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You think you have problems with your family?

Greater Valia
19-10-2005, 03:18
Family Saga, and Skeleton, Uncovered
By JONATHAN MILLER

WEST NEW YORK, N.J., Oct. 11 - About a year ago, a girl was born in this working-class town and was promptly flung out of a third-floor window. She tumbled down a thin air shaft, naked, her umbilical cord still attached. Her head smashed into the concrete 31 feet below. She died instantly. And there she lay, unnamed, buried in a grave of garbage and cigarette packs.

The story gets worse.

On the morning of Sept. 13, another baby was born and he, too, was shoved through the same window, splattering blood through neighbors' window panes as he fell, landing with a thud near the decaying body of his sister. His screams cut through the walls, and neighbors called the police. His skull cracked, and his eye was blackened, but he lived.

The story gets worse.

The authorities soon learned that the mother of the two children was Lucila Ventura, an 18-year-old immigrant from El Salvador. Their father was a 44-year-old named Jose Julio Ventura. But he is not just the father of Lucila's children, the police say. He is also their grandfather.

This tale of incest, abuse and murder has shaken nearly everyone involved here. Edward J. De Fazio, the Hudson County prosecutor, has called the case a "vivid explosion of family dysfunction."

"I've never seen anything quite like this," Mr. De Fazio said in an interview. "And I've been involved in this kind of work for some time."

As many try to make sense of the horrific events here, so much remains a mystery. And like all mysteries, there are questions and bewilderment.

"Everyone was saying, 'How could the mother not know what was going on?' " said Maria Ortiz, 40, who lived above the family and yet knew next to nothing about them. "It's sad, very sad." She paused. "And disgusting."

Ms. Ventura has been charged with murder, attempted murder, endangering the welfare of a child and child abuse. If convicted, she could be sentenced to up to 40 years in prison. The authorities say she threw both of her babies out the window shortly after giving birth to them in the tiny apartment she shared with her mother, father, four brothers and uncle. Prosecutors have not decided whether to try her as an adult in the death of her first child. Her lawyer says that her father had possibly been abusing her for several years.

Mr. De Fazio suggested in an interview that he was trying to pry information from Ms. Ventura so that he could charge the father with a more serious offense. "In order to pursue the case against the father, Lucila would need to be a state's witness," Mr. De Fazio said.

She is undergoing a psychiatric evaluation, according to the authorities. Mr. Ventura is charged with aggravated sexual assault, endangering the welfare of a child and child abuse, though the results of a paternity test for the babies are not back. He has not been implicated in the killings. He pleaded not guilty at his arraignment, with bail set at $500,000. If convicted, he could face up to 20 years in prison.

Mr. Ventura's public defender, E. Carl Broege, said his client is far from the "beast" portrayed in media accounts. Instead, he said, his client was a "pathetic little man" who seemed "scared and subdued, and he seemed not to comprehend what was happening."

Both father and daughter are now being held at the Hudson County Correction Center in Kearny.

The young life of Lucila Ventura is one that has been lived out of sight, behind closed doors, away from others. Though her family has lived in New Jersey for some time, she joined them about six years ago, after living with a grandmother in El Salvador, according to a person involved in the investigation.

For at least six years, she has lived in a two-bedroom apartment on 64th Street with her family, relatives and neighbors said. But she was never seen outside hanging on the stoop, like other teenagers in her neighborhood, many say. She slept in a room with her parents and a younger brother, according to relatives. Her parents said little more than "hello" to neighbors in the building. Even cousins of Ms. Ventura's who live in the same building say they had no idea that she had ever been pregnant, or that her father had been abusing her.

"I couldn't believe it," said Aleyda Romero, 15, a cousin of Ms. Ventura's who lived a floor below and saw her two days before the birth in September.

She said of her uncle and cousin: "They got along with each other. We never saw him doing something to her." She added: "We couldn't believe he was the father."

Ms. Ventura's lawyer, Anthony J. Fusco Jr., said in a news conference last month that the abuse might have lasted for several years.

"We are now learning that this abuse may have started to occur when she was 13 or 14 years old and continued on multiple occasions each week for years," he said. Through a secretary, Mr. Fusco declined to comment further.

Nearly every weekday, Mr. Ventura, a cook who worked the night shift at a local restaurant, put his daughter in a green minivan and drove her 13 blocks to Memorial High School, according to relatives and classmates. Often, he would pick her up during lunch. And when school was dismissed at 3 p.m., he picked her up again and took her back home. The mother had worked as a laborer in the jewelry business during the day.

While she was in school, Lucila never did much to distinguish herself to classmates.

"She would walk down the hall with her head down," said one of those classmates, George Triantafyllopoulos, 18, "like she was invisible."

