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Okay, let's say, for the sake of discussion in this thread, that when Fitzgerald completes his investigation and the Grand Jury hands out indictments, that Rove and Libby both get tagged, and that Cheney is implicated and has to resign the Vice-Presidency.

Remember, I'm posing this as a potential scenario--I'm not saying it's likely ot anything of the sort. We're way out here in Imaginary-land here, so don't anyone give me the "it'll never happen" bullshit answer okay? :D

So Cheney goes down like Spiro Agnew under Nixon. Who do you tap to replace him? Who does the party turn to to try to restore a little faith in the executive branch? Does Bush try to choose an heir-apparent, someone who will run for the job in '08? Would the Republican Senate approve such a person, since so many Republican Senators have their eyes on a potential run? Do you try to put a moderate in there or throw some red meat to the base? Jeb!? Do you appoint a centrist/moderate Democrat from the Senate who comes from a state with a Republican governor so you can pick up another seat and you can act bi-partisan?

There's fertile ground for speculation here, folks, and I've got no answers--only questions. So let your imaginations run wild (though not too wild--unless you've got a reasonable excuse for how the Philly Phanatic ought to be put into the slot).

He should appoint Kerry, as a sort of no hard feelings gesture.

Newt in 2008!
Appointing him to be VP would just make it easier. As far as going along, the RHINO dominated Congress has done everything else that GWB has asked of them -- Miers not withstanding. Why shouldn't they confirm Gingrich?

Newt in 2008!
Appointing him to be VP would just make it easier. As far as going along, the RHINO dominated Congress has done everything else that GWB has asked of them -- Miers not withstanding. Why shouldn't they confirm Gingrich?
I hadn't really thought about him, but that's potentially doable. The Senate might think he's less of a Presidential threat because of his three marriages and two ugly divorces.

Newt in 2008!
Appointing him to be VP would just make it easier. As far as going along, the RHINO dominated Congress has done everything else that GWB has asked of them -- Miers not withstanding. Why shouldn't they confirm Gingrich?

Enough baggage to fill a 747?

Condie?

Condie?
Another interesting idea, I must say. How badly would the former Dixiecrats shit themselves if that happened?

The GOP Party would probably force Bush to pick an Heir-apparant to his Presidency since Bush is now a lame-duck and the GOP need a leader to manage the madness that America has sunk into.

Perhaps it will be Karl Rove...

I hadn't really thought about him, but that's potentially doable. The Senate might think he's less of a Presidential threat because of his three marriages and two ugly divorces.
Divorce hasn't been much of a factor since Reagan, has it? I think his GoPac activities might be more sinister. But, he's an ideologue. For better or worse, that's something lacking in the Republican party.

Zell Miller would be another choice that would infuriate liberals around the country. He really has retired, though.

Zell Miller would be another choice that would infuriate liberals around the country. He really has retired, though.
Actually, I think if Zell Miller were tapped, liberals would just shrug and say "what a shock." And then do the roll-eye thingy.

When I put the centrist democratic Senator from a state with a Republican governor up there, I was actually thinking of Joe Lieberman--the base would howl, but the Republicans would get another seat in the Senate until 2006, and would be defending as an incumbent in a state where no one is seriously thinking about challenging Lieberman right now.

Divorce hasn't been much of a factor since Reagan, has it? I think his GoPac activities might be more sinister. But, he's an ideologue. For better or worse, that's something lacking in the Republican party.
Divorce itself isn't that big a deal--three of them might be, especially when you toss in the "serving papers on his wife in the recovery room" bit.

Edit: Sorry, two divorces, three wives, one of whom was a former staffer.

Colorado governor Bill Owens...his term is up next year so he'll be out of a job plus he's somewhat popular and fancies himself future presidential material.

or maybe Mit Romney?

Actually, I think if Zell Miller were tapped, liberals would just shrug and say "what a shock." And then do the roll-eye thingy.

