NationStates Jolt Archive

Are there any websites that any of you can point me to. So I can figure out where I set in the grand scheme of things. And so it will aid me in what country I may move to.

Which government?

Which government?

I think he doesn't care which national government test it is. He's always going to find himself lower than someone and be discriminated against by another person.

For someone who served in the US military, you are showing great disrespect by doing this. You have defended your country now you are turning your back on it. How low.

For someone who served in the US military, you are showing great disrespect by doing this. You have defended your country now you are turning your back on it. How low.

Huh? Emigrating is a form of disrespect?

I will file this under 'ludicrous'.

Huh? Emigrating is a form of disrespect?

I will file this under 'ludicrous'.

I don't care if he's emigrating or not. Why I do find it disrespectful is that this guy served in the US military and now he is turning his back.

For someone who served in the US military, you are showing great disrespect by doing this. You have defended your country now you are turning your back on it. How low.
How so? If no one immigrated, ever, we wouldn't have an United States to begin with. There's noting wrong with leaving the country of your birth if you so desire. The only foul I see is taking up arms against the country of your citizenship without having renounced said citizenship.

I guess no one can read whatsoever.

I don't care if he's emigrating or not. Why I do find it disrespectful is that this guy served in the US military and now he is turning his back.

How is he turning his back then, if emigration isn't the sticking point, then what is troubling you?

I guess no one can read whatsoever.
Actually I was in the middle of writting my reply when you replied so...

In any case, it still makes no sense. How does military service bind one to a country forever? Especially as it's over. Leaving DURING military service, yes, but afterwards he has served and been honorably discharged, he's a civilian and can go where he will. So how is this low?

How is he turning his back then, if emigration isn't what is troubling you?

For the whatever time now...

He served in this country's military. Now he is leaving. That is why I am saying what I am saying.

Little does he realize that he'll always run into discrimination. He'll always run into incompetence as well as morons.

For the whatever time now...

He served in this country's military. Now he is leaving. That is why I am saying what I am saying.

Now I'm off to bed.

I still fail to see the issue - it comes back to emigration, and you have already stated that emigration doesn't trouble you.

Um, anyways...

Are there any websites that any of you can point me to. So I can figure out where I set in the grand scheme of things. And so it will aid me in what country I may move to.
My favourite political test is: http://www.okcupid.com/politics (when you're taking the test, pretend you live is the USA)

The other 2 that I know of are:
http://www.orgburo.com/pofoquiz/pofo.php
http://www.politicalcompass.org/

Hope that's what you were asking for...

Two question political quiz (answer yes or no to the following questions):

Should government control what people do in their personal lives (what they read, what they worship, what they have sex with, what they imbibe)?

Should government control what people do with their money (what they spend it on, who they give it to, how much of it they earn)?

If you answered yes to the first and no to the second, you are likely a conservative; if you answered the other way around you're likely a liberal; if you answered yes to both you are some kind of statist or something; if you answered no to both, allow me to be the first to welcome you to the ranks of the libertarians.

If you don't feel terribly strongly about either you may be a moderate and if you feel very strongly about one or both you may be an extremist.

How so? If no one immigrated, ever, we wouldn't have an United States to begin with. There's noting wrong with leaving the country of your birth if you so desire. The only foul I see is taking up arms against the country of your citizenship without having renounced said citizenship.

Actually I have to agree with Corneliu. What's the point of serving the miitary then taking off if you feel your country's government is in the wrong course? You may as well have helped it rot yourself. If he was a real patriot, he would try to fight back legally against a bad government with a personal crusade. (Such as Ralph Nader)

He isn't, however, and is kinda running away from the problems. The reason I personally see what he is doing as pure cowardace is because if people kept doing this, governments worldwide would become as illigitimate as Mexico. Then where the hell does one run after that?

You don't like this country's government, mofo? Don't run chicken. Even if you have to do it the true dumbass way and pick up a gun to do it. Fight back. You did it for the damned military. Now just aim that pea shooter at some crooked politicans and your guaranteed to be known to have a set of massive ballz.

I do hereby invoke Godwin's law and suggest that by your logic, Corneliu, it would be disgraceful for German Ex-military to leave the country during the Nazi era.

