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uh, yeah. Why not? It's unconstitutional anyway-since the congress is
supposed to keep an account of all monies spent and the cia's budget
is secret. Oh, did we mention it's immoral track record?


Abolish the CIA!
By Chalmers Johnson
TomDispatch.com

Friday 05 November 2004




Steve Coll ends his important book on Afghanistan by quoting Afghan President Hamid Karzai: "What an unlucky country." Americans might find this a convenient way to ignore what their government did in Afghanistan between 1979 and the present, but luck had nothing to do with it. Brutal, incompetent, secret operations of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, frequently manipulated by the military intelligence agencies of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, caused the catastrophic devastation of this poor country. On the evidence contained in Coll's book "Ghost Wars," neither the Americans nor their victims in numerous Muslim and Third World countries will ever know peace until the Central Intelligence Agency has been abolished.

It should by now be generally accepted that the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan on Christmas Eve 1979 was deliberately provoked by the United States. In his memoir published in 1996, the former CIA director Robert Gates made it clear that the American intelligence services began to aid the mujahidin guerrillas not after the Soviet invasion, but six months before it. In an interview two years later with Le Nouvel Observateur, President Carter's national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski proudly confirmed Gates' assertion. "According to the official version of history," Brzezinski said, "CIA aid to the mujahidin began during 1980, that's to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan. But the reality, kept secret until now, is completely different: on 3 July 1979 President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And on the same day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained that in my opinion this aid would lead to a Soviet military intervention."


http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/110604K.shtml



Chalmers Johnson's latest books are "Blowback" (Metropolitan, 2000) and "The Sorrows of Empire" (Metropolitan, 2004), the first two volumes in a trilogy on American imperial policies. The final volume is now being written. From1967 to 1973, Johnson served as a consultant to the CIA's Office of National Estimates.
(plus although working/studying at Berkley, was not involved in any way
in protests against Vietnam. At that time he believed in the mythology)

Maybe it's not that we should get rid of the CIA, but that we should be more circumspect in the ways in which it is employed.

It has had its successes, but mostly in intelligence gathering (but not of late).

You'll notice that the CIA involvement in Afghanistan was not something they just ran off and did on their own. According to the article you cite, it was ordered by President Carter.

So, should we eliminate the Democratic Party, because it nominates Presidents who get us into 25 year disasters of incredible proportions? Men who start clandestine wars against other major powers without any provocation (show me where Carter had the provocation from the USSR to step into Afghanistan six months beforehand).

In fact, if I read that article you posted correctly, then I can say:

1. A Democratic President (JFK) got us into the Vietnam War. A Republican President fought for a while at the end, and then got us out.

2. A Democratic President (Carter) kicked off the whole Afghanistan thing with no provocation - which led to the initial war in Afghanistan, which led to the founding of al-Qaeda and the rise of Bin Laden - which led to the 9-11 attacks - which led to a Republican President invading Afghanistan to straighten things out.

Cut me a few more articles, and I'll have the Iraq War blamed on a Democratic President as well (well, it is a fact that the first person to advocate for forcible regime change WAS Madeleine Albright).

Cut me a few more articles, and I'll have the Iraq War blamed on a Democratic President as well (well, it is a fact that the first person to advocate for forcible regime change WAS Madeleine Albright).



That's what I thought for years as well.
(although I have been aware that the first gulf war was about oil)
As I'm no fan of either party.

But it was in fact Bush Sr. I was to find out (reminded? maybe i heard this before? I forget)


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http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/21/144258
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The fact that in April 1991, the United States helps draft and then votes in favor of a Chapter 7, Resolution 687, that creates the weapons inspections, call upon Iraq to disarm and in Paragraph 14 says if Iraq complies, economic sanctions will be lifted. This is the law.

A few months later, the President, George Herbert Walker Bush, and his Secretary of State say economic sanctions will never be lifted against Iraq, even if they comply with their obligation to disarm, until which time Saddam Hussein is removed from power. It's the stated policy of the United States government.
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What we weren't quite aware of is just to what extreme they would go in undermining the credibility and integrity of the United Nations inspection process to achieve this objective.





