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How many people here voted for Bush at some time but now think they made a mistake? What was the straw that broke the camel's back?

If you still support him and his administration, what will it take or you to change your mind?

Just curious to see whose mind has changed and why.

The question should be the other way around.. anti-Bush folks, excited about the next 3+ years? :)

I am, because we'll still have power after '06, possibly more, although possibly slightly less.. enough, either way. Meanwhile, we have Bush appointing our judges to circuit courts and possibly another to the Supreme Court (well, two, if he has to take a mulligan on the Miers deal). That'd be a failure of course, but versus a Kerry appointee? I'll take it.

I also continue to appreciate the tax cut, naturally.. and I know Bush's pick to head the Fed isn't some loony, regardless his stance on inflation. So I'm still more than satisfied with Bush.

Don't count your Senate and House seats before they have been won. There has been large scale Republican scandel and the Democrats have recruited the best candidates and have more money in the Party bank account. The Republicans have a sortage of good candidates at present (for some reason no one wants to run in 06).

In the mean-time it looks like the investigations into wrong doing will continue, and if the Democrats win the Senate Majority there could possibly be impeachment. Meanwhile Bush may lose his political team...

As far as I am concerned Mr. Bush will be a lame duck (if he not already) by the start of next year.

Don't count your Senate and House seats before they have been won.

Yes, it was a prediction. I claim no psychic ability.. we whine every election cycle about how our Dream Candidates wouldn't commit to running for office, and how we coulda won if some media darling had run instead of _______. But we keep on picking up seats, every cycle for a decade or so now, so I'll wait for '06 with some enthusiasm.

You forget that NO party has ever won the mid-terms after a successful second term presidential re-election (not even FDR). History is not on your side. Plus the Republicans are the ones in power (in other words everything bad that has happened is their fault). The Republicans will lose seats, that is inevitable. The only question is how many.

Also Bush no longer has any coat tails, his fellow Republicans will be running away from him (and his low 40% approval rating; although Congresses is even lower). With Bush's approvel rating amoung African Americans at 2% (Katrina), all the "out-reach" of the last five years has been erased.

You forget that NO party has ever won the mid-terms after a successful second term presidential re-election (not even FDR). History is not on your side. Plus the Republicans are the ones in power (in other words everything bad that has happened is their fault). The Republicans will lose seats, that is inevitable. The only question is how many.

Well, I can't agree there, but that's a valid opinion I'm sure. Kinda tangential to the topic, but that's my fault. Regardless what goes on in Congress, I'm satisfied with the Executive branch for the time being.. I'd be a bit happier if they actually follow through on their immigration reform promises, but it's not like Kerry would've done anything, so even if Bush does nothing, I won't regret having voted for him.

Right. Republicans will lose seats.

Keep dreaming, folks.

Also Bush no longer has any coat tails, his fellow Republicans will be running away from him (and his low 40% approval rating; although Congresses is even lower). With Bush's approvel rating amoung African Americans at 2% (Katrina), all the "out-reach" of the last five years has been erased.

Bush's major gains were among Hispanics, not Blacks.. the best he could get out of blacks would be someplace near 8 or 9%, so that's no major loss. Hispanics are the major force in the swing states, with blacks mostly concentrated in core Democrat states like CA and IL, or in the South, which is GOP-controlled from cover to cover. So we'll see what a loss in the black vote, if it happens, does.

Right. Republicans will lose seats.

Keep dreaming, folks.

Santorum's seat is already all but taken, just to give one example. Tom Delays seat is also open (last election he won with only 55% of the vote, before being charged with money laundering), to give another.

I look forward to the 06 race and the "Remember Katerina" banners.

The latest quote from Mr. Brown's office. In response to an email warning that food and water were past critical they wrote "It is very important that time is allowed for Mr. Brown to eat dinner." After he ate his dinner he took his normal after dinner jig upon the skulls of peasants!

Bush's major gains were among Hispanics, not Blacks.. the best he could get out of blacks would be someplace near 8 or 9%, so that's no major loss. Hispanics are the major force in the swing states, with blacks mostly concentrated in core Democrat states like CA and IL, or in the South, which is GOP-controlled from cover to cover. So we'll see what a loss in the black vote, if it happens, does.

You don't think Hispanics have been effected? I don't have the relavent statistics in that regard so I can't comment (however part of the reason for Mr. Bush's gains was the fact Kerry ran a lousy campain when it came to reaching out to them; they won't make that mistake again).

