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The day of reckoning is at hand... I promised you that a conservative government couldn't last much longer and true to my word the conservatives have suffered yet another blow in the great Commonwealth of Australia.

When polled by NineMsn (http://ninemsn.com.au/) around 60% of voters stated they would change their vote over the government's position on Industrial Relations.

That's 4:1 to the left, with the conservatives scoring points in my homestate for actually defending health care and social security...

The day of reckoning is at hand... I promised you that a conservative government couldn't last much longer and true to my word the conservatives have suffered yet another blow in the great Commonwealth of Australia.

When polled by NineMsn (http://ninemsn.com.au/) around 60% of voters stated they would change their vote over the government's position on Industrial Relations.

That's 4:1 to the left, with the conservatives scoring points in my homestate for actually defending health care and social security...

Can you get me a plane ticket to your country? Please?

Can you get me a plane ticket to your country? Please?
I just bailed a friend out of jail, put a deposit on an apartment, paid my finance licence fees, paid my study fees, bought new furniture & may be a fathere soon... so the short end of it is no :P

Besides, you have to trade off between a nation where everything is deadly but where the left wing runs unchecked and wherever you live. ;)

I just bailed a friend out of jail, put a deposit on an apartment, paid my finance licence fees, paid my study fees, bought new furniture & may be a fathere soon... so the short end of it is no :P

Besides, you have to trade off between a nation where everything is deadly but where the left wing runs unchecked and wherever you live. ;)

Well, I don't know what the hell a "fathere" is, but fuck dude, that's a lot of money spent!

I live in Houston. I think Australia would be a nice change of pace from this conservative dump.

Well, I don't know what the hell a "fathere" is, but fuck dude, that's a lot of money spent!

I live in Houston. I think Australia would be a nice change of pace from this conservative dump.
Move to south-east Queensland. Where the rich liberals hang out. Imagine a state that's run by a former hippy and you have Qld!

Queensland now has an Anti-imigrant Tax though.

Move to south-east Queensland. Where the rich liberals hang out. Imagine a state that's run by a former hippy and you have Qld!
Yay!

Nonetheless, most people might disagree with the Government on this one (I think it's awesome to watch the churches, the salvoes, the unions, the ACCC and even the people against this, and all the government has is a majority in both houses) - but no one cares.
Republics are always dictatorships for a limited term, and right now I really wouldn't go to Australia if you're of the leftist persuasion - every night watching the news I get high blood pressure...

Move to south-east Queensland. Where the rich liberals hang out. Imagine a state that's run by a former hippy and you have Qld!

All the people I know (well, Kanabia and Preebles) are in Melbourne! And that's in Victoria, isn't it?

Ehh, I have very little knowledge of your country. It's frustrating!

I voted No.
Besides many people if not most on the Interweb are sicko Liberals anyways and Elections are a long way away.

If you dont Vote Conservative you will end up like NZ do you really want that?

Yay!

Nonetheless, most people might disagree with the Government on this one (I think it's awesome to watch the churches, the salvoes, the unions, the ACCC and even the people against this, and all the government has is a majority in both houses) - but no one cares.
Republics are always dictatorships for a limited term, and right now I really wouldn't go to Australia if you're of the leftist persuasion - every night watching the news I get high blood pressure...

Then it wouldn't be all that different from where I currently live, though I assume it's still better.

Queensland now has an Anti-imigrant Tax though.
No it doesn't Mr Smarty-pants. The story that the Premier was considering it was leaked to the papers. The government does that all the time to float and idea, given the backlash Beaty won't even consider it again.

If you dont Vote Conservative you will end up like NZ do you really want that?

I thought New Zealand was pretty high on the civil liberties scale. Oh, wait, that might be your problem with it.

<snip> every night watching the news I get high blood pressure...
We are the country that launched Fox News...

...I'm sorry...

All the people I know (well, Kanabia and Preebles) are in Melbourne! And that's in Victoria, isn't it?

Ehh, I have very little knowledge of your country. It's frustrating!
Here's a crash course in Australia. Replace the American idea of "The North" with "The East" and the idea of "The South" with "The West".

Western Australia even seceded and all.

