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I have noticed after reading a couple of threads that there is an awful lot of communists or leftists playing nationstates, that many threads eventually become about the House of Lords, the merits of communism, or the price of oil. Can anyone explain why or what they have against rightwingers and lords?(I can see the problem with oil)

I dislike lords because they hog all the nice robes and scepters. I dislike rightwingers in my home country because they oppose civil rights for women, minorities, and gay citizens. But I also dislike communism. :)

What country?

What country?
Where else? The Theocratic Territories Of America! :)

Why are so many communists playing NS?

they are just killing time until the revolution comes.

I can see disliking the House of Lords because the Lords are appointed to their positions, which basically means that they have to know the right people.
I dislike right-wingers, especially because the ones in my home country (the U.S.) are against everything I stand for.

Incidentally, while there are a majority of economic left-wingers here, I wouldn't say that Communists outnumber anyone, and would even say that there are a nearly equal amount of right-wing libertarians here.

Why are so many communists playing NS?

they are just killing time until the revolution comes.

Why does nobody stand up for Fascism in these rooms either?

Reason-ITs okay to be communist but not Fascist

Reason-ITs okay to be communist but not Fascist

And that's bad because...?

Why are there so many Communists playing NS?


Because their politics don't work in real life.

PWNED, red scum!

Why does nobody stand up for Fascism in these rooms either?

Reason-ITs okay to be communist but not Fascist

first of all, youre wrong, we have plenty of fascists here

secondly, fascism has been out of style since 1945.

first of all, youre wrong, we have plenty of fascists here

secondly, fascism has been out of style since 1945.

and effective total communism since 1990

secondly, fascism has been out of style since 1945.
Same goes for communism. Outta style since 1989, and not making a comeback.

Why does nobody stand up for Fascism in these rooms either?

Because everyone instantly links fascism with the holocaust, but nothing similar is brought up for communism. If you do try to bring up, say, Stalin's atrocities they can just point out that that is Stalinism, not Communism. The root of the problem is that fascism lacks a single central text to draw from. (Anyone says Mein Kampf, I'm getting my shotgun.)

Well, there aren't as many communists, as there are anti-capitalists.

But here's two reasons.

1. A lot, if not a majority, of posters are teenagers. Communism is all about rebellion, so it naturally appeals to teenagers.
2. Communism is cool. Soviet Russia! Hammer and Sickle! T-Shirts with Che! In comparison, capitalism has almost no trendy symbols to latch onto. (Unless you count said t-shirts with Che on them ;) )
3. Given #1, when you don't have to work for a living but know you're going to have to, you resent the fact that your freebooting lifestyle can't continue and are more inclined to endorse an idealogy that promotes the continuation of it.

and effective total communism since 1990
yes but there are still communist countries in the world

and more importantly, people still wear clothes they bought in '89 but no one wears the clothes they bought in '45. you have to get those secondhand at a junk shop.

yeah that was a metaphor.

Well, there aren't as many communists, as there are anti-capitalists.

But here's two reasons.

1. A lot, if not a majority, of posters are teenagers. Communism is all about rebellion, so it naturally appeals to teenagers.
2. Communism is cool. Soviet Russia! Hammer and Sickle! T-Shirts with Che! In comparison, capitalism has almost no trendy symbols to latch onto. (Unless you count said t-shirts with Che on them ;) )
3. Given #1, when you don't have to work for a living but know you're going to have to, you resent the fact that your freebooting lifestyle can't continue and are more inclined to endorse an idealogy that promotes the continuation of it.
Damn, SB... You're just cutting to the quick today, aren't you? :D
I think you're spot-on, btw.

2. Communism is cool. Soviet Russia! Hammer and Sickle! T-Shirts with Che! In comparison, capitalism has almost no trendy symbols to latch onto. (Unless you count said t-shirts with Che on them ;) )
3. Given #1, when you don't have to work for a living but know you're going to have to, you resent the fact that your freebooting lifestyle can't continue and are more inclined to endorse an idealogy that promotes the continuation of it.
2. There are plenty of capitalist symbols. The Applie iPod, for example.

3. Well if they understood communism then they should understand that no ideology, not even communism, frees people from hard work.

4. You forgot plain ol' irrational compassion.

I've become more anti-capitalist since started working and earning money (and yes, paying taxes). But I suppose that I just want to be a freeloader, right?

