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Science is now able to make hybrids through genetic engineering that puts animal DNA in humans and human DNA in animals. This has the possibility of animal production of human medical needs, such as insulin. Or allowing humans to receive animal DNA that would strengthen organs or disease resistance.

One of the first areas is implanting human genes in goats, so the goat milk contains human hormones.

Science is now able to make hybrids through genetic engineering that puts animal DNA in humans and human DNA in animals. This has the possibility of animal production of human medical needs, such as insulin. Or allowing humans to receive animal DNA that would strengthen organs or disease resistance.

One of the first areas is implanting human genes in goats, so the goat milk contains human hormones.
YA these hybrids should be allowed.

Indeed. The medical advantages far, far outweigh whatever moral qualms can be raised against having goats make insulin. Of course, granting human intelligence to animals is where the line gets fuzzy.

Indeed. The medical advantages far, far outweigh whatever moral qualms can be raised against having goats make insulin. Of course, granting human intelligence to animals is where the line gets fuzzy.
Mor..als? What are they?

I want centaurs!

Mor..als? What are they?

Morals is where you have a load of blokes named Al in one room, and then a bunch of other blokes named Al in another. Whichever room has more Als, that room has morals.

I want centaurs!

Y-E-S.

Only if they look as Hot as Dark Angel.

Of course it should be allowed. Human cloning should be allowed too. I've always wanted a Mini-me. :D

Hell No. Has anyone read The Island of Dr. Moreau?

Hell No. Has anyone read The Island of Dr. Moreau?
Erm... no tell me about it.

Of course, think of the fun we could have with mythological beasts.....

Think of all the Necks that could be broken.

In biology a chimera is a single animal organism with genetically distinct cells from two different zygotes, while what is being discussed here are hybrids.

In biology a chimera is a single animal organism with genetically distinct cells from two different zygotes, while what is being discussed here are hybrids.
Heard of Greek Mythology(Uses term loosely)?

In biology a chimera is a single animal organism with genetically distinct cells from two different zygotes, while what is being discussed here are hybrids.

It's sooooo much more fun in mythology though

Heard of Greek Mythology(Uses term loosely)?

Yes, but what is being discussed here is neither Greek mythology nor the etymology of the word.

Science is now able to make hybrids through genetic engineering that puts animal DNA in humans and human DNA in animals. This has the possibility of animal production of human medical needs, such as insulin. Or allowing humans to receive animal DNA that would strengthen organs or disease resistance.

One of the first areas is implanting human genes in goats, so the goat milk contains human hormones.
They've been doing this for a very long time. It's been used to identify genes involved in serious developmental disorders, cancers, and other nasty things.

If anybody walks in here and says they don't think these techniques should be used, then I would expect you would immediately sign a binding contract stating that you will never use any of the treatments generated from these methods. I'm willing to bet you'll have a change of heart once you realize how many potentially life-saving treatments you'll be giving up.

I think the advancement of mankind (well world civilization since were talking about genetics) is above all the most important thing we will do

and thus should not be stopped for anything

Science is now able to make hybrids through genetic engineering that puts animal DNA in humans and human DNA in animals. This has the possibility of animal production of human medical needs, such as insulin. Or allowing humans to receive animal DNA that would strengthen organs or disease resistance.

One of the first areas is implanting human genes in goats, so the goat milk contains human hormones.
It's easier to get bacterial expression of insulin through recombinant plasmid DNA. Also, faffing with DNA is still widely misunderstood - no-one yet knows why cloned animals are always obese and unhealthy, often exhibiting traits their genes do not allow for. Also, Chimaera in biology refers to one animal with two differing sets of chromosomes, from fusion of two separately fertilised and maturing zygotes. Hybrid is the term, I think.

EDIT: Sorry, didn't see you there, Fass...

Mor..als? What are they?

It's the conclusion of a childrens' story that spells out the lesson the child is supposed to come away with. Like "never judge someone until you walk a mile in his shoes, that way when you criticize him you're a mile away and you have his shoes." Things like that.

Yes, it should be allowed, if only so we can further frighten, shock, and embarass the members of PETA, as shown in the following video:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/37103/rat_monster_joke/

Hell No. Has anyone read The Island of Dr. Moreau?

Having read that novel, I don't remember it being about genetic manipulation. There was something weird about cutting pieces off an animal and sticking them in new places, but fusing human DNA with that of other species? If so, I definitely missed it.

I dunno, Fullmetal Alchemist said that chimeras are a bad idea, but then again, that could have been the result of a bad dub, so maybe not. Actually, I'm not sure.

