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Any wagers?

23 days, 12 hours, 54 minutes and 13 seconds.

january 23rd i give it till then

ladbrokes gave me nice odds on that for a fiver

How long until we invade Iran? Any wagers?
America's too busy in Iraq. Now that Europe seems to be in agreement about Iran being evil, maybe they should do it. Just 'cause Europe isn't a fan of war, don't think that they couldn't turn Iran into a smoldering wreck if they wanted to.

We invaded around this time last year. The media's been kept quiet about it and told to focus solely on Iraq. When the focus on Iraq was becoming a bad thing and causing drops in support for the President, Rove created a couple of hurricanes in order to take people's minds off of the Middle East.

It should all come out sometime after Christmas when our new Iranian overlords are commanding us to swear allegiance to the Ayatollah.

23 days, 12 hours, 54 minutes and 13 seconds.
Thanks Frank, but it's 28 days, 6 hours, 42 minutes and 12 seconds. That is when the world will end.

Thanks Frank, but it's 28 days, 6 hours, 42 minutes and 12 seconds. That is when the world will end.

I knew someone was going to say something like that, but to be honest, it only occured to me how similar that was to Donnie Darko AFTER I'd posted it. It's my general response when someone asks a question such as that. It has been, even before I saw the film.

But I can see why you said it.

Iran won't be the next we will invade. They actually prolly have WMDs...so we will go for syria..thats my guess...

I was just thinking that today, with the accusations over bombings and even the calls for Iran to be booted out of the UN
Well, with all the trouble that's arising, I'd say sometime between 6 months and 3 years, with my mind thinking probably 12 months time. Conflict with Iran though could potentially cause an apocalpytic situation in some UK or US cities due to nuclear attacks. I live on the outskirts of London, so I'm not looking forward to THAT happening. Oh, and under 2 years most likely for Syria (thought that today too, but forgot about it Oo)

America's too busy in Iraq. Now that Europe seems to be in agreement about Iran being evil, maybe they should do it. Just 'cause Europe isn't a fan of war, don't think that they couldn't turn Iran into a smoldering wreck if they wanted to.


I agree. Iran is going a bit too far, and Europe should take the matter in its own hands, by destroying the nuclear ability they refuse to clearly demonstrate to be civilian only.

I think it's a lot more likely we'll start getting after Syria. It won't be an invasion, but I'll bet a control zone will be established inside their border. Basically move their border back a few klicks. The political heat is already being turned up on Syria via the UN.

They are not playing nicely -- the State Dept. has been making public statements about Syria for months, and the President is now bringing our attention to the issue vis-a-vis the Hariri assassination. Something is going to happen.

Any wagers?

"We"? Well, I don't think we in France have any intention of invading Iran, so I'll have to say "never". :p

Incidentally, I've been hoping the US and Iran end up in the same group in the 2006 World Cup. That would be amusing, and one match I definitely wouldn't want to miss. :D It happened in 1998, and the players of each side offered flowers to the other. I'm wondering whether the atmosphere would still be the same now...

"We"? Well, I don't think we in France have any intention of invading Iran, so I'll have to say "never". :p

Incidentally, I've been hoping the US and Iran end up in the same group in the 2006 World Cup. That would be amusing, and one match I definitely wouldn't want to miss. :D It happened in 1998, and the players of each side offered flowers to the other. I'm wondering whether the atmosphere would still be the same now...

Yeah right, it'd be all ought war:p

Personally, it'll be as soon as Bush intends to withdraw from Iraq, since it'll be a damn sight simpler to relocate in Iran for a few more years:D

"We"? Well, I don't think we in France have any intention of invading Iran, so I'll have to say "never". :p

Incidentally, I've been hoping the US and Iran end up in the same group in the 2006 World Cup. That would be amusing, and one match I definitely wouldn't want to miss. :D It happened in 1998, and the players of each side offered flowers to the other. I'm wondering whether the atmosphere would still be the same now...
We're all out of flowers, but we do have some lovely wreaths made from poison Ivy.

I give it a year, 15 months at most.

I give it a year, 15 months at most.

It'll be before the next presidential elections anyway, and would the US military capacity be able to inavde Iran and occupy Iraq concurrently?

We're etheir going to invade Iran next or North Korea. Korea has more to lose from an American invasion because there neighbors no like them, and I don't think they're the suicide bombing type. The problem is: a lotta nukes. They decide that they can't win and start bombing: apocalspe...same thing could happen in Iran, too.

