NationStates Jolt Archive

Here's the scenario:
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It's the year 2025, the United States of America is collapsing, just like the Soviet Union. So is Canada, a strong brother to the north. The world is collapsing like crazy, worst than the 1930's. The US and Canada decided to form a one, strong, united country that will end the depression once and for all. By 2026, The United States of Canada is proclaimed and world is once again a happy place to live.

USC is a happy centre-left country with a mosiac of cultures. Based on both the former Canada and USA political system, the government has a President, a Senate, and the House of Commons. They have free healthcare, education, a very strong military that is well known for peacekeeping, and a strong economy like Alberta. And by the way, just like the former USA, it is the most powerful country in the world.

But there is one major problem for the USC, some of the former states of the USA in south and mid-west were reluctant to join the newly formed USC. In 2028, they seperated from the USC and formed The Republic of Jesusland. It is a far far far right-wing country based on the ideas of their "Eternal Great Leader" George W. Bush. Jesusland is run by a redneck leader who hates hippies, gays, and coloured people, and always favor the Nazis. It always kept their borders closed in fear of "terrorist"... from every country. It always vow to attack any country they like, including the USC, France and Saudi Arabia. Jesusland say they dislike N.Korea and wanting bomb it with nukes... for fun, well Jesusland is exactly like N.Korea.


*POLL*

The information in the first post is obviously propaganda produced by the government run media outlets of USC. I'm going to Jesusland.

Greenland. Right in the middle of it.

Considering I'm already living in the future site for the USC, I might as well stay here.

I must say, the choice is rather obvious...

What happened to Hawaii?

I'd take them, go somewhere in the middle of the pacific, and form a Libertarian Paradise. :D

Unless I move, I suppose the USC. Ha! We will own you with our large capital markets, and our annoying soccer moms.

How the hell can the USC have a strong military? Based on what? Neither Canada nor the pinko states on that map are known to produce a large number of volunteers for the military now, and if they have high taxes for health care etc., who's producing their military hardware?... utter hogwash :D

Jesusland kicks their ass. :p

Geez, The Chinese Republics, aren't there enough of these tonight already?

Imperial Canada kinda took over my homestate of California...guess it's USC I go!

Imperial Canada...funniest thing I've heard all day.

What happened to Hawaii?

I'd take them, go somewhere in the middle of the pacific, and form a Libertarian Paradise. :D
I'll form a Libertarian Micronation with you any day... ;) :D

How the hell can the USC have a strong military? Based on what? Neither Canada nor the pinko states on that map are known to produce a large number of volunteers for the military now, and if they have high taxes for health care etc., who's producing their military hardware?... utter hogwash :D

Jesusland kicks their ass. :p
Nay, USC can make more nukes than Jesusland. The former Canada got uranium and I believe California got plutonium. Also, Alberta is oil rich and probably on coastal BC. Jesusland should brace themselves.:p

How the hell can the USC have a strong military? Based on what? Neither Canada nor the pinko states on that map are known to produce a large number of volunteers for the military now, and if they have high taxes for health care etc., who's producing their military hardware?... utter hogwash :D

Jesusland kicks their ass. :p

We'll use our massive amounts of money to buy soldiers from other parts of the world. Probably Mexico, if the current state of affairs is anything to judge.

I think the problem is that you are looking at the USC the wrong way. Canada will only be a tiny (almost insignificant) part of it, so you can't base our future behavior on how you see canadians act today, but rather New Yorkers and Californians. (And remember one of those is home to the world financial markets and the other has all the defense contractors, so its liberal in name only). I actually expect we'll probably put the canadians on reservations or something, so we can get to their natural resources.

What happened to Hawaii?

I'd take them, go somewhere in the middle of the pacific, and form a Libertarian Paradise. :D

Can I come with?

Nay, USC can make more nukes than Jesusland. The former Canada got uranium and I believe California got plutonium. Also, Alberta is oil rich and probably on coastal BC. Jesusland should brace themselves.:p
If Australia’s government stays the same, Bush can always get nuke material from there. The Australian government is Bush’s bitch.
I'd take them, go somewhere in the middle of the pacific, and form a Libertarian Paradise.
I can see the tourism adds now:
Hawaii, tropical paradise, land of freedom, opportunity, and all the weird sex and drugs you could want.
Fucking sweet.

I can see the tourism adds now:
Hawaii, tropical paradise, land of freedom, opportunity, and all the weird sex and drugs you could want.
Fucking sweet.

