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So, if the FDA puts out a report (http://releases.usnewswire.com/redir.asp?ReleaseID=55825&Link=http://www.ers.usda.gov/publications/err11) about the fact that 38 million households are having trouble putting food on the table, what is the proper reponse?


Why Cut nearly a billion from food stamp programs of course! (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20051028/us_nm/food_congress_cuts_dc_1)


Yep, that'll solve the problem....

So, if the FDA puts out a report (http://releases.usnewswire.com/redir.asp?ReleaseID=55825&Link=http://www.ers.usda.gov/publications/err11) about the fact that 38 million households are having trouble putting food on the table, what is the proper reponse?


Why Cut nearly a billion from food stamp programs of course! (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20051028/us_nm/food_congress_cuts_dc_1)


Yep, that'll solve the problem....

Oh the logic and rationale....:rolleyes:

It's logical, some will starve and die so there's less people to feed.
Sounds evil!

It's logical, some will starve and die so there's less people to feed.
Sounds evil!


Why don't we just feed the really poor people to the resonably poor people? Solves it all..

Why don't we just feed the really poor people to the resonably poor people? Solves it all..


Now THERE'S an idea!

A modest proposal by Jonathan Smith:

http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html

It's logical, some will starve and die so there's less people to feed.
Sounds evil!

Sounds more like amature eugenics to me.

Why don't we just feed the really poor people to the resonably poor people? Solves it all..

Run for office or all hope is lost!

Sounds more like amature eugenics to me.

The rich control the working poor .... same old eugenics of the past.

I'm sure if I went to law school it would make sense somehow.

<sarcasm>that oughtta motivate those lazy punks to get jobs</sarcasm>

The Republicans are doing anything and everything they can to keep from raising taxes, cutting the money being pumped into the on-going "wars" and the military in general, and to keep their pet projects. This obviously means, for the Republican controlled everything, cutting any and all social programs under the guise of gaining money to help support the poor people affected by all the hurricanes while, as usual, touting the creation of the legislation of morality.

Government supported social programs: bad.
Government supported morality policing: a-ok.

geez they can still EAT. all they have to do is decide not to heat their homes and skip a rent payment or 2.

good lord its not like the republicans are HEARTLESS.

geez they can still EAT. all they have to do is decide not to heat their homes and skip a rent payment or 2.

good lord its not like the republicans are HEARTLESS.
And not get sick, you forgot that one.

geez they can still EAT. all they have to do is decide not to heat their homes and skip a rent payment or 2.

good lord its not like the republicans are HEARTLESS.

I don't know. Maybe they aren't HEARTLESS - just that they don't really CARE?

What about my idea? Eat the middleclass!

I don't know. Maybe they aren't HEARTLESS - just that they don't really CARE?
oh i hadnt considered that possibility....


oh im sure they CARE its just that they have to keep with their priorities of starting wars and making the rich richer.

you cant do it ALL.

if they're poor, they're poor for a reasone. if they work, they'd not be poor.

if they're poor, they're poor for a reasone. if they work, they'd not be poor.
while that may be true in your country, in the united states most of the people who are poor DO work.

if they're poor, they're poor for a reasone. if they work, they'd not be poor.

And, if they weren't in such dire situations, they'd be able to work.

Simple, really.

And, if they weren't in such dire situations, they'd be able to work.

Simple, really.
and why is everyone so ignorant to nature and such? if you can't get food through work, then grow it or hunt it!
even if you can get food from working, then hunting it and growing it is still much better...but that's a different discussion.


and other person(sorry i forgot your name!): why are people unable to work in america if they're poor?

if they're poor, they're poor for a reasone. if they work, they'd not be poor.

Perhaps through an inability to use correct English? That sounds like a reason.

and why is everyone so ignorant to nature and such? if you can't get food through work, then grow it or hunt it!
even if you can get food from working, then hunting it and growing it is still much better...but that's a different discussion.
Licenses cost money, so do seeds and equipment.

If they can’t feed themselves, they should stop eating so much. I'm completely serious.

and why is everyone so ignorant to nature and such? if you can't get food through work, then grow it or hunt it!
even if you can get food from working, then hunting it and growing it is still much better...but that's a different discussion.


and other person(sorry i forgot your name!): why are people unable to work in america if they're poor?

1: Most people here don't even know how to plant a garden. Seriously. Hunting's a whole other world of difficulty for these people.