When I put the centrist democratic Senator from a state with a Republican governor up there, I was actually thinking of Joe Lieberman--the base would howl, but the Republicans would get another seat in the Senate until 2006, and would be defending as an incumbent in a state where no one is seriously thinking about challenging Lieberman right now.
I see what you're saying. That would be a bold move, but too transparent. I don't think it would help Lieberman in any future run, nor do I think he wants out of the Senate without some incentive.

Then there's still the fact that Lieberman would be President if GWB were to become incapacitated. I don't think the poor excuses for Republican Congressmen that we have are quite ready to hand over control of the government to the other side.

Realistically, someone like Newt might be just the ticket. When a guy has to resign a seat that he was re-elected to with a landslide, he's not too popular. I don't think a sitting Senator will take the offer. Bush has about as much appeal right now as Clinton did. He'll be more help to a VP running for President by staying home.

No one gets appointed to replace Cheney if Cheney had to resign.

No one gets appointed to replace Cheney if Cheney had to resign.

So you're saying the nation would operate without a VP?

I would go with Condi. GW would go with a buddy. Since he's at 2% with blacks it would change that to 98%. Double his current poll ratings. Condi could run in 08. Taking the black vote form the Dems would lower their base from 45% to 20%. The Reps would lose a few southern whites but probably not enough to make up for all the black votes that would be gained. The Reps may reduce their base from 45% to 35% but gain 25% with the new black vote..

They'll apoint me, and my fellow agent will be waiting in the wings, ready to shoot the president the moment he announces my appointment. At this point I will come to my feet, and pick up the slain corpse of the man, rallying into a great speech about the strength of this nation.
Then I'll invade Portugal because, lets face it, their Spain's Canada and we Americans are jealous creatures so no one gets a Canada but us. I'll also force Canada to officially rename itself America's Hat. If they refuse then I'll invade the country, and refuse to cease hostilities until they sign the Treaty of Versailles, Kentucky, the main bullet points of which are that they rename themselves America's Hat and take back Celine Dion and all evidence of her existence in the U.S.

The most politically correct and useful choice would obviously be Senator John McCain. He is a smart guy, a war hero, and he is respected on both sides of the aisle for thinking through problems on a case-by-case basis and not simply relying on party doctrine. Another very strong choice would be Senator Arlen Specter. However, knowing our president it would be a fellow neo-con - possibly Frist to get him out of trouble - but I wouldn't rule out another idiot (err...I mean far-right ahh...activist) like Bolton. Another boneheaded choice, yet one that cannot be ruled out entirely, would be to put Jeb Bush in and set him up for a shot at the Presidency in 2008.

No one gets appointed to replace Cheney if Cheney had to resign.
Like Gymoor, I wonder whether you mean that the US would operate without a VP (making Dennis Hastert the next in the succession, or potentially Nancy Pelosi if the Dems were to retake the House in 2006) or if you just don't know that the VP would be replaced in the event of his resignation.

So you're saying the nation would operate without a VP?

Its happened before.

Like Gymoor, I wonder whether you mean that the US would operate without a VP (making Dennis Hastert the next in the succession, or potentially Nancy Pelosi if the Dems were to retake the House in 2006) or if you just don't know that the VP would be replaced in the event of his resignation.

The Vice President has to be appointed by the President of the United States. When Nixon's first VP Agnew resigned in 1973, Gerald Ford was appointed by Nixon.

When Andrew Johnson took over as President, he didn't appoint a Vice President. Under his administration, there was no 2nd in command and he has the dubious honor of being the 1st President to ever be impeached.

Ok Granted, he wasn't president and had his Vice President resign but if you look through out our history, you can see that we have had times when the V.P. took over and didn't appoint a 2nd in command.

The President doesn't have to appoint a VP if the VP up and resigns. Unless of course you want to take a literal meaning of the Constitution Amendment 25 section 2:

Section 2
Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress

But this does raise one question: Even under this amendment, is the President obligated to appoint a V.P.?

