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This article (http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showfast.html?article=62156) says that a poll indicates that either McCain or Giuliani could beat Hillary. What do you think? Will either McCain or Giuliani get the nomination?

Giuliani could quite likely beat Hillary, but McCain could beat anyone alive today. Maybe if George Washington or Abe Lincoln came back to life they might stand a chance against him. McCain's a man that both Democrats and Republicans would rally around.

Actually, I think if W was allowed to run again he could stand a good chance of beating Hillary.

isnt mccain going to be too old? he just turned 69 which means he'll be 72 for the presidential campaign. he may not be able to stand up to the rigors of a full out campaign

and hasnt giuliani missed his window of opportunity? he could have blown the competition away if he had run last year (and if bush hadnt been running) but he has some pretty big negatives which might be more obvious now that his handling of 9/11 is old news. those things arent being talked about now but they sure will be if he runs for prez.

besides the dems wont run hillary, itll be bill richardson, governor of new mexcio.

McCain, perhaps; Guiliani, no, the Christian Right would be too infuriated by his nomination.

Giuliani could quite likely beat Hillary, but McCain could beat anyone alive today. Maybe if George Washington or Abe Lincoln came back to life they might stand a chance against him. McCain's a man that both Democrats and Republicans would rally around.

Actually, I think if W was allowed to run again he could stand a good chance of beating Hillary.

I wouldn't vote for McCain in the primary, but if he got the nomination and were running against Clinton or Kerry I'd vote for him. I think I would prefer Giuliani over McCain although I don't agree with Giuliani on abortion and gun control.

isnt mccain going to be too old? he just turned 69 which means he'll be 72 for the presidential campaign. he may not be able to stand up to the rigors of a full out campaign
yeah but he isn't an average old person, I had the pleasure to meet him once (about 2 years ago) he is anything but average, I doubt if he will ever get "too old" for anything but if he does it will probably in his mid 80's :)

and hasnt giuliani missed his window of opportunity? he could have blown the competition away if he had run last year (and if bush hadnt been running) but he has some pretty big negatives which might be more obvious now that his handling of 9/11 is old news. those things arent being talked about now but they sure will be if he runs for prez.
It may be a little tougher for him to gain a following with some people, but I think he has kept himself visible with the cable news crowd that it would seem like a natural vote for many of them, this whole hurricane Katrina fiasco probably helped him a bit to, although he may be too ethical to use it. ;)

besides the dems wont run hillary, itll be bill richardson, governor of new mexcio.
I pray to God everyday that they run anyone except for her, he isn't much better but he doesn't make me break out in hives like Hillary.

Obviously McCain or Guiliani could beat Hillary. With the combination of Republican propaganda and lack of good Democratic choices for the Democrats to field, the Republicans will probably win the next election, but lose Congress.
Unless Ross Perot runs.


Now that I think about, what are the point of primaries? Why don't they just go into their individual party headquarters and put votes in a hat or something?

McCain will never run - it will cost him his bi-politics status. They should just throw him at the Supreme Court and see if his nomination sticks.

I pray to God everyday that they run anyone except for her, he isn't much better but he doesn't make me break out in hives like Hillary.
i like hillary well enough but i do hope she doesnt run. the republicans (and the conservative talk show hosts) would make the campaign intollerably ugly. it would make this last campaign look like a freakign tea party.

*barely knows who those two are*

McCain will never run - it will cost him his bi-politics status.

He already is running.

i like hillary well enough but i do hope she doesnt run. the republicans (and the conservative talk show hosts) would make the campaign intollerably ugly. it would make this last campaign look like a freakign tea party.

Like the left, Democrats, and moveon.org won't go after the throat of the Republican candidate no matter who is running for the Democrats?

*barely knows who those two are*
Rudolph Giuliani was the mayor of New York city at the time when 9/11 took place. He reduced crime in the city and handled the emergency caused by the terrorist strike quite well. On the downside he also made comments about a controversial art exhibition that imply he's not a huge fan of freedom of expression.