2: Ever heard of physical and mental disabilities? Also, a lot of people are better off on welfare than they would be on minimum wage jobs. Why? They can afford more food that way. Sad, but true.

and why is everyone so ignorant to nature and such? if you can't get food through work, then grow it or hunt it!
even if you can get food from working, then hunting it and growing it is still much better...but that's a different discussion.


and other person(sorry i forgot your name!): why are people unable to work in america if they're poor?

what does one hunt in the city? shall we replace foodstamps with rats?

what does one hunt in the city? shall we replace foodstamps with rats?

Hmm... You might be on to something!

:p

what does one hunt in the city? shall we replace foodstamps with rats?
Drunks and cab drivers?

Licenses cost money, so do seeds and equipment.

And land.

Drunks and cab drivers?

Poodles. :)

Drunks and cab drivers?

*typical NYC dad comes home, dragging a corpse behind him*

"Hey kids, guess what? We get to eat Italian tonight!"

Oh, that was horrible...

Licenses cost money, so do seeds and equipment.
seeds can be bought with change found on the side of the road, literally, i'm rather certain that they only cost a few dollars for about 10 seeds. radishs or tomatoes are good ones to grow, radishs take little room and grow quickly, which tomatoes need lots of room to grow upwards, they provide a bunch of tomatoes. and greenbeans, very little room and allot of greenbeans from each.
also,
clovers can be eaten(although some people get a little bit sick from them(acidy i think) and to fix that just soak them in salt water)
earthworms can be eaten(they actually taste good while fried)
acorns can be eaten(although sometimes they get little worms in them, so it's best to crack them open first)
cattails, very common and make a strong tasting flour. roots are also edible, and the stems are when young.(i couldn't remember the word for a new stem?)
maple trees, rather easy to get sap from during the spring, and it doesn't even need to be made into maple syrup, tastes good right out of the tree. and the inner bark can be eaten too, kindof bland i think, like rice.
sweet goldenrod can be made into a good tea.(it has a distinct smelling leaves, easy to recognize)
and there's much more, like placing sticktraps in rivers and such.
Perhaps through an inability to use correct English? That sounds like a reason.
i'm sorry, i'll take note of that.

1: Most people here don't even know how to plant a garden. Seriously. Hunting's a whole other world of difficulty for these people.

2: Ever heard of physical and mental disabilities? Also, a lot of people are better off on welfare than they would be on minimum wage jobs. Why? They can afford more food that way. Sad, but true.
1. well, it is why they need to make teaching survival nesicary in schools, it can help in many more situations than most people think, the new orleans incident, for example.

2. if one has a physical or mental disability enough that they can't help then they are no use to the whole of people. it's like cancer, shurely you would remove a cancerous arm and have the rest of yourself survive? well, shurely you'd have the bad of the population die off while the best survive? it happends in nature all the time, and we are natural...

And land.
it is quite easy to take a cardboard box and grow things in it, although if someone is starving they really should get out of the city.

earthworms can be eaten(they actually taste good while fried)

*sings*

Nobody likes the poor, everybody hates the poor,
Guess they'll go eat worms,
Long, thin, slimy ones; Short, fat, juicy ones,
Itsy, bitsy, fuzzy wuzzy worms.

Down goes the first one, down goes the second one,
Oh how they wiggle and squirm.
Up comes the first one, up comes the second one,
Oh how they wiggle and squirm

*sings*

Nobody likes the poor, everybody hates the poor,
Guess they'll go eat worms,
Long, thin, slimy ones; Short, fat, juicy ones,
Itsy, bitsy, fuzzy wuzzy worms.

Down goes the first one, down goes the second one,
Oh how they wiggle and squirm.
Up comes the first one, up comes the second one,
Oh how they wiggle and squirm
i dunno, but i wouldn't say i'm poor and yet my family and i typically have worms every once and a while. and they're cooked :p

*sings*

Nobody likes the poor, everybody hates the poor,
Guess they'll go eat worms,
Long, thin, slimy ones; Short, fat, juicy ones,
Itsy, bitsy, fuzzy wuzzy worms.

Down goes the first one, down goes the second one,
Oh how they wiggle and squirm.
Up comes the first one, up comes the second one,
Oh how they wiggle and squirm

ROTFLMAO!!

2. if one has a physical or mental disability enough that they can't help then they are no use to the whole of people. it's like cancer, shurely you would remove a cancerous arm and have the rest of yourself survive? well, shurely you'd have the bad of the population die off while the best survive? it happends in nature all the time, and we are natural...

WOuld I remove my arm? Depends. Is it my wanking arm?