Based on what I see in Amendment 25 Section 2, the President is indeed obligated to nominate a VP, and that nomination would be subject to all the infighting that comes along with any other nomination, and worse, because it would have to go through both Houses for approval.

Still, that doesn't answer the question for the thread, which is, who do you think Bush would appoint in such a situation?

Based on what I see in Amendment 25 Section 2, the President is indeed obligated to nominate a VP, and that nomination would be subject to all the infighting that comes along with any other nomination, and worse, because it would have to go through both Houses for approval.

It is subjective but Nazz, I would intend to agree with you for once.

Still, that doesn't answer the question for the thread, which is, who do you think Bush would appoint in such a situation?

How about the Speaker of the House if the Republicans still hold a majority. If they don't then my guess would be the House Minority leader (again if a republican)

The President doesn't have to appoint a VP if the VP up and resigns. Unless of course you want to take a literal meaning of the Constitution Amendment 25 section 2:

Section 2
Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress

But this does raise one question: Even under this amendment, is the President obligated to appoint a V.P.?

Yes, this obligates the president to appoint a VP -- it explicitly states "the President shall" not "the President may." May and Shall make all the difference in the word.

Yes, this obligates the president to appoint a VP -- it explicitly states "the President shall" not "the President may." May and Shall make all the difference in the word.

As I said, it all depends on interpretation but that is something for the Constitutional Lawyers to argue and I'm going to leave that to them.

Hmn... To appeal to the majority, he ought to have Condi Rice in there. It would reinforce that women can get up to the top of the hierarchy and that the country is on the right track about equality; liberties and freedom. Or... at least find an equally as qualified woman. Something that says that they aren't going to be one of the last countries to have a woman president.

Condi Rice would be a good choice for the black/female thing (although I don't think she's competent to be president, in case). Lieberman would be a good choice to diffuse the partisan issue (although I also don't think he's competent to be president, either; and, frankly, I think he's as loyal to the Dem party as Bush is). But if either of them is chosen, it would not be as heir apparent because the US is still not ready for a female or Jewish president. (On that point, Lieberman would probably refuse the job.)

Gingrich actually would be a good choice, only -- believe it or not -- he's extremely critical of Bush. I don't think he'd take the job unless there was a killer pay-off for him -- not the presidency. I don't think he wants it.

John McCain would be the ideal choice, but I don't think Bush wants him. I don't think McCain would take it unless it was as heir apparent and he is allowed to be seen to be taking an active leadership role (using the VP job to advance his campaign), and Bush doesn't like to share that spotlight. Anyway, I'm not sure if McCain is that cynical. He might be.

Zell Miller would not be a good choice because, while the Dems might just roll their eyes, it's also likely they can paint him as a disloyal, hysterical, flip-flopping idealogue -- fuel for negative campaign ads against the Republicans.

Frist and Romney would only just love to be VP. Pathetic little twerps. Either of them might get it, though. Just the kind of self-serving little toadies Bush seems to like.

It's not clear to me who the Republicans want to be the next candidate, so Bush might just promote a current cabinet member for the remainder of his term without really caring who.

Gonzales is another choice. He seems to like Gonzales (because he says it's okay to torture people?).

Condi Rice would be a good choice for the black/female thing (although I don't think she's competent to be president, in case).


Why do you think she wouldn't be competent to be President? She's certainly better than Bush, Kerry, Dean, or anyone else who ran the last time around.

Considering the two guys who ran for President last time couldn't have a debate without extensive coaching and knowing the topics and questions in advance...

At least she wasn't a member of Skull and Bones Frat.

Yes, she's religious. But she doesn't wear it on her sleeve. Nor is it faked, as some candidates for President have done.

I recall a Dean moment.

Asked his favorite New Testament book, Dr. Dean named Job, adding: "But I don't like the way it ends." "Some would argue, you know, in some of the books of the New Testament, the ending of the Book of Job is different," he said. "I think, if I'm not mistaken, there's one book where there's a more optimistic ending, which we believe was tacked on later."