Basically the countries wealth is located in South-East, co-incidently the most pro-union, pro-liberal area.

Melbourne is renowned for it's "colourful"* atmosphere.


*Read: gay :fluffle:

Here's a crash course in Australia. Replace the American idea of "The North" with "The East" and the idea of "The South" with "The West".

Western Australia even seceded and all.

Basically the countries wealth is located in South-East, co-incidently the most pro-union, pro-liberal area.

Melbourne is renowned for it's "colourful"* atmosphere.


*Read: gay :fluffle:

The 'Frisco of Australia, eh? I like the sound of that.

I voted No.
Besides many people if not most on the Interweb are sicko Liberals anyways and Elections are a long way away.

If you dont Vote Conservative you will end up like NZ do you really want that?
1) Way to vote irrelivantly. The question is "would you change your vote". Given you haven't voted. :p

2) The web is full of liberals, deal with it. You have the newsmedia!

3) No... yes! Oh wait! I'm conflicted between national pride and ideology...

No it doesn't Mr Smarty-pants. The story that the Premier was considering it was leaked to the papers. The government does that all the time to float and idea, given the backlash Beaty won't even consider it again.
Thats what they want you to think....
I heard it from a Sicko Liberal Radio Station they wouldnt lie to me....

I find it quite amusing that you are actually taking a NineMSN poll seriously, considering NineMSN acknowledeges that around 80% of its voting populace are under 18. Not able to vote, and obviously going to be flaming lefties as most young naive, idealists are, that is of course until they discover that the leftist government they have voted in has ruined the nation, and they become conservative. you dont need anymore proof other than look at australias last election results, total senate and house of reps control by the conservative minded government.

The 'Frisco of Australia, eh? I like the sound of that.
lol Minus a kick ass bridge... oh wait... no they have a bridge. Your comparisson stands.

Thats what they want you to think....
I heard it from a Sicko Liberal Radio Station they wouldnt lie to me....

You're just a barrel o' fun, man.

lol Minus a kick ass bridge... oh wait... no they have a bridge. Your comparisson stands.

I'm there as soon as I get enough money. Seriously.

I find it quite amusing that you are actually taking a NineMSN poll seriously, considering NineMSN acknowledeges that around 80% of its voting populace are under 18. Not able to vote, and obviously going to be flaming lefties as most young naive, idealists are, that is of course until they discover that the leftist government they have voted in has ruined the nation, and they become conservative. you dont need anymore proof other than look at australias last election results, total senate and house of reps control by the conservative minded government.

1) Way to vote irrelivantly. The question is "would you change your vote". Given you haven't voted. :p

2) The web is full of liberals, deal with it. You have the newsmedia!

3) No... yes! Oh wait! I'm conflicted between national pride and ideology...
1)It is still a No...
2)Maybe you have Murdoch but alas no we have a Liberal Media.
3)MWhahahahahahahahaha i have found your weakness.

I find it quite amusing that you are actually taking a NineMSN poll seriously, considering NineMSN acknowledeges that around 80% of its voting populace are under 18. Not able to vote, and obviously going to be flaming lefties as most young naive, idealists are, that is of course until they discover that the leftist government they have voted in has ruined the nation, and they become conservative. you dont need anymore proof other than look at australias last election results, total senate and house of reps control by the conservative minded government.

And you're expecting us to take your diarrhea of the mouth seriously? You're a funny, funny man/woman/tranny.

I find it quite amusing that you are actually taking a NineMSN poll seriously, considering NineMSN acknowledeges that around 80% of its voting populace are under 18. Not able to vote, and obviously going to be flaming lefties as most young naive, idealists are, that is of course until they discover that the leftist government they have voted in has ruined the nation, and they become conservative. you dont need anymore proof other than look at australias last election results, total senate and house of reps control by the conservative minded government.
1) In Queensland we have dead people voting, so underage voting isn't out of the question. ;)
2) This is a poll targetted at people who voted Liberal(conservative) in the last election and would change their vote. Hence why I didn't vote.
3) Primary votes didn't give the Co-alition control of the Senate. It took massive preferences from third parties to do that.

