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When you're acting like a jerk, you're best friend should tell you so. For 230 years, France has been the USA's best friend. France told the USA it was being a jerk when the Bush admisnistration wanted to invade Iraq. Ignorant Americans reacted by boycotting French products and renaming French fries, "Liberty Fries." How ironic, considering few other nations value liberty as mush as the French. Four years later, most people in the US realize invading Iraq was a huge mistake. So far, France has been polite enough not to say, "I told you so." Thank you France, For being honest with us. You are a great and noble people.

Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite!
Viva La France!

Please, we've had much closer and more faithful allies than France.

<Blah, Blah, self-inflated ramblings>
"Liberty Fries."
<Blah, Blah, proposal to fellate France>
They're freedom fries, you commie punk. Get it right next time.

I kid, I kid

Please, we've had much closer and more faithful allies than France.
Over 230 years..? Please... inform us.

Please, we've had much closer and more faithful allies than France.
Like who?
Britain hadn't been a friend really before WWI really forced the two together.
And satellite states don't count.

When you're acting like a jerk, you're best friend should tell you so. For 230 years, France has been the USA's best friend. France told the USA it was being a jerk when the Bush admisnistration wanted to invade Iraq. Ignorant Americans reacted by boycotting French products and renaming French fries, "Liberty Fries." How ironic, considering few other nations value liberty as mush as the French. Four years later, most people in the US realize invading Iraq was a huge mistake. So far, France has been polite enough not to say, "I told you so." Thank you France, For being honest with us. You are a great and noble people.

Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite!
Viva La France!

+1

Over 230 years..? Please... inform us.

Well, not as long as France, but far more faithful.

Well, not as long as France, but far more faithful.
Ok. Name them.

Ok. Name them.

Cuba under Batista and Nicaragua from 1937-79.

Cuba under Batista and Nicaragua from 1937-79.
Nnnngggggg....

*stifles laughter*

Well, not as long as France, but far more faithful.

When we blindly adopt a religion, a political system, a literary dogma, we become automatons. We cease to grow. -Anais Nin

Over 230 years..? Please... inform us.
Let me rephrase the statement to make it correct, we currently have closer and more loyal allies then France. Sorry, to burst your bubble, but just because someone did me a good turn a couple times in the past (and then only because it furthered their own goals) doesn't mean that I have to like them now.

Nnnngggggg....

*stifles laughter*

They were the most faithful allies we ever had. Neither ever deviated from their support, whether it was voting at the U.N., supporting our foreign policy, or whatever.

Cuba under Batista and Nicaragua from 1937-79.
I thought we said satellite states don't count!

Anyways, the truth is this:
The majority of Americans now say that going to Iraq was a bad idea.
The leadership in Washington had a bad case of groupthink and wanted to do it no matter what.
France (which had been the first country to express its condolences on 9/11) for whatever reason pointed out that it was a bad idea.

And "Freedom Fries" is what they get in return.
And they really are from Belgium.

I thought we said satellite states don't count!

Anyways, the truth is this:
The majority of Americans now say that going to Iraq was a bad idea.
The leadership in Washington had a bad case of groupthink and wanted to do it no matter what.
France (which had been the first country to express its condolences on 9/11) for whatever reason pointed out that it was a bad idea.

And "Freedom Fries" is what they get in return.
And they really are from Belgium.

Allies and satellite states are not the same thing. Anyway, this is a thread about France, not Central America/the Caribbean...

They were the most faithful allies we ever had. Neither ever deviated from their support, whether it was voting at the U.N., supporting our foreign policy, or whatever.

Hmmmm... wonder why...hmmmm...

Anyone venture a guess? i'll give you a cookie? :D

we currently have closer and more loyal allies then France. Sorry, to burst your bubble, but just because someone did me a good turn a couple times in the past (and then only because it furthered their own goals) doesn't mean that I have to like them now
Ah, but that wasn't what was asked originally.

Can we use that every time we hear the "We saved your asses in WWII; you owe us" argument?

So far, France has been polite enough not to say, "I told you so."
First of all, what the Fuck? You’re kidding right?
Second, I hate all nations equally.

Hmmmm... wonder why...hmmmm...

Because they are anticommunist and believed (mistakenly) that the U.S. was, as well. But again, let's not hijack this thread, we can discuss over TGs if you want.

without france there would be no america but then again france only helped us to spite the british,whom they hated at the time

I thought we said satellite states don't count!
So an ally is only an ally if you can't trust them and they regularly cause trouble for you? The aforementioned were sovereign nations who fell easily into step with the U.S., hence loyal and faithful.
And they really are from Belgium.
You know what else is from Belgium, Brussel Sprouts.
Yeah, thats right, I said it, now what are you going to do?