Hawaiian climate + libertarian government = awesomeness unimaginable. Especially for someone like me who's grown up in bitterly cold, socialist Saskatchewan.

jesusland? The hell is that? The bible belt?

jesusland? The hell is that? The bible belt?The "red" states (USA, not USC)

The "red" states (USA, not USC)

Well, to be fair...

aw, nuts.

Well, given those choices... I think I'll just stay in Europe. :cool:

*bump*

Imperial Canada...funniest thing I've heard all day.Lol. Imperial Canada can be possibly achieved by broken down SeaKing helicopters, leaky British subs, and indian canoes with MiGs. :D

BTW, Colodia's post from another thread is pretty funny: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9804206&postcount=6 :D

Lol. Imperial Canada can be possibly achieved by broken down SeaKing helicopters, leaky British subs, and indian canoes with MiGs. :D

BTW, Colodia's post from another thread is pretty funny: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9804206&postcount=6 :D
There is only one finger I would use to salute Martin.

BTW, I might stay in the USC, but I might end up fleeing to Europe (Germany or Netherlands).

The information in the first post is obviously propaganda produced by the government run media outlets of USC. I'm going to Jesusland.

Same here.

Besides with most of the big businesses going to the United States of Canada, Jesusland will have largely purged itself from the evil ultra-commumerist/capitalist part of the Republican party. At lease until all the big businesses flee the United States of Canada because their excessive workers rights and high minimum wage and move to Jesusland. We would have the vast majority of the food, which we would refuse to share with the United States of Canada because we don't like them and are greedy like that.

Obviously the Propaganda in the explanation is heavily flavored by the left and It is just fooling itself when it believes that the USC would first be able to control Alberta with a leftist government and second keep any big business as Corporate Tax would definately be lower in Jesusland.

EDIT: In fact, I think that Alberta would join up with Jesusland. I can say that I live in Alberta and I know what Ralph Klein and any subsequent PC Government would do.

Nay, USC can make more nukes than Jesusland. The former Canada got uranium and I believe California got plutonium. Also, Alberta is oil rich and probably on coastal BC. Jesusland should brace themselves.:p

Jesusland contains enough nukes already. How many times over do you need to nuke the world? Now it might be nice to have those things for nuclear power plants, but I think Jesusland would be alright.

USC all the way! *salutes Imperial Canada*

i wouldn't mind moving to the country at the moment tbh :P



and i assume this means the queen is no longer to be the head of state of canada? maybe us brits can follow the example then ;)

What happened to Hawaii?

I'd take them, go somewhere in the middle of the pacific, and form a Libertarian Paradise. :D


Nauru would be perfect for you guys.

Jesusland

The map seems innaccurate. Maryland, Pennsylvania, and DC would absolutely be in the USC.

Why the tough talk? The conservatives are the ones who seceded last time, and we've learned our lesson regarding forced reunification -- when they leave again we're gonna let them. There's not gonna be any fighting over this. :p

The map seems innaccurate. Maryland, Pennsylvania, and DC would absolutely be in the USC.

The People's Republic of Maryland would definintely be USC. As would Boulder, Colorado (the rest of Colorado is Jesusland).

Key West, Florida, would also be a remote part of USC.

I'm already in Canada.

And really, I don't think I care much for the idea of joining forces with the states that are supposed to be coming with this deal. I mean, California and New York each have a bigger population than this entire country. We'd have to send fresh water to California, since we have lots and they're short, but if they were part of the same country, we'd be obliged to fuck up the ecosystem so some people can live in a fucking desert.

Not to mention the whole capital punishment thing in much of the states, I don't want that shit happening here.

So if this happened, I'd be moving to Europe.

The map seems innaccurate. Maryland, Pennsylvania, and DC would absolutely be in the USC.*Looks at the World Atlas* Nope. Maryland, Pennsylvania, and DC are in USC. ;)

Canada is not collapsing.

Out of the those two, poor, choices I guess I'd choose the USC. I'm assuming I can smoke pot there and so on? Though I did like the idea of Libertarion Mirconation in Hawaii I'd turn that down because I prefer cold weather to warm.

I'm also assuming most the rest of the world is fucked as well.

Jesusland contains enough nukes already. How many times over do you need to nuke the world? Now it might be nice to have those things for nuclear power plants, but I think Jesusland would be alright.

Jesusland has all the oil, and George Bush is NOT a nazi!!! :mad: :headbang:

Jesusland has all the oil, and George Bush is NOT a nazi!!! :mad: :headbang:
Maybe by all he means none. I'm not quite sure...