2. There are plenty of capitalist symbols. The Applie iPod, for example.

No, those are business logos. The business may be managed, worked at, even owned by raging communists for all we know. They don't represent capitalism the way the USSR's communist logos did.

3. Well if they understood communism then they should understand that no ideology, not even communism, frees people from hard work.

Just goes to show how little knowledge accompanies the beliefs of many 'communists' then.

4. You forgot plain ol' irrational compassion.

I've become more anti-capitalist since started working and earning money (and yes, paying taxes). But I suppose that I just want to be a freeloader, right?

Ah, well I neglected to include the boss-hate factor in my original reasons. The more hate for your employer/manager, the more resentment towards "the system" that you think is responsible for such people. Am I wrong? Do you have a good relationship with your employer/manager?

2. There are plenty of capitalist symbols. The Applie iPod, for example.
No--the iPod is a symbol of blind sheep.


3. Well if they understood communism then they should understand that no ideology, not even communism, frees people from hard work.
You're correct; communism only frees the government officials from hard work. Everyone else works like those "exploited sweatshop workers".


4. You forgot plain ol' irrational compassion.
If communism is compassionate, then I'm Idi Amin. And I'm not from Uganda, and I seem to be alive.


I've become more anti-capitalist since started working and earning money (and yes, paying taxes). But I suppose that I just want to be a freeloader, right?
That and you have idea of what you speak.

I have noticed after reading a couple of threads that there is an awful lot of communists or leftists playing nationstates, that many threads eventually become about the House of Lords, the merits of communism, or the price of oil. Can anyone explain why or what they have against rightwingers and lords?(I can see the problem with oil)

because according to some people on here if you aint conservative youre automatically a commie

Or maybe a lot of people are commies in here but not in r/l? One guy in my (I say my cause I created it :P) region (the United Free Repubics) is a Communist nation in game, but he once told me in a rant about why people should respect him cause he's 1 billion plus and our little alliance is larger than him even though we're all about 300million or something like that...I digress...He told me that if his country was like his r/l views, it'd be a happy little bunny capitalist paradise.

So my point is, some people are just being the opposite of what they really are...I guess...

first of all, youre wrong, we have plenty of fascists here

secondly, fascism has been out of style since 1945.

Tell that to David Bowie.

(the United Free Repubics)

Is that a typo? If not, can I join your region of intercourse having hairy people?

what are you if you;re economically left wing, but socially you;re pretty conservative/authoritarian?

cos thats what i think i am.... lol

what are you if you;re economically left wing, but socially you;re pretty conservative/authoritarian?

cos thats what i think i am.... lol
That would make you an authoritarian dickweed who thinks he knows better than anyone else what people should do, economically and socially.

we communists post here in NS because we just love to hear other people's views.


oh i crack myself up. ;)


as for the house of lords: i am against hereditary peers. the house itself as a check/balance to the political system of this country is necessary, but for there to be 'Lords' some people have to be socially - which ultimatley means in terms of class - better or 'higher' than others... as a communist this grates against equality.

against right-wingers: they tend to fuck everything up and have no compassion.

That would make you an authoritarian dickweed who thinks he knows better than anyone else what people should do, economically and socially.


how rude!

how rude!
Alright, I concede that was rude. If it makes you feel better, in your authoritarian paradise I never would have had the free speech to have siad that to you. Wouldn't that be great?

that'd be just fine with me! :)

I think there are so many communists here on NS because those who are uber right-wing Bushbots consider anyone with moderate or left-leaning views to be communists. Therefore the word gets bandied around a lot improperly.

By the way, I am a 31 year old person whose work experience consists primarily of technology sales company to company. I can tell you that cubicle-land sucks ass, and middle management should be summarily executed. American capitalism, as it stands today, promotes paper-shuffling mediocrity and the chase of bloated bottom lines at the expense of those who do the majority of the work.

that'd be just fine with me! :)
I hope you know I wasn't really trying to be rude the first time, more sarcastic.
I speak with people of all political persuasions here.

If you'd like to know approximately where you land politically, try taking Neo Kervoskia's Political Compass Test. (http://www.orgburo.com/pofoquiz/pofo.php) That should help you figure out where your affiliation lies somewhat.

I think there are so many communists here on NS because those who are uber right-wing Bushbots consider anyone with moderate or left-leaning views to be communists. Therefore the word gets bandied around a lot improperly.