You know what else is from Belgium, Brussel Sprouts.
Yeah, thats right, I said it, now what are you going to do?
Meh, since WWI we Germans call them "Oppression and Genocide" Sprouts.

Hmmmm... wonder why...hmmmm...

Anyone venture a guess? i'll give you a cookie? :D
Loyalty. Thats that thing where you do what the other guy wants you to do.


Can we use that every time we hear the "We saved your asses in WWII; you owe us" argument?
Actually, please do. It would be a definite improvement when the line of "We saved your asses in WWII" usually gets replies of "Did not!" and then followed by this line of logic that smells as if it came fresh from someone's ass about how the US, in fact, made everything worse in WWII because Hitler was really just this great guy who started the whole thing on accident and was going to fly away on a magical pony until the U.S. got involved.

Because they are anticommunist and believed (mistakenly) that the U.S. was, as well. But again, let's not hijack this thread, we can discuss over TGs if you want.

OR... Batista was a stooge of the US, a corrupt motherf**k who was a peon to the US corporations that were investing in Cuba. THAT maybe was why Cuba was such an ally.
Jesus..:rolleyes:

Again, you're actually not going to find someone who has had such a long positive relationship with the US as France has.

Mmmm... whats that taste.... ah, bitter :p :D

So has anyone calculated the final tally on how much money from the food-for-oil scam the French were being paid to throw away their dignity and disregard their 'alliance/friendship' with America for their vote in the Security council to go in the favor of defending Sadam?

I haven't seen the final tally yet, but at least it looks like it was a lot, it would be a shame to think that the French threw away their dignity for just a little under the table money...

OR... Batista was a stooge of the US, a corrupt motherf**k who was a peon to the US corporations that were investing in Cuba. THAT maybe was why Cuba was such an ally.
Jesus..:rolleyes:

Again, you're actually not going to find someone who has had such a long positive relationship with the US as France has.

Mmmm... whats that taste.... ah, bitter :p :D

Under Batista, only 7 percent of Cuba's invested capital was American, and less than 1/3 of Cuba's sugar production was by American companies.

Again, though, if you want to discuss this further, TG me...

OR... Batista was a stooge of the US, a corrupt motherf**k who was a peon to the US corporations that were investing in Cuba. THAT maybe was why Cuba was such an ally.
Jesus..:rolleyes:

Again, you're actually not going to find someone who has had such a long positive relationship with the US as France has.

Mmmm... whats that taste.... ah, bitter :p :D

Did you ever see that political picture of a big man (US) handing out bags filled with US dollars to children (various latin american states) while having the famous big stick behind his back :)

saying that batista and the likes were the best allies of the US is like saying that the ones in kiev are the greatest allies of russia: it's not like they have a real choice.

I haven't seen the final tally yet, but at least it looks like it was a lot, it would be a shame to think that the French threw away their dignity for just a little under the table money...
It is a disgrace that some people in the UN (including apparently the UN emissary for France) got bribes out of this.
If it was up to me, I'd put them in jail for life.

But that doesn't mean that that was the motive for the French government. I happen to think that they actually did think that war was not a solution for this. And especially not one that so ignored the rest of the international community.

But that doesn't mean that that was the motive for the French government. I happen to think that they actually did think that war was not a solution for this. And especially not one that so ignored the rest of the international community.

At the very least, if you are taking bribes directly and currently from the guy your voting concerns, you either abstain by removing yourself from the vote, OR you give the money back. France did neither. They voted in favor of defending Saddam regime AND they kept the money, in other words, it was a bribe and they accepted it. Their vote should be discarded and ignored.

<snip>For 230 years, France has been the USA's best friend.<snip>
You'll need to backup a statement like this. They may have been "best friends" 230 years ago when France viewed America as an ally in North America following their defeat in the Seven Years War, the deterioration of their friendship goes far back, certainly much earlier than the second Iraq war. America has had greater allies over its more recent history (Britain and Canada since the end of the War of 1812), and France and America have had a difficult relationship that soured from the beginning of the Cold War to present.

I'd like to see your evidence for claiming such a prestigious role for France.

Viva La France!