Jesusland has all the oilNah, your oil rigs always got blown off by hurricanes. Therefore, USC has most of the oil produced (or all of the oil if Jesusland can't rebuild their oil rigs fast enough to beat off the Venezuelans *<- spelling bad*). Also USC can make more nukes than Jesusland. :p

Maybe by all he means none. I'm not quite sure...

mmmm... let's think.... TEXAS!

Somehow my response, which I wrote after I read the response under mine beat the one I read in.

I have no clue how that happened.

Anyway, Alberta.

I'm too attached to my province to say farewell to Nova Scotia, so I'd probably just stay put in the new USC. It doesn't sound too bad, the only problem I can see is all the people from what used to be the US spreading out and crowding up the Canada part.

mmmm... let's think.... TEXAS!We got more: Alberta, Coastal BC, the Arctic, and I think Northeast BC (correct me if I'm wrong). Also we got rich uranium deposits in USC and I think California got plutonium, that's mean we can make more nukes than Jesusland.

We got more: Alberta, Coastal BC, the Arctic, and I think Northeast BC (correct me if I'm wrong). Also we got rich uranium deposits in USC and I think California got plutonium, that's mean we can make more nukes than Jesusland.

Having more nukes than a country that you're DIRECTLY ON TOP OF, isn't going to give anyone much of an advantage.

And because the grammar-freak in me is twitching: "Also we HAVE rich uranium deposits in the USC and I think California HAS plutonium".

How the hell can the USC have a strong military? Based on what? Neither Canada nor the pinko states on that map are known to produce a large number of volunteers for the military now, and if they have high taxes for health care etc., who's producing their military hardware?... utter hogwash :D

Jesusland kicks their ass. :p
Too bad after the breakup scientific progress drops off the face of the planet for Jesusland and USC uses the current method used by the USA and uses technology to whoop its southern cousins

And because the grammar-freak in me is twitching: "Also we HAVE rich uranium deposits in the USC and I think California HAS plutonium".Lol, my grammar is pretty shitty.:headbang: OMG, I've been uneducated for more than a week now, damn striking teachers and that asshole BC "Fiberal" government!:mad:

Brtian under a Lib Dem goverment

What happened to Hawaii?

I'd take them, go somewhere in the middle of the pacific, and form a Libertarian Paradise. :D
I'd co-rule with you and we can spend the days arguing about exactly how many rights to allow big businesses...

Here's the scenario:
It's the year 2025, the United States of America is collapsing, just like the Soviet Union. So is Canada, a strong brother to the north. The world is collapsing like crazy, worst than the 1930's. The US and Canada decided to form a one, strong, united country that will end the depression once and for all. By 2026, The United States of Canada is proclaimed and world is once again a happy place to live. Question #1: Why the hell is Alaska in Jesusland? They would never go along with it - despite the "Red" vote.

I'd co-rule with you and we can spend the days arguing about exactly how many rights to allow big businesses...
Alaska would join. The Greater Pacific Coast Co-Prosperity Sphere.

Alaska would join. The Greater Pacific Coast Co-Prosperity Sphere.
Yay! If Alaska were to join, I'd move there. I prefer cold weather.

Yay! If Alaska were to join, I'd move there. I prefer cold weather.
We'd have everything we need.

Massive quantities of Meat, Oil, Fruit, Veggies and Matanuska Thunderf*ck.

The only thing we would be short of is Roads. But with all that oil, we'd have plenty for our few cars plus enough to sell to Japan... Unless they joined with us too.

We'd have everything we need.

Massive quantities of Meat, Oil, Fruit, Veggies and Matanuska Thunderf*ck.

The only thing we would be short of is Roads. But with all that oil, we'd have plenty for our few cars plus enough to sell to Japan... Unless they joined with us too.
If they did, we could still sell them to Russia or Korea. Or the USC! :eek: :D

Question #1: Why the hell is Alaska in Jesusland? They would never go along with it - despite the "Red" vote.I have no flippin clue.:confused: BTW, I didn't draw this map. I found that map from a local community forum after the 2004 US election.

I have no flippin clue.:confused: BTW, I didn't draw this map. I found that map from a local community forum after the 2004 US election.
I know. rhetorical question. They did it solely because it voted "Red" - nevermind the actual Libertarian (anti-idiotarian) bent of the state.

I'll be packing my bags and heading for the tropical shores of Hawaii.

I'll be packing my bags and heading for the tropical shores of Hawaii.
W00t, another member of our libertarian paradise!

I'm modeling it after my own nation.