All jokes aside, I'd support a war against Iran because they blatantly threatened the sovereignty of one of our allies.

It'll be before the next presidential elections anyway, and would the US military capacity be able to inavde Iran and occupy Iraq concurrently?

They probably could, if they do the occupation really half assed. No problem there, then. Of course, they would have a much better shot at UN support for an invasion of Iran, making it a lot less reliant on them as one nation with a few allies.

Iran? What about Syria?:mp5: The Un agrees that they killed that Lebanese guy who's name I can't remember. Well all of the UN except Russia but that's only because their entire gross national profit comes from selling AK-47s to 3rd world countries.

They probably could, if they do the occupation really half assed. No problem there, then. Of course, they would have a much better shot at UN support for an invasion of Iran, making it a lot less reliant on them as one nation with a few allies.

Fair enough, and to be honest, I didn't agree with Iraq, but I'd concur with any invasion of Iran or Korea, and frankly, a Chinese-American war would be awesome, the conclusion the cold war never had.

All jokes aside, I'd support a war against Iran because they blatantly threatened the sovereignty of one of our allies.

Right. Anyone who is a UN member and calls for the extermination of another nation does not deserve to be in it, or has completely ignored the UN's ideology. All this makes you wonder why Israel, for so many years, has been the focus of extremist aggression.

Aside from that, who do you think would launch an offensive against Iran? America? The EU? I don't think America's military is in a shape to invade Iran right now...

Iran? What about Syria?:mp5: The Un agrees that they killed that Lebanese guy who's name I can't remember. Well all of the UN except Russia but that's only because their entire gross national profit comes from selling AK-47s to 3rd world countries.

You sway me most easily with your wise arguments, use of pointless smilies, keen eye for facts and understanding of economics. I for one think you are not ridiculous.:rolleyes:

Fair enough, and to be honest, I didn't agree with Iraq, but I'd concur with any invasion of Iran or Korea, and frankly, a Chinese-American war would be awesome, the conclusion the cold war never had.

A Sino-American war wouldn't be all that great. There have been many previous threads on this, and i think the consensus was that the CHinese would get pwned by the US Navy and Air Force before they could steam roller the American ground forces. Assuming it didn't go nuclear.

An invasion of North Korea would be an incredible gamble. And fairly stupid too.

A Sino-American war wouldn't be all that great. There have been many previous threads on this, and i think the consensus was that the CHinese would get pwned by the US Navy and Air Force before they could steam roller the American ground forces. Assuming it didn't go nuclear.

An invasion of North Korea would be an incredible gamble. And fairly stupid too.

Not if it was conducted properly, with due preparation, and the removal of nucleur facilities with early strikes. As far as the reputation of the US is concerned though, it wouldn't be brilliant.

... frankly, a Chinese-American war would be awesome, the conclusion the cold war never had....fireworks pandemonium...China is Iran biggest ally...so it is defitinely in the cards...

...fireworks pandemonium...China is Iran biggest ally...so it is defitinely in the cards...

You actually believe that China would go to war to stop/retaliate against an invasion of Iran?

You actually believe that China would go to war to stop/retaliate against an invasion of Iran?

I hope so, the world needs a decent old fashioned war.

It is really hard to say which will happen first. If the US did not pussy foot around with minimal force. And commit large amounts of troops like we did in WW2 then Iraq would be well under control. That is the thing with all the attention on the US they cannot use the full force of their military because people will bitch even more about the US being a bully. So we use the bare minimums and an insurgency is giving the strongest military a run around.

Against North Korea? The boomers off the coast would lay waste to every city and government facility before the North Koreans could launch their own weapons against South Korea or China since I doubt they have intercontinental weapons.

Against China? Well in the paper last week it said the General in charge of the nuclear weapons in china said they would not use nukes first if they became engaged in a conflict with the US. But even so the pacific fleet even if the chinese out numbered them would destroy more of the enemy than they would suffer in losses.

I don't think Iran will be invaded by anyone a big bloody war isn't going to happen unless something radical happens

and I know it won't be anytime soon because the west went to war twice in 2years which means another war won't happen for at least 4 years (even bombing disrespecting nations (like when we bombed Iraq) won't happen)

I hope so, the world needs a decent old fashioned war.
You're unlikely to get one of those between two nuclear powers, though.