By the way, I am a 31 year old person whose work experience consists primarily of technology sales company to company. I can tell you that cubicle-land sucks ass, and middle management should be summarily executed. American capitalism, as it stands today, promotes paper-shuffling mediocrity and the chase of bloated bottom lines at the expense of those who do the majority of the work.

Fucking commies.:mad:

I R funny

2. There are plenty of capitalist symbols. The Applie iPod, for example.
iWant an iPod! iCan use it when iGo running! :D

I hope you know I wasn't really trying to be rude the first time, more sarcastic.
I speak with people of all political persuasions here.

If you'd like to know approximately where you land politically, try taking Neo Kervoskia's Political Compass Test. (http://www.orgburo.com/pofoquiz/pofo.php) That should help you figure out where your affiliation lies somewhat.


no worries mate...

took the test... pretty long one!

Overall, the PoliticsForum quiz considers you a socially-orientated, theist, big-government, protectionist, controlled-market kind of person.

lol, interesting...

It's simple, right-wingers are usually (there are exceptions) unable to conect to the internet. On the other hand, Santa Barbara is probably right.

Tell that to David Bowie.
ok ill talk to him about it next time i see him. but i dont think he's all that interested in how many fascists post on nationstates. i guess i could be wrong...

ok ill talk to him about it next time i see him. but i dont think he's all that interested in how many fascists post on nationstates. i guess i could be wrong...

No, he is.

David Bowie=Myrth

but you didn't hear that from me, okay?;) :p :cool:

Fucking commies.:mad:

I R funny

They hate us for our freedom...

to work at Walmart or McDonalds

No, they hate those who are successful in life when they aren't...

No, they hate those who are successful in life when they aren't...

That's a mighty big assumption. I've been called a commie plenty of times (I'm not, though I definitely lean towards socialism), and I feel my life is quite successful, thankyouverymuch.

I think my I.Q. dropped 40 points after reading through this thread.

I'll say this: At least Swimmingpool knows what he's talking about. The rest of you? Not so much.

I'll say this: At least Swimmingpool knows what he's talking about. The rest of you? Not so much.

What a way to contribute to the thread. Everyone else but you and one other poster is ignorant, and yet you don't deign to explain why or how.

I think my I.Q. dropped 40 points after reading through this thread.


Are you sure it was after? ;)

What a way to contribute to the thread. Everyone else but you and one other poster is ignorant, and yet you don't deign to explain why or how.



Are you sure it was after? ;)

1: Hey, when I do explain, I just get blown off all the same.

2: Hahaha. :p

I'm proud to be a verified independant! Just look at my political compass scores, and for the moral compass test I got 0 on moral order and 0 on what ever else their was, so that puts me right in the middle of it all!!!
That means I can make fun of both side equally :D

I'm proud to be a verified independant! Just look at my political compass scores, and for the moral compass test I got 0 on moral order and 0 on what ever else their was, so that puts me right in the middle of it all!!!
That means I can make fun of both side equally :D

*slaps forehead and grinds teeth*

That's CENTRIST, not "Independent"...

Eh, whatever, it's to late to think. :D

Geez, chill my man.

Eh, whatever, it's to late to think. :D

Geez, chill my man.

It's never too late to learn how to spell.

Ooooh, burn! :p

It's never too late to learn how to spell.

Ooooh, burn! :p
Hush, no one cares about your opinion.

Ooooh, burn :D



g2g shower, be back later

Eh, whatever, it's to late to think. :D

Geez, chill my man.

Chill your man? What, you have a freezer fetish?

**sings**

I don't know but I've been told
Eskimo pussy is mighty cold.

1: Hey, when I do explain, I just get blown off all the same.


Quite so, but we expect you to at least try. Otherwise it's no fun! :)


2: Hahaha. :p

:p Couldn't resist...

Quite so, but we expect you to at least try. Otherwise it's no fun! :)



:p Couldn't resist...

*hands you a Klondike Bar*

That means I can make fun of both side equally :D That also means both sides can make fun of you. :D

I have noticed after reading a couple of threads that there is an awful lot of communists or leftists playing nationstates,
A large portion of NationStates players are young, and many young people go through a communist phase. Back when I was at school (a Grammar school), we had a mock general election, the Communist party won (Conservatives second, Liberal Democrats third).

while there are a majority of economic left-wingers here

from what I've seen the majority are socially left-wing but economically right-wing...