You don't think Hispanics have been effected? I don't have the relavent statistics in that regard so I can't comment (however part of the reason for Mr. Bush's gains was the fact Kerry ran a lousy campain when it came to reaching out to them; they won't make that mistake again).

The 2% number from the polls taken immediately after Katrina was a black phenomenon.. the opinion that lack of preparation by the government was a kind of racist plot exists among blacks, not Hispanics. The remainder of the population doesn't normally buy into that line of reasoning.. Bush's approval among Hispanics probably dipped immediately afterward by the same proportion that it did among whites, but it'll rebound with time. But don't think Hispanics buy into the racist conspiracy, because they don't care about Blacks to begin with, not a whit.

I voted for Bush, but never really cared for him. I thought Kerry seemed just is bad or worse. Though it would have helped if Kerry would have told us what he stood for. All I knew was he was pro-choice.

Anyway as I keep saying the main reason why I voted for Bush is to get conservatives in the Supreme Court. I was a little concerned I made a mistake when I saw who he made UN Ambasader and who he made Atorney General. But I think it paid off. Roberts seems like an excellent choice for the SCOTUS. Miers doesn't seem as qualified, but doesn't seem likely to legislate from the bench either which is the biggest thing I worry about when putting liberals in there.

Even though his first appointment to the SCOTUS was excellent I still worry I made a mistake. Something I will never forgive him for is some of his statements after Katrina. One that really stands out to me was after upseting me with a bunch of excusses that the federal goverment can't go into New Orleans because of local goverment he says, "We never thought the levies were going to break." I know he is an idiot, but is he even paying attention? For several days before the storm everyone was saying that the levies were barely adequate for a catagory 3. There was a ton of literature out there saying the levies would break. Not to mention the 24 hour news networks were talking about the levies breaking. To be so ignorant and slow and put all those people in jeopardy. Bush is partly responsible for the lives lost in Katrina.

The 2% number from the polls taken immediately after Katrina was a black phenomenon.. the opinion that lack of preparation by the government was a kind of racist plot exists among blacks, not Hispanics. The remainder of the population doesn't normally buy into that line of reasoning.. Bush's approval among Hispanics probably dipped immediately afterward by the same proportion that it did among whites, but it'll rebound with time. But don't think Hispanics buy into the racist conspiracy, because they don't care about Blacks to begin with, not a whit.

That is complete hog wash, the idea that they will not care about fellow human beings. And while there are those who think Katrina was a racist plot, they are not the majority. The response to Katrina was a mismanaged affair led by a former Arabian horse judge (Bush stayed on vacation even after the storm hit). The dozens of precautions that could have been taken by the Federal government were ignored. And next years hurricane season is expected to be worse by most experts.

I'm routinely amazed that, even as the Republican Party is imploding, people think that Kerry would have been the worse choice to make in 04.
What's wrong with having things like Health Care, Environment, and International Relations as a platform? Those -are- things that needed to be addressed. And it's not like Kerry would have pulled out of Iraq - he knew fully well that Bush would be handing down an insoluble problem.
I can understand where the people are coming from. Even though I'm not an American, I followed the US elections as a Democrat, watched the debates as a Democrat with some fairly left-wing ideas, and still came out wanting to see Bush win since I just felt Kerry was wrong. Bush was just way more personable.
I wonder if I, or most Americans, would have felt that way if the politics of the election weren't so aggressive, and if the speeches weren't just soundbite speeches.

I'm routinely amazed that, even as the Republican Party is imploding, people think that Kerry would have been the worse choice to make in 04.
What's wrong with having things like Health Care, Environment, and International Relations as a platform? Those -are- things that needed to be addressed. And it's not like Kerry would have pulled out of Iraq - he knew fully well that Bush would be handing down an insoluble problem.
I can understand where the people are coming from. Even though I'm not an American, I followed the US elections as a Democrat, watched the debates as a Democrat with some fairly left-wing ideas, and still came out wanting to see Bush win since I just felt Kerry was wrong. Bush was just way more personable.
I wonder if I, or most Americans, would have felt that way if the politics of the election weren't so aggressive, and if the speeches weren't just soundbite speeches.

I voted for Kerry (along with my entire family) and would do so again. He would have been a good President, not great, but good.

In response to an email warning that food and water were past critical they wrote "It is very important that time be allowed for Mr. Brown to eat dinner."

