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It seems some Islamist terrorists have threatened various sites in Denmark because a private newspaper and some artists made cartoons depicting Muhammad. I think Denmark had better conduct some raids, expell some illegal Muslim immigrants, and bug some mosques or it's very likely that the country will pay for protecting the free expression of some of it's citizens.

http://denmark.dk/portal/page?_pageid=374,880218&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL

Let Denmark do what America did - ignore the problem for almost a decade, until they fly some planes into a building.


It's the only fair, humane, and politically correct thing to do.

Let Denmark do what America did - ignore the problem for almost a decade, until they fly some planes into a building.


It's the only fair, humane, and politically correct thing to do.
I don't know whether I should laugh or worry about your sanity... :D

I don't know whether I should laugh or worry about your sanity... :D
I'm being facetious, of course. But I know that someone will post a similarly inane answer and be totally serious.

Let Denmark do what America did - ignore the problem for almost a decade, until they fly some planes into a building.


It's the only fair, humane, and politically correct thing to do.

Nononono. No. They should, of course, act before the worst case scenario becomes true and ATTACK! That means, invade *points random country on the map* Bulgaria! And do it fast. Bulgaria is evil, and has *ahem* propably WMD's.

Onwards, brave sons of Vikings, and let those terrorist fuckers feel the liberation!

let me get this straight

1st- you make fun of there holiest person
2nd- they get angry at it
3rd-you desrcibe them as terrorists, for delcaring they are angery
4th- finally, you propose to kick them out

i feal there is a missing link
can anyone help me out here???

let me get this straight

1st- you make fun of there holiest person
2nd- they get angry at it
3rd-you desrcibe them as terrorists, for delcaring they are angery
4th- finally, you propose to kick them out

i feal there is a missing link
can anyone help me out here???
What the heck? Can't they take a joke?

let me get this straight

1st- you make fun of there holiest person
2nd- they get angry at it
3rd-you desrcibe them as terrorists, for delcaring they are angery
4th- finally, you propose to kick them out

i feal there is a missing link
can anyone help me out here???

People make fun of Jesus, God, and the Pope all the time. I don't see anyone flying planes into buildings because they are upset that Christians have been made fun of.

Not even Fred Phelps or Pat Robertson have followers like that.

let me get this straight

1st- you make fun of there holiest person
2nd- they get angry at it
3rd-you desrcibe them as terrorists, for delcaring they are angery
4th- finally, you propose to kick them out

i feal there is a missing link
can anyone help me out here???
I describe them as terrorists for threatening to kill people because their religion is being made fun of. <edited so I don't get banned> if it can't take a joke. People who can't use words to resolve their religious and cultural disputes in a civil manner should be sent back to the barbarous hell-holes they crawled from.

2nd- they get angry at it



No they threaten violence that is what makes them "terrorists" they are attempting to use terror of large groups for gain

-snip-

Actually, fundamental christians can act just as bad. I have heard that has happened in States (no, I have no link) when someone made jokes in the radio about the puritans that sailed with the Mayflower. The radio-dude received threat-mails and such. Not to mention Southern Europe, in where making fun out of Pope with same furiosity and hatred than this joking about Mohammed.

I guess you want them to the hellhole too?

3rd-you desrcibe them as terrorists, for delcaring they are angery

No, you describe them as terrorists for "circulating images showing bombs exploding over pictures of the newspaper, and blood flowing over the national flag and a map of Denmark" and sending them "hate mail and death threats over the telephone" and writing things like "the Mujahedeen have numerous targets in Denmark - very soon you all will regret this."

People make fun of Jesus, God, and the Pope all the time. I don't see anyone flying planes into buildings because they are upset that Christians have been made fun of.

Not even Fred Phelps or Pat Robertson have followers like that.

I haven't seen anyone flying planes to Danish buildings neither. WTC certainly didn't happen because of jokes.

Actually, fundamental christians can act just as bad. I have heard that has happened in States (no, I have no link) when someone made jokes in the radio about the puritans that sailed with the Mayflower. The radio-dude received threat-mails and such. Not to mention Southern Europe, in where making fun out of Pope with same furiosity and hatred than this joking about Mohammed.

I guess you want them to the hellhole too?
Please edit the part where you quoted me. I've already edited my original post and I don't want to get banned.

Oh, as for christian extremists, if they resort to terrorism I say get rid of them too.

No, you describe them as terrorists for "circulating images showing bombs exploding over pictures of the newspaper, and blood flowing over the national flag and a map of Denmark" and sending them "hate mail and death threats over the telephone" and writing things like "the Mujahedeen have numerous targets in Denmark - very soon you all will regret this."

That's no terrorism yet. That's an idiot sending stupid mails because he is angry. That happens.

Actually, fundamental christians can act just as bad. I have heard that has happened in States (no, I have no link) when someone made jokes in the radio about the puritans that sailed with the Mayflower. The radio-dude received threat-mails and such. Not to mention Southern Europe, in where making fun out of Pope with same furiosity and hatred than this joking about Mohammed.

I guess you want them to the hellhole too?

Really? And how many fiery-eyed Jesuits have walked into a mosque with 10 pounds of cemtex strapped to their chest?

I haven't seen anyone flying planes to Danish buildings neither. WTC certainly didn't happen because of jokes.

It happened because of an attitude.

Once we had made them upset, there wasn't anything we could have done to make things right for them.

Please edit the part where you quoted me. I've already edited my original post and I don't want to get banned.

Oh, as for christian extremists, if they resort to terrorism I say get rid of them too.

Gotcha.

Actually, fundamental christians can act just as bad. I have heard that has happened in States (no, I have no link) when someone made jokes in the radio about the puritans that sailed with the Mayflower. The radio-dude received threat-mails and such. Not to mention Southern Europe, in where making fun out of Pope with same furiosity and hatred than this joking about Mohammed.

I guess you want them to the hellhole too?
The difference being personal threats vs threatining a whole country ... there is a matter of scale for the deffinition of terror

I would be condemning any group that used this sort of tactic regardless of their religion or organization

Really? And how many fiery-eyed Jesuits have walked into a mosque with 10 pounds of cemtex strapped to their chest?

In Denmark, because of jokes? Very few.

That's no terrorism yet. That's an idiot sending stupid mails because he is angry. That happens.
It's called "making terroristic threats" in the US and it's illegal. Plus, muslim extremists tend to carry out their threats, which is why the extremists need to be hunted down and deported, imprisoned or exterminated.

Really? And how many fiery-eyed Jesuits have walked into a mosque with 10 pounds of cemtex strapped to their chest?

I recall a few abortion clinic bombings a few years back.

That's no terrorism yet. That's an idiot sending stupid mails because he is angry. That happens.

If recent history has taught us anything, it is to take Islamist threats seriously.

I recall a few abortion clinic bombings a few years back.
Absoulty true ... that would most deffinatly be an act of terror

The difference being personal threats vs threatining a whole country ... there is a matter of scale for the deffinition of terror

I would be condemning any group that used this sort of tactic regardless of their religion or organization

Good point.

It still isn't terrorism though. But should be checked by police of course, in case they suspect these threaters (if that's a word :rolleyes: ) have any connection with someone that could be thought to be actually dangerous.

to answer most of you
Muslims Unlike christians Dont make fun of God-Jesus-Muhamed or any other, for them, Insulting anything in Islam is not acceptable, its very hard to find muslims making fun of their religion, imagine a non-muslim doing it...

muslims are proud being muslims, its like raping their sister-wife or mother, thats the same fealing...

i hope i made my point clear...
and Madnestan, did you really have to include Fucking terrorists in your sentences, do you really think that all muslims are fucking terrorists???

Good point.

It still isn't terrorism though. But should be checked by police of course, in case they suspect these threaters (if that's a word :rolleyes: ) have any connection with someone that could be thought to be actually dangerous.
Yeah right now there is just a threat of terrorizm rather then an act but they could still be called terrorists

edit:

ter·ror·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tr-rzm)
n.
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.



Threatened use

to answer most of you
Muslims Unlike christians Dont make fun of God-Jesus-Muhamed or any other, for them, Insulting anything in Islam is not acceptable, its very hard to find muslims making fun of their religion, imagine a non-muslim doing it...

muslims are proud being muslims, its like raping their sister-wife or mother, thats the same fealing...

i hope i made my point clear...
and Madnestan, did you really have to include Fucking terrorists in your sentences, do you really think that all muslims are fucking terrorists???
Thats all good and fine but that does not condone terrorism

They are all good and fine to not engage in making fun of their religion ... but the rest of us have a free right to weather we find it tastefull or not

Yeah right now there is just a threat of terrorizm rather then an act but they could still be called terrorists

To be honest, in this spesific case I - and that's just me of course without the knowledge of authorities or even Danish people - don't think this has anything to do with terrorism. One should be carefull of course, but the chances are high for the possibility that the person/s who sent these letters and made these threats aer jsut angry, and want to ride with the fear that the word "terrorism" causes these days.

to answer most of you
Muslims Unlike christians Dont make fun of God-Jesus-Muhamed or any other, for them, Insulting anything in Islam is not acceptable, its very hard to find muslims making fun of their religion, imagine a non-muslim doing it...

muslims are proud being muslims, its like raping their sister-wife or mother, thats the same fealing...

i hope i made my point clear...
and Madnestan, did you really have to include Fucking terrorists in your sentences, do you really think that all muslims are fucking terrorists???
If you're going to live in a free and civilized society you're going to have to deal with forms of expression that offend you. If you can't deal with it leave.

to answer most of you
Muslims Unlike christians Dont make fun of God-Jesus-Muhamed or any other, for them, Insulting anything in Islam is not acceptable, its very hard to find muslims making fun of their religion, imagine a non-muslim doing it...

muslims are proud being muslims, its like raping their sister-wife or mother, thats the same fealing...

That's not an excuse for this behaviour. It's not even an acceptable explanation.

To be honest, in this spesific case I - and that's just me of course without the knowledge of authorities or even Danish people - don't think this has anything to do with terrorism. One should be carefull of course, but the chances are high for the possibility that the person/s who sent these letters and made these threats aer jsut angry, and want to ride with the fear that the word "terrorism" causes these days.
In general I agree with you

But it is a clear cut case of threatning to produce change in society or government

It deffinatly fits the dictionary deffinition (posted in the post you quoted in an edit if you did not see)

to answer most of you
Muslims Unlike christians Dont make fun of God-Jesus-Muhamed or any other, for them, Insulting anything in Islam is not acceptable, its very hard to find muslims making fun of their religion, imagine a non-muslim doing it...

muslims are proud being muslims, its like raping their sister-wife or mother, thats the same fealing...


