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Being a socialist, i have often wondered if a communist country would work without hardline inforcement, and whether this would be an evolution or different tree of communism.
also, would communism work in a large society that isnt mainly industrial or agricultural? your thoughts pleased. Oh and awnser my poll so i can see the general political direction of people awnsering the post please.

Yes. And you don't have a poll.

Yes. And you don't have a poll.


like i said in an identical thread, communism can work in small communities of no more say 100 but it doesnt have a chance in countries

like i said in an identical thread, communism can work in small communities of no more say 100 but it doesnt have a chance in countries

Beat me to the punch.

Communism in a large nation is next to impossible. The only reason the Soviet Union lasted so long is because it was a dictatorship.

But, smaller nations or communities could probably pull it off because there is less to maintain and there would most likely be consensus amongst the populace.

Beat me to the punch.

Communism in a large nation is next to impossible. The only reason the Soviet Union lasted so long is because it was a dictatorship.

But, smaller nations or communities could probably pull it off because there is less to maintain and there would most likely be consensus amongst the populace.

That's why you get rid of the nationstate and revolve it around independently administrating communities, see.

There can be no monolithic communist state. You're right, it doesn't work.

but all the little communes of people could voluntarily unite together to do stuff, could they not? so surely communes voluntarily uniting could do the same things as a nation, such as space programs or widescale monorails? makes sense to me.

but all the little communes of people could voluntarily unite together to do stuff, could they not? so surely communes voluntarily uniting could do the same things as a nation, such as space programs or widescale monorails? makes sense to me.
I doubt it, what you talk about sounds like the start of a large national government. These communes might not be able to maintain autonomy if the other communes see fit to overrule or overpower them. What will end up happening is very likely to be alliances between like thinking communes and eventually the establishment of laws to bind the communes together in a large national government.

Its possible on an international scale (ie, the human race uniting). I don't see a communist country ever working, especially when surrounded by capitalism.

Didn't we have this topic yesterday?

For communism to work on a large scale without it being forced onto people (which, as we've seen in the past, doesn't really work anyway), humanity needs to give up its basic instinctual desire -- greed. As that will never happen, neither will communism. There is no such thing as a utopia -- because the second people get everything they want, they will want more. And incidentally, there are no true supporters of communism on this forum either -- otherwise, they wouldn't have wasted their money on computers when there are starving people all over the world, even in their own countries. Everybody has a sense of greed, even if they don't realise it/want to acknowledge it.

You can own a computer and still be an activist. Engels owned a factory and was still a communist.

Whatever helps you sleep.

No it cant, it isnt tenable anyway.

I doubt it, what you talk about sounds like the start of a large national government. These communes might not be able to maintain autonomy if the other communes see fit to overrule or overpower them. What will end up happening is very likely to be alliances between like thinking communes and eventually the establishment of laws to bind the communes together in a large national government.

no it isnt at all. a large national government would force each little town to give oil/plastics to the plan. the communes are free to join and leave the space program or whatever any time. theirs no compulsion to do it. and why would the communes suddlnly beome hiddeously warlike? if theyve all formed communes, and therfore expressed a desire to live like it, they arent going to suddenly decide to become the thing they always hated and start oppressing folk left and right, are they? whereas if an outside power was to start being aggressive, then the communes would band together, create a militia, a la civil war spain (only without moronic republicans and stalinists stopping the peoples militias being armed, resulting in their defeat, grrrr!), and defend themselves. afterwards, they would be unlikely to think that they should remain banded together by permanent laws, as that would mean that their sons/daughters/etc had died in vain.

For communism to work on a large scale without it being forced onto people (which, as we've seen in the past, doesn't really work anyway), humanity needs to give up its basic instinctual desire -- greed. As that will never happen, neither will communism. There is no such thing as a utopia -- because the second people get everything they want, they will want more. And incidentally, there are no true supporters of communism on this forum either -- otherwise, they wouldn't have wasted their money on computers when there are starving people all over the world, even in their own countries. Everybody has a sense of greed, even if they don't realise it/want to acknowledge it.

well, that certainly explains why i saw that man stealing his daughers toys, and kicking her to death when she asked for them back. wait a minute, that never happened... and people dont always want more. for example, right now, im happy with what i have. theirs nothing i want (save communism, but thats hardly the same thing as wanting something). perhaps when people are bombarded with "greed is good" all damn day, and then get to watch a load of adverts deseigned specifically to make people want to buy buy buy buy buy, yes perhaps then they do want to buy some stuff.

and as the guy says, engels had a factory. that arguement makes as much sense as "your not a real communist, your still wearing clothes! theirs people starving in the world, so sell your clothes", which is to say, no sense.

like i said in an identical thread, communism can work in small communities of no more say 100 but it doesnt have a chance in countries

Communism is made of of communities, yes, and a Communist state would utterly fail. However, I don't think you've quite gotten it down.

Communism would actually work quite well in cities.

Totalitarian rule always falls, eventually, and communism is just another human power grab, under a different guise. Until human nature is itself changed, with greed, lust, and a need to control a basic part of our pysche, then communism, or any other antlike submission to a supreme authority, no matter what the structure on earth, is doomed to never be complete, total or last.

Communism isn't possible ...PERIOD. Hardline, softline, or no line.

Humans are not bees.

That type of social interaction will never work...it's been tried with very bad results.