I find it quite amusing that you are actually taking a NineMSN poll seriously, considering NineMSN acknowledeges that around 80% of its voting populace are under 18. Not able to vote, and obviously going to be flaming lefties as most young naive, idealists are, that is of course until they discover that the leftist government they have voted in has ruined the nation, and they become conservative. you dont need anymore proof other than look at australias last election results, total senate and house of reps control by the conservative minded government.
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Exactly

Thats what they want you to think....
I heard it from a Sicko Liberal Radio Station they wouldnt lie to me....
Evidently they did, perhaps you should head back over to Fox, where the news is pure and unbiased...?

Well, it seems that my theory on only idiots and assholes voting for conservative parties stands true.

You're just a barrel o' fun, man.
Hey either they lied or it is the truth.

1)It is still a No...
2)Maybe you have Murdoch but alas no we have a Liberal Media.
3)MWhahahahahahahahaha i have found your weakness.
1) You didn't vote in the last commonwealth election, so poo on you.
2) Where are you hiding it?
3) That and forks in the eye...

Hey either they lied or it is the truth.

And we all know that left-leaning people never tell the truth, and rightists are just perfect angels who wouldn't even hurt a fly.

Hey either they lied or it is the truth.
My guess is they were either missinformed (in which case they should issue a retraction because that's bad journalism) or exagerated (in which case they should be sacked).

I thought New Zealand was pretty high on the civil liberties scale. Oh, wait, that might be your problem with it.
Yes and it aint good for Bussiness.

My guess is they were either missinformed (in which case they should issue a retraction because that's bad journalism) or exagerated (in which case they should be sacked).
No one cares they talk rubbish all day and repeat almost every song 5 times a day.

So are you saying there isnt a $3000 House Purchasing tax in Queensland now?

And we all know that left-leaning people never tell the truth, and rightists are just perfect angels who wouldn't even hurt a fly.
You are the one in Texas.:)

The 'Frisco of Australia, eh? I like the sound of that.

I'd have to say that Sydney's the gay capital of Australia. It has a huge gay mardi gras every. They have the famous Sydney Harbour Bridge too.

Back to the topic at hand, I can't see the current conservative government backing away from it's new workplace laws. Nor can I see them being voted out of office at the next election.

No one cares they talk rubbish all day and repeat almost every song 5 times a day.

So are you saying there isnt a $3000 House Purchasing tax in Queensland now?
There's always been a State of Queensland Stamp Duty, I thought it was $5000 though?

I find it quite amusing that you are actually taking a NineMSN poll seriously, considering NineMSN acknowledeges that around 80% of its voting populace are under 18. Not able to vote, and obviously going to be flaming lefties as most young naive, idealists are...
That's true.

...that is of course until they discover that the leftist government they have voted in has ruined the nation, and they become conservative.
That's false, there actually is no statistically significant difference in the two parties' economic targets and indicators.
If you want the whole info, read "Political and partisan cycles in the Australian economy" by Crosby et al.
And have a look at this online article (http://static.highbeam.com/e/economicrecord/december012000/itstheeconomystupidmacroeconomicsandfederalelectio/), although it focusses on a different aspect, namely what economic conditions favour which party. (Sorry about the site, the normal google-scholar source seems to be off-line - maybe you have access to an academic databse though?)

...you dont need anymore proof other than look at australias last election results, total senate and house of reps control by the conservative minded government.
And now you see that the people were conned (or let themselves be conned) with this interest rate scare. Why did no one mention interest rates when Howard himself was Treasurer? Because Labour is a weak bunch of egomaniacs, that's why. They are no longer a viable alternative, and we suffer for it (for example with these "anti-terror" laws)
And furthermore, just look at the official polls on IR-Reforms. The people don't want it, and that's the truth.

Well, it seems that my theory on only idiots and assholes voting for conservative parties stands true.

Well you seem to be a very narrow minded individual who probably cant accept that just possible, someone else might have different opinions to youself, and can justify them. I would'nt call myself a conservative, rather a libertarian, however if you lived in australia, you would undoubtably know that the party most in favor of civil and business freedoms happens to be the right-wing party. So before you blow off some more of your unjustifiable temper, do something you may not have done before, think rationally and consider that other people may have different opinions to yourself and sometimes there is more than one correct opinion, Shades of Grey.

