NationStates Jolt Archive

Sorry Canuckheaven, Couldn't find any pictures of the Canadians on my hard drive.I'll see about getting those up for you in the next few weeks.

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British troops take aim during a practice convoy ambush

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A British Canine and Soldier on Patrol. Nice doggie!

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A British sniper team stands on watch in Iraq. Al Nasiriyah?

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A British Medic administers ointment to a young Iraqi

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A British Medevac helo carries a wounded British Trooper.

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A British Jeep patrols Iraq

Sorry Canuckheaven, Couldn't find any pictures of the Canadians on my hard drive.I'll see about getting those up for you in the next few weeks.

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British troops take aim during a practice convoy ambush

http://img500.imageshack.us/img500/3598/attackdog7wg.jpg

A British Canine and Soldier on Patrol. Nice doggie!

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A British sniper team stands on watch in Iraq. Al Nasiriyah?

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A British Medic administers ointment to a young Iraqi

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A British Medevac helo carries a wounded British Trooper.

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A British Jeep patrols Iraq

Holy cow, I really screwed this one up. Whoops.

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A British soldier points a gun at a civilian shortly after the murder of 13 innocent civilians in Londonderry, Northern Ireland.






That photo with the dog is a great photo, by the way.

Oh, Christ....nicht wieder.

This forum lacks a smiley raising its eyebrows...

So for the time being I'll go with
:headbang:

and a bit of

:-Ü if that isn't too graphic...

Commence the war worship by those who lack the morals to despise it!

This forum lacks a smiley raising its eyebrows...

So for the time being I'll go with
:headbang:

and a bit of

:-Ü if that isn't too graphic...
http://usr-bin-mom.com/images/wtf.gif
That's the closest I could find to one.

Edit: Here we go. http://ayttm.sourceforge.net/smileys/default/yahoo_eyebrow.png

Oh yeah, cheers for reminding me that a bunch of my countrymen are vicious murderers for the state.

INTIFADA

This forum lacks a smiley raising its eyebrows...

So for the time being I'll go with
:headbang:

and a bit of

:-Ü if that isn't too graphic...

Huh? I can't see any blood. I guess you guys would go nuts over the photos of some insurgents after they were beaten by the Iraqi Police :D

I guess you guys would go nuts over the photos of some insurgents after they were beaten by the Iraqi Police :D
No we wouldn't. We love graphic imagery! Go on, post it...

Muhahahahaha!

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A British soldier points a gun at a civilian shortly after the murder of 13 innocent civilians in Londonderry, Northern Ireland.






That photo with the dog is a great photo, by the way.

Hell, the Holocaust survivors were none too happy when the Israeli Military began using Dogs to help in Patrol (German Shepherds), but they quickly realized that they are a huge asset because of their abilities to do what a foot soldier cannot, and thier FEARLESSNESS-they will do anything for a doggy biscuit and a few pets from their handler.

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No we wouldn't. We love graphic imagery! Go on, post it...

Muhahahahaha!

That's NEXT weeks photos-100% Iraqi! Police, Captured Insurgents, ING, and ING recruits!

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We know, we know. You just keep bad company.

Oh yeah, cheers for reminding me that a bunch of my countrymen are vicious murderers for the state.

INTIFADA
Dude, my cousin is in the army. He is definitely not a viscious murderer for the state. He's a pawn in the disgusting game of chess between the east and the west.

No we wouldn't. We love graphic imagery! Go on, post it...

Muhahahahaha!
Now, now, just because you plucked from the Tree of Moddage doesn't mean that you have to tempt everyone else with it.

It doesn't mean you shouldn't though, keep up the good work! CORRUPTION IS POWER!

Hell, the Holocaust survivors were none too happy when the Israeli Military began using Dogs to help in Patrol (German Shepherds), but they quickly realized that they are a huge asset because of their abilities to do what a foot soldier cannot, and thier FEARLESSNESS-they will do anything for a doggy biscuit and a few pets from their handler.
No comment on the picture and caption then?

I wasn't praising the dogs, I was praising the photographer. :)

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I don't see a Saddam in the picture, did you photo shop him in?

God Bless the brits!

God Bless the brits!

The British do not blaspheme in such a way as to want god to bless but them.

No comment on the picture and caption then?