Hey guess what dude. I'm a pretty proud Catholic and nothing gets me more angry than seeing some idiot dip a crucifix in piss and call it art, smother a portrait of the virgin Mary in elephant dung, or listen to liberal morons who think 3 insane whackos blowing up an abortion clinic is right on par with sophisticated Islamist terror networks.

To me insulting Catholicism is not acceptable, but guess what, in a free society its going to happen, so grow a thicker skin and deal with it.

If you're going to live in a free and civilized society you're going to have to deal with forms of expression that offend you. If you can't deal with it leave.

so a free civilized society teaches you not to respect other peoples beliefs, infact makinng fun of them would encourage the idea???
if thats a free civilized society, then screw that, i want a dictatorship ruling me(thats saarcastic actually, since i AM ruled by a dictator.. heheh{live in egypt})

and Madnestan, did you really have to include Fucking terrorists in your sentences, do you really think that all muslims are fucking terrorists???

I did not. I'm not sure which post you meant, but I certainly do not think "muslims=terrorists" or anything like that. In fact, if you read this thread carefully, you will notice I think quite the opposite.

so a free civilized society teaches you not to respect other peoples beliefs, infact makinng fun of them would encourage the idea???
if thats a free civilized society, then screw that, i want a dictatorship ruling me(thats saarcastic actually, since i AM ruled by a dictator.. heheh{live in egypt})

It's called Freedom of Speech. One of the fundamental freedoms.

so a free civilized society teaches you not to respect other peoples beliefs, infact makinng fun of them would encourage the idea???
if thats a free civilized society, then screw that, i want a dictatorship ruling me(thats saarcastic actually, since i AM ruled by a dictator.. heheh{live in egypt})
We did not say you had to agree with what everyone had to say ... just that you had to let them say it

I absolutly support the right of every human being to make a jackass of themselfs in public including the cartoon drawers

Some of us use that freedom to learn and converse and respect others some dont

Thats the beauty of freedom

so a free civilized society teaches you not to respect other peoples beliefs, infact makinng fun of them would encourage the idea???
if thats a free civilized society, then screw that, i want a dictatorship ruling me(thats saarcastic actually, since i AM ruled by a dictator.. heheh{live in egypt})
A free and civilized society respects the right to express any opinion regardless of who it offends. That's one of the reasons the west has risen to supremacy while the Muslim world, which used to be on top has stagnated and slid backward.

In general I agree with you

But it is a clear cut case of threatning to produce change in society or government

It deffinatly fits the dictionary deffinition (posted in the post you quoted in an edit if you did not see)

Yea, you people got me there. I was wrong about the formal definition. It is pretty loose though, if every "threat" towards society/group of people/nation is terrorism, then Finland (in where I live) is goddamn' filled with terrorists! And wast majority of those aren't muslims.

Hey guess what dude. I'm a pretty proud Catholic and nothing gets me more angry than seeing some idiot dip a crucifix in piss and call it art, smother a portrait of the virgin Mary in elephant dung, or listen to liberal morons who think 3 insane whackos blowing up an abortion clinic is right on par with sophisticated Islamist terror networks.

To me insulting Catholicism is not acceptable, but guess what, in a free society its going to happen, so grow a thicker skin and deal with it.


well you shouldnt agree on it, is there the word RESPECT for the others in the dictionary of free civilized world???

A free and civilized society respects the right to express any opinion regardless of who it offends. That's one of the reasons the west has risen to supremacy while the Muslim world, which used to be on top has stagnated and slid backward.

"Western supremacy over Muslim world" has deeper reasons. Colonialism beeing the most important of them.

well you shouldnt agree on it, is there the word RESPECT for the others in the dictionary of free civilized world???
Respect is not and never will be as important as liberty.

Hey guess what dude. I'm a pretty proud Catholic and nothing gets me more angry than seeing some idiot dip a crucifix in piss and call it art, smother a portrait of the virgin Mary in elephant dung, or listen to liberal morons who think 3 insane whackos blowing up an abortion clinic is right on par with sophisticated Islamist terror networks.

To me insulting Catholicism is not acceptable, but guess what, in a free society its going to happen, so grow a thicker skin and deal with it.
Who said we were liberal?

In fact who said it was on par?

We were just giving an example on how terrorism is not contained within the muslim world

Look at eco terrorists burning down research faculities and such

I describe them as terrorists for threatening to kill people because their religion is being made fun of. <edited so I don't get banned> if it can't take a joke. People who can't use words to resolve their religious and cultural disputes in a civil manner should be sent back to the barbarous hell-holes they crawled from.

Like America

A free and civilized society respects the right to express any opinion regardless of who it offends. That's one of the reasons the west has risen to supremacy while the Muslim world, which used to be on top has stagnated and slid backward.
the muslims world slicking back has nothing to do with Liberlism, its due to colonization, infact Islam is what kept us from falling to the level of Africa and Asian countries, BTW singapor, Dubai, Lebanon, Tunisia, Malaysia, Indonesia, Iran are all muslim countries, and are as civilized as the Great Civilized Western Monster!!!

"West supremacy over Muslim world" has deeper reasons. Colonialism beeing the most important of them.
And the political changes that made that colonialism possible were because of free and open exchange of ideas. Fragmented and repressive kingdoms couldn't have challenged the caliphate, but modern nations made possible by the enlightenment and freed from religious orthodoxy were able to conquer and carve it up.

well you shouldnt agree on it, is there the word RESPECT for the others in the dictionary of free civilized world???
Yup and people as individuals have the FREEDOM to respect or not respect as they choose

Aint it beautifull

"Western supremacy over Muslim world" has deeper reasons. Colonialism being the most important of them.

This goes far before colonialism. Remember, the Arab world used to be the center of learning.

the muslims world slicking back has nothing to do with Liberlism, its due to colonization, infact Islam is what kept us from falling to the level of Africa and Asian countries, BTW singapor, Dubai, Lebanon, Tunisia, Malaysia, Indonesia, Iran are all muslim countries, and are as civilized as the Great Civilized Western Monster!!!
What do you think colonization is due to? You remained backward and insular while the west experimented with new ideas and used them against you.

What do you think colonization is due to? You remained backward and insular while the west experimented with new ideas and used them against you.

and your point is???

and your point is???
Our way is better.

the muslims world slicking back has nothing to do with Liberlism, its due to colonization, infact Islam is what kept us from falling to the level of Africa and Asian countries, BTW singapor, Dubai, Lebanon, Tunisia, Malaysia, Indonesia, Iran are all muslim countries, and are as civilized as the Great Civilized Western Monster!!!

I, personally, would not put Iran, where women are stoned to death for showing their faces in public, on my civilized nation list.

And the political changes that made that colonialism possible were because of free and open exchange of ideas. Fragmented and repressive kingdoms couldn't have challenged the caliphate, but modern nations made possible by the enlightenment and freed from religious orthodoxy were able to conquer and carve it up.

So your point is that Muslim world should know more about free and open change about ideas so that they could conquer and enslave other peoples and continents overseas? In that case I do not know anything about free and open exchange of ideas!

So your point is that Muslim world should know more about free and open change about ideas so that they could conquer and enslave other peoples and continents overseas? In that case I do not know anything about free and open exchange of ideas!
No, so that they can progress to the level of Europe or the US. So that they can accept that not everyone shares or even respects their belief and that it's no reason to blow shit up.

I, personally, would not put Iran, where women are stoned to death for showing their faces in public, on my civilized nation list.
LMAO
who the hell told you that.....
LMAO
you know, i heard lots of crap about us from non-semetics and non-arabs, but thats the best
LMAO
seriuosly, when i tell my friends what you told thell have a blast.... hehehe

let me get you streight with this, since the CNN and NBC is obviuosly airing more crap...

hmmm
in iran, same as Saudi Arabia, women are not allowed to show their Hair, and not faces, second if they do they are not stonned, actually they are given peaces of cloth to wear and they have to pay for it...

man you do think Muslims are like Taliban...
LMAO(getting thrown with stones)
hehe
thats a good one dude... hehe

So your point is that Muslim world should know more about free and open change about ideas so that they could conquer and enslave other peoples and continents overseas? In that case I do not know anything about free and open exchange of ideas!
No more trying to demonstrate the power that it gives society ... what they do with that power is a different discussion lol

What do you think colonization is due to? You remained backward and insular while the west experimented with new ideas and used them against you.

And that's a good thing? Wohoo, viva la freedom?

LMAO
who the hell told you that.....
LMAO
you know, i heard lots of crap about us from non-semetics and non-arabs, but thats the best
LMAO
seriuosly, when i tell my friends what you told thell have a blast.... hehehe

let me get you streight with this, since the CNN and NBC is obviuosly airing more crap...

hmmm
in iran, same as Saudi Arabia, women are not allowed to show their Hair, and not faces, second if they do they are not stonned, actually they are given peaces of cloth to wear and they have to pay for it...

man you do think Muslims are like Taliban...
LMAO(getting thrown with stines)
hehe
thats a good one dude... hehe
Me thinks you are trying so hard ... the attempt to make it sound like natural laughter feels forced and draws all the strength out of your post

LMAO
who the hell told you that.....
LMAO
you know, i heard lots of crap about us from non-semetics and non-arabs, but thats the best
LMAO
seriuosly, when i tell my friends what you told thell have a blast.... hehehe

let me get you streight with this, since the CNN and NBC is obviuosly airing more crap...

hmmm
in iran, same as Saudi Arabia, women are not allowed to show their Hair, and not faces, second if they do they are not stonned, actually they are given peaces of cloth to wear and they have to pay for it...

man you do think Muslims are like Taliban...
LMAO(getting thrown with stines)
hehe
thats a good one dude... hehe
Iran still kills people for being gay. Iran has had little girls sold into prostitution by their parents stoned to death for being whores. Go ahead, defend the barbarians, but soon enough civilization will come knocking and it will come in one way or another.

Can't we all just get along?

Me thinks you are trying so hard ... the attempt to make it sound like natural laughter feels forced and draws all the strength out of your post
dude its not a war
im getting you streight from crap you media is showing

And that's a good thing? Wohoo, viva la freedom?
It's a good thing. Look at the state the Muslim world is in with respect to civil rights. Look at the state Europe is in with respect to civil rights. Which one would you prefer to decide where this world is heading?

Me thinks you are trying so hard ... the attempt to make it sound like natural laughter feels forced and draws all the strength out of your post

He is trying to deliver his thoughts through a language that is certainly not his own. I would like to hear you to express yourself by using his 1st language to see how natural would that sound.

By mocking his writing you make yourself look more pathetic than him.

Can't we all just get along?
Are you kidding?

Iran still kills people for being gay. Iran has had little girls sold into prostitution by their parents stoned to death for being whores. Go ahead, defend the barbarians, but soon enough civilization will come knocking and it will come in one way or another.


actually the gay thing and prostitues is right, but i dont find it barbaric, since almost ALL muslim countries are doing it, well maybe not killing gays, but the Idea of Homosexual is not welcomed in the Arab and middle eastern soceity, and im pretty sure its the same in many areas, other then here even in the civilized liberal west...

and please back your info... where does it say that iran is killing gays???

