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Okay for a while on here people have been talking about the big "Christian conspiracy" to take over America. I have denied it, in all my experience with my Christian friends it just wasn't true.

Then today someone sent me this (http://www.christianexodus.org/index.php?module=PostWrap&page=home)

all I can say is OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fellow Christians band together with me, we have to stop them, this isn't at all what America is about!

I really really hope that this is a big huge joke, but I don't think it is. I am officially scared.

ChristianExodus.org is coordinating the move of thousands of Christians to South Carolina for the express purpose of re-establishing Godly, constitutional government. It is evident that the U.S. Constitution has been abandoned under our current federal system, and the efforts of Christian activism to restore our Godly republic have proven futile over the past three decades. The time has come for Christians to withdraw our consent from the current federal government and re-introduce the Christian principles once so predominant in America to a sovereign State like South Carolina.


what do you think? are you as disturbed by this as I am?

Those poor people in South Carolina.

I would be scared by it if there was widespread support. The Daily Show did a segment about it a month or so ago (Alright this is also scary, I'm quoting the Daily Show for a news source) and I think something a couple thousand belong to the organization and like 8 people have moved. I hold it in the same contempt as the KKK and think they are both not revelent in politics.


(Part of me also says, "Go on and move, we're better without you." If they want to form their own country more power to them.)

I am honestly lost for words, wtf is up?

religious extremists, some blow people up, some use brainwashing like this lol

I would be scared by it if there was widespread support. The Daily Show did a segment about it a month or so ago (Alright this is also scary, I'm quoting the Daily Show for a news source) and I think something a couple thousand belong to the organization and like 8 people have moved. I hold it in the same contempt as the KKK and think they are both not revelent in politics.


(Part of me also says, "Go on and move, we're better without you." If they want to form their own country more power to them.)
I read thier plan of action, they say they only need 1500 to move in thier first wave of relocation, a few thousand would work even better.

You should see the Daily Show segment on those guys. Funny as hell.

Incidenly, let them have it. Move all the decent folk out of South Carolina, let the crazy christians have the state, build a wall around it, and drop it from the United States.

They can no longer vote in our elections, they no longer enjoy the freedoms that the Constitution permits them, they can no longer travel freely within the United States, and they have to pay import tarrifs on, say, Coca Cola.

Works for me.

"a sovereign state like South Carolina"

How the hell...?

They had this on the daily show. I laughed at the fact that the founder still lives where ever he was before.

Okay for a while on here people have been talking about the big "Christian conspiracy" to take over America. I have denied it, in all my experience with my Christian friends it just wasn't true.

what do you think? are you as disturbed by this as I am?
So the Radical Religious front took a cue from the Libertarian FreeState people. Just goes to show how little ingenuity/original thought they have. :rolleyes:

They had this on the daily show. I laughed at the fact that the founder still lives where ever he was before.

here is the HUGE irony. He lives in San Fransico. I'd think if he wanted to leave one place, that would be it.

I hold it in the same contempt as the KKK and think they are both not revelent in politics.

assuming you were trying to say relevant-

i must insist that the KKK were more than just a little bit relevant. i have not heard of what smunkee said before this thread, but if it really should assume a KKK-like influence i'd be scared shitless.

let them all go, hell they can even have pat robertson for president, then all us "sane" people could stay

assuming you were trying to say relevant-

i must insist that the KKK were more than just a little bit relevant. i have not heard of what smunkee said before this thread, but if it really should assume a KKK-like influence i'd be scared shitless.

The KKK was relevant in the past. However, today I think they have about as much political weight as the Society for Creative Anachronism. (Not that I have anything against the SCA, I'm do dancing at the local chapter, it's just not where I would go to start a political movement.

let them all go, hell they can even have pat robertson for president, then all us "sane" people could stay

Yeah, but South Carolina has some sane people left. What about them?

Yeah, but South Carolina has some sane people left. What about them?

they can move to north carolina or whatever state they want or stay with the crazies ya know, whatever floats your boat

Whoa. These people are serious??!! :eek:

If so, let them secede from our godless government of sinners and form their own totalitarian theocracy...

I would be scared by it if there was widespread support. The Daily Show did a segment about it a month or so ago (Alright this is also scary, I'm quoting the Daily Show for a news source)

And for those who want to see that segment and laugh, and laugh, and laugh some more... here it is:

http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/002393.html

The part about the Christian Exodus people starts about a third of the way through.

they can move to north carolina or whatever state they want or stay with the crazies ya know, whatever floats your boat
I wonder: if the jesus freaks were to take over Texas rather than South carolina, would that mean Bush is no longer an American, and so can no longer be considered President? Or was he actually born somewhere on the east coast?

