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Would you dedicate everything you have to your religion?

I bet not.

http://www.elmundo.es/suplementos/cronica/2005/501/1116712815.html

Read the story of this guy (in spanish) and then think again, when you are talking about creationism and myths like that; or when you deny human rights to homosexuals, if you do it due to your religion, or your hipocricy.

Doing this, is TO HAVE FAITH. Denying facts and forbidding rights, is NOT.

Other links:

http://www.areaturistica.com/fot_muestraimagen.php?pid=9560
http://www.portobellostreet.es/articulo9.htm

I believe myself a seer.

Oops, sorry. I misread the headline.

Could we have either a full translation or a brief summary of the article in English?

I don't know about everyone else, but I am myself a petty American monolinguist. :(

I am a believer in grammar. All hail! All hail!

Very very briefly, is the history of a man who sold everything he had (and he was rich) and destined all his time and money to build a CATHEDRAL by his own.

He begun 44 years ago, and nowadays there are left only some towers.

He accepts any help the visitors and neighbours give him; whatever it is bricks or hands. "Aquarius" based its advertising campaign in Spain in this man.

Today thousands of people have visited the Cathedral.

For those who see theirselves as believers?

Let me tell you something, I believe in grammar, and I believe in not sounding like a fscking idiot when you want to patronize other people's beliefs.

Would you dedicate everything you have to your religion?


I wouldn't donate everything I have to any 'religion' but if I felt that God wanted me to give everything I had for His good work, sure I would.

I am not devoted to my church, I am devoted to God.

For those who see theirselves as believers?

Let me tell you something, I believe in grammar, and I believe in not sounding like a fscking idiot when you want to patronize other people's beliefs.

fscking? I can't even work out how you turned fucking in to that.

Very very briefly, is the history of a man who sold everything he had (and he was rich) and destined all his time and money to build a CATHEDRAL by his own.

He begun 44 years ago, and nowadays there are left only some towers.

He accepts any help the visitors and neighbours give him; whatever it is bricks or hands. "Aquarius" based its advertising campaign in Spain in this man.

Today thousands of people have visited the Cathedral.

If the cathedral is truly serving people in the name of God, then it's very admirable.

But you say there are only some towers left. What happened?

Was this community in demand of a cathedral?

And everyone, lay off the grammar attacks, eh? I can hardly type a lick of Spanish or any other language myself; at least this fellow is succeeding in being understood.

For those who see theirselves as believers?

Let me tell you something, I believe in grammar, and I believe in not sounding like a fscking idiot when you want to patronize other people's beliefs.

There is a difference between a real believer and a wannabe believer... and I stated it in the first post.
Yo may believe in grammar, but I hope people is able to understand that since I'm not English native speaker I may have some faults, and not sound like an idiot saying "huh, strangers don't speak our language properly, so they're ****ing idiots".

And now, to Smunkeeville: What you are saying is the same this guy did. He wanted to be monk but for some reason the Conference didn't accept him, so he began his work as a challenge thinking that the important thing was not the organized religion, but the force that God could give him if he devoted his life to God.

So his work sounds like a sacrifice.

If the cathedral is truly serving people in the name of God, then it's very admirable.

But you say there are only some towers left. What happened?

Was this community in demand of a cathedral?

And everyone, lay off the grammar attacks, eh? I can hardly type a lick of Spanish or any other language myself; at least this fellow is succeeding in being understood.

About the towers' affaire; he is still working in it (he hadn't enough time).

And if the community demande a cathedral, I'm not sure, but I guess not; as I posted above. Also note that Mejorada del Campo is a too small village to deserve such a huge Temple.

About the towers' affaire; he is still working in it (he hadn't enough time).

And if the community demande a cathedral, I'm not sure, but I guess not; as I posted above. Also note that Mejorada del Campo is a too small village to deserve such a huge Temple.

If that's the case, then maybe he should have built something smaller.

It's admirable that he gave up so much for the cause, but maybe his cause would have been better served if he'd been more frugal.

If that's the case, then maybe he should have built something smaller.

It's admirable that he gave up so much for the cause, but maybe his cause would have been better served if he'd been more frugal.

As the phrase says: "People likes him and people dislikes him; but nobody stays indifferent".

Whatever; I think that if he wanted to challenge himself, he has done a good work!

And everyone, lay off the grammar attacks, eh? I can hardly type a lick of Spanish or any other language myself; at least this fellow is succeeding in being understood.

We're helpers.

Would you dedicate everything you have to your religion?

I bet not.
Well, you may not bet so, but then again, you don't know me, do you?
Read the story of this guy (in spanish) and then think again, when you are talking about creationism and myths like that; or when you deny human rights to homosexuals, if you do it due to your religion, or your hipocricy.
Oh sure, it's us Christians that are all aout oppressing the masses. Certainly nobody is up to this except us. What an amazing show of tolerance you're now teaching us :rolleyes:
Doing this, is TO HAVE FAITH. Denying facts and forbidding rights, is NOT.
Hmmm. Call me crazy, but in my specific branch of the woods, faith, for the run-of-the-mill Catholic, is not limited simply to giving away your wordly possessions and building a Cathedral (which, technically, it wasn't unless there was a Bishop or Cardinal there, but that's not too important anyway). Faith is more of a personal matter between a believer and God than something for you to attempt to correct us upon. Furthermore -- whether or not we consider ourselves 'believers' has NOTHING to do with whether or not we'll donate everything we have for an unrealistic cause that really was quite poorly planned, whatever the intentions.

Also note that Mejorada del Campo is a too small village to deserve such a huge Temple.
So now the size of the temple that the people deserve is determined simply by the size of the village? Well crap, I'm sorry, my city seems to have gone far beyond our capabilities and limitations when you take that into account. We must simply not deserve the historical churches and our Cathedral, at least not up until the point that folks from the neighboring cities began attending our services. I thought it was more important that the people simply build within their means, not based on how many worshipers are available ('course, not even the means seemed to be taken into account on this one).

I appreciate the sentiment behind the post, but I'm overall both underwhelmed and annoyed by this.

I wouldn't be so quick to judge the guy. I can't see into his heart. I don't know if he is doing it because God told him to or just because he felt like it. It's a slightly different situation but the way some of you are reacting reminds me a little bit of the story of Jesus being anointed at Bethany

6While Jesus was in Bethany in the home of a man known as Simon the Leper, 7a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, which she poured on his head as he was reclining at the table.

8When the disciples saw this, they were indignant. "Why this waste?" they asked. 9"This perfume could have been sold at a high price and the money given to the poor."

10Aware of this, Jesus said to them, "Why are you bothering this woman? She has done a beautiful thing to me. 11The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me. 12When she poured this perfume on my body, she did it to prepare me for burial. 13I tell you the truth, wherever this gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her." NIV

If its being done for God then I don't think it matters if it is the most effective use of resources. Besides there are worse things he could be doing with his time and money.

There is a difference between a real believer and a wannabe believer... and I stated it in the first post.
Yo may believe in grammar, but I hope people is able to understand that since I'm not English native speaker I may have some faults, and not sound like an idiot saying "huh, strangers don't speak our language properly, so they're ****ing idiots".That's great, except that I'm not a native speaker of English, nor have I ever lived in an English-speaking country for any extended period. I taught myself to speak English, and if I could do it then I certainly can expect the same thing of others.

You adressed a question for people who see themselves as believers and I certainly see myself in a believer in enlightened discourse with other people. However, such discourse is impossible with people who cannot formulate a proper sentence in the language of their own choice.