Oh, does stupidity count as a mental disability? **points shotgun at Yupaenu** Think carefully.

ROTFLMAO!!



WOuld I remove my arm? Depends. Is it my wanking arm?

Oh, does stupidity count as a mental disability? **points shotgun at Yupaenu** Think carefully.
i haven't seen you yet provide a logical arguement, turn the shotgun around. it really depends on if they are capable of helping the whole or not.

i haven't seen you yet provide a logical arguement, turn the shotgun around. it really depends on if they are capable of helping the whole or not.

Me? A logical argument? Bwahahahaha!!

I just find your belief in the systematic murder of all physically and mentally disabled people to be morally abhorrent. You seem to be measuring the contribution a person makes to the world in purely economic terms, ignoring all other factors.

Me? A logical argument? Bwahahahaha!!

I just find your belief in the systematic murder of all physically and mentally disabled people to be morally abhorrent. You seem to be measuring the contribution a person makes to the world in purely economic terms, ignoring all other factors.
hmm, VERY good point, i've never thought of that before. but what else would there be that a person might contribute that isn't part of economic means?

My family lives on food stamps, so naturally when I found out about this it pissed me off badly.

hmm, VERY good point, i've never thought of that before. but what else would there be that a person might contribute that isn't part of economic means?

Physical comedy. :)

hmm, VERY good point, i've never thought of that before. but what else would there be that a person might contribute that isn't part of economic means?

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest you have heard of Stephen Hawking. Or, on a different level, what about just love. Is that not a reason to keep people alive?

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest you have heard of Stephen Hawking. Or, on a different level, what about just love. Is that not a reason to keep people alive?

Sadly, most people don't even have a concept of what love is these days. Capitalist selfishness rules everything, as does Social Darwinism like this jerk is advocating.

Sadly, most people don't even have a concept of what love is these days. Capitalist selfishness rules everything, as does Social Darwinism like this jerk is advocating.

Got that right...

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest you have heard of Stephen Hawking. Or, on a different level, what about just love. Is that not a reason to keep people alive?
but stephen hawking also helps the common whole, i'm talking about people who physically can't or won't help the common whole in any way.
mentally retarded people can do physical jobs, and physically retarded people can do mental jobs.

and i don't know about you, but i were incapable of either of those things then i'd want myself to be dead.
and because my family loves me they'd want me dead too(not to suffer, among other reasons most people find insignificant)

while that may be true in your country, in the united states most of the people who are poor DO work.
true, but most of the poor people I know who work wouldn't be poor if they had any money managment skills at all.

but stephen hawking also helps the common whole, i'm talking about people who physically can't or won't help the common whole in any way.
mentally retarded people can do physical jobs, and physically retarded people can do mental jobs.

and i don't know about you, but i were incapable of either of those things then i'd want myself to be dead.
and because my family loves me they'd want me dead too(not to suffer, among other reasons most people find insignificant)

Then your family is full of twisted fucks.

true, but most of the poor people I know who work wouldn't be poor if they had any money managment skills at all.

So, those few stand for all of us poor people now, do they?

but stephen hawking also helps the common whole, i'm talking about people who physically can't or won't help the common whole in any way.
mentally retarded people can do physical jobs, and physically retarded people can do mental jobs.

and i don't know about you, but i were incapable of either of those things then i'd want myself to be dead.
and because my family loves me they'd want me dead too(not to suffer, among other reasons most people find insignificant)

This isn't like voluntary assisted suicide, though. I'm all for that if people want it or told others, put it in their will, etc.

What you're talking about, sounds like the T-4 program. And that's NOT good.

Sadly, most people don't even have a concept of what love is these days. Capitalist selfishness rules everything, as does Social Darwinism like this jerk is advocating.
i'm not advocating social darwinism, i'm advocating communism. you get assigned a job based on what you can do, the harder you work the more you get, and the less you work, the less you get. if you don't work(don't help the whole) then you get nothing.
and it's not selfishness, it's helping the whole above the individual.

seeds can be bought with change found on the side of the road, literally, i'm rather certain that they only cost a few dollars for about 10 seeds. radishs or tomatoes are good ones to grow, radishs take little room and grow quickly, which tomatoes need lots of room to grow upwards, they provide a bunch of tomatoes. and greenbeans, very little room and allot of greenbeans from each.
also,
clovers can be eaten(although some people get a little bit sick from them(acidy i think) and to fix that just soak them in salt water)
earthworms can be eaten(they actually taste good while fried)
acorns can be eaten(although sometimes they get little worms in them, so it's best to crack them open first)
cattails, very common and make a strong tasting flour. roots are also edible, and the stems are when young.(i couldn't remember the word for a new stem?)
maple trees, rather easy to get sap from during the spring, and it doesn't even need to be made into maple syrup, tastes good right out of the tree. and the inner bark can be eaten too, kindof bland i think, like rice.
sweet goldenrod can be made into a good tea.(it has a distinct smelling leaves, easy to recognize)
and there's much more, like placing sticktraps in rivers and such.

i'm sorry, i'll take note of that.
What. The. Fuck.

true, but most of the poor people I know who work wouldn't be poor if they had any money managment skills at all.