Are you kidding?

Why would you think I was? Is it so hard to imagine that humanity can embrace its differences?

It's a good thing. Look at the state the Muslim world is in with respect to civil rights. Look at the state Europe is in with respect to civil rights. Which one would you prefer to decide where this world is heading?

I respect the civil rights and freedom of speech as propably the two most important thing in the society. Your examples were just horrifying, as you presented the worst crimes this "western supremacy" has made itself quilty of, colonizing the third world, like ti was a good thing.

He is trying to deliver his thoughts through a language that is certainly not his own. I would like to hear you to express yourself by using his 1st language to see how natural would that sound.

By mocking his writing you make yourself look more pathetic than him.
actually english is my third language
after Arabic(Native) and french...

He is trying to deliver his thoughts through a language that is certainly not his own. I would like to hear you to express yourself by using his 1st language to see how natural would that sound.

By mocking his writing you make yourself look more pathetic than him.
I was not mocking his english translation

I was pointing out how much the forced attempt to portray himself as laughing between statements really detracted from his arguement ... it was about style not language use

actually english is my third language
after Arabic(Native) and french...

Considering that, you're doing fine my brother. :)

actually the gay thing and prostitues is right, but i dont find it barbaric, since almost ALL muslim countries are doing it, well maybe not killing gays, but the Idea of Homosexual is not welcomed in the Arab and middle eastern soceity, and im pretty sure its the same in many areas, other then here even in the civilized liberal west...

and please back your info... where does it say that iran is killing gays???http://isna.ir/Main/NewsView.aspx?ID=News-556874

No government agency in the civilized and liberal west kills or even imprisons people for being gay. In the barbaric and backward middle east, however, things are different.

I was not mocking his english translation

I was pointing out how much the forced attempt to portray himself as laughing between statements really detracted from his arguement ... it was about style not language use

i was trying to express my self in Arabic, while typing in english, you have to forgive me if i send a strange message...
i might be laughing in right areas if i was typing arabic, while seemed wrong and sarcastic when you place them in an English paragraph... if you speak a second language you should understand this....

I was not mocking his english translation

I was pointing out how much the forced attempt to portray himself as laughing between statements really detracted from his arguement ... it was about style not language use

Ok, my mistake then. I just get so pissed of every time I see the arrogance of the British and American people I talk with, when they start to nitpick about someones language like that would make their points and thought less valuable. Good that this was not the case now.

Why would you think I was? Is it so hard to imagine that humanity can embrace its differences?
Yeah, for me it is. I can't imagine humanity getting over it's differences any time soon.

i was trying to express my self in Arabic, while typing in english, you have to forgive me if i send a strange message...
i might be laughing in right areas if i was typing arabic, while seemed wrong and sarcastic when you place them in an English paragraph... if you speak a second language you should understand this....
I do ... (two languages) I guess It was just the feeling I was getting from it for whatever reason

It just felt like when other people to do it to try and convey incredulity that it did not carry well …

Its more the “vocal” to internet translation rather then language translation

http://isna.ir/Main/NewsView.aspx?ID=News-556874

No government agency in the civilized and liberal west kills or even imprisons people for being gay. In the barbaric and backward middle east, however, things are different.
actually the heading says, "beside being gay they have made acts of violence,but i cant read the rest, so i have no idea what was the act of violence...

Ok, my mistake then. I just get so pissed of every time I see the arrogance of the British and American people I talk with, when they start to nitpick about someones language like that would make their points and thought less valuable. Good that this was not the case now.
No it was not that … like I said I think it is vocal to internet translation issue more then language translations

I do ... (two languages) I guess It was just the feeling I was getting from it for whatever reason

It just felt like when other people to do it to try and convey incredulity that it did not carry well …

Its more the “vocal” to internet translation rather then language translation

hehe i can point out several words that i need to put on my dictionary to translat, but i get your point
hehe

Yeah, for me it is. I can't imagine humanity getting over it's differences any time soon.

Perhaps not soon, but why can't you imagine it as a possible reality?

hehe i can point out several words that i need to put on my dictionary to translat, but i get your point
hehe
Lol I know there are some most of my native English speaking friends would as well:p

Perhaps not soon, but why can't you imagine it as a possible reality?
It's at least as far off as interstellar space travel.

It's at least as far off as interstellar space travel.

Can you explain to me why you think so?

It's at least as far off as interstellar space travel.
I would say farther … we as a species are amazing with technological ability … but seem to suck at the psychological

Let Denmark do what America did - ignore the problem for almost a decade, until they fly some planes into a building.


It's the only fair, humane, and politically correct thing to do.
Al Qaeda never flew planes into buildings, they only use bombs. Lets go over why Al-Qaeda did not do the 11/9 attacks:

1) There was no plane crash into the Pentagon. It was a missile that crashd there.

2) WTF are you linking the crash in Shanksville was because of terrorism? Just like all other crashes in the countryside, it was pilot error.

3) The appearance of the debris cloud from tower one clearly looked like what would happen if the tower was Demolished, statrting at the top.

4) There were fighters right by new york, if there were actually some hyjacked planes near the towers, the millitar would shoot them down.

5) The official story just sounds like something a bad leader who keeps choking on pretzels would write.

It seems some Islamist terrorists have threatened various sites in Denmark because a private newspaper and some artists made cartoons depicting Muhammad. I think Denmark had better conduct some raids, expell some illegal Muslim immigrants, and bug some mosques or it's very likely that the country will pay for protecting the free expression of some of it's citizens.

http://denmark.dk/portal/page?_pageid=374,880218&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL

Only expel some, personally I would expel them all, and bug every Mosque, whilst enacted a hell of a lot of raids.

Can you explain to me why you think so?

What was your original claim? That all people of the world would live in peace and harmony?

Can you explain to me why you think so?

Once you've had first hand experience either doing, or watching people do, the hard thing, you'll know why.

It's not something that people just get over. Not something where they read a book, hear a speech, listen to a song, and suddenly get the message.

And people who spread messages like that usually end up being killed.

let's see - they nailed Jesus to a tree. Gandhi was shot. Martin Luther King was shot...

Those kids did nothing more than be gay. They weren't violent, they were queer and the barbarians you defend killed them for it.

Two boys, one aged 18 and one underage minor, were lashed 228 times before being hung by Iranian authorities in the northeastern city of Mashad, PageOneQ has learned.

Within hours of the execution, Members of Iran’s parliament expressed outrage, not for the deaths of the two young men, identified only by the the initials A.M. and M.A., but at journalists who reported the ages of those who were put to death.
from talkleft.com


And the website Iran Focus not only confirms the story but provides more details, reporting that "Members of Iran’s parliament from the north-eastern city of Mashad, where a minor and an 18-year-old man were publicly hanged yesterday, vented their anger on Wednesday on foreign and domestic news outlets for reporting the ages of hanged prisoners...Ultra-conservative deputy Ali Asgari said that the two deserved to be hanged in public, adding, 'Whatever sentence is decreed by an Islamic penal system must be approved, unless proven otherwise.' Asgari complained of foreign and domestic reporting that the two were mere boys. 'Instead of paying tribute to the action of the judiciary, the media are mentioning the age of the hanged criminals and creating a commotion that harms the interests of the state,' the member of the Majlis Legal Affairs Committee said. 'Even if certain websites made a reference to their age, journalists should not pursue this. These individuals were corrupt. Their sentence was carried out with the approval of the judiciary and it served them right.' "

Consensual gay sex in any form is punishable by death in the Islamic Republic of Iran. According to the website Age of Consent, which monitors such laws around the world, in Iran "Homosexuality is illegal, those charged with love-making are given a choice of four deathstyles: being hanged, stoned, halved by a sword, or dropped from the highest perch. According to Article 152, if two men not related by blood are discovered naked under one cover without good reason, both will be punished at a judge's discretion. Gay teens (Article 144) are also punished at a judge's discretion. Rubbing one's penis between the thighs without penetration (tafheed) shall be punished by 100 lashes for each offender. This act, known to the English-speaking world as 'frottage,' is punishable by death if the 'offender' is a non-Muslim. If frottage is thrice repeated and penalty-lashes have failed to stop such repetitions, upon the fourth 'offense' both men will be put to death. According to Article 156, a person who repents and confesses his gay behavior prior to his identification by four witnesses, may be pardoned. Even kissing 'with lust' (Article 155) is forbidden. This bizarre law works to eliminate old Persian male-bonding customs, including common kissing and holding hands in public." And Outrage, in its release about the gay teens' execution, noted that, "according to Iranian human rights campaigners, over 4000 lesbians and gay men have been executed since the Ayatollahs seized power in 1979. Last August, a 16-year-old girl , [Atefeh Rajabi] was hanged [in the Caspian port of Neka] for 'acts incompatible with chastity,' [i.e., sex before marriage]."

In the case of the two teens hanged in Mashhad, "They admitted having gay sex (probably under torture) but claimed in their defense that most young boys had sex with each other and tdhat they were not aware that homosexuality was punishable by death," according to the ISNA report as translated by OutRage. "Prior to their execution, the gay teenagers were held in prison for 14 months and severely beaten with 228 lashes. The length of their detention suggests that they committed the so-called offenses more than a year earlier, when they were possibly around the age of 16."

from http://www.beirut.indymedia.org/ar/2005/07/2999.shtml

Can't we all just get along?

... was my original quote

Al Qaeda never flew planes into buildings, they only use bombs. Lets go over why Al-Qaeda did not do the 11/9 attacks:

1) There was no plane crash into the Pentagon. It was a missile that crashd there.

2) WTF are you linking the crash in Shanksville was because of terrorism? Just like all other crashes in the countryside, it was pilot error.

3) The appearance of the debris cloud from tower one clearly looked like what would happen if the tower was Demolished, statrting at the top.

4) There were fighters right by new york, if there were actually some hyjacked planes near the towers, the millitar would shoot them down.

5) The official story just sounds like something a bad leader who keeps choking on pretzels would write.

Seriously, do you actually believe this? I mean, all resepct for opposing Bush, but when do you intend to tell us he is going to cancel christmas, proclaim himself anti-christ and kill all the ickle bunnies?

Bottom line on all this is Europe and the Americas are free societies. Anyone of any religious persuasion can settle in these areas provided they do not harm anyone elce over thier religion. Yes, people here do make fun of other's religion and many religions here are like black and white. It is bound to happen that way. Yet, 98% of the time everyone agrees to disagree and move on with thier lives. That is what is great about a free society! Bombing abortion clinics, burning down research labs, flying a plane into the side of a building or harming someone over religion or belief is wrong no matter how one looks at it as all it does is cause more contempt of those whose mind you are trying to change.

