NationStates Jolt Archive

Or down, as in ratings. At least here in the Washington, D.C. area, that is.

For those of you who don't know, Washington, D.C. is a Democratic bastion (within the city). Prince George's County, Maryland to the east, Montgomery County, Maryland to the north are both strongly Democratic.

To the west, Arlington County, Alexandria, and Fairfax County, Virginia are fairly Democratic as well, although if you go into western Fairfax County, the number of Republicans increases.

All well and good for Democrats, and a Democratic audience, yes?

Then why the no-show for Air America?

Air America, the liberal talk network carried on WWRC-AM (1260), went from bad to nonexistent. After WWRC recorded a mere fraction of a rating point in the spring with syndicated shows from the likes of lefty talkers Al Franken, Janeane Garofalo and Stephanie Miller, Arbitron couldn't detect a measurable listenership for the station this time around.

I don't know whether to laugh, or to laugh really loud. AAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....................... Ha

I heard there was some kind of scandal. But then when the conservatives are done, this will be a drop in the bucket of the media overthrow they are taking on. Watch...they are trying to disband NPR saying it is too liberal.

I'm listening to it right now (they have it live on the internet. Theres some dumb bitch named Randi Rhodes on right now, and basically, she has explained to me why nobody listens. Hey Dems, if this is your voice, you are all fucked

Maybe liberals aren't as interested in worthless political hackery as conservatives are. Maybe they can discern crap when they see it (or hear it).

So it's doing poorly in one area--stations are still signing up around the country, and as a general rule, they're doing more than decent in their ratings races. They're up to 70 stations now, not bad considering how shaky they were when they started out.

So it's doing poorly in one area--stations are still signing up around the country, and as a general rule, they're doing more than decent in their ratings races. They're up to 70 stations now, not bad considering how shaky they were when they started out.
Care to explain why shows like Rush Limbaugh's and Shaun Hannity's are raking in money while Air America is on the air begging for donations then?

Care to explain why shows like Rush Limbaugh's and Shaun Hannity's are raking in money while Air America is on the air begging for donations then?

Vittos Ordination already did.

Maybe liberals aren't as interested in worthless political hackery as conservatives are. Maybe they can discern crap when they see it (or hear it).

Keep in mind it is not an election year so the ratings of all news shows should be down somewhat.

Also, many of those who are described as "liberal" (such as myself) tend to favor objective and accurate news sources over political preaching (I for example read the Economist and New Yorker).

There could also be something of a Daily Show effect, people who want political entertainment turning to that medium instead of listening to radio.

Another thing to remember is that detailed studies have shown the average audience of most tv and radio pundent programs to be less educated, less informed and around 60. There is going to be some major media shifts caused by demographics in the next twenty years.

Keep in mind it is not an election year so the ratings of all news shows should be down somewhat.

Also, many of those who are described as "liberal" (such as myself) tend to favor objective and accurate news sources over political preaching (I for example read the Economist and New Yorker).

There could also be something of a Daily Show effect, people who want political entertainment turning to that medium instead of listening to radio.

Another thing to remember is that detailed studies have shown the average audience of most tv and radio pundent programs to be less educated, less informed and around 60. There is going to be some major media shifts caused by demographics in the next twenty years.

Considering that I live in a metropolitan area pregnant with Democrats, I believe the potential audience for Air America has already been sucked up by the local NPR stations (of which there are at least three).

Contrary to popular belief, there are occasional "facts" that are really true on shows like Air America, Sean Hannity, and Rush Limbaugh. You just have to tune out the blather in your head in order to hear them.

Care to explain why shows like Rush Limbaugh's and Shaun Hannity's are raking in money while Air America is on the air begging for donations then?
Maybe because the druggie Fathead and his buddies have been on the air for a lot longer than two or three years? Retard.

I don't even know why I bother with these kinds of threads; I know no matter what I say, conservatives are going to get their rocks off on this tiring shit.

Maybe because the druggie Fathead and his buddies have been on the air for a lot longer than two or three years? Retard.

I don't even know why I bother with these kinds of threads; I know no matter what I say, conservatives are going to get their rocks off on this tiring shit.

If the shoe were on the other foot, you would get off on it. Admit it.

That's what Air America is all about - to spout the same kind of inane, name-calling rhetoric about the "other party".

If the shoe were on the other foot, you would get off on it. Admit it.

That's what Air America is all about - to spout the same kind of inane, name-calling rhetoric about the "other party".
No, actually, I wouldn't. But you can keep making those assumptions.