Job, the Old Testament story of a righteous man who suffers hardships as a test of his faith, ends with the Lord restoring his fortunes and the protagonist living to be "an old man, and full of days." Some scholars have posited that the original ending may have been more dour.

Condi Rice would be a good choice for the black/female thing (although I don't think she's competent to be president, in case). Lieberman would be a good choice to diffuse the partisan issue (although I also don't think he's competent to be president, either; and, frankly, I think he's as loyal to the Dem party as Bush is). But if either of them is chosen, it would not be as heir apparent because the US is still not ready for a female or Jewish president. (On that point, Lieberman would probably refuse the job.)

Gingrich actually would be a good choice, only -- believe it or not -- he's extremely critical of Bush. I don't think he'd take the job unless there was a killer pay-off for him -- not the presidency. I don't think he wants it.

John McCain would be the ideal choice, but I don't think Bush wants him. I don't think McCain would take it unless it was as heir apparent and he is allowed to be seen to be taking an active leadership role (using the VP job to advance his campaign), and Bush doesn't like to share that spotlight. Anyway, I'm not sure if McCain is that cynical. He might be.

Zell Miller would not be a good choice because, while the Dems might just roll their eyes, it's also likely they can paint him as a disloyal, hysterical, flip-flopping idealogue -- fuel for negative campaign ads against the Republicans.

Frist and Romney would only just love to be VP. Pathetic little twerps. Either of them might get it, though. Just the kind of self-serving little toadies Bush seems to like.

It's not clear to me who the Republicans want to be the next candidate, so Bush might just promote a current cabinet member for the remainder of his term without really caring who.

Gonzales is another choice. He seems to like Gonzales (because he says it's okay to torture people?).
That's what I'm talking about as far as speculation is concerned. :)

The way I figure it, you can't have anyone who's even thinking about running in 2008, because that gives them leverage in the primaries, so you can ace out Frist, Brownback, Jeb!, McCain and Gingrich (he hasn't announced, but he's said he's considering it). You also can forget about any Republican Senator who is from a state with a Democratic governor, since the governor gets to appoint the replacement for the remainder of the term, and Senate seats are too hard to come by to just give one up like that.

Promoting from within the executive if possible, as long as there's no linkage to the Rove/Libby scandal, which is what makes Rice an interesting candidate. You've got to figure that the other potential '08 candidates don't consider her a threat in the primaries even if she does run--she wouldn't make it out of South Carolina as a candidate, assuming her campaign wasn't firebombed by some old school sons of the south.

The one that would make Democratic heads explode would be Lieberman, but like you, I don't think he'd take the job if it were offered, because he knows his time as a politician would end in 2008. He'd never be accepted by the Republican establishment, and he'd be disdained by the Democrats. You think we hate Zell Miller? Imagine what we'd do to Lieberman.

A surer bet might be to pick someone from the House--that's where Ford came from, and that gives you a lot more options. You can grab someone from a safe district, perhaps with a lot less baggage (so they'd have to be distant from DeLay & Co.), someone like Chris Shays from Connecticut.

To paraphrase Douglas Adams, anyone capable of being elected president should under no circumstances be allowed to have the job.

To paraphrase Douglas Adams, anyone capable of being elected president should under no circumstances be allowed to have the job.
What about someone capable of being appointed vice-president? Should he have the job?

I'd see Bush appointing fawking Rummy for the extreme or as a more likely semi-moderate person like Frist as Vp...I also want to See Frist get on board with mccain or guiliani for '08 vs a obama and edwards...that'd be a great race.:D

They'll apoint me, and my fellow agent will be waiting in the wings, ready to shoot the president the moment he announces my appointment. At this point I will come to my feet, and pick up the slain corpse of the man, rallying into a great speech about the strength of this nation.
Then I'll invade Portugal because, lets face it, their Spain's Canada and we Americans are jealous creatures so no one gets a Canada but us. I'll also force Canada to officially rename itself America's Hat. If they refuse then I'll invade the country, and refuse to cease hostilities until they sign the Treaty of Versailles, Kentucky, the main bullet points of which are that they rename themselves America's Hat and take back Celine Dion and all evidence of her existence in the U.S.