Seriously, do you actually believe this? I mean, all resepct for opposing Bush, but when do you intend to tell us he is going to cancel christmas, proclaim himself anti-christ and kill all the ickle bunnies?
No. Bush did this to get an excuse to start the Iraq war, and lower America's Civil Liberties.

No. Bush did this to get an excuse to start the Iraq war, and lower America's Civil Liberties.

Not commenting the claim itself, I suggest that you make an own thread for that.

Bottom line on all this is Europe and the Americas are free societies. Anyone of any religious persuasion can settle in these areas provided they do not harm anyone elce over thier religion. Yes, people here do make fun of other's religion and many religions here are like black and white. It is bound to happen that way. Yet, 98% of the time everyone agrees to disagree and move on with thier lives. That is what is great about a free society! Bombing abortion clinics, burning down research labs, flying a plane into the side of a building or harming someone over religion or belief is wrong no matter how one looks at it as all it does is cause more contempt of those whose mind you are trying to change.

then you should live your way and dont judge our ways of life(even if you disagree with it) and well do the same, i guess thats the solution...

Why do you think we are called the Arab World, we live in our own bubbel.
and we feel invaded when someone condems a part of our life, lets just not interact with each other...



about the Gays in Iran.... Islam forbids Homosexuality, just like it forbids Pork, Wine, Killing, Stelaing and Making fun of god and his prophets...
but killing gays, i disagree with Iran, (yet Arabs find Iran having lots of bazzar stuff) anyways... to drop the gay thing...
we dont have to see something from the same side, its normal to be different, we see homosexuality is bad while you see it as normal... i dont care what you see while you attack me for what i see, now who is liberal and civilized???

Arab VS Euro-American Ideologies is not acceptable.
we had our great times, and invented great ideologies, that your ideollllogies are based upon, but NVM that, your like Comparing Us in our golden age with you at the same era... its not fair, and i dont do it... so stop comparing Us(Arabs) with you (West)... and try to concentrat on your problems rather then our problems...

No. Bush did this to get an excuse to start the Iraq war, and lower America's Civil Liberties.
Dude, I already proved to you with a video that Paul Mccartney and his little donkey were responsible. Drop it already.

Dude, I already proved to you with a video that Paul Mccartney and his little donkey were responsible. Drop it already.

I'd like to see that video

No. Bush did this to get an excuse to start the Iraq war, and lower America's Civil Liberties.

Of course, he also dresses up as the boogie man at night and scares children. Oh, don't forget that he wants to cancel christmas, sacrifices virgins, and bathes in their regenerative vital juices.

Where on earth were you educated sweetie?

then you should live your way and dont judge our ways of life(even if you disagree with it) and well do the same, i guess thats the solution...

Why do you think we are called the Arab World, we live in our own bubbel.
and we feel invaded when someone condems a part of our life, lets just not interact with each other...



about the Gays in Iran.... Islam forbids Homosexuality, just like it forbids Pork, Wine, Killing, Stelaing and Making fun of god and his prophets...
but killing gays, i disagree with Iran, (yet Arabs find Iran having lots of bazzar stuff) anyways... to drop the gay thing...
we dont have to see something from the same side, its normal to be different, we see homosexuality is bad while you see it as normal... i dont care what you see while you attack me for what i see, now who is liberal and civilized???

Arab VS Euro-American Ideologies is not acceptable.
we had our great times, and invented great ideologies, that your ideollllogies are based upon, but NVM that, your like Comparing Us in our golden age with you at the same era... its not fair, and i dont do it... so stop comparing Us(Arabs) with you (West)... and try to concentrat on your problems rather then our problems...
When your people lodge death threats because of a cartoon you become our problem. When you fly planes into our buildings or bomb our subways or murder our artists you become our problem. Over time we tend to solve such problems very effectively. I know that it's only some Muslims that do such things, but we're going to have to come into your lands to find and destroy them. Deal with it. Or just keep your terrorists out of our land.

I'd like to see that video
http://www.rathergood.com/chicken/

The chicken represents fear. Like calling someone chicken. Terror = fear.
The baby donkey has a chicken to ride. That implies riding on an airplane. "She don't care" shows that the donkey terrorists aren't afraid to die.

Of course, he also dresses up as the boogie man at night and scares children. Oh, don't forget that he wants to cancel christmas, sacrifices virgins, and bathes in their regenerative vital juices.
Sounds like the Grinch:
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/d/X/bush_grinchmp_small.jpg

Sounds like the Grinch:
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/d/X/bush_grinchmp_small.jpg

Oh yeah, I forgot that one, thanks:p

http://www.rathergood.com/chicken/

The chicken represents fear. Like calling someone chicken. Terror = fear.
The baby donkey has a chicken to ride. That implies riding on an airplane. "She don't care" shows that the donkey terrorists aren't afraid to die.

That's really clever!

When your people lodge death threats because of a cartoon you become our problem. When you fly planes into our buildings or bomb our subways or murder our artists you become our problem. Over time we tend to solve such problems very effectively. I know that it's only some Muslims that do such things, but we're going to have to come into your lands to find and destroy them. Deal with it. Or just keep your terrorists out of our land.

so your giving me some sociology class??

let me give you a History class
when your people Invade our lands, then starting up a NEW country(Israel). as a gift for what they have saw in the Holocust, and give them a free land in Palestine, and expect we will sit still, THEN, waging attacks against our countries, like Somalia, Sudan, Iraq, Syria, and making economic bannigs(or whatever they are called) on them like sudan, Libya, then watching us getting killed under our housese by your presious friends in israel, and agreeing on it, wait that not all, attacking Iraq for no reason(sure MR. Bush has a warm heart to free the Iraqis from the dictators, and assuming arabs will welcome an invasion of their lands)

and what about the Nuclear stuff... Iraq, Iran, Libya are not allowed to have Nuclear weapons, While Israel(again your precious friend) is allowed... what do you think this will make us feal towards your Government and YOU???

"we have ben bombed by americans, now well try to be civilized like they are??"

guess what, it doesnt work that way in real life... You invaded our isolation, when you colonized our lands, then gave us a smell of independence then Bombed us back and started invading our lands... so
can you tell me who started ???

so your giving me some sociology class??

let me give you a History class
when your people Invade our lands, then starting up a NEW country(Israel). as a gift for what they have saw in the Holocust, and give them a free land in Palestine, and expect we will sit still, THEN, waging attacks against our countries, like Somalia, Sudan, Iraq, Syria, and making economic bannigs(or whatever they are called) on them like sudan, Libya, then watching us getting killed under our housese by your presious friends in israel, and agreeing on it, wait that not all, attacking Iraq for no reason(sure MR. Bush has a warm heart to free the Iraqis from the dictators, and assuming arabs will welcome an invasion of their lands)

and what about the Nuclear stuff... Iraq, Iran, Libya are not allowed to have Nuclear weapons, While Israel(again your precious friend) is allowed... what do you think this will make us feal towards your Government and YOU???

"we have ben bombed by americans, now well try to be civilized like they are??"

guess what, it doesnt work that way in real life... You invaded our isolation, when you colonized our lands, then gave us a smell of independence then Bombed us back and started invading our lands... so
can you tell me who started ???

And yet, who was actually inhabiting the holy land first? Judaism originated prior to 2000bc, the fraudulent bilge you parade as a faith began in 600ad. Moreover, the Ottoman empire invaded Europe in the 16th century, the last serious christian-islmaic incursion, whilst we, the christian nations of the world, fight as honest men, not cowards motivated by an interpretation of a scriptue some one and a half millenia old, and in open warfare, not amongst innocent civilians.

but since we are NOT barbaric terrorist, we understand that You as an american citizen is not guilty, while we blame it on the Governmrnt(which btw YOU elect)

and the people who destroyed the WTC are not me nor us, we consider it THEM, we dont consider then arabs nor muslims, because they kill inoccents,
and they are a minority in our society that doesnt exceed 1 in a million..

so your giving me some sociology class??

let me give you a History class
when your people Invade our lands, then starting up a NEW country(Israel). as a gift for what they have saw in the Holocust, and give them a free land in Palestine, and expect we will sit still, THEN, waging attacks against our countries, like Somalia, Sudan, Iraq, Syria, and making economic bannigs(or whatever they are called) on them like sudan, Libya, then watching us getting killed under our housese by your presious friends in israel, and agreeing on it, wait that not all, attacking Iraq for no reason(sure MR. Bush has a warm heart to free the Iraqis from the dictators, and assuming arabs will welcome an invasion of their lands)

and what about the Nuclear stuff... Iraq, Iran, Libya are not allowed to have Nuclear weapons, While Israel(again your precious friend) is allowed... what do you think this will make us feal towards your Government and YOU???

"we have ben bombed by americans, now well try to be civilized like they are??"

guess what, it doesnt work that way in real life... You invaded our isolation, when you colonized our lands, then gave us a smell of independence then Bombed us back and started invading our lands... so
can you tell me who started ???
Emir Feisal gave the Jews all the land west of the Jordan in 1918. Your people promised the land to the Jews, the UN made that promise a reality.

Israel's nuclear weapons have preserved peace in the region by preventing your people from trying time and time again to invade them. Of course we gave them nukes. Those nukes preserve peace. Thinking that terrorists like Iran should have nukes is just insane. Their nukes will invariably lead to war.

Sudan is a genocidal state. They desparately need to be controled by civilized people. We should invade there to restore order, free the slaves and punish the guilty.

Somalia attacked UN troops while they were distributing food to the hungry. Did you think the UN and the US wouldn't act?

And yet, who was actually inhabiting the holy land first? Judaism originated prior to 2000bc, the fraudulent bilge you parade as a faith began in 600ad. Moreover, the Ottoman empire invaded Europe in the 16th century, the last serious christian-islmaic incursion, whilst we, the christian nations of the world, fight as honest men, not cowards motivated by an interpretation of a scriptue some one and a half millenia old, and in open warfare, not amongst innocent civilians.

so your saying, Americans, canadians, Australians, should ALL go back to Europe, while Native americans take their land back???

but since we are NOT barbaric terrorist, we understand that You as an american citizen is not guilty, while we blame it on the Governmrnt(which btw YOU elect)

and the people who destroyed the WTC are not me nor us, we consider it THEM, we dont consider then arabs nor muslims, because they kill inoccents,
and they are a minority in our society that doesnt exceed 1 in a million..

