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I'm not sure why, but the people there decided to go insane. There was an attempted Nazi march or something, and they turned to riots. Oh, yeah, there's an 8P.M. curfew for the city.

I'll dig up a web link if I need to.

I'll dig up a web link if I need to.

better start digging then:mad:

Cool! Did any of the rioters think to loot me something nice this time?

Okay, then.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/10/15/nazi.march/index.html

So a neo-Nazi group is doing a march against black crime in a black area of town. The socialist group is protesting the march against black crime. The socialist group hands out eggs for the locals to throw at the neo-Nazi group. Then the locals riot. It should also be noted that no neo-Nazis were arrested because they didn't do anything wrong. What is wrong here?

Cool! Did any of the rioters think to loot me something nice this time?
I doubt it. All anyone ever thinks to loot for me are wooly socks. What the Hell, man? People were grabbing big screen T.V.s and submachineguns, and all you think to get for me is more wooly socks. My feet feel just fine, dude, I think that the 3 crates you stole for me during the looting in Iraq were just about enough wooly socks to last me for a few decades.

interesting that the ones PROTESTING the American Nazi Party were the ones Rioting...

and that the spokesman is named WHITE.

Guy 1: "Hey, how can we stick it to these Nazis protesting "black crime?""
Guy 2: "Oh I know! Let's riot!"
Guy 1: "Brilliant!"

Guy 1: "Hey, how can we stick it to these Nazis protesting "black crime?""
Guy 2: "Oh I know! Let's riot!"
Guy 1: "Brilliant!"
The "Brilliant" at the end reminds me of the two guys in those Guiness stout commericals.

I actually have to support the Neo-Nazis in this case. Seems that they were right...

What would Sgt. Klinger think? :(

Before we go on, who names a city "Toledo"?

Hungarians

Before we go on, who names a city "Toledo"?

The question you should be asking is "Who fights over a city named Toledo??" and the answer to that is Ohio and Michigan.

I agree with colodia that "Toledo" is a stupid name for a city.
Anyway, It was besh who wanted to give the rally. was it not?

Before I begin, it should be noted that I am NOT rascist, and I don't like Nazis. That being said, the black rioters did EXCACTLY what the Nazis wanted them to do! They looked like a bunch of mentally deficient retards, trashing their OWN town! The Nazis made their point, and didn't even need to march!

What I think we have here is a failure by the elders in the black community to put some kids over their knee more often before they grow up to be gang members. And thehigh rate of fatherless children doesn't help either.

This is a growing problem in the black community that only they (blacks) can fix. Until they do, you'll haveNazis satnding of to the side poking them with sticks, and laughing when they all get arrested. (no, I'M not laughing)

BTW, does anyone notice how this took all the ehadlines from the Millions More march in D.C. today? You think the Nazis planned it for today by coincidence?

Maybe you're not laughing, but I am XD

Maybe you're not laughing, but I am XD
The reason I'm not laughing is because I don't ever want it to happen in my town, because I'd shoot the first person, black or white, to come near my property, and probably go to jail for a hate crime, because the court is screwed up like that. (aren't all violent crimes "hate" crimes?)

Well at least the NG isn't far

The 323rd MP co out of Toledo is the state QRF.

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: Well at least the NG isn't far

The 323rd MP co out of Toledo is the state QRF.

Before we go on, who names a city "Toledo"?

Spaniards.

What would Sgt. Klinger think? :(
He'd wonder how he got the promotion.
Before we go on, who names a city "Toledo"?
Spaniards.
Dang it I hate being too slow for these things.:p

I don't have any sympathy for rioters. Police should have found some way to arrest more of them.

"Hey guys, how do we handle these Nazis? "
"Let's burn down our own town!"

yes yes, they have won a great victory against we national socialists. we are unlikely to return to their burned out ruins anytime soon... its like in vietnam, sometimes you have to destroy a small ohio city inorder to save it, i understand completely. we certainly won't want to do that again, cuz the destuction of racial mixed and minority neighborhoods by crazed african american youth makes us very very sad.

It took only 20 Neo Nazi 's to get them to burn down there own shit..whats wrong with this picture ? Look at TV you see a bunch of black people burning looting and rioting..attacking an ambulence with rocks and bottles and generally acting like third world buffoons . Could 20 Nazi's ever get a better return on their money ? They walked into town and strayed for about 20 minutes . You think they got a message accross ?

