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Hey, I was translating some Catullus last night and I noticed that, for all the 113 poems I had, 18, 19, and 20 were the only ones missing. I thought that was interesting, so I asked my teacher about them. He said he'd never noticed that before, and tried to find them online, but failed. So I figured I'd ask on here and see if any of the Latin-knowing people have a clue as to where to find the Latin or English for Catullus XVIII, XIX, and XX. Thanks for any help you guys can offer.

Hey, I was translating some Catullus last night and I noticed that, for all the 113 poems I had, 18, 19, and 20 were the only ones missing. I thought that was interesting, so I asked my teacher about them. He said he'd never noticed that before, and tried to find them online, but failed. So I figured I'd ask on here and see if any of the Latin-knowing people have a clue as to where to find the Latin or English for Catullus XVIII, XIX, and XX. Thanks for any help you guys can offer.

Did you google them?

That is pretty odd...but then again I learned a lot more prose then poetry in latin.

Yeah, I googled them, but, not knowing specifically where to look, I figured I'd be answered a bit more quickly on NationStates - I know there are a few people here that know a good deal of Latin.

Bump.

I'd suggest the Catullus Forum...but I see you've already posted there. I couldn't find any references to them on the net, or in my books, but I've only read a few, much later, poems. Sorry.

I'd suggest the Catullus Forum...but I see you've already posted there. I couldn't find any references to them on the net, or in my books, but I've only read a few, much later, poems. Sorry.

Heh, yeah, I found it while scanning the internet and figured I'd give it a shot. It doesn't look like people post there often, though, unfortunately.

Last bump

A complete listing of Catullus' works (http://www.vroma.org/~hwalker/VRomaCatullus/list.html) shows no 18-20, but does show three sets of fragments at the end. My guess is, these are parts of 18-20, and the entire poems did not survive. Not everything from so long ago does...

F-ing Christians burning down the Great Library...

:D

If I recall correctly, the numbering system was actually done by an ancient editor (aka -- nobody is really sure when the numbering system started, but everyone agrees as to which poem means which number), and a few of them have been lost, while others exist as fragments.

I haven't read Catullus in a while, I might have to pull some of that out again. He was great for a bit of the old 'earthy' poetry. I always liked to read 'suggested translations', my personal favorite being the translation of 'pedicabo ego uos et irrumabo' as 'nuts to you boys, and go to hell'.

Ahhh. Censored latin vulgarity.

Okay, for anyone that cares, I finally figured it out. It is disputed that Catulli Carmina 18-20 are actually Catullus' work. Most people seem to think that they are Vergil's, specifically part of the Catalepton, and even more specifically poems one, two, and three of the Priapea Carmina, although there is quite a bit of evidence suggesting that they may actually be Catullus' work. Anyway, I'm sure nobody cares, but I felt like giving the thread closure.

F-ing Christians burning down the Great Library...

whats with the christian bashing lately?

whats with the christian bashing lately?

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