There are some things that people cannot change. When your country is turning into something you no longer want to be a part of, and when your voice is nothing against the tide of raging celebrities, you're both at liberty to and encouraged to take whatever affirmative action you can. In many cases, this is getting the heck out of there.

Actually I have to agree with Corneliu. What's the point of serving the miitary then taking off if you feel your country's government is in the wrong course? You may as well have helped it rot yourself. If he was a real patriot, he would try to fight back legally against a bad government with a personal crusade. (Such as Ralph Nader)
Which again would leave us without a country as no one would have immigrated to the US. Personally, I don't see the problem, sometimes another country suits someone far better than the one they are in. I have a 50% chance that I might end up staying in Japan for the rest of my life and never going back perminately to the US. Why? Because I happen to like Japan and like how they do things here. I don't want to turn the US into Japan, I rather like to keep American culture as is, so why does that make me a coward?

Two question political quiz (answer yes or no to the following questions):

Should government control what people do in their personal lives (what they read, what they worship, what they have sex with, what they imbibe)?

Should government control what people do with their money (what they spend it on, who they give it to, how much of it they earn)?

If you answered yes to the first and no to the second, you are likely a conservative; if you answered the other way around you're likely a liberal; if you answered yes to both you are some kind of statist or something; if you answered no to both, allow me to be the first to welcome you to the ranks of the libertarians.

If you don't feel terribly strongly about either you may be a moderate and if you feel very strongly about one or both you may be an extremist.

Flawed. Too oversimplified.

I don't believe in heirarchical government control, yet I also support communal ownership. I don't fit into your scale.

Furthermore, the majority of american "liberals" do not want to see a planned economy. This includes the US Democrats.

Which again would leave us without a country as no one would have immigrated to the US. Personally, I don't see the problem, sometimes another country suits someone far better than the one they are in. I have a 50% chance that I might end up staying in Japan for the rest of my life and never going back perminately to the US. Why? Because I happen to like Japan and like how they do things here. I don't want to turn the US into Japan, I rather like to keep American culture as is, so why does that make me a coward?

Because from what I gleeded from reading this thread, he is leaving because he dislikes how this government is run. (Political differences) And considering the times and people in charge of the government.. I am assuming Bush's idiocy ruined his shit as he did most of Americans. I'm generalizing here of course. If that is the case, he is a coward for leaving because of the idiots in charge. I mean... this IS a republic. You can fight back. You MUST fight back due to it being a republic. Basicly, I need the numerical support he provides so a consensus can arrive back to neutralize the bad apples' political support.

You on the otherhand, are just a wapanese. You were American only in name to begin with. Why the hell would I call you a coward? You were just born on the wrong region. You ain't leaving because you have political differences with the people in power. Your probably just trying to score some Japanese school girl poonany for all anybody knows or cares.

And before you try to explain WHY you leave.. STOP. I do not care why you leave. No one wants to hear it. Really. I believe you. You've got your reasons. Cultural and all that bullshit. Sure. Whatever. Its all good. Shut up about it though emo-chan.

*snip a rather silly rant*
Woke up on the wrong side of the bed today did we?

My reasons for being in Japan are irrelivant, but the point that leaving a country due to disagreeing with its politics does not make one cowardly is not. You state that one only has to change the politics of America, but what if he reasons run deeper than that. It might not be Bush, it might be America itself.

See, it's only a myth that the rest of the world wants to be Americans or just like America (shocking, I know), so perhaps he would like to leave due to deep seated cultural issues. None of which makes him a coward.

For one thing, I am a female. Another thing I have seen the world through traveling with the military and I have come to realize by talking with others from around the world, how much different my views are from the US. Its not just Bush that as screwed up the US, it has been every president since the founding fathers.

The US is no longer a Republic due to greed and the lack of understanding on the part of the common man that it is their choice to chose the form of Government. I dont like how people can ignore the sick and the homeless, brushing them under the carpet until there is a reason to help them. The group and the individual matter. I know not every nation is perfect, one thing I do not like about Socialism, though its what all those tests indentify me as is the censorship of books and speech.

But on the whole it is a compound effect on why I want to leave. It has nothing to do with me being a coward. I served in the military when most people just bitch about setting in their nice comfy chairs. It is more about ideals and what I consider important than anything else. And as said before I cannot help the country I was born into, so why should that country hold my loyalty? It is not like I willing chose to be born there.