You, my friend, need to run for the White House. With a platform like that, you couldn't lose!

I'd bank on Bush picking Condi in this situation, but I wouldn't rule out Rudy Giuliani.

What about someone capable of being appointed vice-president? Should he have the job?

You can have the job as long as you can demonstrate that you don't want it.

Why do you think she wouldn't be competent to be President? <snip>
I just don't like her. :D

EDIT: Actually, that was too glib. I don't like her because she's too much an apparatchik of the neo-con machine. Which isn't much less glib, but at least it contains the word "because."

I just don't like her. :D

EDIT: Actually, that was too glib. I don't like her because she's too much an apparatchik of the neo-con machine. Which isn't much less glib, but at least it contains the word "because."
I kind of work with the thesis that anyone Bush picks will be incompetent simply because his track record to date supports that probability, and besides, it's not like Rice has been a shining example of competence while NSA or Secretary of State. I'll give her this much--she hasn't done as bad a job as SecState as she did as NSA (August 6th PDB anyone?), but that doesn't mean she's ready to ascend to the VP slot.

That's what I'm talking about as far as speculation is concerned. :)

The way I figure it, you can't have anyone who's even thinking about running in 2008, because that gives them leverage in the primaries, so you can ace out Frist, Brownback, Jeb!, McCain and Gingrich (he hasn't announced, but he's said he's considering it). You also can forget about any Republican Senator who is from a state with a Democratic governor, since the governor gets to appoint the replacement for the remainder of the term, and Senate seats are too hard to come by to just give one up like that.

Promoting from within the executive if possible, as long as there's no linkage to the Rove/Libby scandal, which is what makes Rice an interesting candidate. You've got to figure that the other potential '08 candidates don't consider her a threat in the primaries even if she does run--she wouldn't make it out of South Carolina as a candidate, assuming her campaign wasn't firebombed by some old school sons of the south.

The one that would make Democratic heads explode would be Lieberman, but like you, I don't think he'd take the job if it were offered, because he knows his time as a politician would end in 2008. He'd never be accepted by the Republican establishment, and he'd be disdained by the Democrats. You think we hate Zell Miller? Imagine what we'd do to Lieberman.

A surer bet might be to pick someone from the House--that's where Ford came from, and that gives you a lot more options. You can grab someone from a safe district, perhaps with a lot less baggage (so they'd have to be distant from DeLay & Co.), someone like Chris Shays from Connecticut.
Heh, heh, you should hear me on the subject of yetis. ;)

I had forgotten about the House. I guess it all depends on what the actual job of the Vice President is going to be (aside from what's in the job description), and also who is really making that decision (aside from what it says in the Constitution).

If the VP is going to be the heir apparent -- i.e. next Republican candidate -- then the choice will tell us whether Bush, the Republican party, or the backroom neo-cons are really in charge. An idealogue would be a bad choice made by neo-cons (if Rove is indicted, they may lose this influence).

If a moderate or conservative Republican from the House or Senate, or a former governor, is chosen, then the party is in charge and is making the decision based on what will not only do well in a presidential election but also not harm upcoming Congressional elections.

If Bush is left to make the decision (i.e. if he is really in charge, or if the VP is merely a placeholder for the remainder of his term), then I think Bush would choose another Miers, meaning one of his own people whom he likes. In that case, I would put my money on either Rice or Gonzales. Probably Gonzales, as it would be harder to replace Rice as Sec of State for only a partial term. On the other hand, Rice would do even better than Gonzales at winning back minority votes for the party. (So, if the VP is merely a placeholder, and Rice is chosen, then the party might be making that decision, too, as it might help the party's image overall.)

Why would you nix a VP who has presidential hopes of his own? If the right wing of the Republicans are still powerful enough after Rove and DeLay, might they not want to use the Bush popularity to try to get another of their picks into office for a third right wing term (even if not a third Bush term)?