Bible Belt, eh?

Christian, perhaps? Sadly, I have to live in the South, and most Christians are a bunch of far-right idiots who want the poor to starve and say they are all lazy.

i'm not advocating social darwinism

You can say you aren't, but you sure as fuck are.

Bible Belt, eh?

Christian, perhaps? Sadly, I have to live in the South, and most Christians are a bunch of far-right idiots who want the poor to starve and say they are all lazy.

It's the same here in Texas, man, though there are more Leftists than there are in the Bible Belt.

i'm not advocating social darwinism, i'm advocating communism. you get assigned a job based on what you can do, the harder you work the more you get, and the less you work, the less you get. if you don't work(don't help the whole) then you get nothing.
and it's not selfishness, it's helping the whole above the individual.

I'm a socialist, so don't tell me that. Maybe what you're saying is like Stalinist oppressive bullcrap, but not actual socialism/communism. In my opinion socialism is supposed to help EVERYONE, no matter what their circumstances. And the best way to do that is an agrarian form of anarcho-socialism, or democratic socialism if there is no other way.

but stephen hawking also helps the common whole, i'm talking about people who physically can't or won't help the common whole in any way.
mentally retarded people can do physical jobs, and physically retarded people can do mental jobs.

and i don't know about you, but i were incapable of either of those things then i'd want myself to be dead.
and because my family loves me they'd want me dead too(not to suffer, among other reasons most people find insignificant)

So, you are completely ignoring the other example I gave.

and for your second point, if you want to die, that's your call (I'm pro-euthanasia). But who are you to make that choice for the rest of the world?

So, you are completely ignoring the other example I gave.

and for your second point, if you want to die, that's your call (I'm pro-euthanasia). But who are you to make that choice for the rest of the world?

Very well put.

I'm a socialist, so don't tell me that. Maybe what you're saying is like Stalinist oppressive bullcrap, but not actual socialism/communism. In my opinion socialism is supposed to help EVERYONE, no matter what their circumstances. And the best way to do that is an agrarian form of anarcho-socialism, or democratic socialism if there is no other way.
socialism is not communism, socialism-everyone gets and equal share of everything, no exceptions,
communism-the harder you work the more you get of the common produce.

true, but most of the poor people I know who work wouldn't be poor if they had any money managment skills at all.
they would still be poor but they would get by better.

its pretty hard to be surrounded by images (and the reality) of opulence and not decide to splurge now and then. so you get sick of your kid being laughed at for wearing second hand clothes and you buy him some nice athletic shoes or good jacket.

So, those few stand for all of us poor people now, do they?
I am just saying that most of the "poor" people in my experience have things that they don't need and can't buy the things they do, or worse they don't manage thier money at all and can't deal with emergency situations.

and don't talk to me like I am idiot who doesn't know what I am talking about, I grew up poor, very poor, I have been there, I know it sucks when it is below freezing outside and you don't have any lights, heat, water in your house and the window is broke and you haven't eaten in 4 days and you are sick but can't go to the doctor because they want $$ up front, I didn't see a way out of it, but sitting on the other side now, I know it didn't have to be that way.

Bible Belt, eh?

Christian, perhaps? Sadly, I have to live in the South, and most Christians are a bunch of far-right idiots who want the poor to starve and say they are all lazy.
I am sorry that you have to put up with people like that.

I am Christian, but I am not like them, don't confuse me with them.

I am sorry that you have to put up with people like that.

I am Christian, but I am not like them, don't confuse me with them.
Too late, you already wear the insignia.

I am sorry that you have to put up with people like that.

I am Christian, but I am not like them, don't confuse me with them.

We live on food stamps and my mother struggles to pay the rent, and since you're a Christian from the South saying that the poor are fairly lazy, you sound an awful lot like them.

Not sure if you're a racist or gay-hater who loves Bush like they do, but I'm not keeping my fingers crossed.