I happen to be english, my dear boy. We welcome you, misguidedly I asure you, to our shores, and you repay us by detonating explosives upon our tube trains, and slaying our people. I assure you you will leave Britain, you intyend to alter it to an islamic state, you are not welcome.

when your people Invade our lands, then starting up a NEW country(Israel). as a gift for what they have saw in the Holocust, and give them a free land in Palestine, and expect we will sit still
Albeit the boundary divisions were rather clumsy, I admit, I do remember that most incoming Jews bought their land from the Arabs fair-and-square....

economic bannigs(or whatever they are called) on them like sudan
You realize, of course, that Sudan is in the middle of a Genocide right now because of religious/cultural differences?

and what about the Nuclear stuff... Iraq, Iran, Libya are not allowed to have Nuclear weapons, While Israel(again your precious friend) is allowed... what do you think this will make us feal towards your Government and YOU???
What good is a nuclear weapon if you can't use it legally?

so your saying, Americans, canadians, Australians, should ALL go back to Europe, while Native americans take their land back???

No, only Islam.

Emir Feisal gave the Jews all the land west of the Jordan in 1918. Your people promised the land to the Jews, the UN made that promise a reality.

Israel's nuclear weapons have preserved peace in the region by preventing your people from trying time and time again to invade them. Of course we gave them nukes. Those nukes preserve peace. Thinking that terrorists like Iran should have nukes is just insane. Their nukes will invariably lead to war.

Sudan is a genocidal state. They desparately need to be controled by civilized people. We should invade there to restore order, free the slaves and punish the guilty.

Somalia attacked UN troops while they were distributing food to the hungry. Did you think the UN and the US wouldn't act?

in all cases YOU ARE VIOLATING AND INTERFEARING OUR LIFE

feisal doesnt resembel the arabs, arabs NEVER agreed on giving palestine away...

Nukes keeping peace???
how is dat...??
you trust a country that has killed hundreds of palestinians yearly, and destroyes their houses over themselves, and puts 5000 prisoner in jail for demosntarting, and its also the same country that is building a wall bigger then Berlin wall around palestinian cities, to jail them in.

is that civilized to you???

how can you trust a country that does all that crap with Nukks

ofcourse i left out the massacars that happened in sabra and shatilla, and the schools it destroyed OVER students...

but they are angels.//

No, only Islam.
ooh so 1.3 billion should go back to arabia
what about 1.9 billion christians, should THEY go back to palestine, and the jews back to egypt...


dude get real

but since we are NOT barbaric terrorist, we understand that You as an american citizen is not guilty, while we blame it on the Governmrnt(which btw YOU elect)

and the people who destroyed the WTC are not me nor us, we consider it THEM, we dont consider then arabs nor muslims, because they kill inoccents,
and they are a minority in our society that doesnt exceed 1 in a million..

Thank you for clearing that up ADS. If we had more in the muslim world speak this and help curb thier activities it may have avoided alot of the fighting in place now.

in all cases YOU ARE VIOLATING AND INTERFEARING OUR LIFE

feisal doesnt resembel the arabs, arabs NEVER agreed on giving palestine away...

Nukes keeping peace???
how is dat...??
you trust a country that has killed hundreds of palestinians yearly, and destroyes their houses over themselves, and puts 5000 prisoner in jail for demosntarting, and its also the same country that is building a wall bigger then Berlin wall around palestinian cities, to jail them in.

is that civilized to you???

how can you trust a country that does all that crap with Nukks

ofcourse i left out the massacars that happened in sabra and shatilla, and the schools it destroyed OVER students...

but they are angels.//
Israel without nukes would still be fighting against it's neighbors. Nukes are what keep the barbarians out. The security fence has prevented bloodthirsty sub-human terrorists from blowing up busloads of working men, women and children. The palestinians have been known to make up massacres that never happened, like Jenin. I stand on the side of Israel.

Albeit the boundary divisions were rather clumsy, I admit, I do remember that most incoming Jews bought their land from the Arabs fair-and-square....



actually they brought 10% of palistine, but not the whole land, and they bought it after they forced palestininas to sell it to them, forcing them like burning there farmlands and cutting off water..
but i guess you dont read much about arab-Israeli conflict

[QUOTE=Drunk commies deleted]Thinking that terrorists like Iran should have nukes is just insane. Their nukes will invariably lead to war./QUOTE]

Iran will certainly not be attacked if they hold a decent WMD. It'll keep them secured from US invasion. They aren't stupid wenough to use it offensively though, as that would lead to immeadiate glassing of the state by the Americans.

ooh so 1.3 billion should go back to arabia
what about 1.9 billion christians, should THEY go back to palestine, and the jews back to egypt...


dude get real

Yet again, only Islam. Ethnic minorities do not reside concurrently in peace, historical precedent verifies that, and were you to return to Arabia, everyone would be much happier.

Think of the children! Won't anyone PLEASE think of the children!

[QUOTE=Drunk commies deleted]Thinking that terrorists like Iran should have nukes is just insane. Their nukes will invariably lead to war./QUOTE]

Iran will certainly not be attacked if they hold a decent WMD. It'll keep them secured from US invasion. They aren't stupid wenough to use it offensively though, as that would lead to immeadiate glassing of the state by the Americans.
They'd build a crude one and hand it to hezbollah to nuke Tel Aviv. Guaranteed.

Think of the children! Won't anyone PLEASE think of the children!

mmm childreen with gravy.. tasty!

Israel without nukes would still be fighting against it's neighbors. Nukes are what keep the barbarians out. The security fence has prevented bloodthirsty sub-human terrorists from blowing up busloads of working men, women and children. The palestinians have been known to make up massacres that never happened, like Jenin. I stand on the side of Israel.

sabra and shatila??
http://www.palestinehistory.com/mass05.htm
jenin
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine52.html

and many more...

mmm childreen with gravy.. tasty!

Not exactly my meaning, but it works all the same

mmm childreen with gravy.. tasty!

That's thinking of the children alright....

[QUOTE=Madnestan]
They'd build a crude one and hand it to hezbollah to nuke Tel Aviv. Guaranteed.

Yup, and my god the war will be awful.

Israel without nukes would still be fighting against it's neighbors. Nukes are what keep the barbarians out. The security fence has prevented bloodthirsty sub-human terrorists from blowing up busloads of working men, women and children. The palestinians have been known to make up massacres that never happened, like Jenin. I stand on the side of Israel.

Israel was given land by people who did not own the land, not to mention lived there. Palestine was given by Brits, not by Palestinians. They were naturally determined to fight against every possible threat, knowing what had just happened to them that is quite understandable. But they have left the Palestinians no option but to fight, economically and politically surrounding, suppressing and besieging the area. Thos palestinian youngsters that blow themselves up have no hope of better future. All they have is their determination, fanatical islamist propaganda coming from everywhere and Israeli tanks and bulldozers destroying their homes.

I stand on the side of Palestinians.

I happen to be english, my dear boy. We welcome you, misguidedly I asure you, to our shores, and you repay us by detonating explosives upon our tube trains, and slaying our people. I assure you you will leave Britain, you intyend to alter it to an islamic state, you are not welcome.
again your judjing muslims on the theory of the 1 terrorist out of a million= a million terrorist, it doesnt work that way.. iv been to france, switzerland, greece, cyprus, and i dont recall bombimng myself, or any of our group there...

I say someone should commit omnicide, that'll solve ALL of our problems! :)

They'd build a crude one and hand it to hezbollah to nuke Tel Aviv. Guaranteed.

Bullshit.

Israel was given land by people who did not own the land, not to mention lived there. Palestine was given by Brits, not by Palestinians. They were naturally determined to fight against every possible threat, knowing what had just happened to them that is quite understandable. But they have left the Palestinians no option but to fight, economically and politically surrounding, suppressing and besieging the area. Thos palestinian youngsters that blow themselves up have no hope of better future. All they have is their determination, fanatical islamist propaganda coming from everywhere and Israeli tanks and bulldozers destroying their homes.

I stand on the side of Palestinians.

Israel. It is simply more stable, liberal and modern.

And less likely to impose upon Britain.

sabra and shatila??
http://www.palestinehistory.com/mass05.htm
jenin
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine52.html

and many more...
Nice sources, pure propaganda from those who want to exterminate Israelis.

The fact is that the BBC originally labeled Jenin a massacre, but when they went there and looked around they had to retract that statement. The Palestinians made the massacre up to slander the people they want to exterminate.

http://www.tenc.net/gilwhite/ranta.htm

again your judjing muslims on the theory of the 1 terrorist out of a million= a million terrorist, it doesnt work that way.. iv been to france, switzerland, greece, cyprus, and i dont recall bombimng myself, or any of our group there...

Perhaps not, but if one million muslims are not in Britain, then the one extremist cannot be a suicide bomber.

Yet again, only Islam. Ethnic minorities do not reside concurrently in peace, historical precedent verifies that, and were you to return to Arabia, everyone would be much happier.
man.. im egyptian
we have been in this land LONG befor Both Judaism and Christianity, so dont you come and tell me to go back to arabia
im not Arabian
im an Arab
do you know the differences???

Israel. It is simply more stable, liberal and modern.

And less likely to impose upon Britain.

All the things the Palestine could be without the Israel agressivenes (and Hamas, which exist's because that and the desperation of the youth of the people).

How Palestine imposes upon Britain I do not know.

Bullshit.
I honestly believe they would, but let's say it is bullshit. You know what they would do instead? They'd use it to counter the Israeli nuclear deterrant in order to allow Israel's neighbors the freedom to attack it.

Perhaps not, but if one million muslims are not in Britain, then the one extremist cannot be a suicide bomber.

You really think that the suicide bomber wouldn't get his way to the country from outside? Without incredible police-state system, that is.

Israel. It is simply more stable, liberal and modern.

And less likely to impose upon Britain.


yeah modern because the USA is adopting it.
israel is nothing, Rien, without USA, and its generous donations, to make it up for them and the holocst play..

yeah modern because the USA is adopting it.
israel is nothing, Rien, without USA, and its generous donations, to make it up for them and the holocst play..

Yeah, and how reliant is the Islamuc world upon the UN for Aid? Personally, I believe Israel should conquer the whole region, it would certainly make affairs easier.

yeah modern because the USA is adopting it.
israel is nothing, Rien, without USA, and its generous donations, to make it up for them and the holocst play..
Israel sells the US technology. They helped develop software that's probably installed in your computer. They're working as partners to create new missile defense systems for the US and Israeli military. Israle has loads of university graduates in science, math and engineering. The arab world has tons of graduates in Islamic studies and claims that Israel is successful only because of the US. It would be funny if it wasn't sad and destructive.

I honestly believe they would, but let's say it is bullshit. You know what they would do instead? They'd use it to counter the Israeli nuclear deterrant in order to allow Israel's neighbors the freedom to attack it.

You opinion of Middle East political situation is quite damn weird... It is not like the Iran was that good friend of Egypt, Syria and Jordania. Those three together with Iraq are/were the main enemies of the Israel, and none of them, especially Iraq, was/is having relations even nearly that warm. And once agtain one should remember that even IRAN'S GOVERNMENT DOES HAVE BRAINS.
1.They get nuke
2.Tel Aviv is blown out.
Same as using it by themselves.