Surely a francophile would know that "viva" isn't French? :confused:

You'll need to backup a statement like this. They may have been "best friends" 230 years ago when France viewed America as an ally in North America following their defeat in the Seven Years War, the deterioration of their friendship goes far back, certainly much earlier than the second Iraq war. America has had greater allies over its more recent history (Britain and Canada since the end of the War of 1812), and France and America have had a difficult relationship that soured from the beginning of the Cold War to present.

I'd like to see your evidence for claiming such a prestigious role for France.
Plus, we had an undeclared war with them, while they were still our allies.

Frenchie stole my ship!

At the very least, if you are taking bribes directly and currently from the guy your voting concerns, you either abstain by removing yourself from the vote, OR you give the money back. France did neither. They voted in favor of defending Saddam regime AND they kept the money, in other words, it was a bribe and they accepted it. Their vote should be discarded and ignored.

And you conviniently forget that US companies profited heavily off the food for oil scandal, likely more than France.

Just maybe, the US argument for invading iraq was defunct? It seems plenty of people opposed the war, not just choice french politicians and buisnessmen.

Plus, we had an undeclared war with them, while they were still our allies.

Frenchie stole my ship!

And britain with impressment. It happens, doesn't change major contributions, and current standing.

And you conviniently forget that US companies profited heavily off the food for oil scandal, likely more than France.

Just maybe, the US argument for invading iraq was defunct? It seems plenty of people opposed the war, not just choice french politicians and buisnessmen.

Trying to pretend that a Bribe is comparible to a business transaction is absurd. Selling a product and taking an underhanded bribe to allow illegal activity is not comparable.

There were three votes in the Security Council that were directly cast by countries accepting Bribes. Three countries with two solid reasons each to vote in defense of Saddam, reason one, to keep the Bribes secret, reason two, to keep the Bribes coming. France, Germany and Russia, all three guilty, it's not an conspiracy accusation by me, it's a proven fact.

And britain with impressment. It happens, doesn't change major contributions, and current standing.
Yeah, and current standing isn’t good at all.

Anybody know why the frogs hate Hispanics so much?

Meh, since WWI we Germans call them "Oppression and Genocide" Sprouts.Can I have your babies?

Can I have your babies?
You have to stop saying that. Is was cute once, maybe twice. Now it’s just fucking annoying.

Trying to pretend that a Bribe is comparible to a business transaction is absurd. Selling a product and taking an underhanded bribe to allow illegal activity is not comparable.

There were three votes in the Security Council that were directly cast by countries accepting Bribes. Three countries with two solid reasons each to vote in defense of Saddam, reason one, to keep the Bribes secret, reason two, to keep the Bribes coming. France, Germany and Russia, all three guilty, it's not an conspiracy accusation by me, it's a proven fact.

I suppose if you call them business transactions, its ok?

Lets look at these facts.

1. The US set up the Food for oil program.

2. You name a French foreign minister as being accused of taking bribes. What about British MP George Galloway and his charity being accused? Or Shaker al-Kaffaji, an Iraqi-American businessman? They were also accused.

3. Khafaji admitted that he received and sold Iraqi oil contracts to Italtech, an Italian based oil trading company, which resold the oil to Houston-based Bayoil.

4. The Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations assigned to investigate the scandal concluded that "The United States (government) was not only aware of Iraqi oil sales which violated UN sanctions and provided the bulk of the illicit money Saddam Hussein obtained from circumventing UN sanctions. On occasion, the United States actually facilitated the illicit oil sales." The report also found that individuals and companies in the United States accounted for 52% of all oil-voucher kickbacks paid to Saddam Hussein. The largest of these recipients, Houston based Bayoil and its CEO, Bay Chalmers have been indicted by the US Department of Justice for their actions.

Again, for effect:

The Senate report found that US oil purchases accounted for 52% of the kickbacks paid to the regime in return for sales of cheap oil - more than the rest of the world put together.

Give it a pretty name, it still stinks.

You have to stop saying that. Is was cute once, maybe twice. Now it’s just fucking annoying.Aw, and here I was trying to impress you.
My comment was not addressed to you, I was expressing my admiration for the wit of another poster; giving him props. It had nothing to do with you.

Aw, and here I was trying to impress you.
My comment was not addressed to you, I was expressing my admiration for the wit of another poster; giving him props. It had nothing to do with you.
Yeah, I know. Fact is, I’m still annoyed by it.

Yeah, and current standing isn’t good at all.

Anybody know why the frogs hate Hispanics so much?