Even now, a month after the news broke - during which students at Memorial High School have been lectured about their options for unwanted babies - many students and teachers responded to the mention of Lucila Ventura's name with a puzzled expression and a one-word question.

"Who?"

Classmates said that Ms. Ventura was an enigma: a loner who was never picked on, a girl who never had a boyfriend and who never seemed able to connect with other students. When he was a freshman, Mr. Triantafyllopoulos said that he and another friend approached Ms. Ventura in gym class. "Me and a girl would try to talk to her and she would just walk away," he said.

She had been a student in the English as a Second Language program since starting high school four years ago, said the principal, Matthew Sinisi.

Another classmate, Kayla Rivas, 16, said that while Ms. Ventura "was always a quiet person, shy," they would sometimes talk about "girl stuff" in gym. She did not mention any problems with her father, Kayla said. When asked what, exactly, they would talk about, Kayla shrugged and said, "You know, girl stuff."

In this tightly packed, 1.3-square mile working class city of immigrants from Cuba, Mexico, Colombia and Ecuador, children play on the sidewalk and the streets teem on a weekday afternoon. Its luxury high-rise apartments face Midtown Manhattan.

West New York also suffers with a poverty rate of 19 percent. Students say that the high school has grappled in the past with MS-13, the Central American gang. Some students said teenage pregnancy is not considered unusual.

Amid this, Lucila Ventura had seemed like a "good girl," according to Ms. Ortiz. No one - teachers, neighbors, even relatives - seemed to notice that she had twice been pregnant. She was heavyset, Ms. Ortiz said, and no one noticed a protruding belly.

According to a person familiar with the situation, Lucila Ventura might be mentally "limited" in some way. The source did not want to be named for fear of compromising the investigation. Prosecutors are awaiting an assessment of her mental condition. Ms. Ventura's lawyer, Mr. Fusco, has said in newspaper interviews that his client might have been insane when she threw the babies out the window, a defense that, if successful, could result in her release, supervision or commitment to a psychiatric institution.

The cousin, Aleyda Romero, said that she saw Ms. Ventura in the hallway of their building Sept. 11, two days before the birth, and she asked her if she would be in school on Monday, since she had not seen her on Friday. "And she said, 'Yeah.' "

Though she said she did not notice anything unusual, she nonetheless asked Ms. Ventura what was wrong. "She said she ate something and she felt bad after," Aleyda said.

She said she did not see her cousin in school on Monday. On Tuesday, the baby was born.

After the most recent baby was found, The Jersey Journal interviewed Ms. Ventura's mother, Maria. "We had no clue she was pregnant. She hid it from us," Maria Ventura told The Journal. "She wore loose, baggy clothes."

She said she had assumed that her daughter had a stomachache and she made her cinnamon tea before leaving for work on the morning her daughter gave birth.

For now, the month-old boy who survived the plunge into the air shaft remains in the care of the state's Division of Youth and Family Services.

He has recovered from his fractured skull, and is in a "special medical placement" in Hudson County, awaiting a transfer to a foster home. He has been named David, said Andy Williams, a spokesman for the agency.

Relatives had expressed interest in caring for the baby, but Mr. Williams and others deemed that scenario "highly unlikely."

"Family members have to be considered," he said. "But our recommendation to the court, based on circumstances in the house, we'd need more clarity before placing the child with someone from that household."

Initially, as the police responded to reports of a crying infant, they found only David, with no clue to how he got to the bottom of the 3.5-by-5-foot shaft. But as they looked up, they saw blood on the windowsill of the Venturas' bathroom window. Once inside the apartment, the police said, investigators found blood everywhere.

A day later, as maintenance workers cleared the garbage that had broken the newborn's fall, they found what they thought was a doll. It turned out to be the mummified remains of his sister.

Mr. De Fazio, the prosecutor, said that Ms. Ventura's mental state will play a significant role in the case, but noted: "It should never lead to these babies being thrown out the window, like they were some piece of garbage."

He, too, was having a hard time explaining what had happened. "I don't think you can understand it," he said. "It's complete dysfunction. It's a complete breakdown of the family."

tl;dr:

This guy had kids with his daughter, but when they were born, he flung them down an air vent. Says his lawyer "he isn't the monster the media is portraying him to be".
Syniks
19-10-2005, 03:30
And people ask me how I can be Pro Choice... :headbang:
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
19-10-2005, 03:34
And people ask me how I can be Pro Choice... :headbang:
Well, considering the fact that this woman had access to abortion clinics (New Jersey does have some elements of technology, I understand) I don't see how this statement matters.
But, you're right, it would have been much better for the babies to have had their brains removed a week before being born because then they'd never have seen the world that they were deprived of.
Greater Valia
19-10-2005, 03:36
Well, considering the fact that this woman had access to abortion clinics (New Jersey does have some elements of technology, I understand) I don't see how this statement matters.
But, you're right, it would have been much better for the babies to have had their brains removed a week before being born because then they'd never have seen the world that they were deprived of.