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for more enjoyment
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Seymour Hersh and Scott Ritter on Iraq, WMDs and the Role of the Clinton Administration in the 1990s
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/21/145202



****
back to the CIA,
in its charter there is a clause.
#5 or the last one or something
that states something like: 'and do other
things as necessary for the national security of the us'
THAT is where all the covert-ops, subverting elections, assassinations,
arming thugs, rebel groups, paramilitaries, i.e. terrorists, planting propaganda
in foreign press, etc.... comes from.
All this highly immoral stuff is the essence of the CIA.

As noted by Johnson, all the intelligence gathering stuff could just
as well be done with somebody with an internet connection.

In fact, if I read that article you posted correctly, then I can say:

1. A Democratic President (JFK) got us into the Vietnam War. A Republican President fought for a while at the end, and then got us out.

2. A Democratic President (Carter) kicked off the whole Afghanistan thing with no provocation - which led to the initial war in Afghanistan, which led to the founding of al-Qaeda and the rise of Bin Laden - which led to the 9-11 attacks - which led to a Republican President invading Afghanistan to straighten things out.

Cut me a few more articles, and I'll have the Iraq War blamed on a Democratic President as well (well, it is a fact that the first person to advocate for forcible regime change WAS Madeleine Albright).

And the law that called for Regime Change was endorsed and signed by President Bill Clinton.

That's what I thought for years as well.
(although I have been aware that the first gulf war was about oil)
As I'm no fan of either party.

Yes. The 1st Gulf War was mostly about oil. THAT was your oil war. The 2nd one had nothing to do with oil.

*snip*

Don't use democracynow.org when making a point. We've already destroyed most of the stuff on there and it is deemed a noncredible source.

-snip-
Don't forget that it was a Democratic prez who ordered the dropping of the A-bombs!

Nyways, away from the fallacies:
-Before overhauling the CIA, get rid of Homeland Security. You've all heard the reports; we're "no safer than we were since 9/11" - so no, don't make it bigger, get rid of it.

uh, yeah. Why not? It's unconstitutional anyway-since the congress is supposed to keep an account of all monies spent and the cia's budget is secret. Oh, did we mention it's immoral track record?

Abolish the CIA!
Yeah! Let's just abolish every fucking thing while we're at it! Let's give the entire fucking Country to the fucking Caliphatists! We all suck anyway! Let the jihadists have our children to raise as janissaries. Let them have our wives and daughters and grandaughters so they can rape the hell out of them. What the hell? Why not? Freedom is overrated anyway. Who the hell cares? Then Canada won't have to be burdened with "big brother" to the South, Mexico can flood over the borders all they want. Hell, let China deal with the frackin' jihadists.

Don't use democracynow.org when making a point. We've already destroyed most of the stuff on there and it is deemed a noncredible source.


Oh, ok.

Yeah! Let's just abolish every fucking thing while we're at it! Let's give the entire fucking Country to the fucking Caliphatists! We all suck anyway! Let the jihadists have our children to raise as janissaries. Let them have our wives and daughters and grandaughters so they can rape the hell out of them. What the hell? Why not? Freedom is overrated anyway. Who the hell cares? Then Canada won't have to be burdened with "big brother" to the South, Mexico can flood over the borders all they want. Hell, let China deal with the frackin' jihadists.



Ummm, sure.

talk about

paranoid


The CIA never has, in its entire history since it was created just post WW2,
had anything to do with "freedom".

-Before overhauling the CIA, get rid of Homeland Security. You've all heard the reports; we're "no safer than we were since 9/11" - so no, don't make it bigger, get rid of it.

Shhh. You know and I know that making the government bigger, and spending more money on government is a recipe for disaster, but no one will listen.

Whatever happened to "do your job right"?

I keep hearing, "I could do a better job if you gave me more money."