It took only 20 Neo Nazi 's to get them to burn down there own shit..whats wrong with this picture ? Look at TV you see a bunch of black people burning looting and rioting..attacking an ambulence with rocks and bottles and generally acting like third world buffoons . Could 20 Nazi's ever get a better return on their money ? They walked into town and strayed for about 20 minutes . You think they got a message accross ?
this may not be as bloody as greensboro, but its one of the greatest white power march victories since then. all those fizzled provocations, and those boring rallies with crowds chanting hippy slogans, its all worth it, if we can just get this to happened every once in a while.

About myself, I am not a racist nor a wacko neo-nazi. here my opinion:

Crimes in Toledo mainly come from the gangs. Yes they're African-Americans, yes they're in below poverty line, yes they have not been brought up well by their parents and elders, and yes they made a bad impression of the black community. These are the people who need help and they needed now.

Then here becomes the NSM, otherwise they called themselves America's Nazi Party. Yes they're white, yes they're rich, yes they're a total idiot, and yes they made a bad impression of Americans as a whole. They planned to march in Toledo to protest that "blacks did this", "blacks did that", "blacks are criminals", and "blacks are bad". This infuriated the black people, the black community, and of course, the gangs. Both sides are protesting each other that eventually escalate to rioting.

I'm placing my blame on the Nazi groups, their action is totally UNNECESSARY. They are here to turn a fire into a massive inferno. My question is: Why do the American gov't let those racist groups exist???

This post is not meant be a flamebait or a troll.

About myself, I am not a racist nor a wacko neo-nazi. here my opinion:

Crimes in Toledo mainly come from the gangs. Yes they're African-Americans, yes they're in below poverty line, yes they have not been brought up well by their parents and elders, and yes they made a bad impression of the black community. These are the people who need help and they needed now.

Then here becomes the NSM, otherwise they called themselves America's Nazi Party. Yes they're white, yes they're rich, yes they're a total idiot, and yes they made a bad impression of Americans as a whole. They planned to march in Toledo to protest that "blacks did this", "blacks did that", "blacks are criminals", and "blacks are bad". This infuriated the black people, the black community, and of course, the gangs. Both sides are protesting each other that eventually escalate to rioting.

I'm placing my blame on the Nazi groups, their action is totally UNNECESSARY. They are here to turn a fire into a massive inferno. My question is: Why do the American gov't let those racist groups exist???




This post is not meant be a flamebait or a troll.well the american nazi aren't generally rich, they tend to be drawn from working class and poor whites. wealthy whites haven't openly sided with white nationalist since the late 50s or early 60s.


how was the nazi rally a provocation for the blacks to loot and burn their own neighborhood?

how can you claim not to be racist and yet think so little of the intelligence of african americans that you think they are not responsible for their own action, but instead the nazis are at fault for making them mad by showing up?

Well, Nazi-Marches of all kinds are a provocation. It's just like those Orange Guys marching through Catholic areas in Belfast.

At any rate, being an Antifa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa)-Sympathiser, if I see a Neo-Nazi on the road, I run him over.

Dont let any of these Nazi-shitheads fool you.

This kind of response is exactly what they hoped for when they came to Toledo.

They want all the attention they can get for thier sad, dying little cult, and they love it when groups like this cause such a fuss, they can sit back and pretend to be the ones victimized.

You people bought into it.

You march a group of neo-nazi shitheads into a low-rent prominently black neighborhood, and what the hell do you think is going to happen?

They know, and you know it.

The more attention you give them..the better they like it.
after all, thats what this was all about.

About myself, I am not a racist nor a wacko neo-nazi. here my opinion:

Crimes in Toledo mainly come from the gangs. Yes they're African-Americans, yes they're in below poverty line, yes they have not been brought up well by their parents and elders, and yes they made a bad impression of the black community. These are the people who need help and they needed now.

Then here becomes the NSM, otherwise they called themselves America's Nazi Party. Yes they're white, yes they're rich, yes they're a total idiot, and yes they made a bad impression of Americans as a whole. They planned to march in Toledo to protest that "blacks did this", "blacks did that", "blacks are criminals", and "blacks are bad". This infuriated the black people, the black community, and of course, the gangs. Both sides are protesting each other that eventually escalate to rioting.