John McCain is a senator from Arizona. He was a prisoner of war in Vietnam. He was co author of the McCain/Feingold bill that limited campaign contributions in an effort to reduce the influence of rich corporations on politicians. He's considered a moderate Republican and, by me at least, an honest politician. Honest politicians are truly rare nowadays.

*barely knows who those two are*

Didn't do your homework huh! :D

He already is running.
No he isn't.

well probably either of them could beat her, and i like spanking movies as much as the next guy, but they're all getting a bit old for my tastes... i just hope they don't get naked.

I'd really like to know who voted no in the poll.

Didn't do your homework huh! :D

Drunk Commies was nice to oblige, and I was more posting to demonstrate ignorance in the matter as cause for my inability to participate. An ignorance not yet remedied sufficiently (I doubt it ever will be) to permit me to do so. I just have to wonder if this McCain person will end up getting "swift boat" people after him like other Vietnam veterans gunning for the office.

I'd really like to know who voted no in the poll.

I did. Apparently I somehow selected the option as I was leaving the thread and pressed enter to open a new tab, and that counted as clicking the vote button in some way. Mea culpa.

I did. Apparently I somehow selected the option as I was leaving the thread and pressed enter to open a new tab, and that counted as clicking the vote button in some way. Mea culpa.
Oh, Ok. I thought someone actually thought the American people would choose Hillary. Unfortunately, a truly exceptional female candidate would have a tough time getting elected in this country. Hillary? Forget about it.

Drunk Commies was nice to oblige, and I was more posting to demonstrate ignorance in the matter as cause for my inability to participate. An ignorance not yet remedied sufficiently (I doubt it ever will be) to permit me to do so. I just have to wonder if this McCain person will end up getting "swift boat" people after him like other Vietnam veterans gunning for the office.


They might try something like that, but McCain's image as a war hero is probbaly too strong for it to work. On a personal note, if the next president has to be another Republican, I could live with a moderate like McCain.

Drunk Commies was nice to oblige, and I was more posting to demonstrate ignorance in the matter as cause for my inability to participate. An ignorance not yet remedied sufficiently (I doubt it ever will be) to permit me to do so. I just have to wonder if this McCain person will end up getting "swift boat" people after him like other Vietnam veterans gunning for the office.
mccain is probably the only one who is untouchable by them. he spent quite a few years being tortured by the north vietnamese and anyone who would diss his service would be reviled. (at least i hope so, you can never tell what the republican bulldogs might do. yes, it would only be his OWN PARTY who would pull that shit on him).

They might try something like that, but McCain's image as a war hero is probbaly too strong for it to work. On a personal note, if the next president has to be another Republican, I could live with a moderate like McCain.
They beat out McCain last time by claiming time spent in the PoW camp messes with his good judgment. These people could and would slander the biggest war heroes in history, were they still alive and running for an office.

I'd vote for Giuliani or McCain, but I wish Ron Paul was running :(

They beat out McCain last time by claiming time spent in the PoW camp messes with his good judgment.

and that he had spawned mixed race children

and that he had spawned mixed race children
Damn dirty race-mixing bastards. :rolleyes:

and that he had spawned mixed race children
As long as he's not spawning with children it shouldn't matter.

As long as he's not spawning with children it shouldn't matter.
If only that were true.

As long as he's not spawning with children it shouldn't matter.

not down south.... check it out, i heard carl rove was reputed to have been involved in spreading the rumors.

If only that were true.
What?!?!?! O_O

What?!?!?! O_O
The amount of outward, and even worse - inherent but unexpressed, racism in the United States is overwhelming, especially around the South and Midwest. The worst part about this is that that is the feeling among the children not even voting age yet, imagine what their parents or grandparents are like.

I hope McCain runs, I'd proudly vote for a person who HONORABLY served in the Navy unlike a certain Presidential Candidate. McCain is a very honest man. Few in Washington on either side have his level of integrity.