"We" Sweden, I don't think any time this side of the end of the world.

And with the current situation in Iraq, I doubt even George Bush Jnr would be stupid enough (hmm, actually..) to invade Iran.

Why does everyone assume that it's either invade Iran or do nothing? We could bomb certain sites in Iran, bomb the hell out of the whole country, or we could be really mean and turn the whole thing into plate glass.

You're unlikely to get one of those between two nuclear powers, though.

I might be a hopelessly romantic fool, but h why not have a gentleman's agreement not to use Nukes?

SNIP

but a large scale military conflict will cost far too much if we were fighting for our lives maybe but remember the post war era even America was broke

oh and China attacking America isn't a worry its the fact that they will overrun south east Asia very fast which will leave America with nowhere to attack (China's coastal defence will stop any attempted invasions or any carrier fleets that try some bombing and if we somehow managed to cross Asia those million+ Men will mean nothing will be gained)

So it will be sea vs. land forces and seapower only provides cover

Exactly 96 hours, 47 minutes, and 5 seconds after they do something really, really stupid, like attack israel.

So it will be sea vs. land forces and seapower only provides covermaybe...maybe not.

Any wagers?
I think we should use our ill-advised occupation of Iraq as cover for supporting and arming the next Student Uprising in Iran. The Psycho-Religious adults of today were the Students of the anti-Sha/pro-mullah uprising of the '70s. Let the Kids whack their freaky parents. It's only fair.

I think Bush WILL mention it before the year is through. The invasion will start in spring, maybe earlier.

War? I doubt it. But I think Iran can say bye bye to their shiny new nuclear reactors! B-2 + Guided Missile = Non-nuclear Iran

No one thinks any Americans learned lessons from the Iraqi invasion?

No one thinks any Americans learned lessons from the Iraqi invasion?
Oh, we learned all right! When we say Shock and Awe, we better damn shock and awe them! I'm talking about lighting up the damn skies! Fire and Brimstone, and stuff like that! 140k troops? Screw that, how about 140k guided missiles! We dont need to even step foot on their soil. [rant/]

Blimey, you people are some really arrogant bastards...talking like that about a whole country, who the hell do you think you are? Really, you ought to consider being the least bit empathetic for the peoples of Earth, don't be asking why so many people are anti-US...

You're unlikely to get one of those between two nuclear powers, though.

Not very unlikely. There was one already and there was another almost.

1998 - Kargil war between India and Pak - both nuclear powers.

2002 - India moving strike corps to the border in response to Pakistani terrorists attacking the Indian parliament on Dec 13, 2001. Per accounts, there were two occasions when the army was given orders to get ready to move across the border.

Blimey, you people are some really arrogant bastards...talking like that about a whole country, who the hell do you think you are? Really, you ought to consider being the least bit empathetic for the peoples of Earth, don't be asking why so many people are anti-US...
What? They voted for a guy who wants to "wipe Israel from the Earth"!
Just what would you like us to do? Drop cookie bombs, and hope we melt their hearts? Get real!

Attack it, do a few air strikes etc?
Maybe in the next year or two.

Invade it?
Not for decades if at all. Iran is no pushover, and invading a nation of that size, that actually has the Iranian people's support is just going to be trouble. Like Iraq, just three or four times.

Here is what the US does about Iran:
Step 1: Locate their nuclear facilities
Step 2: Bomb said facilities into oblivion, using B-2s

If Israel did it with F-16s, the US can do it with B-2s.

Alternatively...
Step 1: Locate their nuclear facilities
Step 2: Secretly tell Israel
Step 3: Pretend to condemn Israel when they take out said facilities

I mean, the Israelis have the same justification for taking out the Iranian facilities as they did regarding Saddam's reactor.

If we want to INVADE Iran...

Begin supplying LOTS of guns to the new Iraqi army. Get it built up to pre-Gulf War strength (minus chemical weapons, but maybe plus cruise missiles).
Kill the insurgents (the hard part).
Iraq, US, Britain, maybe Israel all invade Iran. Iraqi troops do the occupation work.

Iraqi troops do the occupation work.
Iran is a lot bigger than Iraq...

That's unpossible.

I might be a hopelessly romantic fool, but h why not have a gentleman's agreement not to use Nukes?

I like the idea of a gentlemen's agreement not to use nukes.