Hell No. Has anyone read The Island of Dr. Moreau?
That's a completely facile point. Wells was writing a metaphor about the evolutionary process, and Moreau was a vivesectionist, not a geneticist.

I'm all for Chimeras, but then I would be, given that I'm injecting myself with doses of hormones from human dna patched inrto bacteria cultures before every meal.
Of course, if they start using pigs to grow transplant organs that don't require the recipient to spend the rest of their life on immunosupressants, then I wouldn't have to bother. The fucking religious right and the mystical elements of the greens are down on that, though. Twats.

http://us-p.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Steve-Gallacci/ermas.jpg

http://us-p.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Steve-Gallacci/toki1.jpg

http://us.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/Steve-Gallacci/

I say YAY! :D

Xeno Furry Bump

Having read that novel, I don't remember it being about genetic manipulation. There was something weird about cutting pieces off an animal and sticking them in new places, but fusing human DNA with that of other species? If so, I definitely missed it.
The author doesn't seem to know about DNA. Dr Morau turns animals into something man-like. It creates some ethic issues.

However that is not an argument against the chimeras created by scientists today. They are animals with a few cells (the dream limit is a whole organ)from another species. Nothing human-like.

The author doesn't seem to know about DNA. Dr Morau turns animals into something man-like. It creates some ethic issues.

However that is not an argument against the chimeras created by scientists today. They are animals with a few cells (the dream limit is a whole organ)from another species. Nothing human-like.
Don't say that. I want Furries! :fluffle:

The author doesn't seem to know about DNA. Dr Morau turns animals into something man-like. It creates some ethic issues.

However that is not an argument against the chimeras created by scientists today. They are animals with a few cells (the dream limit is a whole organ)from another species. Nothing human-like.
That'll be because the novel was written in the late 1890s and DNA was discovered some time in the '60s.

Why not?

I can imagine the other possiblities of Human\Animal Hybrids.

So sure, just as long as I don't get kidnapped by Ninja Catgirls... wait is that a bad thing?

I can imagine the other possiblities of Human\Animal Hybrids.

So sure, just as long as I don't get kidnapped by Ninja Catgirls... wait is that a bad thing?
Not in my book...

Go look at what Steve Gallacci's evil alter-ego "Art-Ho" does on commission... (forbidden to post on NS...) :eek: :D

Provided that they remain far enough from furry level, thus no humanoids.
I think that our biggest priority, though, should be creating a bear the size of a whale with thick skin and regenerative powers, not putting human livers in a goat.
After all, when we have a bunch of the Uberbears finished, we can just threaten to let them eat the rest of the world if the world doesn't give us their liver goats. Its the American way!

Provided that they remain far enough from furry level, thus no humanoids.
I think that our biggest priority, though, should be creating a bear the size of a whale with thick skin and regenerative powers, not putting human livers in a goat.
After all, when we have a bunch of the Uberbears finished, we can just threaten to let them eat the rest of the world if the world doesn't give us their liver goats. Its the American way!

Dude, Giant Carnivorous Kiwis all the way. Only not for the US. They would be miiiiiine!

It's the conclusion of a childrens' story that spells out the lesson the child is supposed to come away with. Like "never judge someone until you walk a mile in his shoes, that way when you criticize him you're a mile away and you have his shoes." Things like that.
You read cat in the hat too, eh?

That'll be because the novel was written in the late 1890s and DNA was discovered some time in the '60s.
By a pea farmer, IIRC.

By a pea farmer, IIRC. [regarding discovery of DNA]

You're thinking of Gregor Mendel, the monk that deciphered how heredity works. I don't know when DNA was discovered, but its shape was discovered in the late '50s (1957, I think). Real work in genetics began in the '60s and '70s; it's still a very young science.

Oh fuck no!!:eek: cows would conquer the human race and eat us!!!

Oh fuck no!!:eek: cows would conquer the human race and eat us!!!
Four legs good, Two legs Bad...

Cows with Guns! (http://www.3dweb.no/galleri/stuestolbm/bilder/anim1.swf) (clicky)

Bad Cow Pun... :D

You're thinking of Gregor Mendel, the monk that deciphered how heredity works. I don't know when DNA was discovered, but its shape was discovered in the late '50s (1957, I think). Real work in genetics began in the '60s and '70s; it's still a very young science.
That would have been Watson and Crick in 1953. http://www.time.com/time/time100/scientist/profile/watsoncrick.html

Finally, I get a Sphinx.

That would have been Watson and Crick in 1953. http://www.time.com/time/time100/scientist/profile/watsoncrick.html
My mistake, I thought it was 1963.