Neither would they be stupid enough to start a nuclear war against Israel to help out the Arabic Coalition, assuming it would be reformed and get beaten by Israel....

Israel sells the US technology. They helped develop software that's probably installed in your computer. They're working as partners to create new missile defense systems for the US and Israeli military. Israle has loads of university graduates in science, math and engineering. The arab world has tons of graduates in Islamic studies and claims that Israel is successful only because of the US. It would be funny if it wasn't sad and destructive.

i rest my case, they are depending on the USA...

israel started off with a huge Aid from jews in the west and arab world, while we started off with wars against France, Britain, Ottomons, Israelis, and are still fighting.

i agree that we are not spending our money correctly, but thats not the case, your enetering another issue, what about the massacers they did??
can you trust them with the massacers???
what massacusrs did we do??

You opinion of Middle East political situation is quite damn weird... It is not like the Iran was that good friend of Egypt, Syria and Jordania. Those three together with Iraq are/were the main enemies of the Israel, and none of them, especially Iraq, was/is having relations even nearly that warm. And once agtain one should remember that even IRAN'S GOVERNMENT DOES HAVE BRAINS.
1.They get nuke
2.Tel Aviv is blown out.
Same as using it by themselves.

Neither would they be stupid enough to start a nuclear war against Israel to help out the Arabic Coalition, assuming it would be reformed and get beaten by Israel....

dude you say what i wanna say, but in good language...

i rest my case, they are depending on the USA...

israel started off with a huge Aid from jews in the west and arab world, while we started off with wars against France, Britain, Ottomons, Israelis, and are still fighting.

i agree that we are not spending our money correctly, but thats not the case, your enetering another issue, what about the massacers they did??
can you trust them with the massacers???
what massacusrs did we do??

9/11
7/7
execution of westerners inBaghdad
suicide bombings in Israel

At least the west fights its battles as true warriors, not clandestine cowards.

Think of the children! Won't anyone PLEASE think of the children!
Why do people think children are any better than us adults? Screw them! Little whiny brats. The world would be alot more enjoyable without them anyways!
*ducks the shoe my wife throws at me*

dude you say what i wanna say, but in good language...

I try to get some balance to this debate, you have good points even as you language isn't perfect. :)

9/11
7/7
execution of westerners inBaghdad
suicide bombings in Israel

At least the west fights its battles as true warriors, not clandestine cowards.

EXACTLY MY POINT...
we dont have governments doing massacres, we have fanatic terrorists,(which are again considered minorities) while you did... and israel did, with a confirmation from the Citizens,

You opinion of Middle East political situation is quite damn weird... It is not like the Iran was that good friend of Egypt, Syria and Jordania. Those three together with Iraq are/were the main enemies of the Israel, and none of them, especially Iraq, was/is having relations even nearly that warm. And once agtain one should remember that even IRAN'S GOVERNMENT DOES HAVE BRAINS.
1.They get nuke
2.Tel Aviv is blown out.
Same as using it by themselves.

Neither would they be stupid enough to start a nuclear war against Israel to help out the Arabic Coalition, assuming it would be reformed and get beaten by Israel....
Iran hates Israel as much as the rest of the region. They're more than willing to assist Syria, who co-sponsors Hezbollah with them, in attacking Israel.

They may have brains, but they're true beleivers. Those types don't always act in their own best interests. Also they may believe that they have plausible deniability and that plausible deniability plus additional nukes in their stockpile protect them from serious consequences.

EXACTLY MY POINT...
we dont have governments doing massacres, we have fanatic terrorists,(which are again considered minorities) while you did... and israel did, with a confirmation from the Citizens,

And who funds the extremists, because I doubt they have a money tree....

9/11
At least the west fights its battles as true warriors, not clandestine cowards.

Now that's the worst bullshit I have heard today! Uncertain whether I should cry nor laugh I want to ask the fairness in driving tanks and bulldozers aganst Palestinians that have merely Kalasnhikovs, mostly rocks to throw, or blasting the families, brothers and relatives of suspected leaders of their enemy with missiles from jetfighters. "True warrior" is not the word I would describe the Israel cutting the water from Palestinian farmers and then pushing them out of their lands, "Buying them" by giving couple of bugs and pointing with a rifle!

That "true warrior"-thing is nothing but a precious myth. Warcrimes conducted by Americans are also known well enough these days not to be listed here, I think...

i rest my case, they are depending on the USA...

israel started off with a huge Aid from jews in the west and arab world, while we started off with wars against France, Britain, Ottomons, Israelis, and are still fighting.

i agree that we are not spending our money correctly, but thats not the case, your enetering another issue, what about the massacers they did??
can you trust them with the massacers???
what massacusrs did we do??
I looked at your massacre propaganda, and I don't trust Israel's sworn enemies to tell the truth about Israel. I also provided a link showing that the Palestinians have faked massacres to slander Israel and gain sympathy.

And who funds the extremists, because I doubt they have a money tree....

Saudi families, but that's ok as they're US allies and deliver oil.

Now that's the worst bullshit I have heard today! Uncertain whether I should cry nor laugh I want to ask the fairness in driving tanks and bulldozers aganst Palestinians that have merely Kalasnhikovs, mostly rocks to throw, or blasting the families, brothers and relatives of suspected leaders of their enemy. "True warrior" is not the word I would describe the Israel cutting the water from Palestinian farmers and then pushing them out of their lands, "Buying them" by giving couple of bugs and pointing with a rifle!

That "true warrior"-thing is nothing but a precious myth. Warcrimes conducted by Americans are also known well enough these days to be listed here, I think...

At least a tank doesn't blow itself up on a bus full of non-combatents. Confront Israel in open war, and the arab world would fall. Cowards.

Check out these site to know what your media doesnt show, becuase of your tender hearts..

http://www.ukar.org/asper/asper01.html
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/genocide.html
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine52.html

please watch the pictures to the end

imagine seeing your nation becoming like this then calling us terrorists
i dissagree with 9/11 and 7/7(london i assume)
but we are being bombed ourselfes, by israelis(in palestine) and the same terrorists that are bombing your cities

Saudi families, but that's ok as they're US allies and deliver oil.
They're ok with W, but not with me. Fucking spoiled rich scumbags who keep their people drunk on religion so they can't see how screwed they are in the long term.

I looked at your massacre propaganda, and I don't trust Israel's sworn enemies to tell the truth about Israel. I also provided a link showing that the Palestinians have faked massacres to slander Israel and gain sympathy.

we dont need your sympathy.. we will do just fine if the west stays away, and mind there business, they brought israel to su, let us solve your Crap...

Hey guys, watch the personal insults. I'm enjoying this thread, and I don't want to see it locked, or see you guys banned. Discussion is important in the world. It helps to settle differences. Let see how civilized we can all be, and treat eachother like human beings.
(except Drunk commies deleted, I'm pretty sure he isn't human )






j/k buddy!;)

Check out these site to know what your media doesnt show, becuase of your tender hearts..

http://www.ukar.org/asper/asper01.html
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/genocide.html
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine52.html

please watch the pictures to the end

imagine seeing your nation becoming like this then calling us terrorists
i dissagree with 9/11 and 7/7(london i assume)
but we are being bombed ourselfes, by israelis(in palestine) and the same terrorists that are bombing your cities
Organ robbery? Genocide? Get this straight. If Israel wanted to conduct a genocide there would be no palestinians alive today. The fact that the Palestinian population is growing faster than the Israeli population shows how fucking lenient and mercifull Israel has been. Your links are a waste of time.

we dont need your sympathy.. we will do just fine if the west stays away, and mind there business, they brought israel to su, let us solve your Crap...

i dont think a half blown person (dead), is acting that he got killed , BTW they are not arab made sites, they are too good for arab made sites...

what do you want to believe me, or are you just arguing for the sack of it???

At least a tank doesn't blow itself up on a bus full of non-combatents. Confront Israel in open war, and the arab world would fall. Cowards.

You mean, send the obsolete armor of poorly trained Arab armies to face the 2nd best equipped, US-funded/aided military in the world, to fight eachothers in the desert? Yea, cowards, right...

Turn it other way around.

Give Israeli youth Kalashnikovs and send them to the streets of Jerusalem to face the Palestinians. Will they have balls for this? No?

Are they cowards?

we dont need your sympathy.. we will do just fine if the west stays away, and mind there business, they brought israel to su, let us solve your Crap...
Your people need something. Personally I think they need to westernize and modernize. They're no less capable than anyone else, but adherence to their old ways has left them poor, ignorant and bitter.

we dont need your sympathy.. we will do just fine if the west stays away, and mind there business, they brought israel to su, let us solve your Crap...

Really, until you need UN aid that is.

I assure you we will defend Israel to the hilt, and it is you who will fall beneath the falacy that is Islam.

You mean, send the obsolete armor of poorly trained Arab armies to face the 2nd best equipped, US-funded/aided military in the world, to fight eachothers in the desert? Yea, cowards, right...

Turn it other way around.

Give Israeli youth Kalashnikovs and send them to the streets of Jerusalem to face the Palestinians. Will they have balls for this? No?

Are they cowards?

Why should war be equal. If fundamentalists will die for theior faith, surely they will be willing to fight the Israeli army in combat? Apparently not, cowardly dogs.

Organ robbery? Genocide? Get this straight. If Israel wanted to conduct a genocide there would be no palestinians alive today. The fact that the Palestinian population is growing faster than the Israeli population shows how fucking lenient and mercifull Israel has been. Your links are a waste of time.
thanks for making me realize what a wast of time our discusion is, i actually was starting to think you realy knew what you were talking about but,
i have learned a lesson today, which is, you are


Brainwashed

i petty you seriuosly...

keep smiling , eating Big Mac's, Watching Moveis, and reading bullshit about the region, while they get killed...

israel cant massacre all of the palestinians, they are nit that dumb, to kill in massive numbers, Serbs tried that but didnt work, so did sadam.

Organ robbery? Genocide? Get this straight. If Israel wanted to conduct a genocide there would be no palestinians alive today. The fact that the Palestinian population is growing faster than the Israeli population shows how fucking lenient and mercifull Israel has been. Your links are a waste of time.

Oh, it's "mercy" now, not to slaughter the entire population of the opponent? *Aplodes to Israel*. Population grows faster due the poverty, that's how it works. In poor countries people have to make more children to secure their old days, it happens everywhere in the world. It's not because Israel is so kind, ffs!

thanks for making me realize what a wast of time our discusion is, i actually was starting to think you realy knew what you were talking about but,
i have learned a lesson today, which is, you are


Brainwashed

i petty you seriuosly...

keep smiling , eating Big Mac's, Watching Moveis, and reading bullshit about the region, while they get killed...

israel cant massacre all of the palestinians, they are nit that dumb, to kill in massive numbers, Serbs tried that but didnt work, so did sadam.

