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Promise me you won't blame Iraqi citizens if Iraq fails.

they're gonna blame everyone who said from the beginning that Bush shouldn't have started the war

I blame insurgents. whether they're iraqi citizens or not.

I blame insurgents. whether they're iraqi citizens or not.
But we knew that there was going to be an insurgency before the war. And if Iraq DOES end up becoming worse than Hussein, just as reports in the 90's predicted, then how can blame Iraqis?!?!

But we knew that there was going to be an insurgency before the war. And if Iraq DOES end up becoming worse than Hussein, just as reports in the 90's predicted, then how can blame Iraqis?!?!

Because they're terrorists, and terrorists need getting rid of.

I'll probably blame the democrats; specifically the leftist america hating ones, and former CND members.

I'll probably blame the democrats; specifically the leftist america hating ones, and former CND members.
That doesn't make any sense?

That doesn't make any sense?
Making a declaritive statement and then putting a question mark after it doesn't make sense, either?

I blame the French. If they'd gone to Iraq too, the Iraqis would be too busy laughing at them taking naps and running away to do anything else.

Making a declaritive statement and then putting a question mark after it doesn't make sense, either?
Damn right.

Because they're terrorists, and terrorists need getting rid of.
Precisely. It can't possibly be Bush's fault (for invading) or the American army (for not being up to the job) so the blame has to fall on the ignorant terrorist sand niggers who don't know what's good for them. Ann Coulter's probably writing an argument saying as much even as we speak...

Heron, look at it this way. When the Nazis took over France during the second world war (you know, the one America saved Europe from single handed) there was a resistance movement who did a lot of damage to the occupying forces, and provided information for the armies who came in to liberate France later. Until some evidence emerges that Americans would show the same backbone if their country was occupied by hostile forces, leave off the French.

Precisely. It can't possibly be Bush's fault (for invading) or the American army (for not being up to the job) so the blame has to fall on the ignorant terrorist sand niggers who don't know what's good for them. Ann Coulter's probably writing an argument saying as much even as we speak...


Hey, watch the racial slurs. Call them by their proper name...Jawa's. You know, the sand people.

I blame everyone,
Liberals for undermining the anti-war movement with their hysteria and being generally pussy,
Neo-cons for invading in the first place,
Conservatives for going along with the neo-cons,
France, Russia and Germany for undermining the anti-war movement by opposing the war for obvious self-serving reasons,
Iraqis for being generally backward,
Britain, both for sending troops and the undermining of the anti-war movement (see liberals),
Nationalist Republicrats for maintaining an army large enough to unilaterally invade a nation halfway across the world, even after the end of the Cold War
The average American, for not caring at all

Hey, watch the racial slurs. Call them by their proper name...Jawa's. You know, the sand people.
I was merely using the term Bush uses when there are no reporters about. (He can't get his tongue around "savages"...)

wait a minute, the poll is for the conservatives to answer.

im an idiot:headbang:

BTW, I voted no :D

Heron, look at it this way. When the Nazis took over France during the second world war (you know, the one America saved Europe from single handed) there was a resistance movement who did a lot of damage to the occupying forces, and provided information for the armies who came in to liberate France later. Until some evidence emerges that Americans would show the same backbone if their country was occupied by hostile forces, leave off the French.

What is with people listening to me lately. Jeez, guys.

Anyway, single handedly saved us from the Nazi's did you? Right, well, there's a few old spitfire pilots and SEVERAL MILLION DEAD RUSSIANS who want a word with you, shitmunch.

And I'm not american , so I'll lay into the French as much as I like. And the French are welcome to lay into my country as much as they want, too. Welcome to Europe, jackass. History is calling you.

What is with people listening to me lately. Jeez, guys.

Anyway, single handedly saved us from the Nazi's did you? Right, well, there's a few old spitfire pilots and SEVERAL MILLION DEAD RUSSIANS who want a word with you, shitmunch.