Why would you nix a VP who has presidential hopes of his own? If the right wing of the Republicans are still powerful enough after Rove and DeLay, might they not want to use the Bush popularity to try to get another of their picks into office for a third right wing term (even if not a third Bush term)?
It's not that I would nix them or that the right wing would--it's that I don't think they'd get through the Senate confirmation hearing. Let's say for the sake of argument that Bush chose McCain in order to make himself look better and give an air of respectability back to the executive branch. McCain would then be given a huge leg up on the rest of the Republican presidential hopefuls, especially those in the Senate. Why would Brownback or Frist let that happen? They wouldn't, unless they had a political deathwish. (Plus, the governor of Arizona is a Democrat, so she'd replace McCain with a Democrat--same scenario with Brownback in Kansas, for that matter.)

I kind of work with the thesis that anyone Bush picks will be incompetent simply because his track record to date supports that probability, and besides, it's not like Rice has been a shining example of competence while NSA or Secretary of State. I'll give her this much--she hasn't done as bad a job as SecState as she did as NSA (August 6th PDB anyone?), but that doesn't mean she's ready to ascend to the VP slot.
:D Always a safe working assumption.

I agree, she hasn't been as bad at State as she was in the NSA, but even so, she ain't no Kissinger, and you can take that any and every way you like.

It's not that I would nix them or that the right wing would--it's that I don't think they'd get through the Senate confirmation hearing. Let's say for the sake of argument that Bush chose McCain in order to make himself look better and give an air of respectability back to the executive branch. McCain would then be given a huge leg up on the rest of the Republican presidential hopefuls, especially those in the Senate. Why would Brownback or Frist let that happen? They wouldn't, unless they had a political deathwish. (Plus, the governor of Arizona is a Democrat, so she'd replace McCain with a Democrat--same scenario with Brownback in Kansas, for that matter.)
Yes, good points, but presidential competition could be overcome with political deal making, especially with potential candidates who aren't too old to wait for another turn. And they'll still face the incumbency problem when they declare their own candidacies.

President Jeb Bush 2008?

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Florida Republican Governor Jeb Bush for President 2008.

Jeb Bush is a popular Florida Governor, from Miami Florida,
actually born in Midland Texas, the Cubans like him, oh well
no-one is perfect, he is married to a Mexican, he speaks perfect fluent spanish, his son looks

100 percent hispanic and speaks perfect fluent spanish, that is a good resume in relating to the

hispanic vote.

And Floridas overall unemployment rate is 3.6 percent, one of the lowest in the nation, and

Florida leads other states in job growth.

While I would love to see Jeb Bush win in 2008, I understand the chances of another President

Bush following President George W Bush is not good, and right now it dosent look good, but alot

can change in politics, but dont think I am under any illusions here.

Text is based on a number of diffrent sources, it is very hard to find all the information one

needs with only one source.

I had to put this toghether piece by piece and I had fun with it.

Both sides agreed Jeb Bush and W probably got a majority of the hispanic vote in Florida, (as

did W.) but couldn't agree whether his percentage was in the 50s or 60s.

Republicans have traditionally fared well in Florida because of Gop-leaning Cuban Americans who vote for George and Jeb Bush anywhere from 80 to 90 percent or more,

are now joined by a growing number of Puerto Ricans, and Mexicans.

Florida Governor Jeb Bush is younger, smarter, taller more articulate harder working and better

looking than George W, Jeb Bush will be 55 in 2008 and 63 in 2016, the age his father was

elected President.

Jeb Bush speaks excellent spanish, has a degree in Latin American Studies, a Mexican born wife,

and lots of useful contacts with rich Mexican power brokers.

He did just as well with Florida Mexican Americans who now constitute a good part of the Florida

hispanic population.

As a longtime supporter of Israel, Bush also maintains a significant connection to Florida's

Jewish voters. He was endorsed in his two winning governor races by a national Jewish

publication, and won 44% of the state's Jewish vote in the 2002 governor's race.