I know not every nation is perfect, one thing I do not like about Socialism, though its what all those tests indentify me as is the censorship of books and speech.

Hey, i'm a socialist and I certainly don't believe in censorship of books and free speech. Where did you get that idea?

From the tests themselves and from what Ive read online. It may not be true, but I can only take what I can see. If it was not for the all censorship thing me and Socialism would go like flies on poop.

From the tests themselves and from what Ive read online. It may not be true, but I can only take what I can see. If it was not for the all censorship thing me and Socialism would go like flies on poop.

It's not true at all. Of course, there are certain groups that have called themselves "socialist" that do advocate censorship and restricted speech....but by and large, these have nothing to do with socialism. (North Korea calls itself democratic, too.) Maybe it's confusion from that.

For one thing, I am a female. Another thing I have seen the world through traveling with the military and I have come to realize by talking with others from around the world, how much different my views are from the US. Its not just Bush that as screwed up the US, it has been every president since the founding fathers.

How many nations have you been too? Just precisely how many people have you talked too. I have had relatives that have gone all over this planet and have fought in war. Most people don't like the government but they do like the people. Frankly, I like people of other nations but not the government of those nations.

The US is no longer a Republic due to greed and the lack of understanding on the part of the common man that it is their choice to chose the form of Government.

Exactly. You are one of the few people that I have run into that recognizes this. If you leave though, then your voice won't matter in the running of this nation. Really sit and think about the choice you make before you leave.

I dont like how people can ignore the sick and the homeless, brushing them under the carpet until there is a reason to help them. The group and the individual matter. I know not every nation is perfect, one thing I do not like about Socialism, though its what all those tests indentify me as is the censorship of books and speech.

That is why you should never take those types of tests. THey are always inaccurate. As for brushing the homeless and sick aside, most nations do this. They do not want to be seen as weak. That is why watching the Olympic Games in China in 2008 is going to be very interesting indeed. Heck, watch any olympics and you'll notice that it is always the tourist traps that are shown and nothing else. They don't want to show their dirty laundry in public. Salt Lake and Atlanta did the same thing during the Olympics here in our own nation.

But on the whole it is a compound effect on why I want to leave. It has nothing to do with me being a coward. I served in the military when most people just bitch about setting in their nice comfy chairs. It is more about ideals and what I consider important than anything else. And as said before I cannot help the country I was born into, so why should that country hold my loyalty? It is not like I willing chose to be born there.

I'll bite here. Why can't you help the country? Nothing is stopping you from running for public office. Nothing is stopping you from voicing your opinions. So why can't you help the country? You actually already did help your country if you are telling the truth about your military service. Serving in the military is helping to keep this nation free.

If you are honest and hard working, do come to Portugal :D

We got the best weather, the best food, the prettiest girls, and we are just great and nice people :)

Our goverment sucks though :P

I made brief tours at Lakenheath, Rammstien, Misawa, Souel, Phillipines (SP?), there are a few others but I dont remember there names. It is not a big list and many of these places where from 3 day tours to two week tours. My home station was in Kadena, but I was fortunate that I got to travel quite a bit. I dont claim to have seen the world, but I have seen more than most people my age have. And I have talked to quite a bit of people off base and the on base nationals that worked on the base.

I can understand where you are coming from but I do not think it is possible to bring any meaningful change in a two party system. The things I want and hold dear, people have already said they want no part of, nor do they care about any one else. While Im sure that is always not the case, it is mighty prevelant. Apathy is one of the worst things we can feel.

I made brief tours at Lakenheath, Rammstien, Misawa, Souel, Phillipines (SP?), there are a few others but I dont remember there names. It is not a big list and many of these places where from 3 day tours to two week tours. My home station was in Kadena, but I was fortunate that I got to travel quite a bit. I dont claim to have seen the world, but I have seen more than most people my age have. And I have talked to quite a bit of people off base and the on base nationals that worked on the base.

Sorry for all the questions but I just wanted to get a feel from where you are coming from. :)

I can understand where you are coming from but I do not think it is possible to bring any meaningful change in a two party system. The things I want and hold dear, people have already said they want no part of, nor do they care about any one else. While Im sure that is always not the case, it is mighty prevelant. Apathy is one of the worst things we can feel.