And I'm not american , so I'll lay into the French as much as I like. And the French are welcome to lay into my country as much as they want, too. Welcome to Europe, jackass. History is calling you.
My mistake. I thought you were an American and your next line was going to be that "we saved your eurotrash asses from Hitler" crap: for some reason that and Francophobia seem to go together at the moment. Mea culpa.

What is with people listening to me lately. Jeez, guys.

Anyway, single handedly saved us from the Nazi's did you? Right, well, there's a few old spitfire pilots and SEVERAL MILLION DEAD RUSSIANS who want a word with you, shitmunch.
I think that Cahnt was also being sarcastic.
Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle.
Mr Kettle, meet Mr Pot.

I think that Cahnt was also being sarcastic.
Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle.
Mr Kettle, meet Mr Pot.
Well I thought I was. Obviously I wasn't being quite sarcastic enough. One lives and learns.

My mistake. I thought you were an American and your next line was going to be that "we saved your eurotrash asses from Hitler" crap: for some reason that and Francophobia seem to go together at the moment. Mea culpa.

Yay! I feel like a twat! I was damn proud of that flame too. Meh.

I still want to mock the French.

I still want to mock the French.

Hey, I'm with you on that one. Were not those fixed gun implacements along the Maginot line a brilliantly typical French maneuver?

Nationalist Republicrats for maintaining an army large enough to unilaterally invade a nation halfway across the world, even after the end of the Cold War

Given the poor troop levels in Afghanistan and to a lesser extent Iraq, it's plainly obvious that the US Military isn't nearly large enough.

I think that Cahnt was also being sarcastic.
Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle.
Mr Kettle, meet Mr Pot.

Did you just call me black? As an insult? also, which of us is Mr. Pot and when can I start getting stoned?

Yay! I feel like a twat! I was damn proud of that flame too. Meh.

I still want to mock the French.
I'd feel more inclined to mock the French if they hadn't told Bush to fuck off and fight his own war. It'd be nice if Blair had the balls to do that, really.

Given the poor troop levels in Afghanistan and to a lesser extent Iraq, it's plainly obvious that the US Military isn't nearly large enough.
Oh its large enough. It could wipe both those countries off the map if it wanted to.
The point is, it shouldn’t be large enough to even think bout invading another country.

I'd feel more inclined to mock the French if they hadn't told Bush to fuck off and fight his own war. It'd be nice if Blair had the balls to do that, really.

Well, I supported the war (not for the stupid WMD rubbish) so I don't think that way. But whatever, I'm going to go and spam someone else's thread for a while.

Did you just call me black? As an insult? also, which of us is Mr. Pot and when can I start getting stoned?
Nobody is to stone anybody until I blow this whistle — even, and I want to make this absolutely clear, even if they do say, "Jehovah."
Anyway, I believe that you are black as night, and twice as likely to be filled with voices.

On the topic at hand, I will blame the people of Iraq if it ends up worse then before. Saddam wasn't immortal and he made the classical mistake of having more than one heir to the throne, so most likely he would have offed it in a decade or two, and then there would more than likely have been a civil war.
Let me also add on to that, that people are responsible for their government. You can't lead if no one follows, no matter how bad ass your army.

I blame insurgents. whether they're iraqi citizens or not.

This is who I will blame too. I doubt it'll come to this though. The vote was a success and they believed it passed with vast sunni support no less.

Nobody is to stone anybody until I blow this whistle — even, and I want to make this absolutely clear, even if they do say, "Jehovah."
Anyway, I believe that you are black as night, and twice as likely to be filled with voices.


Well, as long as you're not being nasty about it.

Also, hurry up and blow the whistle! These Frenchmn will soon work out that they actually can get through forests!

(hehe, historical jokes 1, frenchmen 0)

What is with people listening to me lately. Jeez, guys.

Anyway, single handedly saved us from the Nazi's did you? Right, well, there's a few old spitfire pilots and SEVERAL MILLION DEAD RUSSIANS who want a word with you, shitmunch.

You also forgot Canadians too :rolleyes:

And I'm not american , so I'll lay into the French as much as I like. And the French are welcome to lay into my country as much as they want, too. Welcome to Europe, jackass. History is calling you.

