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Radical Christian terrorist groups have been leaving flyers that accuse normal, decent, American people who celebrate the greatest holiday on earth, Halloween, of worshiping the devil.

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/5129242/detail.html#

Greatest holiday on earth? Most of the world doesn't even celebrate it...but okay. (Uppity foreign husband quote, "we don't go around trying to scare our children") I think that kind of crap...the fliers I mean...is out of line. Yes, freedom of expression and all that...but sheesh! If someone came up to my home...or said to my kid that what they were doing was devil worship...my freedom of expression would be exercised in a rather scary manner. Freaks. Go away! Let us worship the devil in peace!

Ah well...let them post the fliers...it's never to early to teach your kids about fanatics and lunatics and the like.

Greatest holiday on earth? Most of the world doesn't even celebrate it...but okay.

While I might tend to agree with you, at least in North America as far as the consumer goes, Halloween is starting to rival Christmas for money spent on any holiday. So, in that respect, there is some truth to the original statement.

While I might tend to agree with you, at least in North America as far as the consumer goes, Halloween is starting to rival Christmas for money spent on any holiday. So, in that respect, there is some truth to the original statement.
Hush you...pedantic Canadian you! Greatest holiday on earth? No. Next to the greatest holiday in North America? Ok. I could live with that. Sheesh!

Any holliday that involves the undead and satan kicks the crap out of all non-evil hollidays. I stand by my greatest holliday on earth statement.

:D Well, I guess it might explain why I'm an athiest!

While I might tend to agree with you, at least in North America as far as the consumer goes, Halloween is starting to rival Christmas for money spent on any holiday. So, in that respect, there is some truth to the original statement.

We eat more at Thanksgiving. People travel more at Thanksgiving. They go out more on Valentine's Day. Eat more candy on Halloween (spend money on costumes and candy).

But, apparently the other big moneymaker in the US is SuperBowl Sunday. Foodwise, it apparently beats out Thanksgiving. And I've never watched a single game.

Hush you...pedantic Canadian you! Greatest holiday on earth? No. Next to the greatest holiday in North America? Ok. I could live with that. Sheesh!

*LOL* Okay, fair enough, one of the greatest holidays in North America..

Although (and you knew that was coming lol) while not all countries celebrate exactly what we know to be "Halloween" in many countries, in fact a lot of them do have some type of celebrations for the "dead" Romania comes to mind with their festival of the dead and many other European countries have similar celebrations in respect to the dead. So while it may not be our North America Halloween, the celebration in spirit (no pun intended) is still there in many countries across the globe.

Radical Christian terrorist groups have been leaving flyers that accuse normal, decent, American people who celebrate the greatest holiday on earth, Halloween, of worshiping the devil.
I'm not sure whether to love Halloween because of the pagan thing and the fact in enrages certain Christians, or hate it because of the commercialisation/Americanisation. Trick-or-treat is definitely evil. Maybe I'll get a pumpkin with a banner underneath with some radical leftist slogan...

Halloween is an excuse to dress up and eat loads of sweets,or to check out girls in sexy nurse,cop,army,etc costumes and get really really drunk.it depends how old you are.

We eat more at Thanksgiving. People travel more at Thanksgiving. They go out more on Valentine's Day. Eat more candy on Halloween (spend money on costumes and candy).

But, apparently the other big moneymaker in the US is SuperBowl Sunday. Foodwise, it apparently beats out Thanksgiving. And I've never watched a single game.

Hey, I don't make this stuff up you know..lol It is a fact that the consumer spends almost as much on Halloween as they do for Christmas in North America. It was on the news just the other day.

Any holliday that involves the undead and satan kicks the crap out of all non-evil hollidays. I stand by my greatest holliday on earth statement.
Then the various incarnations of the "Day of the Dead" (different in every country, though most are familiar with the Mexican version) must outweigh Halloween? Because they don't f*ck around...the undead are invovled to a much greater extent than our faux un-dead...