Its a small group of people with no real relevance. If this is the kind of thing that gets you scared, you better get used to not leaving the house.

*sigh* When will these guys realize that their actions, tantamount to Constitution worship, is actually quite sacreligious?

Although I'm not that freaked out yet.

Yeah, but South Carolina has some sane people left. What about them?

I have a spare bedroom that should be big enough for both of them. :p

Wait wait wait these people want to make their own government, when they supported the 'Christian' President in the last election. I have a better idea why don't they all drink poisoned Kool-Aid, and decrease the Surplus Population. Go live with god.

*sigh* When will these guys realize that their actions, tantamount to Constitution worship, is actually quite sacreligious?

Although I'm not that freaked out yet.
The emphasis placed on the actual document is quite worrying, I'd have said. This business with it having its own nuclear shelter under the display case? What's that about?

I wonder: if the jesus freaks were to take over Texas rather than South carolina, would that mean Bush is no longer an American, and so can no longer be considered President? Or was he actually born somewhere on the east coast?

Conneticut. If you wanted that, you'd have to ditch Conneticut.

Being a Northerner (or "Yankee" if you prefer), I feel the need to remind them that they tried this before. It was called the Civil War...and we kicked their asses.

they can move to north carolina or whatever state they want or stay with the crazies ya know, whatever floats your boat

Even better idea: The sane South Carolinians can move to New Hampshire with the Libertarian Free-State people! All hail to the almighty porcupine!

I doubt there will be many who actually commit to the plan. There is also a Free State Project that has decided to 'take over' New Hampshire. They think they need 20,000 people to out vote the others, but I don't think they even have five hundred in the state.

"Our schools continue to teach the discredited theory of Darwinian evolution"

When was it discredited?

Fuckwits, the lot of them.

"Our schools continue to teach the discredited theory of Darwinian evolution"

When was it discredited?
They discredited it... :rolleyes:

They discredited it... :rolleyes:

But when and how exactly?

Pray tell.:rolleyes:

But when and how exactly?

Pray tell.:rolleyes:
Well its obvious:rolleyes:
It isn't in the Bible so it can't be true, obviously;)

"Our schools continue to teach the discredited theory of Darwinian evolution"

When was it discredited?

Fuckwits, the lot of them.
Darwin believed, like Lamark, in the inheritance of aquired traits. Therefore Darwinian evolution has been discredited. Unfortunately it appears from that comment that christian kids are still being taught it.

Okay for a while on here people have been talking about the big "Christian conspiracy" to take over America. I have denied it, in all my experience with my Christian friends it just wasn't true.

Then today someone sent me this (http://www.christianexodus.org/index.php?module=PostWrap&page=home)

all I can say is OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fellow Christians band together with me, we have to stop them, this isn't at all what America is about!

I really really hope that this is a big huge joke, but I don't think it is. I am officially scared.

what do you think? are you as disturbed by this as I am?

Disturbed? I'm not even surprised. Christianity has always been imperialistic. One of the main premises is obedience to God. Doesn't say anything about democracy.

Disturbed? I'm not even surprised. Christianity has always been imperialistic. One of the main premises is obedience to God. Doesn't say anything about democracy.
I am a Christian who is disturbed by it though, I could understand how it would freak out a person in general but as a Christian and an American what they are doing doesn't seem to mesh well with me.
I don't know. It may be a little thing not to worry about, but I feel like I should do something besides ignore it, I don't want it to be a thing where people think that this is mainstream Christian doctrine, I mean I am a pretty conservative Christian, some people have even said that I represent the "Christian right" and these people just freak me out.

They need to be arrested and tried for treason!

Okay for a while on here people have been talking about the big "Christian conspiracy" to take over America. I have denied it, in all my experience with my Christian friends it just wasn't true.

Then today someone sent me this (http://www.christianexodus.org/index.php?module=PostWrap&page=home)

all I can say is OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fellow Christians band together with me, we have to stop them, this isn't at all what America is about!

I really really hope that this is a big huge joke, but I don't think it is. I am officially scared.




what do you think? are you as disturbed by this as I am?

Nope! However, if things start happening at the federal level then I'll start to worry.

I am a Christian who is disturbed by it though, I could understand how it would freak out a person in general but as a Christian and an American what they are doing doesn't seem to mesh well with me.
I don't know. It may be a little thing not to worry about, but I feel like I should do something besides ignore it, I don't want it to be a thing where people think that this is mainstream Christian doctrine, I mean I am a pretty conservative Christian, some people have even said that I represent the "Christian right" and these people just freak me out.

There is no "mainstream doctrine" - it varies more widely than you might think. And if what you have described freaks you out, you might be interested to hear of the church that believes Hitler was a prophet.

