girls in my grade know who this guy is. Not only that, but he's quite perverted.

Here are some quotes I've learned he's been saying:
"Kevin.....oh.....KEVIN...KEVIN....OHHHH!"
"I so want to do Kevin!"

And what I've heard from my own ears when he didn't know I was within earshot?

"Give me two minutes alone with him, those would be the best two minutes of my life."

Apparently, this guy thinks I'm his soulmate, and he thinks I act gay too. Of course, my friend (female) tried to tell him I'm not gay. That conversation went a little something like this:
Friend: Yeah, He's probably not gay.
Gay: Probably not? There's still a chance!

So tell me NS...WTF? I can get a guy but not a girl?
Because you refer to girls as whores or perverts maybe? And you're only 15...despite what the media tells you, you DON'T need to already have three long-term relationships under your belt.

So yeah...change the attitude towards girls. That might help.

That's exactly the type I go for. Though it's not like they are without their own evils too....I mean...geez they can be pretty hard on me. Enjoy the gay guy while you can.:)

Because you refer to girls as whores or perverts maybe? And you're only 15...despite what the media tells you, you DON'T need to already have three long-term relationships under your belt.

So yeah...change the attitude towards girls. That might help.
Yup! Hit that nail right on its widdle head, you did! :D

WHAT THE FUCK?

Your name is Kevin? :confused: :eek:

WHAT THE FUCK?

Your name is Kevin? :confused: :eek:I don't think that's worth so much amazements. It's not that uncommon a name is it?

I don't think that's worth so much amazements. It's not that uncommon a name is it?
Colodia doesn't seem like a Kevin to me.

And you're only 15...despite what the media tells you, you DON'T need to already have three long-term relationships under your belt.
Yes, speaking of WTF. Actually, none of the people mentioned in the original post sound like people I'd want to transfer fluid with. Particularly the original poster.

*sniff*

Why don't nice girls like me? Nice, repressed, chaste...

Why don't you dredge the local Kingdom Hall? That sounds about your speed, Colodia...

My advice to Colodia is take what you can get.

Why don't you dredge the local Kingdom Hall? That sounds about your speed, Colodia... What's a Kingdom Hall? Sounds like something to do with Dream Evil.

Colodia doesn't deserve the name Kevin… nobody does except Enfield's sketch.

What's a Kingdom Hall?
Google is your friend. Like Jesus, or something.

Colodia doesn't deserve the name Kevin… nobody does except Enfield's sketch.

Thats why I pity all people actually called Kevin, it jut brings up so many memories and quotes.:p

Google is your friend. Like Jesus, or something. Eh… don't see how Jehovah's Witnesses fit into whatever domination thing Dobbsworld was talking about…

Eh… don't see how Jehovah's Witnesses fit into whatever domination thing Dobbsworld was talking about…
*sighs*

Subtlety is not a beverage.

*sighs*

Subtlety is not a beverage. a] I don't drink and neither do I ever use the word beverage… both literally and figuratively.;)
b] I know nothing about JWs except that they preach from door to door. So excuse my ignorance.

*sighs*

Subtlety is not a beverage.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/features/dailyimages/010604martini.jpg
Is to.

*sighs*

Subtlety is not a beverage.Well, not only a beverage..

Dude, you're fifteen fucking years old. I'm almost 18, and I've never even talked with any women my age (unless you consider one partial MSN convo and forum posts "talking").

Big whoop. Grow some balls and change your preppy attitude, because that's exactly what it is.

Dude, you're fifteen fucking years old. I'm almost 18, and I've never even talked with any women my age (unless you consider one partial MSN convo and forum posts "talking").

Big whoop. Grow some balls and change your preppy attitude, because that's exactly what it is.

Jealous sweetie?

Just try, or go on adult friend finder:p

Dude, you're fifteen fucking years old. I'm almost 18, and I've never even talked with any women my age (unless you consider one partial MSN convo and forum posts "talking").Ooh, ooh, I'm already 25, and still haven't had a girlfriend, I'm so much more pathetic than both of you ! :P
Who bids more?

Ooh, ooh, I'm already 25, and still haven't had a girlfriend, I'm so much more pathetic than both of you ! :P
Who bids more?

Pathetic? :p

I really couldn't care less!

Dude, you're fifteen fucking years old. I'm almost 18, and I've never even talked with any women my age (unless you consider one partial MSN convo and forum posts "talking").

Big whoop. Grow some balls and change your preppy attitude, because that's exactly what it is.
Is that out of lack of want or lack of willing females? ;)

Is that out of lack of want or lack of willing females? ;)

Lack of want, and lack of me knowing nobody whatsoever and being home schooled. :p

Oh, there are plenty of willing women here... I get stared at when I'm at the super market (oh god, is that ever embarrassing), and I get screamed at when I'm out riding my bike. It's funny when that happens, actually!