Official Results,
Florida Department of State,
Division of Elections.

Nov 03, 1998 general election

Jeb Bush 2,191,105 - 55.27 %
Buddy Mackay 1,773,054 - 44.72 %
Others 282- .01 %
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3,964,441 - 100 %

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Florida Department of State
Division of Elections

Nov 05, 2002 General Election

Jeb Bush 2,856,845 - 56.01 %
Bill McBride 2,201,427 - 43.16 %
Others 42,309 - .83 %
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5,100,581 - 100 %

I would love to see President Jeb Bush 2008.
I think he would make a great President Bush in his own right.

Another scenario, President Bush is forced to resign and President Cheney
appoints Governor Jeb Bush of Florida as Vice President, President Cheney dosent run for president in 2008 because of his health problems, and Jeb
Bush runs for president and wins.

Or President Cheney resigns because of health Problems, President Jeb Bush appoints a Vice President and they run toghether in 2008.

There are a few diffrent scenarios possible here.

Dont think that just because Jeb Bush is another Bush that would make it easy for the democrats in 2008, Jeb Bush could be a good President in his own right, especially if he got a chance to prove himself before 2008.

I really would love to see a President Jeb Bush in 2008 elected.

I'd see Bush appointing fawking Rummy for the extreme or as a more likely semi-moderate person like Frist as Vp...I also want to See Frist get on board with mccain or guiliani for '08 vs a obama and edwards...that'd be a great race.:D

I would love if they appointed Frist V.P., only to see him also get indicted. Two V.P.s being forced to resign in a row would be an impossible to obliterate blot on the honor of the Republicans. Political suicide.

More likely some squeaky clean relative unknown boyscout type will be appointed and he will turn out to be a closet Liberal a la Souter or, better yet, T. Roosevelt.

Condie?
Not a bad idea. Win over a few more blue states and put the Democrats on the backburner for the distant future.

Not a bad idea. Win over a few more blue states and put the Democrats on the backburner for the distant future.
I don't think so. Even if black voters ran for Condi in droves, you'd have an equally large number of racist, redneck republicans (from all over, not just the south) who would go third party or just stay home if she got the nomination (which she wouldn't).

I don't think so. Even if black voters ran for Condi in droves, you'd have an equally large number of racist, redneck republicans (from all over, not just the south) who would go third party or just stay home if she got the nomination (which she wouldn't).

I guess there are no racist, redneck Democrats living in West Virginia?

I guess there are no racist, redneck Democrats living in West Virginia?

They wouldn't vote for Condie either...

I would love if they appointed Frist V.P., only to see him also get indicted. Two V.P.s being forced to resign in a row would be an impossible to obliterate blot on the honor of the Republicans. Political suicide.

More likely some squeaky clean relative unknown boyscout type will be appointed and he will turn out to be a closet Liberal a la Souter or, better yet, T. Roosevelt.
I'd be glued to my television for that show. Woohoo! Get some popcorn! :D

I guess there are no racist, redneck Democrats living in West Virginia?
Sure there are, but they're not likely to be voting in the fucking Republican primary, now are they? :rolleyes:

Zell Miller would be another choice that would infuriate liberals around the country. He really has retired, though.

Please, please, don't throw us Democrats in that briar patch.

Zell's rantings are considered news because he is an anti-Democrat Democrat. As soon as you make him a Republican (or part of a Republican administration), his rantings become your albatross.

Please, please, don't throw us Democrats in that briar patch.

Zell's rantings are considered news because he is an anti-Democrat Democrat. As soon as you make him a Republican (or part of a Republican administration), his rantings become your albatross.
I really like Zell. He was a good Governor and a good Senator. He represented the people of Georgia as well as anyone could. It's really too bad for the Democratic party that they have deviated so far from what's normal and mainstream and in the process made Zell look like the odd one out.

He'd never become a Republican. It just isn't done in that part of the state. Besides, he's retired and last time I asked, glad of it.