I think American politics as a whole is a joke. It just so happens that conservatives spew more BS and in general are more retarded than the "liberals" (I use the term loosely here) in this country. You vote for one and get the other.

No, actually, I wouldn't. But you can keep making those assumptions.

I think American politics as a whole is a joke. It just so happens that conservatives spew more BS and in general are more retarded than the "liberals" (I use the term loosely here) in this country. You vote for one and get the other.

Apparently, everyone who funded Air America, and everyone who listens to it, and everyone who sympathizes with it believes that it's ok to spew BS.

Actually, I believe the former USSR was a political joke. A very bad one. Evidently, so did most of the people who lived there.

In what way is a conservative "retarded"? And how do you define "conservative"?

Actually, I believe the former USSR was a political joke. A very bad one. Evidently, so did most of the people who lived there.

...'Kay. And, what? Is this some Atlantian-Islands-esque poke at my nation name? Yawn. People in this game seem to have trouble comprehending the fact that its just a name.

In what way is a conservative "retarded"? And how do you define "conservative"?
I call them retarded because I can. And a conservative is anyone who is on the right side of the political spectrum. Hell, I can even respect some intelligent conservatives, the few that can defend their position without going berserk and throwing spittle everywhere (I can't wait for your quip that will go something like, "but liberalz do tht 2 lol"). I only call idiots like Limbaugh, O'Reilly, and Hannity "conservatives," even though the more specific term would be "neo-conservative" which is what I'm really shooting for. Oops.

...'Kay. And, what? Is this some Atlantian-Islands-esque poke at my nation name? Yawn. People in this game seem to have trouble comprehending the fact that its just a name.


I call them retarded because I can. And a conservative is anyone who is on the right side of the political spectrum. Hell, I can even respect some intelligent conservatives, the few that can defend their position without going berserk and throwing spittle everywhere (I can't wait for your quip that will go something like, "but liberalz do tht 2 lol"). I only call idiots like Limbaugh, O'Reilly, and Hannity "conservatives," even though the more specific term would be "neo-conservative" which is what I'm really shooting for. Oops.

So, because I believe in the individual right to bear arms, does that make me a "conservative"? Or the fact that I own several hundred weapons, and have close to 250,000 rounds of ammunition on my property? Legally, I might add.

So, because I believe in the individual right to bear arms, does that make me a "conservative"? Or the fact that I own several hundred weapons, and have close to 250,000 rounds of ammunition on my property? Legally, I might add.
No, that makes you an idiot because everyone who knows how to "hed-thinky" properly knows that the (which government? any government)government is the only force in the world that can properly determine when, how, and where to do things.
Also, for each gun someone legally buys, there is a 2% chance (cumulative) that they will kill a nursery full of nuns and bunnies and ponies.

No, that makes you an idiot because everyone who knows how to "hed-thinky" properly knows that the (which government? any government)government is the only force in the world that can properly determine when, how, and where to do things.
Also, for each gun someone legally buys, there is a 2% chance (cumulative) that they will kill a nursery full of nuns and bunnies and ponies.

Well, if it's any consolation, I think I've made my quota on bunnies.

So, because I believe in the individual right to bear arms, does that make me a "conservative"? Or the fact that I own several hundred weapons, and have close to 250,000 rounds of ammunition on my property? Legally, I might add.
No, it just makes you a fool, because guns suck. Maybe next you can accuse me liking Michael Moore (when I don't) or that I'm an authoritarian who deserves to be shot (when I'm not). Please go away and quit trying to get me hyped up; it ain't going to work.

No, it just makes you a fool, because guns suck. Maybe next you can accuse me liking Michael Moore (when I don't) or that I'm an authoritarian who deserves to be shot (when I'm not). Please go away and quit trying to get me hyped up; it ain't going to work.

I've trained over 200 women who were victims of stalking and domestic violence to defend themselves with guns.

Unlike the unarmed women in the same situation, over the past two years, none of the women I've trained have been harassed in the slightest.

They don't think guns suck. The guns work for them.

No, it just makes you a fool, because guns suck. Maybe next you can accuse me liking Michael Moore (when I don't) or that I'm an authoritarian who deserves to be shot (when I'm not). Please go away and quit trying to get me hyped up; it ain't going to work.

Please don't let your emotions get in the way of you making a logical argument. Oh wait, it already has. By the way, what exactly are you two yelling at each other about anyway? Sure as hell isn't Air America.

To me it seems like you both have degenerated to name calling and making inflamatory statements. :rolleyes:

To me it seems like you both have degenerated to name calling and making inflamatory statements. :rolleyes:

Show me where I resorted to name calling.