Lack of want, and lack of me knowing nobody whatsoever and being home schooled. :p

Oh, there are plenty of willing women here... I get stared at when I'm at the super market (oh god, is that ever embarrassing), and I get screamed at when I'm out riding my bike. It's funny when that happens, actually!
Do they yell, "COMMIE, COMMIE!"!!!?!"!

My view is that your hand will never leave you for another.

Sorry bub, but your mom doesn't count. : D [/kid]

My view is that your hand will never leave you for another.

Hahaha.

And, no, it won't. I made sure of that earlier this year... The bastard paid with horrible scars and a gaping hole. :p

Do they yell, "COMMIE, COMMIE!"!!!?!"!

Nah, but I'm guessing they scream at me because I have long, thick, flowing hair. Oh, and my looks help, too.

Hahaha.

And, no, it won't. I made sure of that earlier this year... The bastard paid with horrible scars and a gaping hole. :p
:eek:

My view is that your hand will never leave you for another.
Not so fast, Chicken Marengo...

:eek:

I kid, I kid. But, the accident really did happen. I got *pissed* at my dad one day when I was doing the dishes (yelling at me for the way I talk, no less). I slammed a mason jar in a sink full of water, and little did I know that another mason jar was already there. Well, both jars shattered, and one of the shards made a gaping hold in my right hand, on the underside near the thumb. There's a second, less serious scar near my index finger, which is also on the underside.

Good times.

Nah, but I'm guessing they scream at me because I have long, thick, flowing hair. Oh, and my looks help, too.

it ight be the smell, do you wash often?:p

it ight be the smell, do you wash often?:p

Always, dude! Fructis shampoo (and any number of antibacterial soaps for body wash). I love the smell of that stuff.

And yes, I wear deodorant (right guard gel, dude). People who don't are just... Well, I really can't say. They have problems, that's for sure.

Sweet, my thread has evolved into a "Who is the most pathetic poster?" competition.

Let's all place our bets.

EDIT: No wait, the post above me is talking about shampoo. Are we talking about what type of shampoo we like best now?

Not so fast, Chicken Marengo...
I'm gonna eat you little chicky...

Yes, speaking of WTF. Actually, none of the people mentioned in the original post sound like people I'd want to transfer fluid with. Particularly the original poster.

*sniff*

Why don't nice girls like me? Nice, repressed, chaste...

Why don't you dredge the local Kingdom Hall? That sounds about your speed, Colodia...
Nice impression, but that's not what I was sniffing about.

I was going "wtf" about why a gay guy likes me, but not a bloody girl. It doesn't really add up.

And really, if you said anything close to wanting to transfer fluids with me, it would not only be quite sick, but quite illegal.

Second.
I third it. Motion passed.

I would recommend, as a female, that you never say, on a board dominated by males, that you will be 18 in a few weeks. Lots of stupid males who will go berserk.

You're funny. There are no girls on the internet. :rolleyes:

:p

Dude, you're fifteen fucking years old. I'm almost 18, and I've never even talked with any women my age (unless you consider one partial MSN convo and forum posts "talking").

Big whoop. Grow some balls and change your preppy attitude, because that's exactly what it is.

lol, im almost 18 same situation as you only im female :p i hardly talk to guys my age but theyre a bit pathetic where im from

Sweet, my thread has evolved into a "Who is the most pathetic poster?" competition.

Let's all place our bets.

EDIT: No wait, the post above me is talking about shampoo. Are we talking about what type of shampoo we like best now?
pantene pro V owns all shampoos

but i think i'm in for a shot with that other competition. go me.

I'm doing something wrong here. I'm a heterosexual 15-year old male, who has yet to have a girlfriend. Sure, I've had a couple experiences with girls, but they were more traumatic than awesome. One with a whore taking a month complimenting my looks and then suddenly asking me out, and then with a perverted girl who kept grabbing my ass...that perverted girl wasn't that bad a looker...but not my thing.

Anyway, now this gay guy likes me in school. He's not your average gay. He's the most popular gay in my school of 4,200 students. Around 70-80% of all girls in my grade know who this guy is. Not only that, but he's quite perverted.

Here are some quotes I've learned he's been saying:
"Kevin.....oh.....KEVIN...KEVIN....OHHHH!"
"I so want to do Kevin!"

And what I've heard from my own ears when he didn't know I was within earshot?

"Give me two minutes alone with him, those would be the best two minutes of my life."

Apparently, this guy thinks I'm his soulmate, and he thinks I act gay too. Of course, my friend (female) tried to tell him I'm not gay. That conversation went a little something like this:
Friend: Yeah, He's probably not gay.
Gay: Probably not? There's still a chance!

So tell me NS...WTF? I can get a guy but not a girl?


Simple solution:

1. In front of a large number of other students, tell the gay guy that you are not gay, and that even if you were, and the continuation of homosexuality in the world depended on you having sex with him, you would rather have sex with David Hasselhof before you would touch him. Say loudly that in no uncertain terms, you view the idea of sex with him the way you would view eating your lunch off the naked back of a leper.