Ummm, sure.

talk about

paranoid


The CIA never has, in its entire history since it was created just post WW2,
had anything to do with "freedom".
It must be really great to know so much at such a young age. I, unfortunately, have no such inside track, despite having lived as long as I have. You know what I think you should do? I think you should run for President while you still know everything. Do give the stuipd, ignorant rest of us the benefit of your incredible insight and wisdom. Then you can abolish the CIA, the FBI, the Army, the Air Force, the Marines, the Navy, even the fucking Coast Guard. After all, "everyone knows" they have never had anything to do with freedom. Or perhaps it's not "everyone," but just you, eh?

Shhh.
Whatever happened to "do your job right"?




They are doing their job right.
The CIA works at the behest of the president.
See the link in my signature for details.

It must be really great to know so much at such a young age. I, unfortunately, have no such inside track, despite having lived as long as I have. You know what I think you should do? I think you should run for President while you still know everything. Do give the stuipd, ignorant rest of us the benefit of your incredible insight and wisdom. Then you can abolish the CIA, the FBI, the Army, the Air Force, the Marines, the Navy, even the fucking Coast Guard. After all, "everyone knows" they have never had anything to do with freedom. Or perhaps it's not "everyone," but just you, eh?

You and I only have the insight of having been shot at. Enlightening, yes.

It's funny how you see the world when it narrows down to a second by second interpretation of "what's going to happen to just me next?"

It must be really great to know so much at such a young age. I, unfortunately, have no such inside track, despite having lived as long as I have. You know what I think you should do? I think you should run for President while you still know everything. Do give the stuipd, ignorant rest of us the benefit of your incredible insight and wisdom. Then you can abolish the CIA, the FBI, the Army, the Air Force, the Marines, the Navy, even the fucking Coast Guard. After all, "everyone knows" they have never had anything to do with freedom. Or perhaps it's not "everyone," but just you, eh?


When they equate forcing other countries to allow corporations - a legal
entity that bestows much legal protections & PRIVALEGES to the holders of
the charter(license) - when they force other countries to allow
corporations (historically a tool of imperialism/colonialism. ever read any history before 1776 or after that is non US history?) to do business in their countries ,
when they equate that with "freedom". It is total bull s.
And absolutely nothing to do with anything but pure, refined greed.

Oh, of course I'm only a 16 year old whipper-snapper.

Who thinks they know everything?

They are doing their job right.
The CIA works at the behest of the president.
See the link in my signature for details.

If you believe the crap at that site, you obviously have never worked for the government.

The Federal government, and most state and local governments, couldn't find their gluteal cleft with both hands.

Ever wonder why the response to the hurricane was so bad? Because that's the typical level of competence of the government.

If you believe that our government is capable of a widespread, deeply entrenched conspiracy to run our lives through a secret cabal, then you've been watching too many episodes of the X-Files.

If you believe the crap at that site, you obviously have never worked for the government.
How about he's never worked ... period? :rolleyes:

How about he's never worked ... period? :rolleyes:
You're probably right. His mom probably still makes his bed.

Ummm, sure.

talk about

paranoid


The CIA never has, in its entire history since it was created just post WW2,
had anything to do with "freedom".

Well, let's look at the record . . .

How many countries in Eastern Europe now have the right to vote their own conscience rather than being slave states of the Soviet Union? How about Nicaragua and El Salvador: don't they have free and open elections? Aren't they free of Cuban and Soviet surrogate terrorists? Unless you've ever lived in or fought against the forces of oppression, then you'd be better off keeping your mouth shut and listen to those who have "been there, done that."

Actually, the CIA goes back to WW2 in the guise of the Office of Strategic Services. They parachuted into occupied France (you know - the part that gave up the fight at the first sight of trouble). They trained and equipped the French Marquis - the Frogs never accomplished anything until this happened. They were able to fight for their own freedom while the rest of France shined the Germans' boots. Were it not for the Jedberg Teams in France, the Froggies would be speaking German.