Since everything seems to be based on political connections, current standing is very good. France is a key part in the war on terror, cooperating greatly with the US. US and French forces work together in Afghanistan currently, and did/do in Haiti just recently. Despite some strongly worded comments, the meat of the argument is that we are good allies. Not being in iraq together is one of the few parts where we split.

EDIT: Was there some sort of study done showing frogs hating hispanics? Or people in general?

Go to google, type in "French military victories" and click I'm Feeling Lucky ...

Go to google, type in "French military victories" and click I'm Feeling Lucky ...
That is fucking sweet.

The UN ran the Food-For-Oil program, not the US

Between January 1997 and February 2001 alone, French companies listed in the database sold more than $2.9 billion worth of goods to Iraq. Russian companies got almost $2.6 billion and Chinese firms received nearly $1.9 billion. Sales from the United States and the United Kingdom amounted to $376 million.

The UN ran the Food-For-Oil program, not the US

Between January 1997 and February 2001 alone, French companies listed in the database sold more than $2.9 billion worth of goods to Iraq. Russian companies got almost $2.6 billion and Chinese firms received nearly $1.9 billion. Sales from the United States and the United Kingdom amounted to $376 million.

Assuming this is just regular goods, who the hell cares? We should shun people because they sell wine, or books, or whatever the hell they sold?

You cant counter the fact that the US recieved 52% of all kickbacks from Food for oil, so you try to come up with some counter-argument like this... There's a difference between goods and illegal profit from cheating the UN.

Go to google, type in "French military victories" and click I'm Feeling Lucky ...

Or you could read some history books, and get an actually accurate account of their military history.

I don't have to counter your arguments. I'm not denying that there are criminals in America. I'm denying that the criminals run the government policy in America like they do in France, Russia and the UN
http://slate.msn.com/id/2111195

Yeah, I know. Fact is, I’m still annoyed by it.Ok.
Have fun with that.

Or you could read some history books, and get an actually accurate account of their military history.
It’s a joke, a common joke around the world. Everyone hates the French.
If it makes you feel any better,

french inf is teh PWNZERZ!!!!11!@!1!!1!

Ok.
Have fun with that.
Oh, don’t worry, I will.

Or you could read some history books, and get an actually accurate account of their military history.

That led to the three basic rules of French combat:

1. The French win when not led by a French man.
examples: Joan of Arc.

2. The French win when led by a man not from France.
examples: Napoleon wasn't French at all.

3. The French win when someone else does most of the work.
examples: American Revolution, WWI, WWII, Gulf War I, and the war in Afghanistan. The Americans and British did most of the work in WWI, WWII, GWI, and Afghanistan. The US did most of the work in the revolution.

Of course, someone will bring up the French Revolution. Yes, they won that. They also lost that since both sides were, in fact, French. It goes either way. It also made America's Revolution look like a tea party. No pun intended involving the Boston Tea Party.

That led to the three basic rules of French combat:

1. The French win when not led by a French man.
examples: Joan of Arc.

2. The French win when led by a man not from France.
examples: Napoleon wasn't French at all.

3. The French win when someone else does most of the work.
examples: American Revolution, WWI, WWII, Gulf War I, and the war in Afghanistan. The Americans and British did most of the work in WWI, WWII, GWI, and Afghanistan. The US did most of the work in the revolution.

Of course, someone will bring up the French Revolution. Yes, they won that. They also lost that since both sides were, in fact, French. It goes either way. It also made America's Revolution look like a tea party. No pun intended involving the Boston Tea Party.
Charlemagne ROXORZ MY SOXORZ!!2!@!!2112!

Go to google, type in "French military victories" and click I'm Feeling Lucky ...


Now that is friggin awesome. I love how it suggests to you "did you mean French military defeats?"

That led to the three basic rules of French combat:

1. The French win when not led by a French man.
examples: Joan of Arc.

2. The French win when led by a man not from France.
examples: Napoleon wasn't French at all.

3. The French win when someone else does most of the work.
examples: American Revolution, WWI, WWII, Gulf War I, and the war in Afghanistan. The Americans and British did most of the work in WWI, WWII, GWI, and Afghanistan. The US did most of the work in the revolution.

Of course, someone will bring up the French Revolution. Yes, they won that. They also lost that since both sides were, in fact, French. It goes either way. It also made America's Revolution look like a tea party. No pun intended involving the Boston Tea Party.
And what about someone like, say, Charlemagne? Not only did he unite/conquer all of the Frankish Kingdoms, he prevented the Moors crossing the Pyrenees, was crowned Holy Roman Emperor, and was instrumental in the set up of society that would stay in place for the next approx. 600 years (feudalism).