Too late, you already wear the insignia.

That's a pretty twattish attitude.

That's a pretty twattish attitude.
Due to his attitude, he was already identified as a "Christian." Then he tells us he isn't like them and not to confuse him with them. I think it is a bit too late when you have already been pointed out due to your attitude. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it is either a duck or Robin Williams.

they would still be poor but they would get by better.

its pretty hard to be surrounded by images (and the reality) of opulence and not decide to splurge now and then. so you get sick of your kid being laughed at for wearing second hand clothes and you buy him some nice athletic shoes or good jacket.
oh I know. I am not poor but clothes are not our top priority. I am wearing an outfit right now that is 7 years old, in fact I haven't bought a new outfit in about 3 years. It is all about where you want your money to go. I sat down with a friend once who makes less than half of what I do and she is always broke, we wrote down where all her money goes and shifted a few things around and made a budget that she could stick to. She isn't rich, but she does have food, shelter, and an emergency fund now. Her kid is wearing hand me downs, just like my kids do, and it isn't really a problem. Sometimes there are things that are more important than clothes. I know the pain though going to school on the first day when everyone had a new outfit and I was still wearing one that was 2 sizes to small. I understand wanting to splurge, just sometimes you can't afford to, so you shouldn't

I am just saying that most of the "poor" people in my experience have things that they don't need and can't buy the things they do, or worse they don't manage thier money at all and can't deal with emergency situations.

and don't talk to me like I am idiot who doesn't know what I am talking about, I grew up poor, very poor, I have been there, I know it sucks when it is below freezing outside and you don't have any lights, heat, water in your house and the window is broke and you haven't eaten in 4 days and you are sick but can't go to the doctor because they want $$ up front, I didn't see a way out of it, but sitting on the other side now, I know it didn't have to be that way.
my family, too. when i was a little kid we didn't have electricity(well, most of the time we did, but for months it'd get knocked out and we couldn't get a better connection) or lights(well, fire) or heat(well, again, fire) or running water(well, river outside we'd get water from and boil it within the fire).
but we always had food(hunting deer and turkey and squirrels and such and we had a huge garden), and we didn't actually get sick that much. but probably wild food ussually is allot healthier than most food and that there's not very many deseases up here.

Due to his attitude, he was already identified as a "Christian." Then he tells us he isn't like them and not to confuse him with them. I think it is a bit too late when you have already been pointed out due to your attitude. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it is either a duck or Robin Williams.

I just think you could have found a better way of phrasing it than "You already wear the insignia"

my family, too. when i was a little kid we didn't have electricity(well, most of the time we did, but for months it'd get knocked out and we couldn't get a better connection) or lights(well, fire) or heat(well, again, fire) or running water(well, river outside we'd get water from and boil it within the fire).
but we always had food(hunting deer and turkey and squirrels and such and we had a huge garden), and we didn't actually get sick that much. but probably wild food ussually is allot healthier than most food and that there's not very many deseases up here.

Deer and turkey and squirrels?!?

my family, too. when i was a little kid we didn't have electricity(well, most of the time we did, but for months it'd get knocked out and we couldn't get a better connection) or lights(well, fire) or heat(well, again, fire) or running water(well, river outside we'd get water from and boil it within the fire).
but we always had food(hunting deer and turkey and squirrels and such and we had a huge garden), and we didn't actually get sick that much. but probably wild food ussually is allot healthier than most food and that there's not very many deseases up here.
Very few places have areas where you can actually hunt or fish anything without getting in trouble, and probably less have access to remotely fresh water or enough land to grow enough food for sustenance just threw the growing season, much less the entire year.

I just think you could have found a better way of phrasing it than "You already wear the insignia"
Insignia sounded cooler than mark.

We live on food stamps and my mother struggles to pay the rent, and since you're a Christian from the South saying that the poor are fairly lazy, you sound an awful lot like them.

Not sure if you're a racist or gay-hater who loves Bush like they do, but I'm not keeping my fingers crossed.
I never said that poor people were lazy. In fact I do understand that they work very hard, I used to work 80 hours a week at a minimum wage job while trying to graduate from highschool. I don't doubt that they are trying to do the best they can, all I said was that they don't have money managment skills. Maybe if the government was more concerned with helping people learn to manage thier money instead of treating them like second rate citizens and giving them handouts then things would be better.

just a question though. where exactly are you getting your internet access from?