The OSS also was instrumental with helping the Swedes, Norwegians, Dutch (in concert with the British Special Operations Executive - SOE), etc.

After the war, the OSS split into two portions: one when to the 10th Special Forces Group (Airborne) and the other became the CIA.

BTW, in Afghanistan, there were two operations: one from the U.S. and one from Saudi Arabia. Bin Ladin worked for the Saudis, not for the U.S. He was their creation. So don't blame THAT fiasco on the CIA.

If you believe the crap at that site, you obviously have never worked for the government.

The Federal government, and most state and local governments, couldn't find their gluteal cleft with both hands.

Ever wonder why the response to the hurricane was so bad? Because that's the typical level of competence of the government.

If you believe that our government is capable of a widespread, deeply entrenched conspiracy to run our lives through a secret cabal, then you've been watching too many episodes of the X-Files.



Theres' no secret cable.
It's all "business as usual".
And I do mean business.
US foreigne policy is the defense of corporate interests.
It's no secret. The people know, we just haven't been able
to figure out what to do about it yet. We do recognize
that whatever it is, should be democratic, bottom up in nature.

They just build upon lies of past politicians.
Plus they equate corporations with regular businesses and
adjust the laws as such.
When really that's the biggest joke of the 20th century.
No one's grandma, except maybe yours, equates corporations
with regular businesses.

Theres' no secret cable.
It's all "business as usual".
And I do mean business.
US foreigne policy is the defense of corporate interests.
It's no secret. The people know, we just haven't been able
to figure out what to do about it yet. We do recognize
that whatever it is, should be democratic, bottom up in nature.

They just build upon lies of past politicians.
Plus they equate corporations with regular businesses and
adjust the laws as such.
When really that's the biggest joke of the 20th century.
No one's grandma, except maybe yours, equates corporations
with regular businesses.

Oh, please.

Well, let's look at the record . . .

How many countries in Eastern Europe now have the right to vote their own conscience rather than being slave states of the Soviet Union? How about Nicaragua and El Salvador: don't they have free and open elections? Aren't they free of Cuban and Soviet surrogate terrorists? Unless you've ever lived in or fought against the forces of oppression, then you'd be better off keeping your mouth shut and listen to those who have "been there, done that."

Actually, the CIA goes back to WW2 in the guise of the Office of Strategic Services. They parachuted into occupied France (you know - the part that gave up the fight at the first sight of trouble). They trained and equipped the French Marquis - the Frogs never accomplished anything until this happened. They were able to fight for their own freedom while the rest of France shined the Germans' boots. Were it not for the Jedberg Teams in France, the Froggies would be speaking German.

The OSS also was instrumental with helping the Swedes, Norwegians, Dutch (in concert with the British Special Operations Executive - SOE), etc.

After the war, the OSS split into two portions: one when to the 10th Special Forces Group (Airborne) and the other became the CIA.

BTW, in Afghanistan, there were two operations: one from the U.S. and one from Saudi Arabia. Bin Ladin worked for the Saudis, not for the U.S. He was their creation. So don't blame THAT fiasco on the CIA.



Arming death squads brings freedom?
Oh, I'm sorry if you believe that.
OSS working hand in hand with Italian mobsters.
Real freedom lovers there.
Then subverting Italian elections because we don't believe
in democracy for others when it might actually end up going against
our interests.
That's our (our gov'ts) history.

And real antiracist of you to paint a hole people with a broad brush.
France was full of collaborators.
It was only and quite saddly the french communists who worked
the hardest in resistance to fascist occupation.

Oh, please.


Which part?

-snip-
FGSFDS!

FGSFDS!



Whatever that means?


Maybe it means : does not compute.
I'm too lazy? to attempt to debate your issues.

Or maybe it means : I agree with everything the above person said.


? I don't know

Whatever that means?


Maybe it means : does not compute.
I'm too lazy? to attempt to debate your issues.

Or maybe it means : I agree with everything the above person said.