The problem that a war with China means a war with the million plus strong People's Red Army.

As for the Iran thing, I think that Bush would try to gain the UN support. He knows what it is like to have to build a country up from scratch. He would want the world to build Iran up from scratch. Economic sanctions and propoganda might work to get the youth rilled up enough to rebel, but an army would have to overthrow the government

If we want to INVADE Iran...

Begin supplying LOTS of guns to the new Iraqi army. Get it built up to pre-Gulf War strength (minus chemical weapons, but maybe plus cruise missiles).
Kill the insurgents (the hard part).
Iraq, US, Britain, maybe Israel all invade Iran. Iraqi troops do the occupation work.
That's so crazy, it just might work!:eek:

Why does everyone assume that it's either invade Iran or do nothing? We could bomb certain sites in Iran, bomb the hell out of the whole country, or we could be really mean and turn the whole thing into plate glass.
remember that thread "why does america like israel so much?"

well THIS is why. we wont bomb iran, israel will. they will take out their nuclear capabilities. theyve done it before.

we cant invade iran until we institute a draft. and find an extra few hundred billion dollars to pay for it.

it aint gonna happen.

If Iran keeps this up, military intervention will be necessary. It's a shame that the GOP, the PNAC and the Whitehouse is currently in shambles. Just when we needed chickenhawks like Wolfowitz and company to step in and play hard-ball... :rolleyes:

All jokes aside, I'd support a war against Iran because they blatantly threatened the sovereignty of one of our allies.

So did I ... but you don't see Bush knockin' on my door. Shit, man ... I'm anti Bush's biggest friend! I am constantly and vehemently speaking out against the Saudi government.

I mean ... this administration loves Saudi so much that they went to war with an entirely different country than the one that attacked us just to keep from having to go to war with their buddy.

So ... Iran has some nasty things to say about Israel ... ok, fine ... it happens ... many Americans have some nasty things to say about Jews, too ... should be declare war on Alabama?

If Iran keeps this up, military intervention will be necessary.

Yeah ... nothin' sucks more than a sovereign country speaking its mind. :D ;)

Here is what the US does about Iran:
Step 1: Locate their nuclear facilities
Step 2: Bomb said facilities into oblivion, using B-2s


Yep ... it's essential that only White Christians have nuclear weapons ... after all ... we're the only ones who know how to use them ... we have experience, dontcha know.

Yeah ... nothin' sucks more than a sovereign country speaking its mind. :D ;)


Speaking their mind? They declared war on Israel, again. How could Israel NOT be justified in a first strike after being told yet again that they will need to be wiped of the map? :rolleyes:

Yep ... it's essential that only White Christians have nuclear weapons ... after all ... we're the only ones who know how to use them ... we have experience, dontcha know.


India, Pakistan, China... Those damn white Christians! :mad:

India, Pakistan, China... Those damn white Christians! :mad:

That was part of my point, silly.

Speaking their mind? They declared war on Israel, again. How could Israel NOT be justified in a first strike after being told yet again that they will need to be wiped of the map? :rolleyes:

Pre-emptive is never justified. So someone has a gripe ... Iran hasn't actually *done* anything. Iran has also declared war on Western culture, but they haven't *done* anything.

It's rhetoric. It's propoganda. It's been this way for decades, but not one Iranian national flew into the WTC or Pentagon. Not one Iranian national blew up the Federal building in OKC. Not one Iranian national killed American servicemen on the USS Cole. Not one Iranian national blew up British subways or Indonesian night clubs or embassies in Spain.

Who gives a shit what they say? What they do should matter ... or didn't your mama teach you that actions speak louder than words?

When will we invade the USA?:rolleyes:

When will we invade the USA?:rolleyes:

Do you have any idea just how much I would welcome a New Zealand invasion of the US?

Pre-emptive is never justified. So someone has a gripe ... Iran hasn't actually *done* anything. Iran has also declared war on Western culture, but they haven't *done* anything.

It's rhetoric. It's propoganda. It's been this way for decades, but not one Iranian national flew into the WTC or Pentagon. Not one Iranian national blew up the Federal building in OKC. Not one Iranian national killed American servicemen on the USS Cole. Not one Iranian national blew up British subways or Indonesian night clubs or embassies in Spain.

Who gives a shit what they say? What they do should matter ... or didn't your mama teach you that actions speak louder than words?