Being a Northerner (or "Yankee" if you prefer), I feel the need to remind them that they tried this before. It was called the Civil War...and we kicked their asses.

What I found funny is that South Carolina was the first state to secede from the Union back then.

So why pick S.C. now? Ok, South Carolina has been known to cause trouble for the Union but still..

Well I'm nestled safely in North Dakota. Far far away from this nonsense. Though if the Stoners of North Dakota decided to take action..I'd be terrified, that's like 9/10 of our state. Okay maybe a little bit of an exaggeration....but we still have a lot of them.

There is no "mainstream doctrine" - it varies more widely than you might think. And if what you have described freaks you out, you might be interested to hear of the church that believes Hitler was a prophet.
I am aware that there is no "mainstream doctrine" but many people with whom I have come in contact with don't accept/believe me when I say that Christianity is widely varied from denomination to denomination and pretty much latch on to the most undesirable stereotypes of Christianity and try to lump us all together. :(

I am aware that there is no "mainstream doctrine" but many people with whom I have come in contact with don't accept/believe me when I say that Christianity is widely varied from denomination to denomination and pretty much latch on to the most undesirable stereotypes of Christianity and try to lump us all together. :(

Then those people do not know world history all that well. Religious seperation is clearly documented.

I am aware that there is no "mainstream doctrine" but many people with whom I have come in contact with don't accept/believe me when I say that Christianity is widely varied from denomination to denomination and pretty much latch on to the most undesirable stereotypes of Christianity and try to lump us all together. :(

Personally, I think people should be free to believe as they please, although I dislike religion.

Incidenly, let them have it. Move all the decent folk out of South Carolina, let the crazy christians have the state, build a wall around it, and drop it from the United States.

They can no longer vote in our elections, they no longer enjoy the freedoms that the Constitution permits them, they can no longer travel freely within the United States, and they have to pay import tarrifs on, say, Coca Cola.

Works for me.

No. Think of the children.

No one should have to grow up like that.

Okay for a while on here people have been talking about the big "Christian conspiracy" to take over America. I have denied it, in all my experience with my Christian friends it just wasn't true.

Then today someone sent me this (http://www.christianexodus.org/index.php?module=PostWrap&page=home)

all I can say is OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fellow Christians band together with me, we have to stop them, this isn't at all what America is about!

I really really hope that this is a big huge joke, but I don't think it is. I am officially scared.




what do you think? are you as disturbed by this as I am?


No. The most disturbing thing about this is that it's never going to happen. I'd love it if it did happen. As it is, the loony fundies are a desirable demographic in a lot of the country. If we've got politicians all over the country claiming "we're a Christian nation," and BS like that. If they all went to South Carolina then they'd get a handful of representatives and two senators. That would be it. The rest of the country would be free to focus on stuff that matters and we could let South Carolina sink into the sea under the weight of all their over-reproducing, poverty stricken, hypocritical, tax-dependent, tax-witholding, education rejecting ignorami. For those who as about that last word it's a form of paper-folding in which the result is paper dolls able to pass for human at a casual glance, but are given away by their vacant stares and the W stickers on their cars.

I have a better idea why don't they all drink poisoned Kool-Aid, and decrease the Surplus Population. Go live with god.

That's a really good idea, why didn't I think about that:p

No. The most disturbing thing about this is that it's never going to happen. I'd love it if it did happen. As it is, the loony fundies are a desirable demographic in a lot of the country. If we've got politicians all over the country claiming "we're a Christian nation," and BS like that. If they all went to South Carolina then they'd get a handful of representatives and two senators. That would be it. The rest of the country would be free to focus on stuff that matters and we could let South Carolina sink into the sea under the weight of all their over-reproducing, poverty stricken, hypocritical, tax-dependent, tax-witholding, education rejecting ignorami. For those who as about that last word it's a form of paper-folding in which the result is paper dolls able to pass for human at a casual glance, but are given away by their vacant stares and the W stickers on their cars.
Strangely, I can't tell whether you support it or not from your post. Maybe I'm just tired.

Wasn't the guy advocating this on the Daily Show and having Culbert make fun of him?

Okay for a while on here people have been talking about the big "Christian conspiracy" to take over America. I have denied it, in all my experience with my Christian friends it just wasn't true.

Then today someone sent me this (http://www.christianexodus.org/index.php?module=PostWrap&page=home)

all I can say is OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fellow Christians band together with me, we have to stop them, this isn't at all what America is about!

I really really hope that this is a big huge joke, but I don't think it is. I am officially scared.




what do you think? are you as disturbed by this as I am?
Scared? No, I laughed. Especially when the Daily Show did their interview. It'll never gain enough support.