Bloody hell we devil worshipers get one day a year and now people are trying to ruin it for us. *grumble grumble grumble*

I don't know about the popularity of holidays outside the U.S., but here, Halloween is the fastest growing holiday. What used to be a day of kids dressed up in cheap homemade costumes walking around their neighborhoods looking for free sugar has turned into a multi-billion dollar, month-long event. Events like Halloween Horror Nights at Universal Studios (and similar halloween themed events at every theme park in the nation) cater primarily to young adults (18-30). We don't have Oktoberfest in the states. But imagine Oktoberfest with a gothic twist and you have an idea of what Halloween is becoming here.

*LOL* Okay, fair enough, one of the greatest holidays in North America..

Although (and you knew that was coming lol) while not all countries celebrate exactly what we know to be "Halloween" in many countries, in fact a lot of them do have some type of celebrations for the "dead" Romania comes to mind with their festival of the dead and many other European countries have similar celebrations in respect to the dead. So while it may not be our North America Halloween, the celebration in spirit (no pun intended) is still there in many countries across the globe.
Bah...humbug. Or something (we need more bah words for other holdidays says I). You just HAD to add that however, huh?

Chile has a day of the dead, completely unlike the day of the dead in Mexico, and completely unlike our Halloween. As in, totally disimilar. They involve the 'dead', and that is where the simliarity ends. Period. And don't pretend our celebration has anything to do with respect for the dead. We don't hang out in the graveyards with our extended families, remenicing the good times with those who have passed on. We dress up, get candy, go party and that's it. I'm not seeing the simliarity.

However....(that's your cue:))

Then the various incarnations of the "Day of the Dead" (different in every country, though most are familiar with the Mexican version) must outweigh Halloween? Because they don't f*ck around...the undead are invovled to a much greater extent than our faux un-dead...
Ok, Halloween/Dia de los muertos type hollidays are the greatest in the world.

Oh,and the picture in that is hilarious.when would children go 'trick or treating' to a church?also little kids dressed as witches cant fly,much as they'd like too.

Radical Christian terrorist groups have been leaving flyers that accuse normal, decent, American people who celebrate the greatest holiday on earth, Halloween, of worshiping the devil.

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/5129242/detail.html#

This makes me ashamed to be a Christian.

Ok, Halloween/Dia de los muertos type hollidays are the greatest in the world.
RAR! You can't group them together! It's like saying, hey St. Patricks Day and Bastille Day are the greatest holiday! You know...being so simliar and stuff...RAR![/rant]

RAR! You can't group them together! It's like saying, hey St. Patricks Day and Bastille Day are the greatest holiday! You know...being so simliar and stuff...RAR![/rant]
You already grouped them together with the undead thing!

RAR! You can't group them together! It's like saying, hey St. Patricks Day and Bastille Day are the greatest holiday! You know...being so simliar and stuff...RAR![/rant]
But,St.Patricks Day is the best holiday ever.although its more of a fesat day.but it still r0x0rs.

Oh,and the picture in that is hilarious.when would children go 'trick or treating' to a church?also little kids dressed as witches cant fly,much as they'd like too.
Churches throw Halloween parties so they can preach sermons to kids and prevent them from going around Trick-or-Treating.

Lol this reminds me of this article
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/subjectarchive/halloween.html
hehehehe
(and yes it IS a satire site)

This makes me ashamed to be a Christian.

Well, at our church, we're not distributing idiot flyers.

We're holding all-day picnics this past weekend and next weekend. Show up in your Halloween costume (and leave later to go round and get candy).

We have hired local bands for music, and there's free food and drink all day.

And NO ONE will harass you about being a Christian. Only if you very specifically ask, will we answer very specifically (one woman asked me what time services start on Sunday).

We gave away free prizes. And had events like a rock climbing wall, etc.

And some people DID ask about Christianity and Jesus. So it was a success. And not offensive.

Halloween is not a very good holiday. Don't get me wrong though, I am an atheist, and I do not support radical christanity.

Churches throw Halloween parties so they can preach sermons to kids and prevent them from going around Trick-or-Treating.

