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Yes, they were getting lessons in intolerance from the Millions More Movement...

Keenya Hofmaier and Rosetta Riley - a couple of high-achieving Riverside University High School students - went to the Millions More Movement in Washington, D.C., last week hoping to learn something.

And, boy, did they get an education.

Before it was all over, the pair endured nearly 40 hours on a crowded bus with little food, missed most of the D.C. event, were subjected to hours of what they said were racist videos and, to top it all off, were accused of being lesbians by an alderman.

What I get from the tone of the article is that here are two people who aren't terribly tolerant either. Not racists, just intolerant of political deviance from the norms.

Anyone who thought the M^3 Mk. II was going to be anything but left-of-center is an idiot. Farrakhan was a BMoC there, too.

Oh yes, one thing I left out: bus rides are long and, if you're not with people whose company you can stomach for long periods, they suck. Isn't that sad? But it's life.

I'm sorry for the two girls who were upset at what they were exposed to but I'm not bursting with indignation, because hey, nobody has a right not to be offended or inconvenienced.

What I get from the tone of the article is that here are two people who aren't terribly tolerant either. Not racists, just intolerant of political deviance from the norms.

Anyone who thought the M^3 Mk. II was going to be anything but left-of-center is an idiot. Farrakhan was a BMoC there, too.

Oh yes, one thing I left out: bus rides are long and, if you're not with people whose company you can stomach for long periods, they suck. Isn't that sad? But it's life.

I'm sorry for the two girls who were upset at what they were exposed to but I'm not bursting with indignation, because hey, nobody has a right not to be offended or inconvenienced.

Considering that the two girls, if you read the article, are each black with one white parent, it's not possible to say they are racist towards blacks.

Who is intolerant, these two girls who had the highest hopes that they would see the best of the African-American community in action, or the spokesman who continually harassed them and accused them of being lesbians?

Eh?

Is accusing a random pair of girls considered a standard example of "tolerance" as performed by what you call "left of center"?

Eh?

Considering that the two girls, if you read the article, are each black with one white parent, it's not possible to say they are racist towards blacks.
I was referring to the authors of the column, sorry.

Who is intolerant, these two girls who had the highest hopes that they would see the best of the African-American community in action, or the spokesman who continually harassed them and accused them of being lesbians?

Eh?
Oh, he is. But he's an asshole. There are a lot of assholes. If someone who doesn't have any power over you (i.e., they're not a police officer or tax auditor or whatever) their being an asshole is merely a nuisance to be ignored.

Is accusing a random pair of girls considered a standard example of "tolerance" as performed by what you call "left of center"?

Eh?
Chuckles. Nope, it ain't. But I didn't quite get across whose intolerance I was referring to.

We shouldn't expect tolerance out of any organization that welcomes Mr Farrakhan, because everyone knows who he is by now; only people who agree with his point of view would try to get him on board.

Considering that the two girls, if you read the article, are each black with one white parent, it's not possible to say they are racist towards blacks.

Who is intolerant, these two girls who had the highest hopes that they would see the best of the African-American community in action, or the spokesman who continually harassed them and accused them of being lesbians?

Eh?

Is accusing a random pair of girls considered a standard example of "tolerance" as performed by what you call "left of center"?

Eh?

It's entirely possible to be a self-hating anything. There are people who feel guilt for being white. There are people who think animals are more important than people (cause, like, animals don't make war...whoa.)

The particular people who mistreated those girls are asshats. Not everyone there was an asshat though.

So, what's your point here, that people are dicks sometimes? Thanks for the scoop.

Are you trying to show that the left contains elements that are less-than savory? Big surprise there too. No matter when, where or under what circumstances, people will be people, and that means there will be a fair number who will be tools. I don't criticize the right because of what some people on the right do, I criticize their actual policies that they put into action.

You seem to think that whites are unfairly persecuted, or that intolerant rabble of non-white persuasion don't get enough negative press. Well guess what? Every segment of society is unfairly persecuted. Every segment of society has it's scape-goats. Waaaaaa. The thing is, it really only has a social impact when those that are doing the persecuting have real power.

Oh, right. If I may add:

For entertainment, McGee showed videos that the girls described as racist propaganda, including a film saying most biblical figures were black and a four-hour flick on the Black Panthers.

Assuming by "biblical" you mean "referring to the Hebrew and Christian scriptures", anyone with a brain in his head knows that all those people looked like they were "racially" of the Near or Middle East because - surprise! -that's where they were!