Whoops. Mind, it's not like this matters much; with partisanism currently so strong the same people who sought Clinton's impeachment on grounds of perjury (Sen. Hutchinson, in particular) could dare say they would hate to see an indictment on "some perjury technicality where they couldn't indict on the crime and so they go to something just to show that their two years of investigation was [sic] not a waste of time and taxpayer dollars" it seems that little could shock the American people anymore about the arrogance of their ruling class. Eventually, people come to accept that many politicians are corrupt, wicked people, and it's a tragedy when they do, because the scandals become meaningless then.

That is complete hog wash, the idea that they will not care about fellow human beings. And while there are those who think Katrina was a racist plot, they are not the majority.

I'm saying that Hispanics aren't dragged along by the same tropes and sentiments that black voters are.. not that Hispanics don't care about human life, but that they didn't and won't join in the outrage. This can be proved with a simple opinion poll if conducted properly - when an authoritative one emerges, I think we'll see that plainly. I also think you're underestimating the number of blacks who buy into the racist conspiracy, but that's even more difficult to prove.. no significant number of people will admit to believing it.

I'm saying that Hispanics aren't dragged along by the same tropes and sentiments that black voters are.. not that Hispanics don't care about human life, but that they didn't and won't join in the outrage. This can be proved with a simple opinion poll if conducted properly - when an authoritative one emerges, I think we'll see that plainly. I also think you're underestimating the number of blacks who buy into the racist conspiracy, but that's even more difficult to prove.. no significant number of people will admit to believing it.

Define "outrage"?

Your also not taking into account how immigration will play into the next election (the broken border promises to be a huge issue).

Whoops. Mind, it's not like this matters much; with partisanism currently so strong the same people who sought Clinton's impeachment on grounds of perjury (Sen. Hutchinson, in particular) could dare say they would hate to see an indictment on "some perjury technicality where they couldn't indict on the crime and so they go to something just to show that their two years of investigation was [sic] not a waste of time and taxpayer dollars" it seems that little could shock the American people anymore about the arrogance of their ruling class. Eventually, people come to accept that many politicians are corrupt, wicked people, and it's a tragedy when they do, because the scandals become meaningless then.

Senator Hutchinson in particular? I think you mean "Senator Hutchinson."

Define "outrage"?

Your also not taking into account how immigration will play into the next election (the broken border promises to be a huge issue).

I can't really speculate on immigration until I know how Bush is going to come down on the issue.. Like I posted earlier, I have no idea whether he's going to commit to the new, tougher position, or let things slide again. Either way, Hispanic voters aren't necessarily libertarian on border issues.. half of Hispanics voted for Prop 200 in Arizona, which took away some entitlements previously given to illegals, for example. But right now, I have no clue where Bush is going to go, or what angle he'll take selling his view.

I can't really speculate on immigration until I know how Bush is going to come down on the issue.. Like I posted earlier, I have no idea whether he's going to commit to the new, tougher position, or let things slide again. Either way, Hispanic voters aren't necessarily libertarian on border issues.. half of Hispanics voted for Prop 200 in Arizona, which took away some entitlements previously given to illegals, for example. But right now, I have no clue where Bush is going to go, or what angle he'll take selling his view.

He is going to do nothing, same with his Social Security "reforms". Unless it has immediate political benefit and lacks wide-spread opposition he won't touch it now. As I said earlier he is a lame duck or rapidly becoming one.

The 2% number from the polls taken immediately after Katrina was a black phenomenon.. the opinion that lack of preparation by the government was a kind of racist plot exists among blacks, not Hispanics. The remainder of the population doesn't normally buy into that line of reasoning.. Bush's approval among Hispanics probably dipped immediately afterward by the same proportion that it did among whites, but it'll rebound with time. But don't think Hispanics buy into the racist conspiracy, because they don't care about Blacks to begin with, not a whit.

Sweet. You managed to generalise (in a rather demeaning way, I might add)about two different races. If it's racist people like you supporting Bush, no wonder he can use 'Yee-haw!' as a foreign policy.

Sweet. You managed to generalise (in a rather demeaning way, I might add)about two different races. If it's racist people like you supporting Bush, no wonder he can use 'Yee-haw!' as a foreign policy.

de·mog·ra·phy (n.)