Hell, I'm not a european but someone who is around 15% french, I'll way lay into them too LOL! :D

Oh its large enough. It could wipe both those countries off the map if it wanted to.
Why do Americans get excited about "wiping them off the map". You can't do that. There will always be people left. There are not enough troops in Afghanistan. If there were, the government's control over the country would be more than tenuous.

Oh its large enough. It could wipe both those countries off the map if it wanted to.
The point is, it shouldn’t be large enough to even think bout invading another country.
I could wipe several countries off the map. Provided that by "the map" you mean my atlas, because I don't think that I have enough white-out for the literal country.

Why do Americans get excited about "wiping them off the map". You can't do that. There will always be people left. There are not enough troops in Afghanistan. If there were, the government's control over the country would be more than tenuous.
I’m hardly excited.
The word you’re looking for is apprehensive, but I guess the confusion is bound to occur when you take a sentence out of context for whatever petty reason.

I blame everyone,
Liberals for undermining the anti-war movement with their hysteria and being generally pussy,
Neo-cons for invading in the first place,
Conservatives for going along with the neo-cons,
France, Russia and Germany for undermining the anti-war movement by opposing the war for obvious self-serving reasons,
Iraqis for being generally backward,
Britain, both for sending troops and the undermining of the anti-war movement (see liberals),
Nationalist Republicrats for maintaining an army large enough to unilaterally invade a nation halfway across the world, even after the end of the Cold War
The average American, for not caring at all
Seconded.

I blame insurgents. whether they're iraqi citizens or not.

Seconded.

I blame everyone,
Liberals for undermining the anti-war movement with their hysteria and being generally pussy,
Neo-cons for invading in the first place,
Conservatives for going along with the neo-cons,
France, Russia and Germany for undermining the anti-war movement by opposing the war for obvious self-serving reasons,
Iraqis for being generally backward,
Britain, both for sending troops and the undermining of the anti-war movement (see liberals),
Nationalist Republicrats for maintaining an army large enough to unilaterally invade a nation halfway across the world, even after the end of the Cold War
The average American, for not caring at allSeconded.Thirded. tho I will also add the Terrorists.

Thirded. tho I will also add the Terrorists.
Yeah, good thought.

Terrorists for blowing up the WTC thus giving the Neo-Cons political ammunition and killing their own people thus undermining the anti-war movement

*shrugs* Depends. What's your definition of Iraq 'failing'?

Ultimately though, I will partly blame the Iraqi citizens if Iraq fails, more specifically the part that attacks our troops and blows up civilians. A lot can be said about a lot of people, but they are the ones who are actually doing their best and trying their hardest to make Iraq 'fail'.

Yeah, good thought.

Terrorists for blowing up the WTC thus giving the Neo-Cons political ammunition and killing their own people thus undermining the anti-war movement
Again; seconded.

However, my defrinition of terrorism is slightly broarder. In fact, I support the American defenition of terrorism, which makes America the worlds premier terrorist nation.

My mistake. I thought you were an American and your next line was going to be that "we saved your eurotrash asses from Hitler" crap: for some reason that and Francophobia seem to go together at the moment. Mea culpa.

Hating France is not the sort of thing you can exclude any particular nationality from. We need to end the bickering and all come together in an international moment of hope and comraderie hating the French.

You know, a while ago I asked three of my conservative friends if they were aware of the number of people that had died in Iraq. All gave estimates between 1,200 - and 2,000: remarkably accurate if I had asked them how many U.S. soldiers had died. However, I asked them how many people had died. Evidently they didn't count the dead Iraqi's as people. Sadly, this about sums up the views of some of the posters here who seem to view all Iraqi's as terrorists and want to "wipe them off the map". Considering that, before we came, there were little if any terrorists in Iraq, I think we can discard this argument on face.

As far as the role of Iraqi civilians in the anti-war movement, I think their only role is inflaming the American public (those of us that do count them as people at least). For a complete count of reported civilian casualties since 2003, refer to
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/. If there are any questions about their credibility, I encourage you to search through their database: after all, that's a lot of people.