I wasn't praising the dogs, I was praising the photographer. :)

Hell, the Brits have even more of a reason to stick out Iraq after the subway bombings. I'm pretty sure that guy had that on his mind, and evidently the dog did too.

Hell, the Brits have even more of a reason to stick out Iraq after the subway bombings. I'm pretty sure that guy had that on his mind, and evidently the dog did too.
I meant this photo:
http://www.infosatellite.com/images/articlepics/bloodysunday.gif

And this caption:
A British soldier points a gun at a civilian shortly after the murder of 13 innocent civilians in Londonderry, Northern Ireland.

Hell, the Brits have even more of a reason to stick out Iraq after the subway bombings. I'm pretty sure that guy had that on his mind, and evidently the dog did too.
Or maybe they were just horny. Ever think of that? No, you didn't.

I don't see a Saddam in the picture, did you photo shop him in?

God Bless the brits!

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I meant this photo:
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And this caption:
Hello?

Hello?
Well, he mightn't realise its significance as much as people on the islands.:(

Well, he mightn't realise its significance as much as people on the islands.:(
Maybe not, but I would still like to hear his opinion on the British Army's shooting dead of 14 (not 13 as I previously said) innocent civilians on a civil rights march in 1972 in Londonderry, Northern Ireland.

Maybe not, but I would still like to hear his opinion on the British Army's shooting dead of 14 (not 13 as I previously said) innocent civilians on a civil rights march in 1972 in Londonderry, Northern Ireland.

I'll wait for the "...I-don't-actually-know-anything-about-it-but-I'm-gonna-try-and-bullshit-my-way-through-by-saying-something-stupid/offensive..." argument. :D ;)

Oh yes, so do I.

I've a feeling we may be waiting a while though.

I meant this photo:
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And this caption:

Shooting civilians is wrong, although I already know where some people here will try and take that.

A: Shooting civilian accidentaly:Mistake-not intentional
B: Shooting civilian intentionally: Morally wrong

But if they've got a weapon, threaten you in any way, blastem. I'd like to hear the details behind the 13 civilians deaths by the British Police or Army...

Go to Google and type in:

Bloody Sunday

But if they've got a weapon, threaten you in any way, blastem. I'd like to hear the details behind the 13 civilians deaths by the British Police or Army...
They were unarmed civilians taking part in a largely peaceful civil rights march. The British Army opened fire on them.

I'll wait for the "...I-don't-actually-know-anything-about-it-but-I'm-gonna-try-and-bullshit-my-way-through-by-saying-something-stupid/offensive..." argument. :D ;)
If you like:
"They deserved it because they were a bunch of ignorant, violent, smelly, lower class, communist, jewish, arabs! Everyone needs to kill people, and guns make every situation better and the police state is better than living next door to an atheist's house."
Happy now, sweety?

If you like:
"They deserved it because they were a bunch of ignorant, violent, smelly, lower class, communist, jewish, arabs! Everyone needs to kill people, and guns make every situation better and the police state is better than living next door to an atheist's house."
Happy now, sweety?

No, no.... I said 'offensive' ;)

They were unarmed civilians taking part in a largely peaceful civil rights march. The British Army opened fire on them.

Hmm. And this ties in to The British Army in Iraq...how?

I take it someone lost thier head over it, right? Should have...

Hmm. And this ties in to The British Army in Iraq...how?
Where in your original post did you mention this thread being solely about Iraq?

I take it someone lost thier head over it, right? Should have...
Nope, nobody was punished.

I take it someone lost thier head over it, right? Should have...

No, the soldiers were 'cleared'.

I'll leave it up to Nadkor to explain the linkage between the two powerful yet strikingly similar images that you both posted.

No, the soldiers were 'cleared'.

I'll leave it up to Nadkor to explain the linkage between the two powerful yet strikingly similar images that you both posted.
I would, but I'm going to bed (working tomorrow). Feel free to post away :)

Hmm. And this ties in to The British Army in Iraq...how?
The point is that being a soldier is not, and pretty much never has been, something to be proud of.

It's not cool to post pictures of soldiers doing their stuff, and it's even less cool to put martialistic captions underneath.

Soldiers are in the best case people who are forced to murder other people. That is not okay on the most basic human interaction-type level, no matter what the politics that you ultimately superimpose on it.

