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Christmas Is Coming

Sierra BTHP
24-10-2005, 19:40
Yes, and I was reading David Sedaris, and his little piece about Christmas in other countries - European countries, to be specific. I'd like all of you who actually do Christmas (even if you're complete atheists) to let me know what your local Christmas is like, what, if anything the locals do or believe, or if you all just blow the whole thing off, and go down to the clay pits and drink.

And since we have so many people from the Netherlands here, perhaps they could verify the story...

..... In France and Germany, gifts are exchanged on Christmas Eve, while in Holland the children receive presents on December 5, in celebration of Saint Nicholas Day. It sounded sort of quaint until I spoke to a man named Oscar, who filled me in on a few of the details as we walked from my hotel to the Amsterdam train station. Unlike the jolly, obese American Santa, Saint Nicholas is painfully thin and dresses not unlike the pope, topping his robes with a tall hat resembling an embroidered tea cozy. The outfit, I was told, is a carryover from his former career, when he served as a bishop in Turkey.
..... The words silly and unrealistic were redefined when I learned that Saint Nicholas travels with what was consistently described as "six to eight black men." I asked several Dutch people to narrow it down, but none of them could give me an exact number. It was always "six to eight," which seems strange, seeing as they've had hundreds of years to get a decent count.
The six to eight black men were characterized as personal slaves until the mid-fifties, when the political climate changed and it was decided that instead of being slaves they were just good friends. I think history has proven that something usually comes between slavery and friendship, a period of time marked not by cookies and quiet times beside the fire but by bloodshed and mutual hostility. They have such violence in Holland, but rather than duking it out among themselves, Santa and his former slaves decided to take it out on the public. In the early years, if a child was naughty, Saint Nicholas and the six to eight black men would beat him with what Oscar described as "the small branch of a tree."
"A switch?"
"Yes," he said. "That's it. They'd kick him and beat him with a switch. Then, if the youngster was really bad, they'd put him in a sack and take him back to Spain."
"Saint Nicholas would kick you?"
"Well, not anymore," Oscar said. "Now he just pretends to kick you."
"And the six to eight black men?"
"Them, too."
I V Stalin
24-10-2005, 19:50
Drink, get presents, drink, eat, drink, watch tv, drink, drunkenly fall asleep watching tv.
Although this year my parents have (only half-jokingly) said that as I'm agnostic and a vegetarian, there's no real point in me celebrating Christmas, so I might as well find a job on Christmas Day and make a shitload of cash instead. But I'm too lazy. Ah, well.
Sinuhue
24-10-2005, 19:59
Our Christmas is a bit of a fight every year, because my husband (a Chilean) is used to celebrating it on Christmas Eve (Santa comes around midnight...and you never quite seem to be able to catch him at it), and I'm used to celebrating on the Christmas morning. To me, it makes more sense to do it in the morning, because when you open all those presents at night, the kids get totally wound up and can't sleep...sure, they have a hard time sleeping because they are so excited when it's a morning celebration...but I'm talking the difference between tossing around in your bed and running around screaming bloody murder at the top of your lungs. Guess which one I prefer! I plan on getting my way, however. Mornings it shall be. Open present in the morning, and it's off to the grandparent's house for turkey...and the next day (or the previous day) at the other grandparent's house for a barbeque.
Pure Metal
24-10-2005, 20:02
The words silly and unrealistic were redefined when...
and a jolly fat man living in lapland, making and delivering toys to all the kids in the world in a single night, somehow slipping magically down their chimneys and riding around in a flying wooden sled isn't silly OR unrealistic?! lol :p
... and his wardrobe and image redefined by coca cola's branding department of course ;)


just a difference of cultures is all - not weird, silly or unrealistic.

my mum is german, so every other year (though in practice more like every so often) we do the german thing and open presents on xmas eve. its sweet ;)