I'm placing my blame on the Nazi groups, their action is totally UNNECESSARY. They are here to turn a fire into a massive inferno. My question is: Why do the American gov't let those racist groups exist???

This post is not meant be a flamebait or a troll.


Anyone can protest peacefully - which the neo-Nazis did. It's called the First Amendment.

Unlike certain countries, when people protest, we don't call out the tanks and machinegun people in the streets.

The usual effect of neo-Nazi protesting (as an example, in Toledo some years before) is that people IGNORE the trolls. Life goes on, and no one is the worse.

This time, apparently the locals were not only angry at the neo-Nazis, but encouraged to riot by outside parties.

Rioting is not protected by the First Amendment. It's also pretty stupid to destroy your own neighborhood, or to look like barbaric idiots.

1. Toledo - I believe it's actually a native american name, we have tons of cities, rivers and etc. in ohio still called by their native american names.
2. these people are white supremesists plain and simple - you know it's sad when they're using the word "nazi" to try to legitimise themselves.
3. by all means the rioters need to be arrested, BUT i believe the marching idiots should be charged as well, for "incitement to riot" (which is also illegal).

3. by all means the rioters need to be arrested, BUT i believe the marching idiots should be charged as well, for "incitement to riot" (which is also illegal).

It would have been incitement to say "Get out there and start rioting", what the socialists did was a provocation, and that is not illegal.

I don't like these socialist arsewipes, not least because their bloody website has a flash animation before the main page, but they were exercising their rights peacefully.

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:


Ohio Army National Guard
323rd Military Police Company, 437th Military Police Battalion, 73rd Troop Command.

The 323 currently is the State Quick Reaction Force on a 4 hour notice(the plan is that after the call goes out, the unit is ready to respond to any situation within 4 hours, not counting travel time)

And one of the things we are trained in as Military Police is Riot Control

A curfew, eh? Unlucky, we never have a curfew when there are riots here.

A curfew, eh? Unlucky, we never have a curfew when there are riots here.

That's because in NI riots are considered performance art, and are therefore not necessarily something to get all worked up over.

My question is: Why do the American gov't let those racist groups exist???

Because it is central to our rights that we allow all groups to speak their opinions. You cannot limit free speech, to do so would be horribly detrimental to our nation. Europeans don't understand this since "hate speech" is generally illegal in their nations. Americans allow hate speech, but preserve the right to respond with their own words.

That's because in NI riots are considered performance art, and are therefore not necessarily something to get all worked up over.
Aye, that's true.."There's another riot? Oh, well. Hope the buses aren't off. Did you watch the match last night?"

Nazis:1
Toldeo: 0

If you're going to make a statement without having to say anything, this is a good example of how to do it. Besides, it's not like you are going to get a hurricane to roll through Ohio to expose the facade of societal order.

I'd rather not be agreeing with nazis, but it does seem that they made their point loud and clear.

Dont let any of these Nazi-shitheads fool you.

This kind of response is exactly what they hoped for when they came to Toledo.

They want all the attention they can get for thier sad, dying little cult, and they love it when groups like this cause such a fuss, they can sit back and pretend to be the ones victimized.

You people bought into it.

You march a group of neo-nazi shitheads into a low-rent prominently black neighborhood, and what the hell do you think is going to happen?

They know, and you know it.

The more attention you give them..the better they like it.
after all, thats what this was all about.

And the people played right into the Nazis' hands. They are marchnig to protest black crime and what breaks out? Riots. That sure proved those Nazis wrong.

Well, Nazi-Marches of all kinds are a provocation. It's just like those Orange Guys marching through Catholic areas in Belfast.

At any rate, being an Antifa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa)-Sympathiser, if I see a Neo-Nazi on the road, I run him over.
there are some ties or at least association between ulster protestant paramilitaries and british neo nazis.