When you're acting like a jerk, you're best friend should tell you so. For 230 years, France has been the USA's best friend. France told the USA it was being a jerk when the Bush admisnistration wanted to invade Iraq. Ignorant Americans reacted by boycotting French products and renaming French fries, "Liberty Fries." How ironic, considering few other nations value liberty as mush as the French. Four years later, most people in the US realize invading Iraq was a huge mistake. So far, France has been polite enough not to say, "I told you so." Thank you France, For being honest with us. You are a great and noble people.

Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite!
Viva La France!

Is this not like... 2+ years late?

At the very least, if you are taking bribes directly and currently from the guy your voting concerns, you either abstain by removing yourself from the vote, OR you give the money back. France did neither. They voted in favor of defending Saddam regime AND they kept the money, in other words, it was a bribe and they accepted it. Their vote should be discarded and ignored.
Note though that it wasn't France - it was a French official.

Yeah, I know. Fact is, I’m still annoyed by it.
You're just annoyed because you don't get to spread your genes...:D

@ Oxwana
:fluffle: is the cutomary response, is it not?

America owes it's liberty to France. Sort of.
During the American Revolution, the Americans won because England was busy trying to defeat Napolean. Naturally, the Americans most likely would have found another way to freedom, but perhaps not as soon.
So les Etats-Unis are indebted to la France.

During the American Revolution, the Americans won because England was busy trying to defeat Napolean.
Almost.
US Independence: 1783 I believe.
Napoleon becoming the boss of ye olde France: 1799.

Almost.
US Independence: 1783 I believe.
Napoleon becoming the boss of ye olde France: 1799.

Sorry, got my facts wrong. I thought I remembered a connection between Napoleon and the Rev. war, but I must have been mistaken. However, France allied with Americans and assisted with the war:
"February 1778
As a result of the patriot victory at Saratoga and American diplomatic efforts, France allies itself with the new American government. French financial and military aid will prove critical in winning the war. The Continental Army will learn of the French Alliance in May."
From http://www.nps.gov/revwar/about_the_revolution/timeline_of_events_11_14.html

3. The French win when someone else does most of the work.
examples: American Revolution, WWI, WWII, Gulf War I, and the war in Afghanistan. The Americans and British did most of the work in WWI, WWII, GWI, and Afghanistan. The US did most of the work in the revolution.A French man, however, lead the allies in WWI.

Sorry, got my facts wrong. I thought I remembered a connection between Napoleon and the Rev. war, but I must have been mistaken. However, France allied with Americans and assisted with the war...
France had just been through its own revolution, all the monarchies of Europe (including Britain) wanted to reinstall the king, and so France was at war with everyone in the years leading up to the US Declaration of Independence.
But Europe got its arse kicked by France, and so only Britain really kept the grudge going for a while.

I don't have to counter your arguments. I'm not denying that there are criminals in America. I'm denying that the criminals run the government policy in America like they do in France, Russia and the UN
http://slate.msn.com/id/2111195

A. I'm not taking any creed in an Op-ed piece that starts off by quoting fox news.

B. You are saying that while big buisness, especially the oil industries, doesn't have signifigant sway in the US government, they have enough in the French and Russian governments to effect foreign policy?

Wow. You go the full length. Stuff your ears, wrap a cloth around your head, cement around the head, a full helmet on top of that, more cloth, then you stick your head in the sand.

France had just been through its own revolution, all the monarchies of Europe (including Britain) wanted to reinstall the king, and so France was at war with everyone in the years leading up to the US Declaration of Independence.
But Europe got its arse kicked by France, and so only Britain really kept the grudge going for a while.

You have it wrong.

America had its revolution first, 1775. The French Monarchy came to help the Americans, and the Americans threw off the british.

Suffering from cash problems from helping the Americans, as well as food shortages, etc, the populace of France is emboldened by the revolutionary spirit of the Americans. They overthrow the monarch in 1789(Bastille day), set up temporary governments, and do their thing. It devolves into Robespierre's reign of terror, then Napoleon makes his way to leader of France by 1799 or so. He begins his campaings in the 1800's, while the Americans, though mostly cheering on the French, stay out of the way. However, the Americans staying on the edge leads to the French and British both preventing America from trading with each other, and finally, the war of 1812 breaks out.