? I don't know

It's secret code that means something to the rest of us, who are watching what you type Shingogogol. We're part of the grand conspiracy, and we know who you are.

p.s. ignore history



and gov'ts have a right to secrecy.

(as long as it's not one governed by the US constitution.
gov't secrecy has got to be one of the most undemocratic and unamerican things
out there)

It's secret code that means something to the rest of us, who are watching what you type Shingogogol. We're part of the grand conspiracy, and we know who you are.


Given your location near the home of that whack-o fascist Jesse Helms,
I might not doubt it.


See, now I've lowered myself to other's standards of name calling
and refusing to debate the actual issues.


No, I'm not proud, but I guess that shows I can do both.

p.s. ignore history

and gov'ts have a right to secrecy.

(as long as it's not one governed by the US constitution.
gov't secrecy is got to be one of the most undemocratic and unamerican things
out there)

Show me where it says that in the Constitution.

The House and Senate both review secret activity - there's been a lot of reform over the years. Especially since the days of the Church hearings. So don't tell me there's no oversight.

p.s. ignore history



and gov'ts have a right to secrecy.

(as long as it's not one governed by the US constitution.
gov't secrecy has got to be one of the most undemocratic and unamerican things
out there)

Welcome to the wonderful world of life.

And no, we won't ignore history. Only you have ignored history.

Show me where it says that in the Constitution.

The House and Senate both review secret activity - there's been a lot of reform over the years. Especially since the days of the Church hearings. So don't tell me there's no oversight.

PSST: He wants them released for us to read.

Show me where it says that in the Constitution.

The House and Senate both review secret activity - there's been a lot of reform over the years. Especially since the days of the Church hearings. So don't tell me there's no oversight.



Oversight.
A p.r. campaign to just keep up business as usual.

Spying on CISPES in the 80s was after cointelpro officially
ended and all that illegal, fascistic stuff was supposed to end.

One member of one local group was fingered as supposedly having
planning illegal activities by a policital opponent from el salvador.
FBI investigated, found nothing, but then went on to pry into all
local groups across the country.
Yeah. Church committee did some real reform.
Plus they ignored the fact that the fbi did similar things before
something called cointelpro ever even existed.
fbi is indeed america's political police.

Welcome to the wonderful world of life.

And no, we won't ignore history. Only you have ignored history.




Admittedly, I do not know everything.
No one can. It one task that it is safe to say is impossible.
I do try to read up on history from time to time,
including reading some declassfied documents:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/

I'm sorry if I come off sounding arrogant.
I don't mean to.
I do have much to learn.

Admittedly, I do not know everything.
No one can. It one task that it is safe to say is impossible.
I do try to read up on history from time to time,
including reading some declassfied documents:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/

I'm sorry if I come off sounding arrogant.
I don't mean to.

I also read declassified documents. I have too. I'm writing a report on the Cuban Missile Crisis and have to use those documents for my paper.

I don't know everything either and I don't pretend too. What I do know is a hell of alot more history than most average people. Why? Because I constently read up on it. I'm constently learning new things. I'm constently looking at facts and evidence.

Thats gotta be the smartest idea I ever heard! Abolish the CIA, well while we are at it lets give the whole world all of our intel! Oh and then we can open up our borders to any one and every one that wants to kill us! They can go live with all the modern hippies! They would gladly accept them, they share the same ideas! Modern Hippie: Hey I hate America! Al-qaida man: Really!? I do too! Lets take America down togeather! Hippie: Already on it!

Abolish the CIA and destroy America. Do you know how many people would love that and take it to their advantage to destroy us.

Man the best idea ever isn't it?

And I'm not going to pretend we know what is best for other people(s).

I'm not going to pretend Americans are smarter than Botwana(ians).

We may score higher on an SAT test, but we sure as hell wouldn't
be very good at surviving in their country either.


The best place on earth?
it's where the heart is.