Those cunning christians,they clearly know thats kids everywhere are impervious to the offer of sweetsd,even if the price is listening to a sermon.then again they havent a hope against the apathy/desire to get drunk and have sex of teenagers.
And to think,we're the world leaders of tomorrow.well not all of us.

Well, at our church, we're not distributing idiot flyers.

We're holding all-day picnics this past weekend and next weekend. Show up in your Halloween costume (and leave later to go round and get candy).

We have hired local bands for music, and there's free food and drink all day.

And NO ONE will harass you about being a Christian. Only if you very specifically ask, will we answer very specifically (one woman asked me what time services start on Sunday).

We gave away free prizes. And had events like a rock climbing wall, etc.

And some people DID ask about Christianity and Jesus. So it was a success. And not offensive.

Yeah my old parish used to HOLD the haloween party for the year ... it was AWSOME there were prizes and haunted houses and everything (catholic)

Churches throw Halloween parties so they can preach sermons to kids and prevent them from going around Trick-or-Treating.

You think that's bad? Last year I went to a "haunted house" that was advertised as being the scaryest in town. It was titled simply "hell". So, naturally, I thought I would go. It turns out, it was just a propoganda program for some super fundamental non-denominational group. They portrayed:
1. a teenaged girl, who lied to her parents about where she was going out that night.
2. a teenaged boy, who had a sip of beer.
3. another teenaged couple, who danced, and kissed each other.
(all normal, good people, not devil worshipers)

The next scene had them dying in a car crash, and then the "angel of death" proclams them sinners, and they are carried off to hell by demons.

I mean, come on! The whole thing was SO over the top about if you even once sip alcohol, or dance, or tell a fib, there was no saving you. It was really pathetic. I told everyone in line how it was a scam, and had one of these cult members tell me I was damned. That made up for an otherwise disappointing evening.

You think that's bad? Last year I went to a "haunted house" that was advertised as being the scaryest in town. It was titled simply "hell". So, naturally, I thought I would go. It turns out, it was just a propoganda program for some super fundamental non-denominational group. They portrayed:
1. a teenaged girl, who lied to her parents about where she was going out that night.
2. a teenaged boy, who had a sip of beer.
3. another teenaged couple, who danced, and kissed each other.
(all normal, good people, not devil worshipers)

The next scene had them dying in a car crash, and then the "angel of death" proclams them sinners, and they are carried off to hell by demons.

I mean, come on! The whole thing was SO over the top about if you even once sip alcohol, or dance, or tell a fib, there was no saving you. It was really pathetic. I told everyone in line how it was a scam, and had one of these cult members tell me I was damned. That made up for an otherwise disappointing evening.
A couple of church ladies were handing out flyers for such an event near my work. I politely took it intending to throw it in the trash. Then they proceeded to ask if I knew Jesus as my savior. I politely told them I wasn't religious. They kept pushing and I had to ask them if they were trying to provoke an argument. They finally shut up.

A couple of church ladies were handing out flyers for such an event near my work. I politely took it intending to throw it in the trash. Then they proceeded to ask if I knew Jesus as my savior. I politely told them I wasn't religious. They kept pushing and I had to ask them if they were trying to provoke an argument. They finally shut up.

We had flyers for our event. I asked people if they wanted homemade barbecued pork, chili (from our chili contest), bratwurst from the grill, etc.

About a month ago, we had a crab feast.

We never ask people about Jesus. We figure that if you want to know about him, you'll ask specifically.

But you can always come by for the food and hang out with us.

Lol this reminds me of this article
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/subjectarchive/halloween.html
hehehehe
(and yes it IS a satire site)
Oh that is so awesome.

You already grouped them together with the undead thing!
NO! The point was that the undead are not really dealt with in our Halloween...oh wait...no, I mean the dead are not dealt with .... the "Day of the Dead" is about dead, not undead...damn, I'm confused!

But,St.Patricks Day is the best holiday ever.although its more of a fesat day.but it still r0x0rs.
Yeah, but you wouldn't say it's the same damn thing as Bastille Day...not in a crowd of Frenchmen, anyway! (unless pain is something you crave)

And Sierra...quit portraying some Christians as tolerant and fun-loving...that image is no damn fun!