2. Go back and get that assgrabbing girl. And get busy.

So tell me NS...WTF? I can get a guy but not a girl?You said you could get two girls. Of course, neither of them are girls you want, but unless this guy is someone that you do want, I don't see the differentiation here.

I have to agree with many of the posters here, for whatever reason women (or just people) seem to like outgoing, confident people. If you're neither outgoing or confident, fake it.

and start making it clearly obvious i'm not gay by going on anti-gay rallys.Hate to break it to you, but lots of people who attend those rallies are gay but don't want to admit it to themselves, so they go the opposite direction and try to be anti-gay.

The point of saying women have two ladders and men have 1 ladder is to illustrate the fundamental difference in outlook between men and women.What are the two ladders that women have?

No. In "Foundations", you can see attraction is 60% looks, 30% likelihood to put out, and 10% other, which I attribute things like being related to them, etc in.Does this mean someone with a highly attractive slutty relative finds that relative 90% fuckable?

Am I the only one who feels the need to suppress an urge to retch whenever I come across a thread that reads something like, "Why don't nice girls/guys like me?", or "I'm sixteen and I'll never get my end away".

Life is harsh, then you cope. Or don't, and crebe online about the shit deals Fate has in store for you.

Spin on.Unfortunately, no, you're not the only one.

You're supposed to have sex with the wrong people. Despite what the catholic church believes, it's a healthy thing. Because it helps you figure out later who the right person is.
Hell, I didn't figure my sex life out til I was 26! I boinked some WRONG people, let me tell you!I have to agree. I had sex with a lot of the wrong people and learned lessons that I couldn't have otherwise learned.

What are the two ladders that women have?A friends ladder, and a real ladder.

You're supposed to have sex with the wrong people. Despite what the catholic church believes, it's a healthy thing. If you keep in mind the appropriate health and safety regulations..
Don't do it in traffic (especially not while driving) or in burning buildings, around wild predators, or under a tree when there's lightning. And use protection; keep a fire extinguisher handy, and a getaway vehical nearby.

I didn't have a girlfriend until I was 17. We're still together, so I must've just been waiting for the right one and enjoying large amounts of video games and freedom in the meantime. It'll be two years on Thursday. If you're going to have a girlfriend, you should get to know the girl first, so you know she isn't going to drive you mad and make you go on a killing spree.

If it's sex you're wanting and not really a relationship, then just go after someone who looks pretty and most likely DOESN'T have some horrible plague. I personally believe in abstinence, but there is always porn and your hand. Lots and lots of porn. =P

About the gay guy, I just say either talk to him about it and tell him you're really uncomfortable with his crush/wild urges to have hot gay sex with you. And hey, if you want to be a real bastard, slap a sexual harassment suit on him.

A friends ladder, and a real ladder.Ah, thanks. I doubt that this is true, but it's good to know.

Tell the gay guy that you don't like cock, least of all his shrivelled member, and that he should grow the fuck up and move on to somebody who is obviously homo.

Then you should find a reasonably attractive female.

Then bang her.

Repeat.

If a female is currently impossible to aquire, resort to pornography and masturbation. You'll still use it, even if you have a GF anyway. Nobody will ever be able to get you off as well as you do. ;)

Should have picked the ass grabber.

Should have taken her. Im sure she is still available. Hunt her down and make a statement. That way you feel better about yourself. Even if she isnt your type do it. There really is no type when your 15. Date all of the girls if its possible. At 15 you should be testing out all kinds. That way you know what you want. Alot of young men and women waste alot of great years just being shy or not trying different things. So get out there and make something of yourself in the dating world. :p

Non-comformity is a bad thing? Ewwww, you want an average chick, specifically? Mediocre? Status quo?


I think he means those who are non-conformist conformists. "Look at me! I'm different -- just like everyone else is!" :rolleyes:

What are the two ladders that women have?


Click here for a thorough explanation of the Ladder Theory. (http://www.laddertheory.com) It's pure genius.

Click here for a thorough explanation of the Ladder Theory. (http://www.laddertheory.com) It's pure genius.

More like pure bullshit. I'm all the way with Sdaeriji on this one.

Go with the gay. Homo's have better sex anyway ;)

I think he means those who are non-conformist conformists. "Look at me! I'm different -- just like everyone else is!" :rolleyes:
Damn Hippies.

One with a whore taking a month complimenting my looks and then suddenly asking me out
Taking a month to ask someone out doesn't sound very whorish to me....

So tell me NS...WTF? I can get a guy but not a girl?
Go with it.

You're funny. There are no girls on the internet.
We're all in fandom, writing bad gay pr0n.


Honestly, go find this chap and snog him. He'll either back off, or you'll have yourself a boyfriend. ^_^