As for a "flick" about the Black Panthers, they were a group misrepresented by the news media; were they saints? Probably not, but before I can solidly condemn the showing of this "flick" as the columnists want me to (as a red-blooded person of North European ancestry) I will have to have more information. Maybe the flick was actually an accurate representation of the movement.

Besides, I've been puzzled at the fact that we insist people are "white" or "black" or "latin" or whatever. There's a whole range of phenotypic variation and it's pointless to try to draw solid lines between them, much less to treat people differently due to their position in any "racial" group.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/oct05/365083.asp

Yes, they were getting lessons in intolerance from the Millions More Movement...

Keenya Hofmaier and Rosetta Riley - a couple of high-achieving Riverside University High School students - went to the Millions More Movement in Washington, D.C., last week hoping to learn something.

And, boy, did they get an education.

Before it was all over, the pair endured nearly 40 hours on a crowded bus with little food, missed most of the D.C. event, were subjected to hours of what they said were racist videos and, to top it all off, were accused of being lesbians by an alderman.

I can only think of one word to describe this situation: "ugh..."

That's really all I can say...

You seem to think that whites are unfairly persecuted, or that intolerant rabble of non-white persuasion don't get enough negative press. Well guess what? Every segment of society is unfairly persecuted. Every segment of society has it's scape-goats. Waaaaaa. The thing is, it really only has a social impact when those that are doing the persecuting have real power.

That would actually be funny and witty if I was actually white.

No, what I am trying to emphasize is that the very group (Farrakhan's group, and anyone who believes in what they say) are espousing overt racism and intolerance - at the same time as they accuse others of racism and intolerance.

It's not just a "few" people in their organization. It's every official in their organization that spreads hate like this. And they seem to have quite a few supporters - far, far more than any white hate group could assemble in Washington. And far more as a percentage of the "race" they purport to represent.

No, what I am trying to emphasize is that the very group (Farrakhan's group, and anyone who believes in what they say) are espousing overt racism and intolerance - at the same time as they accuse others of racism and intolerance.

It's not just a "few" people in their organization. It's every official in their organization that spreads hate like this. And they seem to have quite a few supporters - far, far more than any white hate group could assemble in Washington. And far more as a percentage of the "race" they purport to represent.

Utter bullshit.

Your original post was a hyperbolic spin on an already hyped & skewed editorial column.

Two girls that should have had a great educational opportunity didn't like the bus ride and the leader of their bus was an asshat. That one person is 99% of the complaint and even that you exaggerate. The editorial says fuck all about the actual march and whether the girls could get over the bus ride and learn something.

It is unfortunate the girls didn't have a better time. End of story.

Shame on you for making much ado about nothing.

Utter bullshit.

Your original post was a hyperbolic spin on an already hyped & skewed editorial column.

Two girls that should have had a great educational opportunity didn't like the bus ride and the leader of their bus was an asshat. That one person is 99% of the complaint and even that you exaggerate. The editorial says fuck all about the actual march and whether the girls could get over the bus ride and learn something.

Shame on you for making much ado about nothing.

Perhaps I should post Farrakhan's speeches then. That's more vitriolic than anything that leader said to those girls.

Considering that the two girls, if you read the article, are each black with one white parent, it's not possible to say they are racist towards blacks.

*ROFL!*

You clearly aren't from around here, are you? Seems you sure don't know much about racism at all.

Perhaps I should post Farrakhan's speeches then. That's more vitriolic than anything that leader said to those girls.

I am very familiar with and strongly dislike Mr. Farrakhan. He was only one of many, many leaders that set up the march.

But the girls didn't complain about Farrakhan, did they?

They mainly complained about a long bus trip (which they knew was going to happen ahead of time).

That would actually be funny and witty if I was actually white.

The wit and humor has nothing to do with your or anyone else's race. Which, of course, is the point.

Considering that the two girls, if you read the article, are each black with one white parent, it's not possible to say they are racist towards blacks.

Who is intolerant, these two girls who had the highest hopes that they would see the best of the African-American community in action, or the spokesman who continually harassed them and accused them of being lesbians?

Eh?

Is accusing a random pair of girls considered a standard example of "tolerance" as performed by what you call "left of center"?

Eh?

He said they were intollerant of other peoples ideas. Not of other races etc.