That's true.


That's false, there actually is no statistically significant difference in the two parties' economic targets and indicators.
If you want the whole info, read "Political and partisan cycles in the Australian economy" by Crosby et al.
And have a look at this online article (http://static.highbeam.com/e/economicrecord/december012000/itstheeconomystupidmacroeconomicsandfederalelectio/), although it focusses on a different aspect, namely what economic conditions favour which party. (Sorry about the site, the normal google-scholar source seems to be off-line - maybe you have access to an academic databse though?)


And now you see that the people were conned (or let themselves be conned) with this interest rate scare. Why did no one mention interest rates when Howard himself was Treasurer? Because Labour is a weak bunch of egomaniacs, that's why. They are no longer a viable alternative, and we suffer for it (for example with these "anti-terror" laws)
And furthermore, just look at the official polls on IR-Reforms. The people don't want it, and that's the truth.

I think the new anti-terror laws are truly frightening. House arrest, restrictions on movement & trade for suspects. Not people who have been charged with anything, just suspects. Jail sentences for reporting or even talking about people who are being held without charge. A shoot to kill policy for apprehending of suspects. That smacks of totalitarianism to me.

BTW, why are you Neu Leonstein now? What happened to the old one?

BTW, why are you Neu Leonstein now? What happened to the old one?
Long Story...most of it you'll find here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418666&page=17

Long Story...most of it you'll find here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418666&page=17

Well whatever the reasoning, good to see you're back anyway.

In the latest ACNielsen poll, the ALP leads the Coalition on two party preferred by 52% to 48%. Newspoll puts Labor at 54%, which is huge in political terms and would easily see them win an election if it was held today.

So really, the NineMSN poll, although it may be skewed to a younger, left-wing demographic, is still relatively accurate. But I'm sure by the next election the polls will be in the Coalition's favour again, there's still plenty of time for Labor to fall apart as usual. In fact they're already falling apart as we speak, nobody likes Kim Beazley.

In the latest ACNielsen poll, the ALP leads the Coalition on two party preferred by 52% to 48%. Newspoll puts Labor at 54%, which is huge in political terms and would easily see them win an election if it was held today.

So really, the NineMSN poll, although it may be skewed to a younger, left-wing demographic, is still relatively accurate. But I'm sure by the next election the polls will be in the Coalition's favour again, there's still plenty of time for Labor to fall apart as usual. In fact they're already falling apart as we speak, nobody likes Kim Beazley.

Exactly why I can't see the coalition losing the next election.

Well you seem to be a very narrow minded individual who probably cant accept that just possible, someone else might have different opinions to youself, and can justify them.

Ah, I see you've found the mirror.

You are the one in Texas.:)

Yeah, I am, and this state has more than its share of dumb-fuck rightists. I simply cannot stand people who try to restrict the rights of others for little else than personal satisfaction.

There's always been a State of Queensland Stamp Duty, I thought it was $5000 though?
I think this is right but Queensland out of all the Oz States(and Territories) has or has had the largest Population growth of them all.
I think it was 60,000 new migrants from the rest of Australia and outside.

Yeah, I am, and this state has more than its share of dumb-fuck rightists. I simply cannot stand people who try to restrict the rights of others for little else than personal satisfaction.
Baptists and Presbos?

I think this is right but Queensland out of all the Oz States(and Territories) has or has had the largest Population growth of them all.
I think it was 60,000 new migrants from the rest of Australia and outside.

Yep, I think you're right.

Baptists and Presbos?

Too many fucking baptists.

"You should live how WE say!"

Ugh, go fuck a horse, asses.

Too many fucking baptists.

"You should live how WE say!"

Ugh, go fuck a horse, asses.
What and make Mules?

A more reliable poll was in the Financial Review the other day (by memory).

Due to the IR changes:
More likely to vote Coalition (Conservative) 8%
Won't affect vote 55%
More likely to vote Labor/Green 30%

The proviso question then asked about past voting habits; turns out nearly anyone (be it left or right) who said that the IR changes would affect their vote, were party loyalists who already voted with that party.