I just think you could have found a better way of phrasing it than "You already wear the insignia"

Well, the problem is that a lot of Christians today are extremely hateful. I've tried killing myself numerous times due to being constantly beat up and harassed by Christians, as well as having my father beat me very badly and then having Christians say he did the right thing by hitting my bottom and legs with the metal end of a belt until I was heavily bruised, as an example of just one occasion.

I see some big similarities between fundamentalist Christianity and several other oppressive systems, one of which involves the song 'Horst Wessel Lied'.

That may be a bit extreme, but if you look at the ideas there is a strong resemblance.

We live on food stamps and my mother struggles to pay the rent, and since you're a Christian from the South saying that the poor are fairly lazy, you sound an awful lot like them.

Not sure if you're a racist or gay-hater who loves Bush like they do, but I'm not keeping my fingers crossed.
but also then, does your mother work as hard as others? if so, it's a problem that capitalist and socialist governments have: some people don't work and still get. that's why communist should be there(what you get it based on what you do).
and that's also explaining why i'm against social darwinism, in social darwinism people can do things that will let them not have to work and still get money, like highering other people to do work for them and selling their produce for more than they pay the people they higher.

EDIT: i wrote not when i ment so...

I never said that poor people were lazy. In fact I do understand that they work very hard, I used to work 80 hours a week at a minimum wage job while trying to graduate from highschool. I don't doubt that they are trying to do the best they can, all I said was that they don't have money managment skills. Maybe if the government was more concerned with helping people learn to manage thier money instead of treating them like second rate citizens and giving them handouts then things would be better.

just a question though. where exactly are you getting your internet access from?

It's being paid for by my grandparents. They help us out a little bit but not that much.

I used to work 80 hours a week at a minimum wage job while trying to graduate from highschool.

**raises eyebrow** WTF? That's half the week.

I am just saying that most of the "poor" people in my experience have things that they don't need and can't buy the things they do, or worse they don't manage thier money at all and can't deal with emergency situations.

and don't talk to me like I am idiot who doesn't know what I am talking about, I grew up poor, very poor, I have been there, I know it sucks when it is below freezing outside and you don't have any lights, heat, water in your house and the window is broke and you haven't eaten in 4 days and you are sick but can't go to the doctor because they want $$ up front, I didn't see a way out of it, but sitting on the other side now, I know it didn't have to be that way.

Yeah, well I don't quite have it that bad (though I almost do quite often), but right now, there isn't a clear way out of this shit. My dad's permanently disabled, my brother's not allowed to get a job due to his university's financial aid restrictions, and I'm not even out of high school, so I could only get a minimum wage job. One 17-year-old working for minimum wage to attempt to feed his brother and dad and *hope* to pay the electricity and water bills? I think not.

A lot of people have it harder than you think. Don't speak for everyone just because you think you can.

but also then, does your mother work as hard as others? if not, it's a problem that capitalist and socialist governments have: some people don't work and still get. that's why communist should be there(what you get it based on what you do).
and that's also explaining why i'm against social darwinism, in social darwinism people can do things that will let them not have to work and still get money, like highering other people to do work for them and selling their produce for more than they pay the people they higher.

My mother works every day, in a retirement home as a nurse, 8 hours a day and sometimes double shifts. She works just as hard as anyone else does.

Deer and turkey and squirrels?!?
My mother grew up eating squirrels. She thought it was perfectly normal until she was about twenty.:eek:

Deer and turkey and squirrels?!?
:confused: you've never eaten a squirrel? some of them have quite a bit of meat on them. a bit tough, but it's got a distinct taste to it.

**raises eyebrow** WTF? That's half the week.
yeah I went into this in another thred.

I would work five 16 hour days and sleep on wed. do home work on thurs (sometimes actually show up to school) and then go back to work.

Yeah, well I don't quite have it that bad (though I almost do quite often), but right now, there isn't a clear way out of this shit. My dad's permanently disabled, my brother's not allowed to get a job due to his university's financial aid restrictions, and I'm not even out of high school, so I could only get a minimum wage job. One 17-year-old working for minimum wage to attempt to feed his brother and dad and *hope* to pay the electricity and water bills? I think not.

A lot of people have it harder than you think. Don't speak for everyone just because you think you can.
Yep, some people sure do have it hard, and I couldn’t care less.

Well, the problem is that a lot of Christians today are extremely hateful. I've tried killing myself numerous times due to being constantly beat up and harassed by Christians, as well as having my father beat me very badly and then having Christians say he did the right thing by hitting my bottom and legs with the metal end of a belt until I was heavily bruised, as an example of just one occasion.