I hope McCain runs, I'd proudly vote for a person who HONORABLY served in the Navy unlike a certain Presidential Candidate. McCain is a very honest man. Few in Washington on either side have his level of integrity.
Which is why he should drop the Republican party and run as an independent.

Which is why he should drop the Republican party and run as an independent.
An independent can't win because they wouldn't have the support funding necessary.

An independent can't win because they wouldn't have the support funding necessary.
If McCain goes independent and runs that way, all he would need to do is get on the ballots in the biggest states to win. The Democrats don't have anyone strong enough or popular enough to field in addition to lacking the hardcore base the Republicans have, and McCain can draw enough of the Republicans who have gotten fed up with the way the current administration is running things.

is giuliani conservative enough?

“I’m pro-choice. I’m pro-gay rights,” Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. “No, I have not supported that, and I don’t see my position on that changing,” he responded.
Source: CNN.com, “Inside Politics” Dec 2, 1999

I do not think the government should cut off the right to bear arms. My position for many years has been that just as a motorist must have a license, a gun owner should be required to have one as well. Anyone wanting to own a gun should have to pass a written exam that shows that they know how to use a gun, that they’re intelligent enough and responsible enough to handle a gun. Should both handgun and rifle owners be licensed...we’re talking about all dangerous weapons.
Source: Boston Globe, p. A4 Mar 21, 2000

Which is why he should drop the Republican party and run as an independent.

Independant's don't win Presidental elections. :(

Independant's don't win Presidental elections. :(

Neither do the candidates who actually win, but nobody's perfect, eh?

is giuliani conservative enough?

He is a moderate Republican. I don't agree with his stance on some things, but then I didn't agree 100% with Bush either. At least he is not left of center like Hillary.

He is a moderate Republican. I don't agree with his stance on some things, but then I didn't agree 100% with Bush either. At least he is not left of center like Hillary.
ROFLAHAHAHAH!!!!q

He is a moderate Republican. I don't agree with his stance on some things, but then I didn't agree 100% with Bush either. At least he is not left of center like Hillary.
but a man who cannot get his party's nomination cannot beat hillary clinton.

ROFLAHAHAHAH!!!!q
Actually the "left of center" comment was accurate with respect to where the center is in the USA. Our center is on many European countries' far right.

ROFLAHAHAHAH!!!!q

I presume she has convinced you she is a moderate Democrat. Chameleons change their colors all the time.

Actually the "left of center" comment was accurate with respect to where the center is in the USA. Our center is on many European countries' far right.
Well, I usually use the European scale rather than the Washington scale, but it still makes me chuckle. If I want "far left", I'll talk to Potaria or DHomme.

but a man who cannot get his party's nomination cannot beat hillary clinton.

Who is to say McCain or Giuliani can't win the primary and get the nomination? After all, Kerry came from behind and trounced Dean in the primary.

Actually the "left of center" comment was accurate with respect to where the center is in the USA. Our center is on many European countries' far right.

Yes, but we are talking about an American Presidental race here so European politics has nothing to do with it.

I presume she has convinced you she is a moderate Democrat. Chameleons change their colors all the time.
In general, she's not even "left", but by your scale she's is. It depends on which scale you use.

That's great, only one person voted no, and that was by mistake. That surprised me, as there are so many liberals around.

The only reason I wouldn't vote for Hillary is because I don't like her. She's insincere, egotistical, and forms her opinions by reading polls. In other words, a politician. McCain, might be enough to make me vote Republican -- if he has the balls to tell the far-right in his own party to go f--- themselves. Otherwise, I might just sit that election out.

Who is to say McCain or Giuliani can't win the primary and get the nomination? After all, Kerry came from behind and trounced Dean in the primary.
because to win the nomination in the republican party you have to win their base--you have to be very conservative. then to win president you have to swing to the middle.

Independant's don't win Presidental elections. :(
Because they have no public exposure and arn't allowed to do shit by the main two parties, but if a guy that is as big as McCain just goes independent and runs that way, everyone already knows him and his positions. He doesn't suffer from the same insurmountable hurdles.