The study of the characteristics of human populations, such as size, growth, density, distribution, and vital statistics

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My conclusions based on demographic studies are based on the studies, nothing else. I wasn't taking a normative position, suggesting how either group "should," see things, only presenting how demographically, they normally do, and did after the hurricane. If every attempt at demography looks like racism to you, stay out of Political Science or Economics, whatever you do. I'd hate to see you get offended. :(

Edit: It's 5:30, which means I've been up 24 hours.. g'night for now, everyone. :)

Pepe, can't you see by now that the tax cuts are snake oil? Whatever savings you're making there (unless you are personally very wealthy,) are more than swallowed up by the rising costs of living. The rampant spending also means that that money is going to have to be paid back. It's a credit card scam, man!

Anyway, you failed to answer the question I posed. What will it take for you to falter in your support for Bush?

Don't count your Senate and House seats before they have been won. There has been large scale Republican scandel and the Democrats have recruited the best candidates and have more money in the Party bank account. The Republicans have a sortage of good candidates at present (for some reason no one wants to run in 06).
Bah! The petty Republicrats stand no chance against the LP!

How many people here voted for Bush at some time but now think they made a mistake? What was the straw that broke the camel's back?

If you still support him and his administration, what will it take or you to change your mind?

Just curious to see whose mind has changed and why.

Haven't changed my mind. I feel that if we had elected Kerry or Gore, things would be far worse.

If you put a plank in the Democratic Party platform that says they will work at all levels to enshrine the Second Amendment as an individual right, and work for a "shall issue" Federal concealed carry permit good in all 50 states, and eliminate the National Firearms Act of 1934, and eliminate the Gun Control Act of 1968, and eliminate the Brady bill, sure I'll vote Democratic.

Until then, don't get your hopes up.

Pepe, can't you see by now that the tax cuts are snake oil? Whatever savings you're making there (unless you are personally very wealthy,) are more than swallowed up by the rising costs of living. The rampant spending also means that that money is going to have to be paid back. It's a credit card scam, man!

Anyway, you failed to answer the question I posed. What will it take for you to falter in your support for Bush?
The tax cuts aren't what's driving up inflation. Can you spell Energy?

On another note, there is a great poll done by a Democratic and a Repulican strategist. It only polls likely voters, which is something the network polls seem to think is unimportant. It's a pretty substantial bunch of stuff, but the gist is that,
1. People think the country is headed in the wrong direction,
2. Bush is not doing a good job as President,
3. Bush is still well liked, personally (2-1 margin on that)
4. Republicans are still viewed as stronger on foreign policy, homeland defense.

But, while the Democrats have succeeded in casting the Presidency in a bad light, they have failed to capitalize on it by promoting any agenda other than "Republicans are bad".

Read the results at http://www.tarrance.com/battleground.html

How many people here voted for Bush at some time but now think they made a mistake? What was the straw that broke the camel's back?

If you still support him and his administration, what will it take or you to change your mind?

Just curious to see whose mind has changed and why.
not to that point yet. I never did really like him, but really didn't like Gore or Kerry so I feel I made the best choice I could. I am not "tired" of him yet. I am trying to not focus on things I have no control over. I hope we get better candidates next time around though (but I doubt it)

I'm happy to say that I didn't vote for Asshat, or Douchbag either.
Deomocrats, I feel confident in saying we wouldn't have had it much better if your Dou... I mean candidate had won, either.

If you put a plank in the Democratic Party platform that says they will work at all levels to enshrine the Second Amendment as an individual right, and work for a "shall issue" Federal concealed carry permit good in all 50 states, and eliminate the National Firearms Act of 1934, and eliminate the Gun Control Act of 1968, and eliminate the Brady bill, sure I'll vote Democratic.


You do realise that the Republicans, even though they've had the majority power in all three branches of the US government for some time now, haven't done that either ....

I'm happy to say that I didn't vote for Asshat, or Douchbag either.
Deomocrats, I feel confident in saying we wouldn't have had it much better if your Dou... I mean candidate had won, either.
Reminds me of this (http://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/article/650/650185/family-guy-presents-stewie-griffin-the-untold-story-20050912024053262-000.jpg) little pic (hope ya enjoy Family Guy) :D

Haven't changed my mind. I feel that if we had elected Kerry or Gore, things would be far worse.

If you put a plank in the Democratic Party platform that says they will work at all levels to enshrine the Second Amendment as an individual right, and work for a "shall issue" Federal concealed carry permit good in all 50 states, and eliminate the National Firearms Act of 1934, and eliminate the Gun Control Act of 1968, and eliminate the Brady bill, sure I'll vote Democratic.

