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Jesus Christ. There is nothing in the Evolutionary threory that excludes the existence of God. (or a supreme being, whatever floats your boat) So what the hell is the big deal? It seems that almost every other thread I see in General is about, "Creationism vs. Evolutionism." Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make it necessary to pull out the ole' Bible or Origin of Species and rant about how what you think is correct is absolute. Personally, I'm a Christian, but as far as I'm concerned there is nothing in the Bible that disagrees with evolution.

The story of creation can be interpreted in many different ways. This is partly the fault of odd translation and missinformation over the centuries. So please, for the very loud voices on both sides shut up for the love of god. Nothing you do is going to convince a devout Creationist, or Evolutionist that they're wrong. The point is moot.

How I miss the days of the Gay marriage debates and political mudslinging....

have to agree.... i believe in God but i think the whole idea of the world being made in 7 days etc is a load of nonsense... it was just written down like that back in the day because there's no way anyone around in ancient Palestine could have understood it any better...

Man, we should start a club. Three people who believe that science does not exclude God and God does not exclude science.

Make that four. Are any of you female?

Man, we should start a club. Three people who people that science does not exclude God and God does not exclude science.

Then by definition, your club wouldn't be scientific as you use speculation to find reason to believe in a god. The issue of god lies within each of us; we all have had different experiences, different ways of perceiving the same situtation.

I agree as well

Make that four. Are any of you female?

haha, not me anyway... you on the pull or something?

haha, not me anyway... you on the pull or something?

24/7

Then by definition, your club wouldn't be scientific as you use speculation to find reason to believe in a god. The issue of god lies within each of us; we all have had different experiences, different ways of perceiving the same situtation.

Ahh, who cares. It ain't no science club and you ain't invited. The rest of youse guys can join. We will meet whenever we darn well feel like it. Girls can join--ok?

Ahh, who cares. It ain't no science club and you ain't invited. The rest of youse guys can join. We will meet whenever we darn well feel like it. Girls can join--ok?

YAY!!

YAY!!

Ok! Me and youse is charter members. Ya got a good name for us?

count me in!

And bring on the girls ;)

Ok! Me and youse is charter members. Ya got a good name for us?

How about

STFU You Extremist Morons!

or

The Middle Grounders

or


We Can Compromise Because We Haven't Been Brainwashed

count me in!

And bring on the girls ;)

Ok, your a charter member too.

How about

STFU You Extremist Morons!

or

The Middle Grounders

or


We Can Compromise Because We Haven't Been Brainwashed

I like the last one best. Kudlastan how about you?

yeah... the last one seems to sum it up pretty well i say! i'm too tired to actually THINK of any more original names, so that'll do!

Ahh, who cares. It ain't no science club and you ain't invited. The rest of youse guys can join. We will meet whenever we darn well feel like it. Girls can join--ok?
Are there hats? I'll join if we can get hats.

Are there hats? I'll join if we can get hats.

there are hats. With propellers on.

Anyone who has a passing familiarity knows that Evolution doesn't contradict God. It doesn't even mention God. It is God neutral. It's only those who have no idea what they're talking about (the great majority of whom support Creationism,) that think Evolution threatens God. It's like thinking Relativity contradicts Buddhism.

Are there hats? I'll join if we can get hats.

Ya gotta accept the Article 1: We are people who believe that science does not exclude God and God does not exclude science.

If you accept that you can join. What size is your head?

Anyone who has a passing familiarity knows that Evolution doesn't contradict God. It doesn't even mention God. It is God neutral. It's only those who have no idea what they're talking about (the great majority of whom support Creationism,) that think Evolution threatens God. It's like thinking Relativity contradicts Buddhism.

So do you want to join or not? If yes ya gotta accept Article 1.

Ya gotta accept the Article 1: We are people who believe that science does not exclude God and God does not exclude science.

If you accept that you can join. What size is your head?
I'll join, but I'm not revealing my head size because I don't know what it is and am too lzay to find out.

I'll join, but I'm not revealing my head size because I don't know what it is and am too lzay to find out.

Ok, but if the hat don't fit don't blame me.

So do you want to join or not? If yes ya gotta accept Article 1.

I would refine it a bit.

Science neither proves nor disproves the existance of God, unless God is found to be a natural and quantifiable being with natural and quantifiable Powers. As no scientifically definitive evidence for such exists, and no experiment has yet been conceived for the purposes of developing the "God" hypothesis, the proposition of God, at this time can not advance further than the "hypothesis" stage. Therefore the concepts of God and science are exclusive (at this time,) but intrinsically non-nullifying.

The concept of God, on the other hand, should never nullify or modify the material evidence that informs our rational beings. The concept of God, by definition, lies outside the material sphere. God (if said being/force exists,) modifies our motivations, intentions and actions, but does not alter our perceptions. He/she/it colors our philosophies but not our concrete realities.

...and hats, we need hats.

Jesus Christ. There is nothing in the Evolutionary threory that excludes the existence of God.
It's the Theory of Evolution, not evolutionary theory. While it is an evolutionary theory, so are all scientific theories. If you mean Theory of Evolution, say so.

It's the Theory of Evolution, not evolutionary theory. While it is an evolutionary theory, so are all scientific theories. If you mean Theory of Evolution, say so.

WTF is your problem? The capitalisation of Evolutionary makes obvious the fact that the two are synoynmous under context.

It's the Theory of Evolution, not evolutionary theory. While it is an evolutionary theory, so are all scientific theories. If you mean Theory of Evolution, say so.

That is what I meant. Thats why I capitalized "Evolutionary." And aren't you just arguing semantics here?

I'm an atheist (I see no reason to assume that God or anything like it exists), and I believe strongly that evolution occurs (because it has huge amounts of evidence going for it); yet even I don't think that anything in science excludes the presence of God(s), or vice versa.

As for your club: You're the 'middle ground' between Creationists that think that religion disproves evolution, and Darwinists that think that evolution disproves religion, right? Slight problem: I really don't think that the latter exists. If they do, they are a puny minority amongst those of us that do support real science, and are as deserving of a smack upside the head as the harshest Young-Earth Creationists.

Nothing you do is going to convince a devout Creationist, or Evolutionist that they're wrong.
You don't debate an issue in order to convince the other person, you do it in order to convince onlookers who haven't yet made up their minds.

So does this mean that you all agree that creationism shouldn't be taught in science classes and evolution shouldn't be taught in religion classes?