We could just stop messing around in other people's countries
and let them develop how they will.
Don't send arms which will only empower one group over others
and creates artificial divisions within their societies.
Sending 4 times as much food (for short term emergencies) as we do now is still cheaper.

Thats gotta be the smartest idea I ever heard! Abolish the CIA, well while we are at it lets give the whole world all of our intel! Oh and then we can open up our borders to any one and every one that wants to kill us! They can go live with all the modern hippies! They would gladly accept them, they share the same ideas! Modern Hippie: Hey I hate America! Al-qaida man: Really!? I do too! Lets take America down togeather! Hippie: Already on it!

Abolish the CIA and destroy America. Do you know how many people would love that and take it to their advantage to destroy us.

Man the best idea ever isn't it?



Last time I checked the US existed for some where around a century
and a half without it.

If abolishing the CIA is the worst idea,
then abolishing the pentagon and all the armed forces should be a
piece of cake in your book.

Most of us in the states aren't aware of the aweful things the CIA has
done.
Former emplyees of 'the company' such
as John Stockwell, the highest ranked to ever reseign and come out
against what they do, Phil Agee, and Ralph McGehee all left after
years of service and belief in the american mythology of spreading democracy.
Read some of their writings some time.
Some of it is available on the web.



Here's a good starter.
excerpts online.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA/CovertActivities_CIA.html

Last time I checked the US existed for some where around a century
and a half without it.

If abolishing the CIA is the worst idea,
then abolishing the pentagon and all the armed forces should be a
piece of cake in your book.

Most of us in the states aren't aware of the aweful things the CIA has
done.
Former emplyees of 'the company' such
as John Stockwell, the highest ranked to ever reseign and come out
against what they do, Phil Agee, and Ralph McGehee all left after
years of service and belief in the american mythology of spreading democracy.
Read some of their writings some time.
Some of it is available on the web.



Here's a good starter.
excerpts online.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA/CovertActivities_CIA.html



A century and a half ago did people run commercial jetliners into other peoples country? No. Granted the CIA didnt prevent this but how many have they prevented? As you said the general public doesnt know what they are upto. But this day in age more and more people dont like us, no I'm not saying that every one in the world wants us, what I'm saying is there are a select powerfull few in the world. And also another thing, abolishing the military is right up there with the CIA. It just doesn't make sense.

In fact, if I read that article you posted correctly, then I can say:

1. A Democratic President (JFK) got us into the Vietnam War. A Republican President fought for a while at the end, and then got us out.

2. A Democratic President (Carter) kicked off the whole Afghanistan thing with no provocation - which led to the initial war in Afghanistan, which led to the founding of al-Qaeda and the rise of Bin Laden - which led to the 9-11 attacks - which led to a Republican President invading Afghanistan to straighten things out.

Cut me a few more articles, and I'll have the Iraq War blamed on a Democratic President as well (well, it is a fact that the first person to advocate for forcible regime change WAS Madeleine Albright).
When all else fails, resort to partisanship demagoguery.

[QUOTE=Shingogogol]Last time I checked the US existed for some where around a century
and a half without it.[QUOTE]

Yes, and it was definitely the world's superpower back then.

I don't understand why someone would want to get rid of the CIA; they keep us safe. Obviously they can't reveal all of their operations, that'd defeat the purpose of their existence.

About the CIA... They don't respect the law, they don't respect freedom or democracy and they don't respect human rights:

the OSS actively recruited and protected many high ranking Nazi officers immediately following World War II, a policy that was carried on by the CIA. These included, the CIA now admits, the notorious "butcher of Lyon" Klaus Barbie, Hitler's Chief of Soviet Intelligence General Reinhard Gehlen, and numerous less-renowned Gestapo officers.

CIA operations, with little funding, played a major role in ensuring pro-American governments ruled those states. Often, as in these two cases [Iran and Guatamela], success in these operations came at the expense of democratically elected governments.