Though in the past Iran has attacked neutral shipping, and launched missile attacks on kuwait. Possibly that's why people are opposed to them developing nuclear weapons and why they are taking this talk about wiping Isreal off the map seriously. (In contrast to when Idi Amin used to blather on about it, and everyone just ignored him).

When will we invade the USA?:rolleyes:

Well, the US could do with a better cricket and rugby team.

Pre-emptive is never justified. So someone has a gripe ... Iran hasn't actually *done* anything. Iran has also declared war on Western culture, but they haven't *done* anything.

It's rhetoric. It's propoganda. It's been this way for decades, but not one Iranian national flew into the WTC or Pentagon. Not one Iranian national blew up the Federal building in OKC. Not one Iranian national killed American servicemen on the USS Cole. Not one Iranian national blew up British subways or Indonesian night clubs or embassies in Spain.

Who gives a shit what they say? What they do should matter ... or didn't your mama teach you that actions speak louder than words?

I didn't say the US, I said Israel. However, if I might be able to remind you, just this last summer the Iranians were broadcasting pictures of an assembly of 200+ women (and men I think, but women I remember) suicidal bomber pledgees... Training terrorist and arming them and preparing them and sending supplies across the border into Iraq to blow up UK soldiers (if those allegations turn out to be true) ...

This is not propaganda, it's active participation.

The best defense is a good offense, as some say.

Do you have any idea just how much I would welcome a New Zealand invasion of the US?
I think we'd all be confused during the entire occupation.

"What the hell is that flag doing there?"
"Do we have a new President or something?"
"Whatever happened to Condi...? I liked Condi..."
"Hey...someone get that fucking tank out of the way so I can drive my Hummer!"

Do you have any idea just how much I would welcome a New Zealand invasion of the US?
I was talking about me and umm i dont know Hitler's Personel Bodyguard of Two UnDead U.S. Marines.-Do'nt worry it is a vague reference.

My point was Should the U.S. even be considering invading anymore Countries?

Well, the US could do with a better cricket and rugby team.
Well we did wonders with Canada's.

I think we'd all be confused during the entire occupation.

"What the hell is that flag doing there?"
"Do we have a new President or something?"
"Whatever happened to Condi...? I liked Condi..."
"Hey...someone get that fucking tank out of the way so I can drive my Hummer!"


Tanks? New Zealand doesn't have tanks do they? Unless you mean a propane tank or something like that :p


(Actually I have no idea, do they have tanks? Anyone have a picture of one?)

Though in the past Iran has attacked neutral shipping

So has the US ... come on New Zealand ... invade already! I welcome my Kiwi overlords!

(Actually I have no idea, do they have tanks? Anyone have a picture of one?)
No they don't. If they did, they'd likely buy the same as Australia, and that is German Leopards.

I didn't say the US, I said Israel. However, if I might be able to remind you, just this last summer the Iranians were broadcasting pictures of an assembly of 200+ women (and men I think, but women I remember) suicidal bomber pledgees...

But none of them have blown up anything! That's the point!

Train them, fine. Encourage them, even better. Not one of them have actually *done* anything.

It's all rhetoric and propoganda ... come on ... we've dealt with Bush long enough to know the difference. Remember "Shock and Awe"? Turned out to be more like "Poke and Guess", but we all bought into it, didn't we?

If you buy into propoganda, you're exactly what the government wants in a citizen.

I was talking about me and umm i dont know Hitler's Personel Bodyguard of Two UnDead U.S. Marines.-Do'nt worry it is a vague reference.


No no no no no no NO! Bring it! We want you here!

Kiwis need to control the world ... seriously.

So has the US ... come on New Zealand ... invade already! I welcome my Kiwi overlords!

Not intentionally. Unlike Iran. There is a world of difference. Iran is not a particularly good neighbor.

Not intentionally. Unlike Iran. There is a world of difference. Iran is not a particularly good neighbor.
Well, I assume you're talking about the various incidents during the Iraq-Iran War.
I wonder whether there were cases of ships being attacked or confiscated during the Civil War etc...because it certainly wasn't part of everyday Iranian policy to attack random ships.

And Iran is a better neighbour to have than for example Saddam's Iraq was, or even Israel is, considering that it sometimes just so decides to bomb the shit out of your research facilities, or it kinda conquers your hills and doesn't give them back etc

But none of them have blown up anything! That's the point!

