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Reasonable Reincarnation?

Kamsaki
22-10-2005, 20:37
While I personally consider what happens in my passing to be of little inevitable consequence, I am of course a fan of Religious discussion and want to kick up a little settled dirt in this regard.

I'm not sure just what the general feeling is regarding the eastern idea of our spirits being "reused" by the world in creating life, but I'm starting to think it might not be as bizarre as I once thought. If one's soul isn't the base unit of the spirit, perhaps whatever does make up our consciousness could be dispersed into nature just as (if not in direct link to) our physical forms are. Could these be reused when our physical constructs are in turn taken up and used by other living things?

Do you think earthly reincarnation is a reasonable supposition? Does this same reasoning apply to reincarnation of more spiritual forms (a-la heaven/eternal paradise)? Or is the only stance that makes logical sense to presume that our sense of self is completely dissolved on death?
Quintine
22-10-2005, 21:01
This is just a thought but... no... because there is always an increasing number of people.... or are new souls made all the time... imnot exactly sure on that...

Either way, if its only the same souls being reused, then no, but if new souls are added all the time then I cannot say anythign about it
Kamsaki
22-10-2005, 21:04
This is just a thought but... no... because there is always an increasing number of people.... or are new souls made all the time... imnot exactly sure on that...

Either way, if its only the same souls being reused, then no, but if new souls are added all the time then I cannot say anythign about it
Well, there seems to be enough matter to make bodies all the time; we don't need to make atoms from scratch every time we want to make a pencil because they're all around us already. If souls are made up of similar building blocks, could the same sort of thing apply?
Quintine
22-10-2005, 21:19
well yeah, its junt im under the impression, that its the sae soul just being reused over and oer again... I probably am wrong about that on some account though
PasturePastry
22-10-2005, 21:42
Well, what about reincarnation being akin to recycling? Beer cans exist after you drink the beer, they go to the recycling center, get melted down with a bunch of other beer cans and get turned into new beer cans. Now, the chances of getting the exact same aluminum atoms back into the same beer can are next to impossible, but the beer can has been "reincarnated" once again as a beer can.

Now, if you want to say that the "stuff" of souls is cohesive and separate from the rest of the world, that's a tougher sell.
Kamsaki
22-10-2005, 22:18
Well, what about reincarnation being akin to recycling? Beer cans exist after you drink the beer, they go to the recycling center, get melted down with a bunch of other beer cans and get turned into new beer cans. Now, the chances of getting the exact same aluminum atoms back into the same beer can are next to impossible, but the beer can has been "reincarnated" once again as a beer can.

Now, if you want to say that the "stuff" of souls is cohesive and separate from the rest of the world, that's a tougher sell.
Not necessarily separate from the rest of the world; the question is whether what makes an aluminium can a Beer can is in any way retained when the parts of that can are reused.

Imagine some aluminium from that beer can is used to make an aeroplane. Could that portion of aluminium still reasonably be called Beer Can aluminium when it no longer makes up the beer can? Are the properties of the Can conserved by its matter?

Now suppose that the "stuff" that makes up conscious thought is the matter that our bodies are made up from (simplification of the idea, but it works in this suggestion). If this matter is eventually consumed and used to make new cells or living things, can it be considered part of the original body even while in the new? And what repercussions does this have regarding the composition of the consciousness of the new body?
Mount Arhat
22-10-2005, 22:28
Who is to say the soul is reused immediately. If there is a well spring from which all the souls come from then when we die our souls head to this place where all the souls go to await reincarnation. Which makes some souls very old (In my experience reading auras and other things the oldest I have found is 3000 years), and then there are new souls directly from the well or who have only been incarnated a few times.

We forget what we are to protect the weaker mortal bodies. Since flesh is weak we forget, to keep our sanity. Those more intuned with our higher nature we get psyhics and other paranormal activity.
Eutrusca
22-10-2005, 22:30
There seems to be a fairly substantial volume of anecdotal evidence for reincarnation, although how it functions and when are topics open to even greater speculation.

On a personal note, several people over the years who have known me and who told me they were "psychic" or "sensitives" or what have you, all have told me that I have a relatively "young" soul which has been reincarnated several times as a soldier. The really interesting thing about this is that several of these were people who had no knowledge that I was a soldier in "this" life. :)