In 1965, the President of Indonesia, Sukarno was ousted in a coup d'état supported by the CIA, led by Suharto. The overthrow of Sukarno by the CIA and Suharto resulted in a nationwide purge of some 500,000 suspected Communists, most of whom were peasants. The CIA secretly supplied Suharto's troops with a field communications network. Flown in at night by US Air Force planes from the Philippines, this was state-of-the-art equipment, whose frequencies were known to the CIA and the National Security Agency. Not only did this technology allow Suharto's generals to coordinate the killings, it also meant that the highest echelons of the US administration were listening in. Suharto was able to seal off large areas of the country.

Ralph McGehee, a senior CIA operations officer at the time, described the ousting of Sukarno in Indonesia as a "model operation" for the US-run coup that got rid of the democratically elected Salvador Allende in Chile seven years later. In the early 1980s, the CIA funded and armed the Contras in Nicaragua, forces opposed to the Sandinista government in that country, until the Boland Amendment forbade the agency from continuing their support.

In June 2005, two events occurred that may shape CIA operations for years to come.

Arrest warrants for 13 CIA agents were issued in Italy. The agents are alleged to have taken a suspected Egyptian militant from Milan on 17 February 2003 for extraordinary rendition to Egypt, where according to his relatives of the cleric, he was allegedly tortured. The removal of the militant wasn't unusual except that it was conducted without the approval of the Italian government. Similar operations of this sort have occurred worldwide since 9/11, the vast majority with at least tacit approval by the national government. Additionally, it allegedly disrupted Italian attempts to penetrate the militant's Al Qaeda network [6]. The New York Times reported soon after that it is highly unlikely that the CIA agents involved would be extradited, despite the US-Italy bilateral treaty regarding extraditions for crimes that carry a penalty of more than a year in prison. The agents involved in the operation are also reported to have booked lavish hotels during the operation and taken taxpayer-funded vacations after it was complete.

Whatever that means?
Maybe it means : does not compute.
I'm too lazy? to attempt to debate your issues.
Or maybe it means : I agree with everything the above person said.
? I don't know
This (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fgsfds) is what it means:
You could either say "figgis-fiddis" or "F-G-S-F-D-S", but however you say it, it is the one word that makes no sense whatsoever at all. It all started when someone on 4chan replied to a post with "fgsfds". Oryan (a 4chan user) soon shopped the phrase into a pic of some old dude (talk show host, probably) and now everyone on /b/ posts it. When somebody confuses you by saying something that makes no sense, simply say "fgsfds".

the OSS actively recruited and protected many high ranking Nazi officers immediately following World War II, a policy that was carried on by the CIA. These included, the CIA now admits, the notorious "butcher of Lyon" Klaus Barbie, Hitler's Chief of Soviet Intelligence General Reinhard Gehlen, and numerous less-renowned Gestapo officers..


What good is a dead witness? People would want them dead, they deserved death. But there were still many things still unknown about what happened. Why not ask Hitler's Chief of Soviet Intelligence General Reinhard Gehlen. How can you ask a dead man where you left your keys?

What good is a dead witness? People would want them dead, they deserved death. But there were still many things still unknown about what happened. Why not ask Hitler's Chief of Soviet Intelligence General Reinhard Gehlen. How can you ask a dead man where you left your keys?

No. You don't keep them alive to make a profit off them (and help them out as well!) that's just incredibly disrespect to the millions of people who died during WW2. First of all HUGE AMOUNTS of the Nazi era are recorded because they kept thorough records on everything they did. Plus, if you want to know things, you don't treat them nice. Not people who've helped in the genocide of millions.

No. You don't keep them alive to make a profit off them (and help them out as well!) that's just incredibly disrespect to the millions of people who died during WW2. First of all HUGE AMOUNTS of the Nazi era are recorded because they kept thorough records on everything they did. Plus, if you want to know things, you don't treat them nice. Not people who've helped in the genocide of millions.

Don't think I condone what they did. I'm pretty sure somethings where left unwritten.

When all else fails, resort to partisanship demagoguery.
And when that fails, just string some words together that sound really ugly.