Until then, don't get your hopes up.

Even a rabid anti-gun nut in office as President (if he were able to get elected) isn't going to pry the gun out of your cold dead hands. Even a pro gun, ra ra military Republican type with an extremely friendly congress (especially after 9-11) was not able to do the things regarding guns that you
wanted. Therefore, if you were at all an even remotely rational person, you'd turn your emphasis towards little things like---oh, I don't know---competence. Bush and his administration has been incompetent. Their ideas have failed to work in a congress that was at one point willing to bend over for Bush. Their cronies have been entirely ineffective and in many cases ares till on the job (Brownie.) Your own party can't do what you want, so at least you should CONSIDER looking at alternatives.

I'm happy to say that I didn't vote for Asshat, or Douchbag either.
Deomocrats, I feel confident in saying we wouldn't have had it much better if your Dou... I mean candidate had won, either.

GOre, I think, would have done a fine job. Kerry, I'm now convinced, lacked the agressiveness to do the job (though he still would have done a much better job than Bush.)

The vast majority of the people I know who voted for Bush did so only because they perceived him as "the lesser of two evils." Many of them have subsequently expressed regret over their choice.

Gore-Feingold 2008 or Feingold-McCain 2008 will be just fine thank you very much. :D

i wonder what would happen if they did add the "none of the above" box to the elections....coupled with compulsive voting? i think it would stop bad elections with two lame candidates from happening again...

The fact that a man of Bush's intelect and ineptitude can become president of the united states does not do any credit for the US for the gop, for the democratic party, or for democracy itself.

But then again one could argue that the US isn't a true representative democracy.

Pepe, can't you see by now that the tax cuts are snake oil? Whatever savings you're making there (unless you are personally very wealthy,) are more than swallowed up by the rising costs of living. The rampant spending also means that that money is going to have to be paid back. It's a credit card scam, man!

Anyway, you failed to answer the question I posed. What will it take for you to falter in your support for Bush?

Yeah, I'm pretty wealthy.. I earn $7.75 an hour as a butcher, but I also grow $100 worth of figs on my fig tree twice a year.. just don't tell the government about my illicit income. :p

Anyhow, I still enjoy the lower tax rate, even if California isn't the best place to enjoy it.. inflation is the norm here, and the State whines to holy hell every time their funding isn't what they want.. I'm sure they'll pass the tax on to me somehow.. but I still agree with the policy, even if only 2/3 of states or so kept their state taxes at the same rate when the federal dipped. How the cut affected inflation, on the other hand, I have no idea.. I was only an econ major for eight months or so.

So, to address the question, I suppose that after the whole Miers mess cleared itself up today, I'd be pretty pissed at Bush if he went and nominated another potential Justice of the same quality, rather than an actual conservative with a track record.. If he goes and nominates another "stealth" candidate, I may just have to keep my RNC donation in my pocket this year, as paltry as it is. That knock him down a peg in my mind.. Aside from that, he could blow the immigration issue by doing nothing, or commit some political gaffe that costs the entire Party.. but that'd have to be something pretty serious.. Hopefully with Karl Rove off the hook, he'll continue to get good advice and stay clean of those things.. hopefully. :)

I want President Jeb Bush in 2008.

Either you really are cuban or you're an american masochist. :D

Good. Then we know for a fact that you support party over country. Enjoy. The tax cut means that a greater percentage of the taxes you are now paying is being used to simply pay off interest on the loans our country has taken out. So, instead of paying taxes to the US, you are, in effect, paying taxes to China. You are supporting the Chinese government at the expense of the US through your support of the Republican party.

Good. Then we know for a fact that you support party over country. Enjoy. The tax cut means that a greater percentage of the taxes you are now paying is being used to simply pay off interest on the loans our country has taken out. So, instead of paying taxes to the US, you are, in effect, paying taxes to China. You are supporting the Chinese government at the expense of the US through your support of the Republican party.

Wow, just wow.

That is so bizzare. What "loans" has the country taken out? You do know that the deficit is financed through bonds, right?