I actually have to support the Neo-Nazis in this case. Seems that they were right...:p

So a neo-Nazi group is doing a march against black crime in a black area of town. The socialist group is protesting the march against black crime. The socialist group hands out eggs for the locals to throw at the neo-Nazi group. Then the locals riot. It should also be noted that no neo-Nazis were arrested because they didn't do anything wrong. What is wrong here?
nothing is wrong its not our fault the cops didnt listen to us and changed palns at the last second

What realy happend in Toledo (http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=8527)

Before I begin, it should be noted that I am NOT rascist, and I don't like Nazis. That being said, the black rioters did EXCACTLY what the Nazis wanted them to do! They looked like a bunch of mentally deficient retards, trashing their OWN town! The Nazis made their point, and didn't even need to march!

What I think we have here is a failure by the elders in the black community to put some kids over their knee more often before they grow up to be gang members. And thehigh rate of fatherless children doesn't help either.

This is a growing problem in the black community that only they (blacks) can fix. Until they do, you'll haveNazis satnding of to the side poking them with sticks, and laughing when they all get arrested. (no, I'M not laughing)

BTW, does anyone notice how this took all the ehadlines from the Millions More march in D.C. today? You think the Nazis planned it for today by coincidence?
we did not get what we wantedwe wanted to march, this was not a "black" community but a historicly polish community into which a large amount of welfair cases have been moved in, and as for the millions more march yes it was a coincidence no one even noticed unitll friday morning

I don't have any sympathy for rioters. Police should have found some way to arrest more of them.
114 arrests were made, a bit of history, the mayor cut the police force and also disbanded the anti gang task force a while back, he also was claiming the toledo had no gangs at one point last week

About myself, I am not a racist nor a wacko neo-nazi. here my opinion:

Crimes in Toledo mainly come from the gangs. Yes they're African-Americans, yes they're in below poverty line, yes they have not been brought up well by their parents and elders, and yes they made a bad impression of the black community. These are the people who need help and they needed now.

Then here becomes the NSM, otherwise they called themselves America's Nazi Party. Yes they're white, yes they're rich, yes they're a total idiot, and yes they made a bad impression of Americans as a whole. They planned to march in Toledo to protest that "blacks did this", "blacks did that", "blacks are criminals", and "blacks are bad". This infuriated the black people, the black community, and of course, the gangs. Both sides are protesting each other that eventually escalate to rioting.

I'm placing my blame on the Nazi groups, their action is totally UNNECESSARY. They are here to turn a fire into a massive inferno. My question is: Why do the American gov't let those racist groups exist???

This post is not meant be a flamebait or a troll.nsm members rich:eek: your kidding right most of us work 2 jobs or over time to support our familys we are workers, we were asked there by the local people to bring attion to the gang violance problems and death threats. also the founding fathers knew that all speech needed to be protected even if others dont like it, they were labled traitors by there govt (brits) in there time we remember them as patriots

Great job black community in Toledo. Great job. You basically gave the nazis a second Reichstag burning. Great f**king job.

Well, Nazi-Marches of all kinds are a provocation. It's just like those Orange Guys marching through Catholic areas in Belfast.

At any rate, being an Antifa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa)-Sympathiser, if I see a Neo-Nazi on the road, I run him over.


Been to Antifa's site lately? They're bragging about what a 'success' this riot was. What a bunch of idiots. I'm guessing here that while we disagreee on just about everything you are'nt considering this riot a success as well....

Violence in Toledo: What happened, when it happened


8:45 a.m.: Toledo Police Chief Mike Navarre talks with about 40 counter-demonstrators in a parking lot of Manhattan Plaza in North Toledo, about five blocks from the site of a planned neo-Nazi march. “You can pretty much go where you want,” the chief tells the protesters. “Just try not to obstruct anybody. It’s too nice a day to end up in jail.”

9:40 a.m.: Chief Navarre drives around the neighborhood and everything is quiet, with “Erase the Hate” signs displayed on many front lawns.

10:05 a.m.: A police dispatcher reports gang members wearing colors gathering along Stickney, Central, and Ketcham avenues. “This is not going to be pretty,” Chief Navarre predicts. “I’m starting to get a pretty bad feeling.”

11 a.m.: About a dozen neo-Nazis in uniform gather at the east side of Woodward High School yelling, “White pride, not hate” and racial insults. Across the street, a growing crowd of people yells back as they held signs like “No Nazi Hate” and “Fight Racism, Down With Nazis.” Police were stationed near the neo-Nazis to protect them from the crowd.