Well, that sucks. OTOH, it's not really a reason to jump off the deep end and start tarring all christians with the same brush.

I see some big similarities between fundamentalist Christianity and several other oppressive systems, one of which involves the song 'Horst Wessel Lied'.

That may be a bit extreme, but if you look at the ideas there is a strong resemblance.

I see where you're coming from. Not certain I agree, but I do see why you'd say that.

yeah I went into this in another thred.

I would work five 16 hour days and sleep on wed. do home work on thurs (sometimes actually show up to school) and then go back to work.

Wow. That's crazy.

It's being paid for by my grandparents. They help us out a little bit but not that much.
okay. sorry I didn't want to assume.


I have a relative with 3 cars, digital cable and highspeed internet, who is always complaining about how he 'can't feed his kids' I get really mad at him, didn't want to take it out on you though, if you weren't like that (and it sounds like you aren't)

:confused: you've never eaten a squirrel? some of them have quite a bit of meat on them. a bit tough, but it's got a distinct taste to it.

I'm pretty sure most people have never eaten squirrel.

You know something else with a distinctive taste? Cow shit.

My mother works every day, in a retirement home as a nurse, 8 hours a day and sometimes double shifts. She works just as hard as anyone else does.
well then, that's a problem with a government and not your mother. that's why they need to change it to the type of government i'd been talking about. then you'd not have that problem, since it sounds as if none in your family are unable to work or don't work.

Yep, some people sure do have it hard, and I couldn’t care less.

Well, duh. :p

Yeah, well I don't quite have it that bad (though I almost do quite often), but right now, there isn't a clear way out of this shit. My dad's permanently disabled, my brother's not allowed to get a job due to his university's financial aid restrictions, and I'm not even out of high school, so I could only get a minimum wage job. One 17-year-old working for minimum wage to attempt to feed his brother and dad and *hope* to pay the electricity and water bills? I think not.
That sucks. I have been in a similar situation and got really pissed off and ended up getting kicked out of my house (which led to the 80 hour a week job)

A lot of people have it harder than you think. Don't speak for everyone just because you think you can.

I don't pretend to speak for anyone but myself. I do get annoyed when people try to speak for me, and put words in my mouth, but if you will look back on my posts everything I have said has been precluded with "in my experience" so I am speaking for myself.

and it is hard to see a way out when you are in the middle of it, I know.

okay. sorry I didn't want to assume.


I have a relative with 3 cars, digital cable and highspeed internet, who is always complaining about how he 'can't feed his kids' I get really mad at him, didn't want to take it out on you though, if you weren't like that (and it sounds like you aren't)

Well, we have DSL right now. My grandparents were paying for my schooling but I just got into homeschool a few weeks back so that isn't a big deal now. My mom has one car which is why I don't have my permit or anything yet, as she needs it to do stuff and it would be pointless for me to have one, anyway. I am 16, by the way. A bit young I know, but one of the few good things about myself is that I think I'm fairly cultured, I guess so anyway.

I'm pretty sure most people have never eaten squirrel.

You know something else with a distinctive taste? Cow shit.
where did you ever eat such? there's allot of bacteria and mold in them, not real healthy...of course, i assume you know this already :D
squirrels live everywhere it seems to me and they're easy to get, why don't people eat them? have to cook them good though, they sometimes carry deseases.

Wow. That's crazy.
yeah I got tired of being poor and rebelled and ended up getting kicked out at 16 :( I decided that I would have everything I needed and most of what I wanted, and would either learn to want less or work harder and since I was 16 and selfish work harder seemed to be the answer. In hindsight, if I wasn't addicted to drugs, I probably wouldn't have needed so much income. but whatcha gonna do? the past is the past. can't fix it now. at least if I ever do get into a jam again I know that I will probably live through it. ;)

where did you ever eat such? there's allot of bacteria and mold in them, not real healthy...of course, i assume you know this already :D

Most of my experience in what shit tastes like comes from the internet, where I'm force-fed it on a daily basis.


squirrels live everywhere it seems to me and they're easy to get, why don't people eat them? have to cook them good though, they sometimes carry deseases.