In that situation I'd have picked the air vent ride.
Equus
19-10-2005, 03:38
And people ask me how I can be Pro Choice... :headbang:

It doesn't sound like this young woman had even that option.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
19-10-2005, 03:43
It doesn't sound like this young woman had even that option.
Look, all the prochoice legislation in the world wouldn't have stopped this from happening. Unless you are going to send crack teams of Abortion Commandos to break into people's houses at night, there is absolutely no way to get an abortion to someone who won't (or can't) go to the clinic.
Pepe Dominguez
19-10-2005, 03:46
Look, all the prochoice legislation in the world wouldn't have stopped this from happening. Unless you are going to send crack teams of Abortion Commandos to break into people's houses at night, there is absolutely no way to get an abortion to someone who won't (or can't) go to the clinic.

Who told you about the Abortion Commandos? Shhhhh..
Equus
19-10-2005, 03:51
Look, all the prochoice legislation in the world wouldn't have stopped this from happening. Unless you are going to send crack teams of Abortion Commandos to break into people's houses at night, there is absolutely no way to get an abortion to someone who won't (or can't) go to the clinic.

Where was I disagreeing with you? I said it didn't appear that abortion was an option for this girl. If the article was accurate, it sounds like she was totally dominated by her father, possibly has mental problems, and can speak little, if any, English.

I've got nothing but sympathy for this girl. I might wish she hadn't thrown the babies out the window, or that she had the 'nads to get away from her abusive father, but then again, I haven't been mistreated for most of my life and possibly been driven mad by the abuse.
Greater Valia
19-10-2005, 03:54
Where was I disagreeing with you? I said it didn't appear that abortion was an option for this girl. If the article was accurate, it sounds like she was totally dominated by her father, possibly has mental problems, and can speak little, if any, English.


Solution!

1] Walk into abortion clinic.

2] Point at distended stomach indicating pregnancy.

3] Make "cutting throat" gesture.

4] Profit.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
19-10-2005, 03:56
Solution!

1] Walk into abortion clinic.

2] Point at distended stomach indicating pregnancy.

3] Make "cutting throat" gesture.

4] Profit.
What if they misinterpret that to mean that you want surgical modfication so that the babies will be born through your throat?
Greater Valia
19-10-2005, 03:58
What if they misinterpret that to mean that you want surgical modfication so that the babies will be born through your throat?

That would be so sweet I cannot begin to fathom how freakin' awesome that would be.

It would be like.... Aliens but... with incest love child babies bursting out of your neck!
Syniks
19-10-2005, 03:59
Where was I disagreeing with you? I said it didn't appear that abortion was an option for this girl. If the article was accurate, it sounds like she was totally dominated by her father, possibly has mental problems, and can speak little, if any, English.
No, it probably wouldn't have helped in this case... but without Legal options, how many other less-damaged women would feel trapped and similarly compelled rather than able to possibly catch it before coming to term - or even visible pregnancy - and excape full-term infanticide under the domination of an incestuous pig?

Bad, bad scene all the way around.
Czardas
19-10-2005, 04:00
What if they misinterpret that to mean that you want surgical modfication so that the babies will be born through your throat?
They're idiots, in that case.

Alternately, they could misinterpret her as asking for suicide, in which case she'd be rushed to a mental health professional, or whatever the euphemism for "hospital shrink" is these days.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
19-10-2005, 04:04
They're idiots, in that case.
Hmm, thinking about some of the desk jockies and secretaries I've met, yeah I can see that.
Syniks
19-10-2005, 04:06
They're idiots, in that case.

Alternately, they could misinterpret her as asking for suicide, in which case she'd be rushed to a mental health professional, or whatever the euphemism for "hospital shrink" is these days.
And be diagnosed "preggers", and an interpreter called, followed shortly by the INS, Local PD, Family Services, and a slew of lawyers.

Maybe the neighbors could have been spared "baby splatter".
Czardas
19-10-2005, 04:10
Hmm, thinking about some of the desk jockies and secretaries I've met, yeah I can see that.
Incompetent nurses are worse, methinks...

NURSE: Now don't move or try to talk. You've been shot in the back several times.
PATIENT: I know that. I also know who shot me. It was H N Fiddleb...
NURSE: What did I say... no talking.
PATIENT: Arrrrgh!
NURSE: And no making loud noises of frustration either. Let me give you this tranquilizer to help you relax.

(And so on, and so forth.)