But as it stands, McCain doesn't want to take a stand and wants to continue to be a Republicrat.

This article (http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showfast.html?article=62156) says that a poll indicates that either McCain or Giuliani could beat Hillary.

Not at arm wrestling or watermelon seed spitting. Guaranteed.

because to win the nomination in the republican party you have to win their base--you have to be very conservative. then to win president you have to swing to the middle.

I do believe the Republican base is a lot more moderate than you think, and I think the next election will swing in that direction. Some in Congress have already begun to rebel.

Because they have no public exposure and arn't allowed to do shit by the main two parties, but if a guy that is as big as McCain just goes independent and runs that way, everyone already knows him and his positions. He doesn't suffer from the same insurmountable hurdles.

But as it stands, McCain doesn't want to take a stand and wants to continue to be a Republicrat.

George Wallace didn't have exposure? Ross Perot didn't have exposure? Perot even participated in the debates. Oh, and he had a lot of money.

I do believe the Republican base is a lot more moderate than you think, and I think the next election will swing in that direction. Some in Congress have already begun to rebel.
The Republican base is solid and very conservative on the flash-point issues.

George Wallace didn't have exposure? Ross Perot didn't have exposure? Perot even participated in the debates. Oh, and he had a lot of money.
Wallace's exposure was his problem, and Ross Perot didn't have main party politician exposure, but note, Ross Perot had huge amounts of votes in his favor - imagine what McCain could garner.

- imagine what McCain could garner.

Not enough to win. He would also split the Republican vote and the Democrats would win, just like Perot split the Republicans and let Clinton win.

Not enough to win. He would also split the Republican vote and the Democrats would win, just like Perot split the Republicans and let Clinton win.
I already addressed that.

The Democrats lack a strong base and strong candidates, and the strongest candidates will turn each other into Republican propaganda fodder during the primaries essentially outing themselves. McCain's ideals are enough to swing msot if not all votes away from weak Democratic candidates as well as take most swing-voters and moderate Republicans, especially after these last eight years. Honestly, his only real competition would be Guiliani if he ran.

because to win the nomination in the republican party you have to win their base--you have to be very conservative. then to win president you have to swing to the middle.
you know us far right folks aren't as dumb as people think, we do realize that in the next race that we are going to have to go more moderate than many of us would like, McCain is that. While we don't agree with him on a few issues the thought of giving over the White House to someone like Hillary scares us just enough to compromise on who we put out on our side for the election.

This article (http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showfast.html?article=62156) says that a poll indicates that either McCain or Giuliani could beat Hillary. What do you think? Will either McCain or Giuliani get the nomination?
Hillary couldn't possibly win as long as Cindy Mom is against her :rolleyes: ... (much to the dismay of the press... :p )

WASHINGTON -- Largely "ignored" by the mainstream news media, anti-Iraq War protester Cindy Sheehan has declared she cannot support Hillary Rodham Clinton for president until the senator publicly advocates withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq.

Harsh criticism of President Bush by Sheehan, whose son was killed in Iraq, was faithfully reported for months. But she was hardly covered last Saturday when she called Clinton "a political animal who believes she has to be a war hawk to keep up with the big boys." Sheehan's criticism was posted on filmmaker Michael Moore's website.

Hillary couldn't possibly win as long as Cindy Mom is against her :rolleyes: ... (much to the dismay of the press... :p )

Boy I didn't know that. So Cindi is against Hillary, why? Hillary isn't exactly for the war, but she isn't exactly against it either.

I would vote either McCain or Guiliani; my dream ticket would have been Powell/McCain, but such is never to be.

Hillary couldn't possibly win as long as Cindy Mom is against her :rolleyes: ... (much to the dismay of the press... :p )

I don't know about that... I think Sheehan destroyed a good deal of her credibility when they arrested her and she smiled and laughed for the cameras.

I would vote either McCain or Guiliani; my dream ticket would have been Powell/McCain, but such is never to be.

Good ticket, but Powell won't run and McCain won't take second seat.