I've trained over 200 women who were victims of stalking and domestic violence to defend themselves with guns.

Unlike the unarmed women in the same situation, over the past two years, none of the women I've trained have been harassed in the slightest.

They don't think guns suck. The guns work for them.
You sure go through a lot of names in a week.

Maybe liberals aren't as interested in worthless political hackery as conservatives are. Maybe they can discern crap when they see it (or hear it).

Then why are they listening to Dean?

Then why are they listening to Dean?
Oooh, Burn.

Oooh, Burn.

Hehe.

I couldn't help myself :D

Then why are they listening to Dean?

I don't know very many liberals who actually listen to Dean, as in sit there and agree with what he's saying. I, personally, like hearing what he's saying because he's funny when he's around I like the guy's personality. He's a pet of the party, like Ted Kennedy without all the suck.


I think American politics as a whole is a joke. It just so happens that conservatives spew more BS and in general are more retarded than the "liberals" (I use the term loosely here) in this country. You vote for one and get the other.

Please don't tell me you're one of those people who thinks no one is truely a liberal unless they're a socialist.

Please don't tell me you're one of those people who thinks no one is truely a liberal unless they're a socialist.
No one is truly liberal unless they are a Classic Liberal, laissez faire and such.
All these Neo-Liberal Socialist punks stole the name, and Libertarians have been living in exile from their cherished land of proper titles ever since.

No one is truly liberal unless they are a Classic Liberal, laissez faire and such.
All these Neo-Liberal Socialist punks stole the name, and Libertarians have been living in exile from their cherished land of proper titles ever since.

Ew.

Why does everyone have to be some kind of extremist?

WHERE are the moderates?

You sure go through a lot of names in a week.
I wouldn't if Jolt didn't have so many problems with their server software.

One would think that like me, they would have three sets of servers:
development, testing, and deployment.

That way, if they ran into problems with an upgrade, the users would not be the ones to suffer.

Ew.

Why does everyone have to be some kind of extremist?

WHERE are the moderates?
Why are you such a Non-Extremist Extremist? I think that you should become more Moderate about being so Moderate.

Why are you such a Non-Extremist Extremist? I think that you should become more Moderate about being so Moderate.

Why is he such an extremist about not having a sense of humor?

Why are you such a Non-Extremist Extremist? I think that you should become more Moderate about being so Moderate.

Because if I were to be anything but an extremist moderate, I'd have to reverse the polarity flow of the plasma beams to inject the positive charge of the streams crossing.

DON'T CROSS THE STREAMS!

Because if I were to be anything but an extremist moderate, I'd have to reverse the polarity flow of the plasma beams to inject the positive charge of the streams crossing.

DON'T CROSS THE STREAMS!

CROSS THE STREAMS! It won't be the end of the world if you do :D

God, I love Ghostbusters :)

So it's doing poorly in one area--stations are still signing up around the country, and as a general rule, they're doing more than decent in their ratings races. They're up to 70 stations now, not bad considering how shaky they were when they started out.

True. What's one market? But wait...
Top 20 US national radio markets:
City - AA Station - market rank - latest rating share

1. New York City - WLIB - 24(T) - 1.2
2. Los Angeles - KTLK - 30 - 0.9
3. Chicago - WCPT - 32(t) - 0.7
4. San Francisco - KQKE - 22(T) - 1.2
5. Dallas - Fort Worth - KXEB 37+ (unranked) - n/a
6. Philadelphia - WHAT - 25(T) - 0.6
7. Houston - Galveston - NO STATION
8. Washington, DC - WWRC - 28+ (unranked) - n/a
9. Boston - WKOX, WXKS - 29+ (unranked) - n/a
10. Detroit - WTDW (AM) - 28+ (unranked) - n/a
11. Atlanta - WWAA - 24+ (unranked) - n/a
12. Miami - Ft. Lauderdale - WINZ - 23 - 1.4
13. Seattle - Tacoma - KPTK - 22(T) - 2.0
14. Phoenix - KXXT - 21 - 1.4
15. Minneapolis - St. Paul - KTNF - 19 - 1.2
16. San Diego - KLSD - 22 - 1.6
17. Nassau-Suffolk (NY) - WLIB - 25+ (unranked) - 1.1
18. St. Louis - NO STATION
19. Baltimore - NO STATION
20. Tampa - NO STATION

22. Denver - KKZN - 19(T) - 1.9
46. New Orleans - WSMB - 17(T) - 1.3


Guess it's not limited to "one station" in a heavilly democratic area. In fact, it looks like the entire nation doesn't care. And as "a general rule" they are not doing "more than decent." They're failing... miserably.

