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For curiosity's sake, let's make another challenge like the last "guns to take with you to cross medieval America" thing.

Mission:

You are to cross through a- mostly urban- war zone on foot, delivering something to somebody on the other side. This is NOT a combat operation, you just need to cross through. However, there is a high risk of you being attacked by all sort of ill-mannered individuals or small gangs, armed to varying degree- anything from bows and slingshots to hunting rifles and leftover AK47 or Uzis. Your opponents, in all likelihood, will have no body armor, no machine guns or other heavy weapons, no vehicles (although they may be using wrecked ones as a cover). Approximate crossing time is one week plus whatever delays may occur on the way. You are completely on your own, no resupply, no extraction if you get yourself into more trouble than you can handle, no outside assistance whatsoever. You're unlikely to get any willing help from the local population, who for the most part will hate your guts.

What weapon/s would you arm yourself with?

Bradley fighting vehicle

In the US Marine Corp they used to say:

"Two is one; one is none."

Any mission being performed by 1 sole person is doomed to failure.

But a Heckler & Koch G11 with plenty of ammunition; have they got a 40mm grenade launcher for that thing? If not I'd take a few of those big mutha!@#$ Russian RDX grenades too; handy for demolishing whole buildings.

Fuck it, give me a few souped up Claymores too.

Bradley fighting vehicle

An IFV!

Hell, give me an M1A2!

Still gotta go with dog-doo on a stick.

Urban? I'll take my mossberg model 500. I'll take a choke and some slugs for range but urban environment I don't expect more than a 100m shot and I can hit center mad there. If it's weeks I suppose I can take some other equipment too? At least three traveller's motion sensor alarms because I'll need to camp and I don't want to get suprised. I don't really want to carry more than that rations and ammo. If anything (outside of basic camping gear) I might carry a suppressed usp10 (I get military gear right? It's a combat zone.) but no more than 4 extra magazines for that I'm not a ninja right?

Appache helicopter

MP5SD with 4 clips of ammo. This coupled with my trusty Springfield 1911a1 with 10 round clips. Should be enough if one is stealthy. Try to avoid a firefight like the plague as this wouldn't be hollywood or a FPS.

Appache helicopter


Even with the extra 'P', my dog-doo on stick would pwn you.

hmm take a silenced navy issue mp5 with laser sights, nightvision and infrared attachements, take several extra clips, some grenades, KEVLAR, camo, food, water and a first aid kit :)
avoid trouble would be understatement, i guess stick to the sewers/nighttime

MP5SD with 4 clips of ammo. This coupled with my trusty Springfield 1911a1 with 10 round clips. Should be enough if one is stealthy. Try to avoid a firefight like the plague as this wouldn't be hollywood or a FPS.
I like the way you think. The only problem is that shooting 9mm and .45 at subsonic speeds, your combat range would have been too short even for urban conditions.

Myself, I would grab an AK101 or even a shorter AK102 in 5.56 NATO. It's not a combat mission, so if there is any shooting, it will mostly be done to make them keep their heads down while I am getting away, or to dispatch someone who is too close for me to get away from them. Which means I'd need something that is light, uses small light ammo (so I could carry more of it) and is guaranteed to shoot every time in any condition. Neither superb accuracy nor superb one-shot lethality are truly necessery for the task.

In fact, even an M1 Carbine wouldn't be a bad choice.

An MP5/10 and Glock 20 as backup. I would have mostly FMJ, but maybe a clip of JHP each for reloading, and some spare JHP's to reload with.

If my only objective was staying alive and getting my person to the objective, I want something strong. For urban, 10mm is perfect.

Mini 14 and my trusty Colt 1911 .

Marlin lever action in .44mag, pump-action 12 gauge of some sort, and a couple of Glock 20s.

And body armor.

B.F.G.
http://www.doomcenter.ru/doom2/weapons/bfg-9000-2.jpg

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Not a bad thought. The reason why I chose the sub gun is for it being silenced. Secondly the point is to get across the city, not attack it. So if one would need to engage a enemy it would be close quarters. Otherwise avoiding a enemy is a more prudent thing to do. Appart from that, from what it sounds like, if I need extra ammo I should be able to find it as 9mm is common. My springfield has been brought along because I want a backup that is reliable, and my springfield has yet to jam on me.

For curiosity's sake, let's make another challenge like the last "guns to take with you to cross medieval America" thing.

Mission:

You are to cross through a- mostly urban- war zone on foot, delivering something to somebody on the other side. This is NOT a combat operation, you just need to cross through. However, there is a high risk of you being attacked by all sort of ill-mannered individuals or small gangs, armed to varying degree- anything from bows and slingshots to hunting rifles and leftover AK47 or Uzis. Your opponents, in all likelihood, will have no body armor, no machine guns or other heavy weapons, no vehicles (although they may be using wrecked ones as a cover). Approximate crossing time is one week plus whatever delays may occur on the way. You are completely on your own, no resupply, no extraction if you get yourself into more trouble than you can handle, no outside assistance whatsoever. You're unlikely to get any willing help from the local population, who for the most part will hate your guts.