I know quite a few people who refuse to celebrate halloween. They think of halloween in terms of Satan worship etc. Sadly, many people don't realise that the refusal to celebrate halloween is actually a remnant of the strong anti-Catholic sentiment in many parts of America, especially in the south. Since it was a Roman Catholic celebration, (the day before All Saints Day) fundamentalist Protestants decided to label it as connected with Satan worship. There isn't so much anti-Catholic sentiment these days, but you can definately see its effects.

I know quite a few people who refuse to celebrate halloween. They think of halloween in terms of Satan worship etc. Sadly, many people don't realise that the refusal to celebrate halloween is actually a remnant of the strong anti-Catholic sentiment in many parts of America, especially in the south. Since it was a Roman Catholic celebration, (the day before All Saints Day) fundamentalist Protestants decided to label it as connected with Satan worship. There isn't so much anti-Catholic sentiment these days, but you can definately see its effects.

I went to a primary school where halloween was not even regarded as an event, and anyone who mentioned it to a teacher was, shall we say, reprimanded. Apparently getting sweets from old ladies dressed up as a skeleton is satanic, and likely to lead to the apocalypse....:rolleyes:

And Sierra...quit portraying some Christians as tolerant and fun-loving...that image is no damn fun!

I go to a whole church full of Pentacostal Christians. We're happy and we show it.

People usually ask us what goes on at our church not because we ask them about Jesus, but because we seem so happy.

Not a mindless sappy happy either.

I'm convinced that when I walk down the street, or go through the office at work, in the silence of the crowd there are some people who are going through the worst moments of their lives - or questioning themselves hard about what they should do in order to feel more alive.

I can't go up to people like that and ask them if they found Jesus. I know that they're searching for something - if they want Jesus, they'll ask for him by name. They may well find what they need somewhere else in some other way.

But I'm always glad to help when asked.

A couple of church ladies were handing out flyers for such an event near my work. I politely took it intending to throw it in the trash. Then they proceeded to ask if I knew Jesus as my savior. I politely told them I wasn't religious. They kept pushing and I had to ask them if they were trying to provoke an argument. They finally shut up.

Yeah, but these people were devious. They advertised it on the radio and in the paper as a haunted house. Before you stepped into the house, you had no idea that it was religious propoganda.

Although, in retrospect, the title of the house being simply "Hell" might have raised eyebrows, except that so many haunted houses have a hell or demon theme; nobody in the group I went with even connected those dots.

Yeah, but you wouldn't say it's the same damn thing as Bastille Day...not in a crowd of Frenchmen, anyway! (unless pain is something you crave)

True.but bastille day isnt anywhere near as international as st.patricks day.2 countries in the world celebrate st.patricks day and half of them know who st.patrick is.guess which one.

I go to a whole church full of Pentacostal Christians. We're happy and we show it.

People usually ask us what goes on at our church not because we ask them about Jesus, but because we seem so happy.

Not a mindless sappy happy either.

I'm convinced that when I walk down the street, or go through the office at work, in the silence of the crowd there are some people who are going through the worst moments of their lives - or questioning themselves hard about what they should do in order to feel more alive.

I can't go up to people like that and ask them if they found Jesus. I know that they're searching for something - if they want Jesus, they'll ask for him by name. They may well find what they need somewhere else in some other way.

But I'm always glad to help when asked.

I do so love inanely happy and content christians, they are hilarious in house to house calls, they actually try to take an interest....

I go to a whole church full of Pentacostal Christians. We're happy and we show it.


But do you clap your hands?

I can't go up to people like that and ask them if they found Jesus. I know that they're searching for something - if they want Jesus, they'll ask for him by name. They may well find what they need somewhere else in some other way.


I bet if you told more people that wife swapping is not incompatible with Christianity, you'd have a lot of success as a recruiter!:D

...There isn't so much anti-Catholic sentiment these days, but you can definately see its effects.