Currently, the US Constitution is being followed (No political arguing, just shut up). These people are just trying to break IT and use it for their own fundamental views. Fundamentalism anywhere is bad and dangerous. I may be Christian myself, but I believe in the right for all to practice their religion, and my own calls for me to accept this fact and respect them. Therefore, should they instigate ANY violence to change the constitution, I think I'll start a little militia. Anyone with me?

Currently, the US Constitution is being followed (No political arguing, just shut up). These people are just trying to break IT and use it for their own fundamental views. Fundamentalism anywhere is bad and dangerous. I may be Christian myself, but I believe in the right for all to practice their religion, and my own calls for me to accept this fact and respect them. Therefore, should they instigate ANY violence to change the constitution, I think I'll start a little militia. Anyone with me?

I'm with you! :)

Okay!! That's Two!! Who Else Is With Us!!!???

I'll join

Wow, that scares me too... :eek:

But it also makes me glad to live in Canada.

Also, I'll join you, but I don't know how much use I'll be up here.

Weren't the libertarians the first to come up with a crackpot plan like this? They are still calling for the creation of a libertarian state in New Hampshire if Im not mistaken.

South Carolina?

Nahhhh.

Give 'em a sliver of Antarctica. Let Baby Jesus keep 'em warm at night.

What I don't understand is that if all these fringe groups hate what America has become, why don't they start their new Utopia SOMEWHERE ELSE? Buy an island somewhere and be happy, sez I.

Hmm... sounds kinda, oh, I don't know, *illegal* to me. Do they really think the rest of the U.S. would just let them come in to South Carolina, kick everyone else out, and proclaim it their own country? If anyone *ever* tried a stunt like that (knowing our country), we'd completely obliterate them. They wouldn't last a week (unless there were a lot more fanatical Christians in America than I'd expect!).

From my brief glance at it, they're not trying to secede; they seem to be trying to garner support for their cause in one state as a nucleus for further indoctrination. They're trying to make it fundamentalist in the same way that Utah is largely Mormon, and are then trying to spread it out. Still stupid, but not quite as much. I say let 'em go if the state legislature, by some insane conversion of the masses, demands secession again; we get rid of a bunch of conservatives and we finally banish that annoying state (which has twice pestered the Union in the past)- it's a win-win!

I don't know that this is a bad idea really. Think about it if the Evangellicals all move to one or two states it keeps them away from the rest of us. Say they take both of the Carolinas? How many millions of loony voters does this remove from the electoral votes in the rest of the states? Right OK Carolina becomes JesusLand. The rest of us will know to avoid them. Maybe a few states where there are economic conservatives who still beleive in science will go Lib. Maybe some of the states where socialists think they have to vote democrat will see that the Greens can win. Real states rights not some old confederate dreams but people deciding to live in a comunity who's electorate is actually representative.

Its South Carolina.. Who Cares?
Just Kidding.
This is really, really, scary.

Being a Northerner (or "Yankee" if you prefer), I feel the need to remind them that they tried this before. It was called the Civil War...and we kicked their asses.
I'm starting to think that Civil War thing might have been a bad idea. Maybe we should have let them secede and just stolen all their black people, who could never be returned, since in the real world they are people, not property, and then we should have put up a nice "security fence" along the Mason-Dixon line. I mean, why did we want to keep as citizens people who would shoot their neighbors so they could keep the privilege of owning slaves? Blech. Believe me, the states-rights secessionists would have come to their senses after about 6 months of no one to talk to but those lazy, shiftless, whining, former slave-owners, and there would be 4 countries in North America instead of 3, and Mexico would not be the poorest of them.

I say 4 because I count Mexico as North American, though I guess, after a while, Mexico would have taken another stab at taking back Texas and Arizona, so maybe there'd only be 3 countries after all -- no loss, then. Yeah, definitely, preserving the Union seemed like a good idea at the time, but in hindsight, not so much. If it ever comes up again, I say self-determination is a great thing. Good-bye and good riddance to all of them.

Weren't the libertarians the first to come up with a crackpot plan like this? They are still calling for the creation of a libertarian state in New Hampshire if Im not mistaken.
That's really funny -- establishing a state in New Hampshire. ;)

While these people are going a touch overboard, they may have some points.

The US adminstration does indeed appear to have started to ignore the US constitution (read: Patriot Act).

The whole secession thing is a bit pointless, though. Wouldn't it be better to, say, start a new political party or something?

I understand what they're trying to do - distance themselves from the politicians that supposedly are Christians. It seems that politicians are the new Pharisees - saying one thing, but doing another.

Understand: I don't support the idea of a Christian state - and I'm a Christian. I believe in a state where people are free to believe pretty much whatever they want to as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else (ie no human sacrificial cults etc.).