Even I don't like the fact there we only have a 2 party system either. It is high time that we do all that we can to break a third party in to keep the Republicans and Democrats on their toes. Besides that, we are overdue for something like that to occur anyway. But for now, all we have to do is continue to try to get them to listen. Say something long enough, the people will start to look into it.

If I may ask, what do you want and hold dear? You don't have to answer if you don't want too.

Well for one is compassion. For the invidiual, the group, animals and everything else. Not turning your back on someone when they become an inconvience or a burden. Helping not because it is a tax right off but because you geniuely want to help. It seems today we only help each other because we have something to gain. There are exceptions like men and woman rushing into burning towers that are soon to collapse to resuce as many as they can. Or people running to the aid of those in accidents. But people like that are few and far between.

Blind patriotism is not good. Not good for the people who feel used afterwards. Or for the government for tending such feelings in the populace.

Taxes that are hard on those who struggle to get ends to meet. Parents who hold off on eating so their kids can eat properly. While the rich and privilaged wine and dine in expensive resturants and walk past those who geniuely need help. Cold apathy that is common in America is something I want to change.

If I could have one rule enforced forever and ever. It would be that once a day you have to do one nice thing for someone else. If you dont feel like you have made a difference in someone else life, and that does not make you feel better then you should be ashamed.

Well for one is compassion. For the invidiual, the group, animals and everything else. Not turning your back on someone when they become an inconvience or a burden. Helping not because it is a tax right off but because you geniuely want to help. It seems today we only help each other because we have something to gain. There are exceptions like men and woman rushing into burning towers that are soon to collapse to resuce as many as they can. Or people running to the aid of those in accidents. But people like that are few and far between.

Blind patriotism is not good. Not good for the people who feel used afterwards. Or for the government for tending such feelings in the populace.

Taxes that are hard on those who struggle to get ends to meet. Parents who hold off on eating so their kids can eat properly. While the rich and privilaged wine and dine in expensive resturants and walk past those who geniuely need help. Cold apathy that is common in America is something I want to change.

If I could have one rule enforced forever and ever. It would be that once a day you have to do one nice thing for someone else. If you dont feel like you have made a difference in someone else life, and that does not make you feel better then you should be ashamed.

These are all worth while goals. If I ever run for public office, I would love to have ya on staff to help me get the messege out :)

Well thats good to know :D

Two question political quiz (answer yes or no to the following questions):

Should government control what people do in their personal lives (what they read, what they worship, what they have sex with, what they imbibe)?

Should government control what people do with their money (what they spend it on, who they give it to, how much of it they earn)?

If you answered yes to the first and no to the second, you are likely a conservative; if you answered the other way around you're likely a liberal; if you answered yes to both you are some kind of statist or something; if you answered no to both, allow me to be the first to welcome you to the ranks of the libertarians.

If you don't feel terribly strongly about either you may be a moderate and if you feel very strongly about one or both you may be an extremist.
that is a strongly biased test.
you use the words control in a manner that makes it seem as if it is a bad thing.
and it's not should, it's "why don't you think logically and agree that the government should have the power to make the society much better?"

Well thats good to know :D

I mean it too!

All it takes is one person to set things in motion. Yes it can be difficult at times but life is never easy.

I mean it too!

All it takes is one person to set things in motion. Yes it can be difficult at times but life is never easy.

I know it is never easy. I work in a hospital doing what I do because it makes me feel good that I can help people. I put in 60+ hours a week. I come in when others cannot make it. When we have bad storms I call to see if they need help. And others ask me, even the doctors. Why do I do it, why do I care so much?

These are people who took medicial professions!!! And they ask this sort of question! What do you say to that. It put me at a loss for words. That was also my job in the military was patching people up.

I know it is never easy. I work in a hospital doing what I do because it makes me feel good that I can help people. I put in 60+ hours a week. I come in when others cannot make it. When we have bad storms I call to see if they need help. And others ask me, even the doctors. Why do I do it, why do I care so much?

These are people who took medicial professions!!! And they ask this sort of question! What do you say to that. It put me at a loss for words. That was also my job in the military was patching people up.

Ahh cool :)! My brother-in-law is a dentist in the USAF. We can always use good doctors and medics etc.

Keep up the good work :)