Sources:
AA affiliates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Air_America_Radio_affiliates)
Top 20 rankings (http://www.fmqb.com/ratings.asp) - FMQB.com Arbitron Ratings Library

I wouldn't if Jolt didn't have so many problems with their server software.

One would think that like me, they would have three sets of servers:
development, testing, and deployment.

That way, if they ran into problems with an upgrade, the users would not be the ones to suffer.
You would think that's reasonable. But they do things differently in Europe.

You would think that's reasonable. But they do things differently in Europe.
In Europe, they don't mess around with any of that ridiculous American "Customer Service." You pay your fucking 16% added gratuity, and then you offer extra to the waiter, just because he neglected to stab you in the face over the course of the meal, and you damn well better like it.

Then why are they listening to Dean?

I'm sorry, what has Dean done lately? I haven't been paying attention.

I'm sorry, what has Dean done lately? I haven't been paying attention.

He has sent men and resources to previously neglected areas that the previous DNC leadership had ignored. He has also been reorganizing the party on the grass roots level. The Alaska Democratic Party, long ignored, is now getting national assistence and greater input. He is the best chairmen the party has had in the last 25 years.

Ew.

Why does everyone have to be some kind of extremist?

WHERE are the moderates?

Moderates are either:

People who have a mixed bag of political beliefs. For example, someone who believes in the absolute strictest interpretation of the 2nd amendment and the death penalty, but also believes in the right to have a choice about abortion and believes that business will run amok unless tightly regulated.

or:

A namby pamby fence-sitter who goes along with the crowd and then pats themselves on the back for being so mainstream and rational. They have no strong opinions on anything. A mouthbreathing follower who skirts away from confrontation (as opposed to a mouthbreathing follower who gets off on confrontation...that would be an extremist.)

or:

Someone who mistakenly believes that they themselves are moderate when in fact they pretty much mouth the party line (whichever party,) while making loud noises on the few occasions when they stray from lockstep formation.

He has sent men and resources to previously neglected areas that the previous DNC leadership had ignored. He has also been reorganizing the party on the grass roots level. The Alaska Democratic Party, long ignored, is now getting national assistence and greater input. He is the best chairmen the party has had in the last 25 years.

Exactly. He's an efficient organizer and his plans are ambitious. His personal politics and speech habits are inconsequential. Hell, what are the exact views of the Republican Chairman? Who cares, as long as he does a good job, right?

He has sent men and resources to previously neglected areas that the previous DNC leadership had ignored. He has also been reorganizing the party on the grass roots level. The Alaska Democratic Party, long ignored, is now getting national assistence and greater input. He is the best chairmen the party has had in the last 25 years.

Then he goes around alienating the independents and the Conservative Democrats. The two groups he needs to win any type of election.

Then he goes around alienating the independents and the Conservative Democrats. The two groups he needs to win any type of election.

From my perspective as an Alaska Democrat involved with (re)building the party, Dean is doing an excellent job. Furthermore the matter of Dean's performance is best determined by the Party Membership, which elected him and is in the best position to judge.

No, that makes you an idiot because everyone who knows how to "hed-thinky" properly knows that the (which government? any government)government is the only force in the world that can properly determine when, how, and where to do things.
Also, for each gun someone legally buys, there is a 2% chance (cumulative) that they will kill a nursery full of nuns and bunnies and ponies.

I never killed a ponie !

I never killed a ponie !
Well, that is only an average. You've porbably killed enough nuns and bunnies to make up the difference for someone else, who has killed nothing but ponies.

Yes but they were all evil communist terrorist nursery nuns who believed in gay marriage ! And the bunnies were cute but very tasty ! Its all legal anyway but killing ponies is sick .:p

Then he goes around alienating the independents and the Conservative Democrats. The two groups he needs to win any type of election.

OK, you said that liberals listen to Dean even though he is a political hack, without showing that liberals actually listen to Dean, or why he is a hack.

You instead make a comment about him alienating two demographics without explaining why or how he is doing it.

Your posts are lacking substance.

I don't know very many liberals who actually listen to Dean, as in sit there and agree with what he's saying. I, personally, like hearing what he's saying because he's funny when he's around I like the guy's personality. He's a pet of the party, like Ted Kennedy without all the suck.



Please don't tell me you're one of those people who thinks no one is truely a liberal unless they're a socialist.
No. Liberalism is a joke. So is conservatism, national socialism, utilitarianism, libertarianism, anarchism, and etcetera.