11:20 a.m.: A line of about 40 more Toledo police officers makes its way to the neo-Nazis to surround them in preparation for the march.

11:25 a.m.: Some police officers begin arming themselves with plastic shields.

11:35 a.m.: Protesters throw rocks at the neo-Nazis and mounted police patrols. Police make the first arrest involving the protest.

11:45 a.m.: After surrounding the neo-Nazis, numbering about 15, police and the marchers walk to Woodrow Wilson Park, where a wall of police stands between the neo-Nazis and members of the media gathered for a press conference.

11:50 a.m.: Bill White, a spokesman for the National Socialist Movement — which calls itself “America’s Nazi Party” — complains that police are preventing 40 more of his members from joining them. Police say those members arrived late, after the area was secured.

11:55 a.m.: The first of countless tear gas canisters are fired by police at crowds along Mulberry. Mobs swarm Bronson Avenue, throwing bricks and rocks through windows and hitting several people. John Szych runs into a back room of his house and emerges with a handgun. He fires six warning shots. “You want more?” he yells.

11:57 a.m.: As angry crowds along Stickney begin throwing bricks and rocks at vehicles, police decide to cancel the march out of fear that the situation could get out of control. Screaming “censorship” and making the Nazi salute, the neo-Nazis eventually agree to get into their cars and drive away.

12:20 p.m.: The neo-Nazis are gone from the North Toledo area by now, but violence begins to intensify. Crowds of several hundred people begin gathering at the intersection of Central and Mulberry.

12:25 p.m.: The Central and Mulberry mobs begin throwing rocks. Police respond by launching tear gas canisters.

12:30 p.m.: An endless stream of vehicles, including a local TV truck, is pelted with bricks and rocks by mobs. At least one Toledo police sport utility vehicle is seen driving through the neighborhood with its windshield and other windows smashed.

12:35 p.m.: The standoff between police and rioters intensifies on Mulberry. Thirty or more vehicles have their windows smashed by rioters at Central and Mulberry.

12:40 p.m.: Police yell through megaphones, asking the crowd to disperse or face arrest.

1:15 p.m.: Chief Navarre declares the “worst is over” and praises his officers’ restraint.

1:30 p.m.: More tear gas is fired at the crowd along Mulberry near Central. Police, stationed at the intersection of Streicher Street and Mulberry, begin yelling to one another that the crowd is getting ready to rush them. They move several patrol cars back to prevent them from getting their windows smashed. “Stay together! Don’t get separated!” police yell to each other.

1:35 p.m.: An ambulance is pelted by a barrage of rocks and bricks, and the windshield is smashed.

2 p.m.: Looters break windows and steal items at American Petroleum convenience store at Stickney Avenue and East Central. Police again launch tear gas at the crowd at Central and Mulberry.

2:15 p.m.: Mayor Jack Ford arrives at Mulberry near Wilson Park. Mayor Ford, Fire Chief Mike Bell, and the Rev. Mansour Bey from the First Church of God in Toledo walk down Mulberry toward Central. Mr. Ford, his head down, tells a reporter that he hopes to disperse the crowd without more violence erupting. With a megaphone, Chief Bell tries to talk to the crowd, numbering about 300 to 400. “Listen up! The Nazis have been gone two hours!” Mayor Ford also tries to talk to the crowd through the megaphone, explaining that the neo-Nazi group had a constitutional right to march. The crowd is angered by that explanation. Mayor Ford at times hands the bullhorn to a reputed gang leader, who tries to calm people down while the mob is screaming at the mayor and others.

2:50 p.m.: Looters break into Jim & Lou’s Bar, at 3032 Mulberry, steal liquor, destroy an upstairs apartment, and set it on fire.


2:55 p.m.: Looters emerge from a building, believed to be a bar, at Central and Mulberry, only 20 yards from where Mayor Ford, Chief Bell, and Mr. Bey are addressing the crowd. Shots are heard. Reports quickly circulate through the crowd that looters discovered guns in the establishment. Mayor Ford, Chief Bell, and Mr. Bey begin walking back on Mulberry toward Woodrow Wilson Park, shaking their heads in disgust and acknowledging their frustration.

3 p.m.: Chief Bell heads back to the police command post. “They said they’d disperse if the police left,” he explains, then heads back toward the crowd at Mulberry and Central.