You haven't been on this forum very long then! Catholicism is hated more on here than Islam and Judaism combined. Which is funny, because all these people who hate Catholicism have really twisted ideas of the RCC.


edit: yes, I see you have twice the posts I do, but that's not the point

True.but bastille day isnt anywhere near as international as st.patricks day.2 countries in the world celebrate st.patricks day and half of them know who st.patrick is.guess which one.
Only 2? Um...Canada celebrates it too ya know...those Irishmen spread pretty far and wide!

I go to a whole church full of Pentacostal Christians. We're happy and we show it.

People usually ask us what goes on at our church not because we ask them about Jesus, but because we seem so happy.

Not a mindless sappy happy either.

I'm convinced that when I walk down the street, or go through the office at work, in the silence of the crowd there are some people who are going through the worst moments of their lives - or questioning themselves hard about what they should do in order to feel more alive.

I can't go up to people like that and ask them if they found Jesus. I know that they're searching for something - if they want Jesus, they'll ask for him by name. They may well find what they need somewhere else in some other way.

But I'm always glad to help when asked.
I'm not sure what I want to do. Either I really want to shoot your dog or join your church. I've not decided yet.

I do so love inanely happy and content christians, they are hilarious in house to house calls, they actually try to take an interest....

We don't call anyone, either.

We figure if you're curious, you'll come over. Otherwise, you won't.

I bet if you told more people that wife swapping is not incompatible with Christianity, you'd have a lot of success as a recruiter!:D

Where do you think I've gotten my major successes?

Only 2? Um...Canada celebrates it too ya know...those Irishmen spread pretty far and wide!

We have it England strangely, and its my birthday, and the coolest day of the year anyway. Ifraenn, how hard is it to emigrate to Ireland?

I went to a primary school where halloween was not even regarded as an event, and anyone who mentioned it to a teacher was, shall we say, reprimanded. Apparently getting sweets from old ladies dressed up as a skeleton is satanic, and likely to lead to the apocalypse....:rolleyes:
Those little old ladies are evil!!!!! You think you're getting candy, but you're actually getting cocain laced butter scotch. Before you know it, you're addicted and the only way to get your fix is to sell your soul on ebay.

We don't call anyone, either.

We figure if you're curious, you'll come over. Otherwise, you won't.

Actually, that is both tolerable and acceptable. I do have a yearning to be religious, just not because some Jehova's witnesses knock on my door at 11 in the morning (stupid time), and ask wheter I want to join their faith...

Where do you think I've gotten my major successes?
AHA! Even I might find it difficult to reject Christ when the subject comes up during group coitus....you crafty Jesus-freaks, you!

Actually, that is both tolerable and acceptable. I do have a yearning to be religious, just not because some Jehova's witnesses knock on my door at 11 in the morning (stupid time), and ask wheter I want to join their faith...

I have to deal with them, too.

It's one thing to be atheist or agnostic and have Jehovah's Witnesses come by.

It's quite another to already be (in your own mind) a Christian and have them come by.

We know how annoying it is.

When they ask me if I've found Jesus, I usually tell them I didn't know he was missing. I then call up the stairs loudly, "Jesus?! Are you still up there in your room?"

My older son plays along with this, and usually yells back, "yeah, I'm still here, but I'm playing Warcraft right now"

Actually, that is both tolerable and acceptable. I do have a yearning to be religious, just not because some Jehova's witnesses knock on my door at 11 in the morning (stupid time), and ask wheter I want to join their faith...

As much as I dislike religion, I have a soft spot for the Jehova's witnesses. I mean, sure, they're annoying. But you got to hand it to people who firmly believe that only an exact number of people will not be damned. And then they go out and try to convince other people. If I was one, I would be like...

"shhhh!!! Keep that quiet! We got a better chance of getting in, the less people who know!"

Radical Christian terrorist groups have been leaving flyers that accuse normal, decent, American people who celebrate the greatest holiday on earth, Halloween, of worshiping the devil.

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/5129242/detail.html#
Dude, are you telling me the radicals actually think they can get American kids to give up Candy Day? Do they realize how freaking fat we are?

so when did all hallows eve stop becoming devil worshipping?