Hitler did it, and oh look, it worked.

Why should war be equal. If fundamentalists will die for theior faith, surely they will be willing to fight the Israeli army in combat? Apparently not, cowardly dogs.

Double standard. You want the other side to act foolishly, and if they don't, they're cowards, but it doesn't work other way around...

Really, until you need UN aid that is.

I assure you we will defend Israel to the hilt, and it is you who will fall beneath the falacy that is Islam.

since you tend to change this conversation into a religious issue, remeber what happened in 2003 in bethlehem???

the attack on priests, and killing christian piligrams, or did your media hide that too???
israel is not only attacking muslims, they are also attacking Arab Christians...

BTW Jesus was a semetic, so was Isaac, Moses, Abraham, Noah,, they were all semetics, meaning they were all middle eastern ...

thanks for making me realize what a wast of time our discusion is, i actually was starting to think you realy knew what you were talking about but,
i have learned a lesson today, which is, you are


Brainwashed

i petty you seriuosly...

keep smiling , eating Big Mac's, Watching Moveis, and reading bullshit about the region, while they get killed...

israel cant massacre all of the palestinians, they are nit that dumb, to kill in massive numbers, Serbs tried that but didnt work, so did sadam.
I'm far from brainwashed. I get my information from many different sources and make up my own mind.

As for you, keep watching Al Jazeera (there are no Americans in Baghdad, yeah right) eating falafel and reading bullshit published by Hassan al Banna years before you were born and just as wrong then as it is now.

Double standard. You want the other side to act foolishly, and if they don't, they're cowards, but it doesn't work other way around...

Why should the Israeli's act foolishly, they have the second most advanced army on earth?

since you tend to change this conversation into a religious issue, remeber what happened in 2003 in bethlehem???

the attack on priests, and killing christian piligrams, or did your media hide that too???
israel is not only attacking muslims, they are also attacking Arab Christians...

BTW Jesus was a semetic, so was Isaac, Moses, Abraham, Noah,, they were all semetics, meaning they were all middle eastern ...

How fascinating, unfortunately, I happen to be a dedicated agnostic, and were I to be religious, I would be Jewish.

since you tend to change this conversation into a religious issue, remeber what happened in 2003 in bethlehem???
Well, do you remember what happened there a year ago? After the passover bombings, the Palestinian terrorists held themselved up in the Church of the Nativity.
No side is 100% innocent in this.

since you tend to change this conversation into a religious issue, remeber what happened in 2003 in bethlehem???

the attack on priests, and killing christian piligrams, or did your media hide that too???
israel is not only attacking muslims, they are also attacking Arab Christians...

BTW Jesus was a semetic, so was Isaac, Moses, Abraham, Noah,, they were all semetics, meaning they were all middle eastern ...
Yeah, as I recall palestinian terrorists hijacked the church of the nativity, held the christian clerics inside hostage, defacated on the floor, and tried to turn the church into a makeshift mosque for their prayers. Imagine if US troops tried something like that in Iraq?

Oh, it's "mercy" now, not to slaughter the entire population of the opponent? *Aplodes to Israel*. Population grows faster due the poverty, that's how it works. In poor countries people have to make more children to secure their old days, it happens everywhere in the world. It's not because Israel is so kind, ffs!
Slaughter the entire population of the opponent?

The Palestinian population is growing faster than the Israeli population, so why are you bringing up this debunked genocide bullshit?

Your people need something. Personally I think they need to westernize and modernize. They're no less capable than anyone else, but adherence to their old ways has left them poor, ignorant and bitter.
strange that the arab countries that are trying to modernize are the poor ones, while the rich oil states, stuck to there traditions, and way of life(the old one) are the rich ones....hmm??? wonder why??

maybe because its not about westernization, if we become westernized then who would we be??? the west????

did you see 7 years in tibet, the chinese embassador telling the tibetians that religion is poisin, your like telling me the same thing, but indirect..
so long for librelism

Why should the Israeli's act foolishly, they have the second most advanced army on earth?

*SIGH* Sooooooooo, why would the palestinians do so then? :rolleyes: I hope you're joking, as I refuse to believe you're that childish really....

But now, bedtime. Good conversation, except this stupid "who's braver warrior"-debate here. Cya.

strange that the arab countries that are trying to modernize are the poor ones, while the rich oil states, stuck to there traditions, and way of life(the old one) are the rich ones....hmm??? wonder why??

maybe because its not about westernization, if we become westernized then who would we be??? the west????

did you see 7 years in tibet, the chinese embassador telling the tibetians that religion is poisin, your like telling me the same thing, but indirect..
so long for librelism
Don't just look at arab countries. Look at Indonesia too. They're Muslim, but they're (at least in the cities) modern and westernized. They have a prosperous economy and the respect of the world.

Yeah, as I recall palestinian terrorists hijacked the church of the nativity, held the christian clerics inside hostage, defacated on the floor, and tried to turn the church into a makeshift mosque for their prayers. Imagine if US troops tried something like that in Iraq?

lmao
wow
you keep on suprising me with you missled info
....suddenly the clerics refusing to send the palestinians out to israel, while israel shoots the churches walls, becomes a hijak church senario... do you work in hollywood...
??? just a Q??

strange that the arab countries that are trying to modernize are the poor ones, while the rich oil states, stuck to there traditions, and way of life(the old one) are the rich ones....hmm??? wonder why??

maybe because its not about westernization, if we become westernized then who would we be??? the west????

did you see 7 years in tibet, the chinese embassador telling the tibetians that religion is poisin, your like telling me the same thing, but indirect..
so long for librelism

My word, if you westernised, you would become the west. How very intriguing.

To all intents and purposes, Religion is the opiate of the masses, and as a conservative, I use the quote with heavy heart.

I'm far from brainwashed. I get my information from many different sources and make up my own mind.

As for you, keep watching Al Jazeera (there are no Americans in Baghdad, yeah right) eating falafel and reading bullshit published by Hassan al Banna years before you were born and just as wrong then as it is now.

dude hassan el banna is in the Loony hospital

hehe, i cant believ you read to him,,, we laugh at his arctilce we even make jokes on them,,, along with sadam and binladen
lmao

btw i dont watch al-jezeera i watch BBC, Al[Arabiya, Euro News DWTV. i even watch cctv9

anyways i gtg to bed too its 11:41pm and have college 2morow

lmao
wow
you keep on suprising me with you missled info
....suddenly the clerics refusing to send the palestinians out to israel, while israel shoots the churches walls, becomes a hijak church senario... do you work in hollywood...
??? just a Q??
Well if Wikipedia can corroborate what we say, we must not be that far from the truth:
In 2002 200 Palestinians, including 50 armed fighters entered and occupied the Church of the Nativity for 39 days. They were seeking refuge from an Israeli Defense Force action against suicide bombing activity occurring in the West Bank. Israeli army snipers killed seven and wounded more than forty people during the siege. Following extensive negotiations, the Israeli army lifted the siege on condition that 13 of the Palestinian fighters were deported to Cyprus and another 26 transferred to the Gaza Strip.
Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_nativity#2002_Siege). Unless, of course, you're going to call Wikipedia biased and pro-Israeli?

lmao
wow
you keep on suprising me with you missled info
....suddenly the clerics refusing to send the palestinians out to israel, while israel shoots the churches walls, becomes a hijak church senario... do you work in hollywood...
??? just a Q??
http://www.israelinsider.com/channels/security/articles/sec_0234.htm
http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp490.htm
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-cohen042402.asp
http://www.internationalwallofprayer.org/A-019-Church-of-The-Nativity-War-Crimes-Ariel-Cohen.html

Don't just look at arab countries. Look at Indonesia too. They're Muslim, but they're (at least in the cities) modern and westernized. They have a prosperous economy and the respect of the world.
did you see how Cairo looks like???
Beirut???
Dubai???

if your comparing cities, we are as modernized as poland or russia...


the only site availabe, but will do i think
http://www.friendlyplanet.com/pyramids-nile-cruise.html

goodnight all...nice talking to you... and try putting yourselves in others shoes...

did you see how Cairo looks like???
Beirut???
Dubai???

if your comparing cities, we are as modernized as poland or russia...
Modernization is more than hiring people to build pretty cities. It involved placing more value on things like education and the economy and less in outdated social rules and religion.

if your comparing cities, we are as modernized as poland or russia...
We forgot Poland! :eek:
In Soviet Russia, city builds you!

Modernization is more than hiring people to build pretty cities. It involved placing more value on things like education and the economy and less in outdated social rules and religion.

we are an emerging 2nd world country, what do you expect???

im not telling you we are like France, and you shouldnt expect us to be like them, we are building ourselves slowly, to creat a new atmosphere to combine modernization with our religion, traditions and values...

as semetics we worshipe those three stuff, like italians worhip, love romance and food, or americans worship work, its a culture thing that will NEVER change, even if we want it to, its how god created us...

anyway i gtg to sleep for the third time
lol

the muslims world slicking back has nothing to do with Liberlism, its due to colonization, infact Islam is what kept us from falling to the level of Africa and Asian countries, BTW singapor, Dubai, Lebanon, Tunisia, Malaysia, Indonesia, Iran are all muslim countries, and are as civilized as the Great Civilized Western Monster!!!

I, personally, would not put Iran, where women are stoned to death for showing their faces in public, on my civilized nation list.

i would also take singapore off that list... as it isn't a muslim country.

that and malaysian officials are very corrupt... hince if you're a white guy driving down the street, you'll be stopped by the police and be forced to give "coffee money" to them.... not saying that the US gov't isn't corrupt... but not as corrupt as some.

but since we are NOT barbaric terrorist, we understand that You as an american citizen is not guilty, while we blame it on the Governmrnt(which btw YOU elect)

and the people who destroyed the WTC are not me nor us, we consider it THEM, we dont consider then arabs nor muslims, because they kill inoccents,
and they are a minority in our society that doesnt exceed 1 in a million..

Yet you defend them to the end, refuse to denounce them, aid them financially, and actively spread their propaganda and denounce those that defend themselves. That alone makes their numbers far more than 1 in a million. With a sympathetic consensus of 40%, your, "they are not us" excuse no longer flies with most reasonable people. It had a lot fooled for a very long time, but no longer.

Yet you defend them to the end, refuse to denounce them, aid them financially, and actively spread their propaganda and denounce those that defend themselves. That alone makes their numbers far more than 1 in a million. With a sympathetic consensus of 40%, your, "they are not us" excuse no longer flies with most reasonable people. It had a lot fooled for a very long time, but no longer.
Especially since his first post on this thread attempted to excuse the reaction of the terrorists to the cartoons by saying this

let me get this straight

1st- you make fun of there holiest person
2nd- they get angry at it
3rd-you desrcibe them as terrorists, for delcaring they are angery
4th- finally, you propose to kick them out

i feal there is a missing link
can anyone help me out here???