Train them, fine. Encourage them, even better. Not one of them have actually *done* anything.


What are you talking about, Iranian stuff and people have been found active in Iraq for over a year. http://www.iranian.ws/cgi-bin/iran_news/exec/view.cgi/2/3237/printer

And currently, the UK forces seem to disagree with you. They seem to think that the Iranians are *doing* something (various things). http://www.almendhar.com/english_6753/news.aspx

Tanks? New Zealand doesn't have tanks do they? Unless you mean a propane tank or something like that :p


(Actually I have no idea, do they have tanks? Anyone have a picture of one?)
I think we have 1 Squadron of Scorpion Tanks(We have them but they are decommisioned or something(basically they are not in use))
http://www.army-technology.com/contractor_images/cmi/cmi1.jpg


No they don't. If they did, they'd likely buy the same as Australia, and that is German Leopards.
I believe Australia has or wants Abrams but i aint to sure....

I believe Australia has or wants Abrams but i aint to sure....
We're both right...
The Australian Army is Australia's military land force. It is part of the Australian Defence Force (ADF) along with the Royal Australian Navy and the Royal Australian Air Force.

The Australian Army is commanded by the Chief of the Army (CA), who is responsible to the Chief of the Defence Force (CDF).

As well as ground troops, approximately 80 Leopard tanks and artillery, it also operates helicopters: Blackhawk, Chinook, and has taken delivery of the first of 22 Eurocopter Tiger Armed Reconnaissance Helicopters (with the last of the UH-1 Iroquois serving with distinction in Aceh for humanitarian relief after 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake before removal from service.) Recently plans have been announced to procure 59 M1A1 tanks.

I think we have 1 Squadron of Scorpion Tanks(We have them but they are decommisioned or something(basically they are not in use))
http://www.army-technology.com/contractor_images/cmi/cmi1.jpg


I believe Australia has or wants Abrams but i aint to sure....


Eww, nice picture. :D But that looks more like mechanized artillery, that's not a tank is it?

We're both right...


Why the hell would anyone order 59 M1A1 Abrams? 50 okay, 55 okay, 60 okay, 69 okay... But why 59? Is it somebody's birthday or something? :D

Eww, nice picture. :D But that looks more like mechanized artillery, that's not a tank is it?
It is it is a Girly Tank.
Small Girly British Tank.
90mm Barrel
Armour=Whats that????

Basically we only use LAVS now
So in summary our Infantry comprising 2 Regular force Batrtalions both severly understrength wouldnt know how to fight against Armour.


We're both right...

Quote:
Originally Posted by wiki
The Australian Army is Australia's military land force. It is part of the Australian Defence Force (ADF) along with the Royal Australian Navy and the Royal Australian Air Force.

The Australian Army is commanded by the Chief of the Army (CA), who is responsible to the Chief of the Defence Force (CDF).

As well as ground troops, approximately 80 Leopard tanks and artillery, it also operates helicopters: Blackhawk, Chinook, and has taken delivery of the first of 22 Eurocopter Tiger Armed Reconnaissance Helicopters (with the last of the UH-1 Iroquois serving with distinction in Aceh for humanitarian relief after 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake before removal from service.) Recently plans have been announced to procure 59 M1A1 tanks.

Yay for everyone being right!

Well, I assume you're talking about the various incidents during the Iraq-Iran War.
I wonder whether there were cases of ships being attacked or confiscated during the Civil War etc...because it certainly wasn't part of everyday Iranian policy to attack random ships.

And Iran is a better neighbour to have than for example Saddam's Iraq was, or even Israel is, considering that it sometimes just so decides to bomb the shit out of your research facilities, or it kinda conquers your hills and doesn't give them back etc

Just because Iraq has been trying to invade Kuwait, Iran, Syria (on and off) and anyone else next to since the late 1950s doesn't excuse launching silkworm missiles at Kuwait, attempting an airstrike on Saudi Arabia or trying to seize the headwaters of the Persian Gulf (which they attempted in 1975).

For that matter, I wouldn't care to share a land border with Isreal either.

I am just saying, that you can't laugh off what the Iranian leadership says as mere bluster like you could with Idi Amin's Uganda. Not that Iran is the most evil nation on the planet. (that would be switzerland:eek:)

Yay for everyone being right!
Although 139 tanks is pretty small.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heer#Current_Heer
Sometimes I think I should go back to Germany and do my year of service afterall, just so I get to drive one about...