The OP ripped this off from Michael Moore's website

We got more: Alberta, Coastal BC, the Arctic, and I think Northeast BC (correct me if I'm wrong). Also we got rich uranium deposits in USC and I think California got plutonium, that's mean we can make more nukes than Jesusland.

why does the world suddenly revolve around nukes anyway... i don't like wars unless they're neccesary, and somehow, just dumping nukes on a country because it is more religious and conservative than yours.... doesn't seem to good an option. it's noy like it's violating any international law...

I'm packing my bags and going to USC!!!!

why does the world suddenly revolve around nukes anyway... i don't like wars unless they're neccesary, and somehow, just dumping nukes on a country because it is more religious and conservative than yours.... doesn't seem to good an option. it's noy like it's violating any international law...

Not to mention that in this hypothetical case, they'd be dumping nukes on a nation directly adjacent to their own, which is most likely not a very good idea at all.

I'm packing my bags and going to USC!!!!Hear hear!!! USC's first immigrant! :D

I'm already in Canada.

And really, I don't think I care much for the idea of joining forces with the states that are supposed to be coming with this deal. I mean, California and New York each have a bigger population than this entire country. We'd have to send fresh water to California, since we have lots and they're short, but if they were part of the same country, we'd be obliged to fuck up the ecosystem so some people can live in a fucking desert.

Not to mention the whole capital punishment thing in much of the states, I don't want that shit happening here.

So if this happened, I'd be moving to Europe.

Finally, someone who gets it.

USC! w00t!

What strikes me regarding the relative military strengths is this: Look at what the USC encompasses. New England, New York, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, California, Washington, Toronto, Ontario... In short, with the exception of Ohio and Indiana (and Ohio really should be included with the USC), the industrial core of North America is within the borders of the USC. Jesusland? They have Texas, Florida, Ohio (again, which would be part of the USC), and Indiana (and I'm not even sure if that's very industrial- I just know it's on the Great Lakes). Industry, of course, means more and better tanks and arms.

In addition, with California, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and great long coastlines open for sea trade (one of which is open to the Pacific, which Jesusland has no access to save Alaska), food won't be a problem.

Finally, California and New York are, respectively, the 1st and 3rd most populace states in the Union, and the inclusion of other Northern states bump that up greatly; manpower won't be a problem.

While we're enjoying ever-increasing liberties, economic prosperity due to policies that actually work (as seen under Roosevelt and Clinton), and laid-back acceptance of diversity, you'll stagnate under a thinly-veiled theocracy, economic policies that decidedly don't work (as seen under Nixon, Reagan, and both Bushes), and harshly enforced uniformity. Best emigrate while you can, methinks.

Where would a liberal christian, such as myself, go? Im so confused...Can we make a territory where liberals christians live..I know it would end being like kashmir thouh..so if that happenes lets make Illinois that place...I live here...so that way if there is some sort of war you are not destroying much...Just corn fields and chicago...But no one likes chicago, now do they? :D

Liberal Christians? USC. *points north* As I said, we accept diversity, be they atheist, Wiccan, Christian, Muslim, Jewish... Heck, they could worship Bob the Magic Clown and they'd still be welcome. Yay, diversity!

Polls!

Liberal Christians? USC. *points north* As I said, we accept diversity, be they atheist, Wiccan, Christian, Muslim, Jewish... Heck, they could worship Bob the Magic Clown and they'd still be welcome. Yay, diversity!
Three cheers for diversity!

My home state's Michigan. I'll stay there, in USC territory, and we'll end up fighting Ohio, again, and this time instead of bribing us with the UP we'll take Toledo. Yeah, uhuh.

TAKE THAT OHIO, TAKE THAT! We annex you, and Alaska, but Indiana can stay in Jesus land. That's what we got cross lake ferries for.

*Checks for Indianians* Indiana is worthless! *jumps back into the Michigan forests*

No one take this seriously, please. :p

Jesusland sounds like no land for me.

Polls!
What on earth do you mean?

I have one problem with Jesusland the thought of WASPS.

Three cheers for diversity!

Hip Hip Hooray!

Hip Hip *looks around* Hooray!

*notices no one else is joining in* Hip...Hip... *cricket chirps* ...Hooray?

iResurrect this thread.:D

Since you said "the whole world is collapsing" I would just found a right wing libertarian nation in former Poland, Germany, France, and Czech Republic with the capital in Warsaw. Also, the nation will be atheist.

Since you said "the whole world is collapsing" I would just found a right wing libertarian nation in former Poland, Germany, France, and Czech Republic with the capital in Warsaw. Also, the nation will be atheist.So what is the name of your new free market / social liberal (I think) nation?

So what is the name of your new free market / social liberal (I think) nation?
I don't know what the name of my right-wing libertarian nation should be just yet.