You have it wrong.
Yeah..I was wondering why they had Royal flags on the boats at the end of "The Patriot"...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_revolution

Like who?
Britain hadn't been a friend really before WWI really forced the two together.
And satellite states don't count.
We in Canada have been a valuable and solid ally and friend (even when it didn't go both ways across the border) for longer and without interuption than any country. Yes France helped with the revolution against Britian but that ended with Napoleon and didn't start again until WW2 when the Yanks saved your ASSes!

We in Canada have been a valuable and solid ally and friend (even when it didn't go both ways across the border) for longer and without interuption than any country. Yes France helped with the revolution against Britian but that ended with Napoleon and didn't start again until WW2 when the Yanks saved your ASSes!
What, so the war between the US and the British forces in Canada doesn't count as an interruption?

We in Canada have been a valuable and solid ally and friend (even when it didn't go both ways across the border) for longer and without interuption than any country. Yes France helped with the revolution against Britian but that ended with Napoleon and didn't start again until WW2 when the Yanks saved your ASSes!

The "yanks" surely didn't save the French. The French were already occupied by the Germans, the Americans were about 4 years late on saving the French. No, all America did was use France as a path into germany, as Italy simply wasn't going fast enough.

France would have been fine without america, either being liberated by the Russians, or if the germans pulled out of France to deal with the russians, the French would have overthrown vichy. Hell, the british and the French probably would have pulled off a Dragoon-esque landing in 1945, if there had been no american support... Hundreds of thousands of Algerians, Moroccans, frenchmen, etc, would have slowly overtaken the small germans left in France(assuming that the germans pulled forces to fight the russians, instead of a desperate battle of the bulge, etc type thing).

The Americans helped the french, but it wasn't anything abnormal. The French and Americans were allies, and the French helped the Americans in the war too(Africa, especially italy, france).

And Canada doesn't count, because they are the equivilent to a stump arm. You can wave it around all you like, but it wont do anything, and people are only going to laugh at you.

There's no such thing as a "francophile", man!

There's no such thing as a "francophile", man!

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Francophile

You have it wrong.

America had its revolution first, 1775. The French Monarchy came to help the Americans, and the Americans threw off the british.

Suffering from cash problems from helping the Americans, as well as food shortages, etc, the populace of France is emboldened by the revolutionary spirit of the Americans. They overthrow the monarch in 1789(Bastille day),

Bastille Day wasn't when the King was overthrown, it was when the Bastille was stormed ;)

The King operated in a grey area for a while, though having little real power he was still the titular head of France, and kept this position whilst pretending to support the revolution. That was until a number of things happened, like the radical republicans getting more influential and him fleeing to Varennes.


There's no such thing as a "francophile", man!

Really? Someone should really tell the dictionary that. :confused:

Vive La France, indeed

Bastille Day wasn't when the King was overthrown, it was when the Bastille was stormed ;)

The King operated in a grey area for a while, though having little real power he was still the titular head of France, and kept this position whilst pretending to support the revolution. That was until a number of things happened, like the radical republicans getting more influential and him fleeing to Varennes.



Really? Someone should really tell the dictionary that. :confused:

PS: and lets not forget that he was arressted by a postman who recognised him 'as the man on the money'

Charlemagne ROXORZ MY SOXORZ!!2!@!!2112!
actually Charlemange Wasnt French he was a Frank

PS: and lets not forget that he was arressted by a postman who recognised him 'as the man on the money'

Ahh yes, dear Drouot (sorry, no idea how to spell that).

Though I thought he was the postman's son?

actually Charlemange Wasnt French he was a Frank

Isn't that a bit like saying, Alfred the Great wasn't English, he was an Anglo-Saxon?

(Bit of trivia, in 1714, one Nicolas Feret was imprisoned in the Bastille for showing that the Franks were really Germans).

ooh yes French relvolution where La Marseilles was wroitten by a Monarchist

ooh yes French relvolution where La Marseilles was wroitten by a Monarchist

Have you read the words?

What leads you to believe he was a Monarchist?

PS. It is the La Marseillaise. Marseilles is a city I think.

Isn't that a bit like saying, Alfred the Great wasn't English, he was an Anglo-Saxon?


Well england sort of didn't exist then. He was, after all, the king of wessex. So, technically, that is true.

Well england sort of didn't exist then. He was, after all, the king of wessex. So, technically, that is true.

You know what. It is one of those things that looks reasonable when written, then completely bonkers when read.