It is it is a Girly Tank.
Small Girly British Tank.
90mm Barrel
Armour=Whats that????


Girly British Tank?? WTF. It's a light tank from the seventies is all, meant for use with scout groups and airborne forces.

Just 'cos you didn't want to pay for real tanks :rolleyes: .

A full scale invasion is highly unlikely any time soon, if ever, for a wide variety of reasons.

First and foremost, it isn't the best way to achieve the primary US goal of preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons.

Secondly, it's a poor way of achieving the (questionable) goal of regime change.

Third, the US is not in a position to realistically undertake such a large war. To compare it with Iraq:

Iran is larger in both population (about two and a half times)and area (more than 3 times) than Iraq.

The Iraninan military, while not outstanding, is certainly not beaten down to the paste that Iraq's was. While the US would almost certainly end up beating the hell out of the Iraninan military, it would be much more costly to do so.

The US military is stretching to accomplish the occupation of Iraq. The US simply doesn't have the capacity to put large numbers of boots on the ground for the purposes of regime change or disarming Iran. (This would change if, for example, Iran clearly strongly attacked the US militarily or via terrorists, a la 9/11.)

A series of raids in conjunction with air strikes, and in co-operation with Israel is realistically what's probably going to happen eventually. .

Tanks? New Zealand doesn't have tanks do they? Unless you mean a propane tank or something like that :p


(Actually I have no idea, do they have tanks? Anyone have a picture of one?)
No they don't. If they did, they'd likely buy the same as Australia, and that is German Leopards.

My first thought on reading that was "BS! NZ surely must have at least an armored battalion or two, even if they use old Leopard 1s!"

But no! The heaviest vehicle in inventory is the NZLAV. :eek:

None of this matters anymore ... where are my Kiwi Overlords?!

Oh my god...I so much hope that at least some of you can read German.
Goddamit, why can't Die Zeit translate its stuff, like Der Spiegel.

Anyways, this is probably the best newspaper piece about Iran I have ever seen - and you people can't read it.

http://www.zeit.de/2005/27/Iran_2fWahl

:(

Oh my god...I so much hope that at least some of you can read German.

NO! German will not matter when we accept our Kiwi Overlords. :p

Eww, nice picture. :D But that looks more like mechanized artillery, that's not a tank is it?

Depends on what you mean by "tank". The Scorpion is generally classed either as a light tank or a recconaissance vehicle. But most people mean an MBT when they say "tank" these days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpion_(tank)

Yeah ... nothin' sucks more than a sovereign country speaking its mind. :D ;)I do the see the oportunity for humor allthough I do not wish to seize it.

A country speaking their minds is one thing. If they follow up on what their president has just said, then a mass military intervention dwarfing what went on in Iraq will be necessary.

If they can learn to sit at a table, speak and negotiate with people across from them, then maybe a diplomatic solution can be achieved within the UN.
If they can't learn, I personally feel we should send that president and that regime and anybody who would take up arms to support them... all to allah.

Why the hell would anyone order 59 M1A1 Abrams? 50 okay, 55 okay, 60 okay, 69 okay... But why 59? Is it somebody's birthday or something? :D

The 59 aren't NEW tanks, they are reconditioned tanks from the US Army.
We recently seem to be getting reconditioned stuff from the USA lately.

Although 139 tanks is pretty small.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heer#Current_Heer
Sometimes I think I should go back to Germany and do my year of service afterall, just so I get to drive one about...You should be in top physical condition if you want to. They're not bothering with T-3s anymore and I've heard of a couple T-2s not getting taken either.

What? They voted for a guy who wants to "wipe Israel from the Earth"!
Just what would you like us to do? Drop cookie bombs, and hope we melt their hearts? Get real!Who told you WE need to do something about it?

Why the hell would anyone order 59 M1A1 Abrams? 50 okay, 55 okay, 60 okay, 69 okay... But why 59? Is it somebody's birthday or something? :D

The ordering of the Abrams has been controversial here. They're too large & heavy for the bridges that the engineering corps have, they're considered unsuitable for the terrain in which they're likely to be deployed (ie close quarters/jungle type combat) & they're much more expensive than the British or European competition. As I understand it, the main reason they've been chosed is because they're compatable with our main ally, the USA.