Either you really are cuban or you're an american masochist. :D
I think that Jeb Bush would make quite a charming dominatrix. (Can dominatrix be applied to men? I'd Google but I don't know if my mind is prepared enough at this point in the night)

Good. Then we know for a fact that you support party over country. Enjoy. The tax cut means that a greater percentage of the taxes you are now paying is being used to simply pay off interest on the loans our country has taken out. So, instead of paying taxes to the US, you are, in effect, paying taxes to China. You are supporting the Chinese government at the expense of the US through your support of the Republican party.

The theory behind tax cuts doesn't set out to collect fewer tax dollars.. it seeks to grow the tax base by stimulating the economy.. giving the average consumer some of their money back to re-enter the economy via spending, and to give relief to small businesses. Ideally, the lower tax rate may result in higher tax revenue in the end.. I support it for that reason, as a former small business manager, not simply for the extra spending money, although I enjoy both.

I think that Jeb Bush would make quite a charming dominatrix. (Can dominatrix be applied to men? I'd Google but I don't know if my mind is prepared enough at this point in the night)

The latin would be "dominator." Same deal. Like aviator and aviatrix.

I think the problem with a lot of the people that can't understand why someone would vote for Bush and continue to think he is better then Kerry is because they lack imagination. Everyone keeps whining that it can't get any worse. Anyone has to be better then Bush they say. iIt may be hard for some, but I can imagine things being much worse then they are now. And there is no basis for people to have confidence that Kerry would be better (though there isn't much basis to say he would have been worse either).

Now time for my rant:

This whole election has left a permently bitter tast in my mouth. It was all about hatred. People weren't just choosing the lesser of two evils. They were being encouraged to hate the other canidate. People didn't vote for the canidate they wanted, they voted against the canidate they hated. And you would think this whole thing would get better now that the elections are over, but no it's gotten worse. All I hear are people attacking the red states. Calling them all ignorant and stupid. Saying they are all dumb rednecks that watch NASCAR. They are all stupid fundamentalist Christians is what I hear. But then the Right basically has it in for homosexuals. Let some people get their way and they would enact laws punishing them by stoneing.

So overall we aren't given many options. If you are an evangelical Christian why would you vote for the party that seems to have it in for you. It doesn't matter how incompetant the Republican canidate may be you are going to vote for him. Even if you agree with the Democrats policies, they say you are the root of the problem and want to rid the world of you scum. Why vote for such people?

If you are homosexual why on earth would you vote Republican? They say it is you that you are an evil influence on society and are souly responsible for the downward spiral of morals in the US.

We have let ourselves become brainwashed and manipulated by the two dominant political parties. Their politics are about hate. Their ideas are about destroying what they don't like instead of building up what they do like. Our anger should not be directed at those who voted one way or another but at our political leaders (both Democrat and Republican).

Either you really are cuban or you're an american masochist. :D

Please read my post, I am a native born Cuban.

A relative of mine who emigrated legally to the USA a few months ago
says to go back to Cuba with Fidel Castro, ni loca (litterally translated)
not even crazy.

Another relative 2 Cuban brothers who happen to be doctors, one came about a year ago on a raft across 90 miles of shark infested waters, he now
works at a clinic doing as much doctor related work as possible, while studying english so he can become a fully licensed doctor in the USA.

His younger brother in Cuba also a doctor is trying to flee Cuba legally or illegally but his older brother dosent want him to leave the way he did.

I can go on and on with exsamples but this will do for now.

46 years soon to be 47 years is long enough.

I fear any democrat in the White House, even though a Republican might
normalize relations anyway without any conditions on the part of the dictatorship government that refuses to change its ways despite begging
from Latin American and European nations that continue to trade and dialogue.



You are welcomed to telegram me and we will exchange a nice telegram
on the subject even if we have diffrences on the subject.

I fear any democrat in the White House, even though a Republican might
normalize relations anyway without any conditions on the part of the dictatorship government that refuses to change its ways despite begging
from Latin American and European nations that continue to trade and dialogue.

Well ... hate to tell you this ... but the current Republican regime hates immigrants, legal or otherwise. I suggest backing a different horse than the Bush clan because with them, if you're not Arab, you're not shit.

I could not have voted for Kerry. I continue to hold him in low regard. Ergo Bush.

This reminds me of John Kerry:


He skillfully avoided what was wrong


Without saying what was right,


And never let his on the one hand


Know what his on the other hand was doing.

a Canadian poet 5 decades ago

Well ... hate to tell you this ... but the current Republican regime hates immigrants, legal or otherwise. I suggest backing a different horse than the Bush clan because with them, if you're not Arab, you're not shit.
You're silly.