What weapon/s would you arm yourself with?
MP5-SD3, 10mm, (Suppressed) Laser targeting. M79 Grenade Launcher with HEDP (I love distractions). Class III vest with chest & back trauma plates. "Night-Digital" Urban Camo. 2.5w LED Gun mounted strobe/torch. Multi-tool & KaBar. GPS & Map of urban area. Lockpick set, Semtex/C4 & detonators.

Move at night, sleep in day. Move fast/Kill silently. Shoot out Lights/Transformers if necessary. When things get hot, keep the Locals away/busy with strategic/random explosions.

Some sort of high quality AK clone in 7.62x39mm, prefferably one with a supressor/silencerl and a full RIS (because AKs with rails look awesome) plus a Glock 18/Beretta 93r.

Reasons: Ammo availability, if AKs and Uzis abound then there should be plenty of 7.62mm soviet and 9mm Para ammo about, yes a longer ranged weapon would be nice (SMLE/AW rechambered for 7.62x54mm R) but to be honest you should be avoiding people and trying to be as light as possible, the automatic capable pistol is there to offer a true "back up" if you run out of ammo.

The XM* Carbine w/ XM320 grenade launcher.
http://static.flickr.com/25/55970774_f712c771f5.jpg
50 caliber, semi automatic.
http://static.flickr.com/24/55970780_2e0eb637b9_o.jpg
And one of those toy guns where the flag pops out and it say "BANG" for when I run out of ammo!

For curiosity's sake, let's make another challenge like the last "guns to take with you to cross medieval America" thing.

Mission:

You are to cross through a- mostly urban- war zone on foot, delivering something to somebody on the other side. This is NOT a combat operation, you just need to cross through. However, there is a high risk of you being attacked by all sort of ill-mannered individuals or small gangs, armed to varying degree- anything from bows and slingshots to hunting rifles and leftover AK47 or Uzis. Your opponents, in all likelihood, will have no body armor, no machine guns or other heavy weapons, no vehicles (although they may be using wrecked ones as a cover). Approximate crossing time is one week plus whatever delays may occur on the way. You are completely on your own, no resupply, no extraction if you get yourself into more trouble than you can handle, no outside assistance whatsoever. You're unlikely to get any willing help from the local population, who for the most part will hate your guts.

What weapon/s would you arm yourself with?
Now that we've had fun, let's look at this from an operational perspective:

(#1) Am I ethnicly identifiable? From what distance? 99% of my tactics derive from these questions.
(2) What is the state of cerfew/LE?
(3) What is the state of the infrastructure (power/sewer/bridges)
(4) Is there/will there be active arial bombardment?
(5) Is there an Underground system?

My choice of waepons would likely not change considerably, but my method of carrying/employing them would.

Do the weapons have to actually exist at this moment in time? The OP said nothing about that… so I'd choose a ceramite-based environmental-electrically powered exosuit, a flamethrower, and a smoke grenade launcher. Stride through the city with bullets going *ping* off the exosuit and hardly any hitting the damn thing because of the smoke and the flames.:)

M4 SOPMOD with suppressor and grenade launcher attached. ACOG sights.
600 rounds in 20 magazines. IBA body armor (Lev IV) with inserts. Four smoke grenades, 2 x WP grenades, 12 x 40mm HE grenades.

M4 SOPMOD with suppressor and grenade launcher attached. ACOG sights.
600 rounds in 20 magazines. IBA body armor (Lev IV) with inserts. Four smoke grenades, 2 x WP grenades, 12 x 40mm HE grenades.
Lev IV is awfully heavy & bulky... Against a (good) sniper it won't really do you any good and against almost everything else it's overkill (note- if the objective was to run into a hail of 7.62x39 bullets, I would probably agree with you...)

If I could get away with daylight travel because of ethnic homogeniety (or a good faxcimilie) I would prefer to carry my MP5 this way:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/MrMisanthrope/hk_mp5k2_cased.jpg

Somthing you can't do with the M4... :D

A Harrier (UK Version, obviously!), be over that village and be able to land vertically in about 5 minutes!

Thats pretty safe, plus, whats the likelihood of medieval America having surface-air missiles, bearing in mind at the time there was either no one there, or full of red indians! lol!

Graham

Lev IV is awfully heavy & bulky... Against a (good) sniper it won't really do you any good and against almost everything else it's overkill (note- if the objective was to run into a hail of 7.62x39 bullets, I would probably agree with you...)

If I could get away with daylight travel because of ethnic homogeniety (or a good faxcimilie) I would prefer to carry my MP5 this way:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/MrMisanthrope/hk_mp5k2_cased.jpg

Somthing you can't do with the M4... :D

Fired from inside the case, it isn't very accurate. And it takes just enough time to get it out of the case to allow someone to pop you.

The standard IBA is Level IV if you have the plates in it. And it weighs 16 pounds total.