I don't eat squirrels because I buy real food. I've never been in a position where money was a problem, though.

yeah I got tired of being poor and rebelled and ended up getting kicked out at 16 :( I decided that I would have everything I needed and most of what I wanted, and would either learn to want less or work harder and since I was 16 and selfish work harder seemed to be the answer. In hindsight, if I wasn't addicted to drugs, I probably wouldn't have needed so much income. but whatcha gonna do? the past is the past. can't fix it now. at least if I ever do get into a jam again I know that I will probably live through it. ;)

Heh, I'm tired of being poor, too. I'm moving in with my sister within the next few weeks, possibly in the middle of November. Once I finish high school, I'll probably be off to UCLA.

yeah I got tired of being poor and rebelled and ended up getting kicked out at 16 :( I decided that I would have everything I needed and most of what I wanted, and would either learn to want less or work harder and since I was 16 and selfish work harder seemed to be the answer. In hindsight, if I wasn't addicted to drugs, I probably wouldn't have needed so much income. but whatcha gonna do? the past is the past. can't fix it now. at least if I ever do get into a jam again I know that I will probably live through it. ;)

You live and learn, eh?

Heh, I'm tired of being poor, too. I'm moving in with my sister within the next few weeks, possibly in the middle of November. Once I finish high school, I'll probably be off to UCLA.
sounds like you have a good plan. stick to it. (really, it is hard to go to college sometimes when people in your family didn't have the same "opportunity" they get jealous and evil you just have to ignore it and work harder)

sounds like you have a good plan. stick to it. (really, it is hard to go to college sometimes when people in your family didn't have the same "opportunity" they get jealous and evil you just have to ignore it and work harder)

Heh, my sister already told me she'd be jealous of me going to UCLA, though it was in a light-hearted way. :p

You live and learn, eh?
pretty much. mostly I have learned that my kids are never going to be put in that position. :)

and I get more than annoyed with the teenagers around here that whine because thier parents didn't buy them an XBOX for Christmas and that they only get $100 for allowance.
I told one the other day "yeah when I was 16 I had a steady flow of $2000 a month to spend"
and she said "wow, how did you do that?"

I said "crack, work, meth, work, valium, sleep, crack, work, crack, work, crack, work...."

and she said "when did you hang out with your friends? or go to school? or go to the mall?"

and I just walked away, sometimes they aren't worth your time..........:(

pretty much. mostly I have learned that my kids are never going to be put in that position. :)

and I get more than annoyed with the teenagers around here that whine because thier parents didn't buy them an XBOX for Christmas and that they only get $100 for allowance.
I told one the other day "yeah when I was 16 I had a steady flow of $2000 a month to spend"
and she said "wow, how did you do that?"

I said "crack, work, meth, work, valium, sleep, crack, work, crack, work, crack, work...."

and she said "when did you hang out with your friends? or go to school? or go to the mall?"

and I just walked away, sometimes they aren't worth your time..........:(

She has a good point, though. This country is overly-obsessed with working your life away.

She has a good point, though. This country is overly-obsessed with working your life away.
sure they are. I don't advocate that life at all, my priorities were way out of whack.

I know that my husband could make $1,000,000.00 a year, if that was his goal, but his goal is to spend time with us. So he makes considerably less, and we have 1 car and basic cable, and the kids wear hand me downs. It all depends in what you want out of life and how hard you are willing to work to get that.

When I was 16, I wanted drugs, and the more drugs I got the more I needed so the more I had to work which required more drugs. It was a vicious cycle that I don't ever want to repeat.

I have a relative with 3 cars, digital cable and highspeed internet, who is always complaining about how he 'can't feed his kids' I get really mad at him, didn't want to take it out on you though, if you weren't like that (and it sounds like you aren't)

those people dont bother me. they bitch about it, but they feed their kids just fine. the ones that make me crazy are they ones who use their money on drugs and alcohol (even when they arent miserable addicts) and really cant feed their kids.

its a good thing we have nutrition programs for children. school breakfast and lunch, we even have a summer nutrition program here for anyone under 18 to get free lunch. for some kids, its the only meal they get.

those people dont bother me. they bitch about it, but they feed their kids just fine. the ones that make me crazy are they ones who use their money on drugs and alcohol (even when they arent miserable addicts) and really cant feed their kids.

its a good thing we have nutrition programs for children. school breakfast and lunch, we even have a summer nutrition program here for anyone under 18 to get free lunch. for some kids, its the only meal they get.
yeah. I am glad for that too, I wish it was better publicized. It was July before my neighbors found out about it (I told them) and they could have been eating lunch since may :(

(They are 16,9, and 6 and their mom works during the day, By being able to eat lunch at school, not only did they cut down on unhealthy food they also saved money.)

Why don't we just feed the really poor people to the resonably poor people? Solves it all..

You aren't world dictator?