The posts that Arab Democratic States made in this thread is a typical example of muslim arrogance. They move to our countries and when they get here they demand that islam is held in higher regard than established religions. They demand that offending them is prohibited by law, a protection that isn't afforded to other religions in western secular states. Then when they can't get what they want, they make death threats to anybody that offends their pathetic religion. And as this poster proves, even those muslims who don't make the threats defend those who commit them.

And people here wonder why I despise all muslims....

-snip-
No, that's what the loud but small fundamentalist minority demands - hey, wouldn't ya find it funny that the two Muslims I know actually *support* Bush?!?!? [/sarcasm]omg omg omg[/sarcasm]

The posts that Arab Democratic States made in this thread is a typical example of muslim arrogance. They move to our countries and when they get here they demand that islam is held in higher regard than established religions. They demand that offending them is prohibited by law, a protection that isn't afforded to other religions in western secular states. Then when they can't get what they want, they make death threats to anybody that offends their pathetic religion. And as this poster proves, even those muslims who don't make the threats defend those who commit them.

And people here wonder why I despise all muslims....
I don't despise all muslims, but the arrogance you describe seems kinda widespread. For example, Muslims in Western nations can use death threats to make sure we respect their religion, but westerners don't have the right to meddle in affairs in Muslim nations according to many. Fuck that.

did you see how Cairo looks like???
Beirut???
Dubai???

if your comparing cities, we are as modernized as poland or russia...


the only site availabe, but will do i think
http://www.friendlyplanet.com/pyramids-nile-cruise.html

goodnight all...nice talking to you... and try putting yourselves in others shoes...
WEll, poland is very modernized. Poland is now a 1st world nation, not 2nd world.

WEll, poland is very modernized. Poland is now a 1st world nation, not 2nd world.

Hah!

WEll, poland is very modernized. Poland is now a 1st world nation, not 2nd world.
Well obviously, He forgot Poland!

People make fun of Jesus, God, and the Pope all the time. I don't see anyone flying planes into buildings because they are upset that Christians have been made fun of.

Not even Fred Phelps or Pat Robertson have followers like that.

However, Phelps does laud people who do such things. Check out his sites, if you have a strong stomach. The bastard praises, among other things, 9/11, the London terrorist bombings, the Southeast Asian tsunami, Hurricane Katrina, etc. He's a real piece of crap.

However, Phelps does laud people who do such things. Check out his sites, if you have a strong stomach. The bastard praises, among other things, 9/11, the London terrorist bombings, the Southeast Asian tsunami, Hurricane Katrina, etc. He's a real piece of crap.
Speaking of Phelps, his 'God Hates' sites have recently bit him in the a**, becasue there now exists a God Hates Fred Phelps site!!! :D
(no linking to it coz the M0ds disallow it)

I just think that Islam is moving into the wrong direction. It used to be a relatively tolerant and scientific community, and now in some countries walking without the hejab can get you in trouble, and drawing a comic or making a movie gets you killed.
The Renaissance is pretty much entirely thanks to the Muslim world picking up where the Greeks and Romans had left it - while Christians proceeded to burn each other for 500 years or more.
Look at Moorish Spain, that was a more advanced and free society than all the European ones. I just watched a documentary yesterday that outlined how much that culture influenced the rest of Europe to this day.

That so many leaders in Islam have instead become rather dogmatic, and define themselves against the West is unfortunate.
But that is not a problem with the faith itself, nor with the vast majority of people who believe in it. It's a problem with a few scholars who somehow managed to turn Islam around in the past hundred years or so.
The hope is that a new creed of scholars will be able to present an alternative on a larger scale, such that Sharia Law does not necessarily turn into oppression, and the afterlife no longer needs to take total precedence over the real world.

Has anyone read a 2004 speech by Haim Harari? Here's an excerpt that defines part of the problem. He does offer solutions, but you'll need to read the speech in full.

My view is that the Arab people need to decide whether they want to have a great civilization as they once did. If so, they need to change their course. They are going the wrong way.

"...The root of the trouble is that this entire Moslem region is totally dysfunctional, by any standard of the word, and would have been so even if Israel would have joined the Arab league and an independent Palestine would have existed for 100 years. The 22 member countries of the Arab league, from Mauritania to the Gulf States, have a total population of 300 millions, larger than the US and almost as large as the EU before its expansion. They have a land area larger than either the US or all of Europe. These 22 countries, with all their oil and natural resources, have a combined GDP smaller than that of Netherlands plus Belgium and equal to half of the GDP of California alone. Within this meager GDP, the gaps between rich and poor are beyond belief and too many of the rich made their money not by succeeding in business, but by being corrupt rulers. The social status of women is far below what it was in the Western World 150 years ago. Human rights are below any reasonable standard, in spite of the grotesque fact that Libya was elected Chair of the UN Human Rights commission. According to a report prepared by a committee of Arab intellectuals and published under the auspices of the U.N., the number of books translated by the entire Arab world is much smaller than what little Greece alone translates. The total number of scientific publications of 300 million Arabs is less than that of 6 million Israelis. Birth rates in the region are very high, increasing the poverty, the social gaps and the cultural decline. And all of this is happening in a region, which only 30 years ago, was believed to be the next wealthy part of the world, and in a Moslem area, which developed, at some point in history, one of the most advanced cultures in the world.

It is fair to say that this creates an unprecedented breeding ground for cruel dictators, terror networks, fanaticism, incitement, suicide murders and general decline. It is also a fact that almost everybody in the region blames this situation on the United States, on Israel, on Western Civilization, on Judaism and Christianity, on anyone and anything, except themselves...

..I should also say a word about the millions of decent, honest, good people who are either devout Moslems or are not very religious but grew up in Moslem families. They are double victims of an outside world, which now develops Islamophobia and of their own environment, which breaks their heart by being totally dysfunctional. The problem is that the vast silent majority of these Moslems are not part of the terror and of the incitement but they also do not stand up against it. They become accomplices, by omission, and this applies to political leaders, intellectuals, business people and many others. Many of them can certainly tell right from wrong, but are afraid to express their views..."

http://www.freeman.org/m_online/jul04/harari.htm

Has anyone read a 2004 speech by Haim Harari? Here's an excerpt that defines part of the problem. He does offer solutions, but you'll need to read the speech in full.


http://www.freeman.org/m_online/jul04/harari.htm
That was a damn good read. Great article!

Okay, now I have to go to bed -- work tomorrow -- but first:

I've read this whole thread. Based on it, I conclude we're all doomed.

Arabs and non-Arabs alike are clearly so caught up in the conflict that they can't stop throwing inflamatory propaganda at each other -- Islam is barbaric and backward, Israelis slaughter Muslims for their organs. What nonsense! You'll accuse each other of poisoning wells and eating each other's babies next. Ugh! It's like a convention of medieval peasants around here.

Is anybody interested in discussing how to end this conflict? Do any of you even want to end it? Or do you just want to spend all your time throwing insults and bombs at each other and everybody who gets caught between you?

Has anyone read a 2004 speech by Haim Harari? Here's an excerpt that defines part of the problem. He does offer solutions, but you'll need to read the speech in full.

My view is that the Arab people need to decide whether they want to have a great civilization as they once did. If so, they need to change their course. They are going the wrong way.

"...The root of the trouble is that this entire Moslem region is totally dysfunctional, by any standard of the word, and would have been so even if Israel would have joined the Arab league and an independent Palestine would have existed for 100 years. The 22 member countries of the Arab league, from Mauritania to the Gulf States, have a total population of 300 millions, larger than the US and almost as large as the EU before its expansion. They have a land area larger than either the US or all of Europe. These 22 countries, with all their oil and natural resources, have a combined GDP smaller than that of Netherlands plus Belgium and equal to half of the GDP of California alone. Within this meager GDP, the gaps between rich and poor are beyond belief and too many of the rich made their money not by succeeding in business, but by being corrupt rulers. The social status of women is far below what it was in the Western World 150 years ago. Human rights are below any reasonable standard, in spite of the grotesque fact that Libya was elected Chair of the UN Human Rights commission. According to a report prepared by a committee of Arab intellectuals and published under the auspices of the U.N., the number of books translated by the entire Arab world is much smaller than what little Greece alone translates. The total number of scientific publications of 300 million Arabs is less than that of 6 million Israelis. Birth rates in the region are very high, increasing the poverty, the social gaps and the cultural decline. And all of this is happening in a region, which only 30 years ago, was believed to be the next wealthy part of the world, and in a Moslem area, which developed, at some point in history, one of the most advanced cultures in the world.

It is fair to say that this creates an unprecedented breeding ground for cruel dictators, terror networks, fanaticism, incitement, suicide murders and general decline. It is also a fact that almost everybody in the region blames this situation on the United States, on Israel, on Western Civilization, on Judaism and Christianity, on anyone and anything, except themselves...

..I should also say a word about the millions of decent, honest, good people who are either devout Moslems or are not very religious but grew up in Moslem families. They are double victims of an outside world, which now develops Islamophobia and of their own environment, which breaks their heart by being totally dysfunctional. The problem is that the vast silent majority of these Moslems are not part of the terror and of the incitement but they also do not stand up against it. They become accomplices, by omission, and this applies to political leaders, intellectuals, business people and many others. Many of them can certainly tell right from wrong, but are afraid to express their views..."

http://www.freeman.org/m_online/jul04/harari.htm


And this is why invading Iraq and removing Saddam , putting him on trial for the rest of the region to see and developing a democracy are so important .
Democracy in the region will lead to better conditions and greater economic growth and a lessening of the divide between rich and poor . This is how you fight terrorism , along with killing all the terrorist you can find .

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http://www.freeman.org/m_online/jul04/harari.htm
Absolutely correct. Arabs are no less capable of succeeding than anyone else, but instead of choosing strategies that lead to knowledge, wealth, enlightenment and power they've chosen to blame all their problems on the outside world and get more bitter and angry by the day. If we ever want to see an end to Muslim extremism we have a responsibility to teach these people how to live in a modern world. Of course that will provoke more attacks in the short term, but if we don't the only option is a global war between the Arabs and everyone else.

The posts that Arab Democratic States made in this thread is a typical example of muslim arrogance. They move to our countries and when they get here they demand that islam is held in higher regard than established religions. They demand that offending them is prohibited by law, a protection that isn't afforded to other religions in western secular states. Then when they can't get what they want, they make death threats to anybody that offends their pathetic religion. And as this poster proves, even those muslims who don't make the threats defend those who commit them.

And people here wonder why I despise all muslims....

I don't, I join in....:p