From what I've seen, we have a lot of european socialists, australian communists, left-liberals from all over the place, american libertarians and a scattering of conservatives from the seventh circle of hell.

from what I've seen the majority are socially left-wing but economically right-wing...I dunno, there are an awful lot of liberals here. But I agree with the socially left-wing part.

But here's two reasons.

1. A lot, if not a majority, of posters are teenagers. Communism is all about rebellion, so it naturally appeals to teenagers.
2. Communism is cool. Soviet Russia! Hammer and Sickle! T-Shirts with Che! In comparison, capitalism has almost no trendy symbols to latch onto. (Unless you count said t-shirts with Che on them ;) )
3. Given #1, when you don't have to work for a living but know you're going to have to, you resent the fact that your freebooting lifestyle can't continue and are more inclined to endorse an idealogy that promotes the continuation of it.

That's three. :p

I'm not a teenager, I haven't got any "symbols" of communism (there were Che t-shirts for sale aplenty in Cuba, but I had no interest in buying any), and I do work for a living. And no, I don't "hate my boss": I'm a civil servant, I work for the State.

Try again. ;)

Why are so many communists playing NS?

they are just killing time until the revolution comes.No one's gonna listen to their nonsense in real life, they come over here because there are always a few players online who just love to give them attention.

a scattering of conservatives from the seventh circle of hell.

what? I'm from Britai... oh I got your point, Britain IS hell to a conservative.

what? I'm from Britai... oh I got your point, Britain IS hell to a conservative.

Despite the fact we have a closet conservative PM? I'm pretty sure that when the new tory manifesto comes out Labour will get their photocopiers ready.;)

I'm pretty sure that there's plenty of lefties out here because everyone has summat called a social life. bah! humbug!

what? I'm from Britai... oh I got your point, Britain IS hell to a conservative.

Then the USA is heaven? I think the Netherlands would be conversative hell.

Then the USA is heaven? I think the Netherlands would be conversative hell.

well... the USA isn't heavan, but it's closer than any other country...

Despite the fact we have a closet conservative PM? I'm pretty sure that when the new tory manifesto comes out Labour will get their photocopiers ready.

despite what the name will have you believe, the tories aren't all that conservative, they seem more libertarian to me.

well... the USA isn't heavan, but it's closer than any other country...

Bush is on the job! :)

No, those are business logos. The business may be managed, worked at, even owned by raging communists for all we know. They don't represent capitalism the way the USSR's communist logos did.
They do represent capitalism. By definition there are no collective symbols for all capitalists (excluding logos of capitalist political parties) so you have to use those icons of consumerist culture.

Ah, well I neglected to include the boss-hate factor in my original reasons. The more hate for your employer/manager, the more resentment towards "the system" that you think is responsible for such people. Am I wrong? Do you have a good relationship with your employer/manager?
Yes, I have a good relationship with my employer. He's as much a victim of the system as I am.

EDIT: I don't actually want to implement communism, because it does not work. I have a few moral qualms with capitalism, but unfortunately it seems to be the most pragmatically effective system. For actual policies I think that a mixed/Keynsian style of economy works best.

well... the USA isn't heavan, but it's closer than any other country...

How can a place with such high crime be heaven? Does heaven get bombed by terrorists?

I know you hate abortion, so consider this: America's abortion laws are some of the most liberal in the world, even more so than Britain. The only consolation for you is that in America there is no NHS to pay for abortions.

despite what the name will have you believe, the tories aren't all that conservative, they seem more libertarian to me.
Yeah, especially on immigration.:rolleyes:

iWant an iPod! iCan use it when iGo running! :D
That's fucking hilarious. Into my signature it goes... :D

Yeah, especially on immigration.

well let's see, they didn't have a policy on abortion, in fact i think michael howard wants to keep abortion at 24 weeks, and TONY BLAIR wants to shorten it. bearing in mind tony blair is from the labour party.

In their last manifesto, I found NOTHING about abortion or euthanasia, I found NOTHING about gay rights, NOTHING about gun control, all typically conservative issues, and what's worse for me, i found NOTHING about religion. all I found was about low taxes and, no looking at it again, what seems to me, their vision of an authoritarian police state. and I'm pretty ashamed that I ever supported them in this current form.

They do represent capitalism. By definition there are no collective symbols for all capitalists (excluding logos of capitalist political parties) so you have to use those icons of consumerist culture.How about a dollar sign for America, or the various monetary symbols? Would those also work as symbols for capitalism?