Things like Bloody Sunday, or Abu Ghraib, or the bombing of Dresden, or the bombing of that wedding in Afghanistan just serve to remind us that this is indeed the gist of it - people die. And you should never forget that when you again feel like turning these people into some sort of folk heroes.

Soldiers die to protect what liberties and freedoms we hold dear.

If they didn't, we would live in a world completly different to what we live in now. Of course we should praise them for the magnificient work they do in dificult situations, i wonder how long you would last?

If brave, brave men had not faught and died for us in WWII then we would be now be still under the oppression of a Nazi regime, and you sunshine, would never be able to say what you just did...you would be taken to a concentration camp and either worked to death or shot. This is why we remember these brave men that made the ultimate sacrifice to ensure that we have free speech, and a democratic system (among other things).

I can't believe you throw this back in these dead mens faces by basically saying that they are murderers, they are not, they are protectors of what we hold dear.

Oh and if you knew your history, if the British had not bombed Dresdon (terrible as it was), the RAF would have collapse from the relentless German bombing of our airfields and Britain and its allies would have lost (probably). Of course Germany then bombed London (Himmler's biggest mistake) and other cities with terrifying weapons such as the V1, V2s and if the war had not ended when it did, the V3 (Nuclear). Believe it or not, Germany was much more advanced in Nuclear Physics than America and Britain, hence why when Germany surrendered, all the German Nuclear Physicists (arguably the best in the world, still are!) suddenly disapeared to the US to help in the Manhatten Project. It also had the plane to deliver it, jet powered, the Messchermitt (sp? sorry) Me-292?? German Engineers were just amazing during the war.

Of course this is all in the past, and we have to move on, and in general i think we have, but we must not forget the brave men (British, German (who unfortunately are often overlooked, but at the end of the day, they were human with families just following orders), US, French, Japanese, everyone) who made the ultimate sacrifice for the world we live in today.

Soldiers, who fight and die for our country are heros, end of story.

If anyone is the murderer, it is the their superior and CO with ultimate responsibility, NOT the soldier on the ground following orders.

War is a bad thing, but a fact of life.

Graham Harvey

Soldiers die to protect what liberties and freedoms we hold dear.
As I said: On the most basic level, soldiers are people who kill other people.
Everything more than that is ideology and essentially subjective, even though you will find few people who disagree with you.

Oh and if you knew your history, if we did not bomb Dresdon, the RAF would have collapse from the relentless German bombing of our airfields and Britain would have LOST (probably).
Hmm?
I'm not sure what you mean - see whether you might have gotten your time-line wrong.

Oh and if you knew your history, if we did not bomb Dresdon, the RAF would have collapse from the relentless German bombing of our airfields and Britain would have LOST (probably).


emmm.... no. Dresden was cold and calculated with no military value whatsoever. It a a punitive raid- vengance unleashed on a civilian population that had nothing to with winning the war.

If anyone is the murderer, it is the their superior and CO with ultimate responsibility, NOT the soldier on the ground following orders.
Thankfully, 'I was just following orders' was deemed as bullshit excuse from Nuremburg onwards. Even the soldiers have a choice- they're not automatoms- they are people wearing uniforms. They can choose to not kill civilians.

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Hmm?
I'm not sure what you mean - see whether you might have gotten your time-line wrong.

Yep very sorry, i was completly out! 1945.

Ok, I agree, that was completly uncalled for, I am sorry for trying to argue otherwise. Its sad what human spite and malice can lead to.

Graham

emmm.... no. Dresden was cold and calculated with no military value whatsoever. It a a punitive raid- vengance unleashed on a civilian population that had nothing to with winning the war.


Thankfully, 'I was just following orders' was deemed as bullshit excuse from Nuremburg onwards. Even the soldiers have a choice- they're not automatoms- they are people wearing uniforms. They can choose to not kill civilians.

Tbh...i don't think many soldiers do CHOOSE to kill civilians, cases are rare and although tragic and disapointing, thankfully the British Army certainly is professional enough not to kill Civilians just cause they are civilians.

But after researching Dresden quickly, I completely agree, it was uncalled for, there was no military value, that was just a shocking piece of military thinking. Not Britains Finest Hour.

Graham

PS This is good website, lots of sources http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWdresden.htm