You haven't been on this forum very long then! Catholicism is hated more on here than Islam and Judaism combined. Which is funny, because all these people who hate Catholicism have really twisted ideas of the RCC.


edit: yes, I see you have twice the posts I do, but that's not the point
Yeah it's true that there's plenty of anti-Catholicism in this forum, but that's just a reflection of the general dislike of Christianity. And some of them are decently informed, unlike many of the anti-Catholic Protestant fundamentalists that you might have met.

We can take this anti-Halloween crap with a grain of salt, since the same types of nuts used to say the same stuff about Christmas. That's right, ye olde American Puritans of New England thought all that (Germanic/Italian/French/Catholic) Christmas business was devil-worship (pagan use of greenery) and idolatry (by which they meant baby Jesus!). Actually until the early 20th century, Thanksgiving was a way bigger holiday among the no-fun crowd than Christmas. I got this from a television documentary, "The History of Christmas" or something like that, on Discovery, or History, or one of those channels. They repeat it every year.

I love Halloween because I dig goth stuff, am an animist who honors the dead anyway, and welcome the chance to have fun offending my enemies. :D

Yeah it's true that there's plenty of anti-Catholicism in this forum, but that's just a reflection of the general dislike of Christianity. And some of them are decently informed, unlike many of the anti-Catholic Protestant fundamentalists that you might have met.


I disagree. I'm an atheist, and speaking for myself at least, I do not dislike Catholicism more than other Christian sects. It is the Protestant fundamentalists you mentioned who are the primary voice condemning the RCC.

I disagree. I'm an atheist, and speaking for myself at least, I do not dislike Catholicism more than other Christian sects. It is the Protestant fundamentalists you mentioned who are the primary voice condemning the RCC.Yeah, well, you can probably put most of the blame on me for that...I'm a vocal agnostic who picks fights with the Catholics all the time. I've got this bee in my bonnet about how they're spreading lies about the AIDS plague, and I tend to be somewhat less than polite when I talk to them. For some reasons they never take my word for it when I assure them that I'm NOT speaking for "the secular community" (whatever the hell that might be).

Halloween pwns all other holidays and those jackasses with the fliers are jerks. Someone should cram those fliers up their asses.

As much as I dislike religion, I have a soft spot for the Jehova's witnesses. I mean, sure, they're annoying. But you got to hand it to people who firmly believe that only an exact number of people will not be damned. And then they go out and try to convince other people. If I was one, I would be like...

"shhhh!!! Keep that quiet! We got a better chance of getting in, the less people who know!"

You do know only 144, 000 peole are going to heaven according to the Jhovies. I wonder how many Jehovah's Witnesses have existed in history? Its a tad more than 144,000 I would assume. Great religion.

Say, come to think of it...if anybody here is going to be in DC for Halloween, send me a telegram! :) We can dress up as our Nations and go nerd around Georgetown or something.

I disagree. I'm an atheist, and speaking for myself at least, I do not dislike Catholicism more than other Christian sects. It is the Protestant fundamentalists you mentioned who are the primary voice condemning the RCC.
You must have misread my post. I said there's plenty of anti-Catholicism in this forum, but that's just a reflection of the general dislike of Christianity Also, I agree with you that the Protestant fundamentalists are leading the way in terms of anti-Catholic sentiment. We need to remember, though, that it's not nearly as bad as it used to be.

Dude, are you telling me the radicals actually think they can get American kids to give up Candy Day? Do they realize how freaking fat we are?
Hahahahaha

You do know only 144, 000 peole are going to heaven according to the Jhovies. I wonder how many Jehovah's Witnesses have existed in history? Its a tad more than 144,000 I would assume. Great religion.
That's the whole point, isn't it? God's judgement is based on how you treat his witnesses. Forget what they tell you about sin. You can fuck anything walking and kill anyone who looks at you the wrong way but always be nice to the Joho's.

That's the whole point, isn't it? God's judgement is based on how you treat his witnesses. Forget what they tell you about sin. You can fuck anything walking and kill anyone who looks at you the wrong way but always be nice to the Joho's.

No, thats catholocism.:p