3:15 p.m.: Smoke can be seen pouring from the looted bar. Chief Bell walks back to the police. “No negotiating. We’re done,” he says. Police begin to move in to secure the area so that fire trucks can get to the building.

3:20 p.m.: Two fire trucks arrive behind police crews on Mulberry near Streicher. Many of the firefighters are wearing bulletproof vests. A black man, Sir Boston, 53, of Central Avenue, runs toward the police officers and pleads with them not to let the fire trucks in for their own safety just yet. He warns that five gangs have control of the Central and Mulberry intersection, and that firefighters are sure to be assaulted if they attempt to put out the blaze. Police move in, anyway, now determined to disperse the crowd with tear gas and a show of force.

Because it is central to our rights that we allow all groups to speak their opinions. You cannot limit free speech, to do so would be horribly detrimental to our nation. Europeans don't understand this since "hate speech" is generally illegal in their nations. Americans allow hate speech, but preserve the right to respond with their own words.
Americans allow hate speech? I would called it an "abuse of free speech"!
What is the American gov't trying to do, promote racism and hate???

The Bill of Rights does not exclude anyone. Even ignorant racists.

*snip*
Excellent timeline here, now I get clear view of what's going on here.

Even the Nazi had the right to march in Toledo, I still think it's inappropiate for them to make a rally here knowing it can extremely upset the black community and cause a riot like this. And for the anti-Nazi demostrators, they should keep protest civil next time, even the when the Nazi made a very appalling message.

we did not get what we wantedwe wanted to march, this was not a "black" community but a historicly polish community into which a large amount of welfair cases have been moved in, and as for the millions more march yes it was a coincidence no one even noticed unitll friday morning
i tmay not have been what you originally wanted, but it was a propaganda victory never the less. i saw a cnn poll that shows more people blame the black gangs than the nazis for the riot... ya got the american people as close to your side as they're likely to get under the occupation, don't look a gift horse in the mouth, and don't complain you wanted a pony. hail victory.

Excellent timeline here, now I get clear view of what's going on here.

Even the Nazi had the right to march in Toledo, I still think it's inappropiate for them to make a rally here knowing it can extremely upset the black community and cause a riot like this. And for the anti-Nazi demostrators, they should keep protest civil next time, even the when the Nazi made a very appalling message.


so you only believe in freedom of speech if it doesn't upset anyone, heck they had that kinda freedom of speech under stalin, you could talk all day long as long as you didn't say the wrong thing.

heres a question for every one here

why is it that the nsm went out with no masks yet the Antifa's coverd their faces one using a dearth vader mask

so you only believe in freedom of speech if it doesn't upset anyone, heck they had that kinda freedom of speech under stalin, you could talk all day long as long as you didn't say the wrong thing.
What I'm saying is that freedom of speech should not abused by hatred and racism. Period.

Aryan, do you like judging people by colour? I can tell by your name.

[QUOTE=The Chinese Republics]What I'm saying is that freedom of speech should not abused by hatred and racism. Period./QUOTE]

The NSM is full of hatred and racism as far as I am concerned.
Affirmative Action is full of racism and hatred too.
And I'll disagree and dispute anyone who says otherwise.
What I won't do is tell you or anyone else that they are not allowed to have a different position....

Been to Antifa's site lately? They're bragging about what a 'success' this riot was. What a bunch of idiots. I'm guessing here that while we disagreee on just about everything you are'nt considering this riot a success as well....

I actually wrote them about that, but the reply didn't real tell me much. He said that the riots were caused by overly passionate people. He doesn't seem to think that the riots were a good thing, though that was the impression I got from the website. They also said they are agressive but keep their head about things. I'm not sure what they mean by agressive or weather thats a good thing or not. They also deny the claims that are being made that they were handing out things to throw at the NSM.

What I'm saying is that freedom of speech should not abused by hatred and racism. Period.

No, what you are saying is free speech for people you agree with. A principle upheld by the 1977 Soviet Constitution:

Article 50 guarantees "freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly, meetings, street processions and demonstrations", but Article 36 says "any advocacy of racial or national exclusiveness, hostility, or contempt, are punishable by law", and Article 52 says "incitement of hostility or hatred on religious grounds is prohibited", and the real clanger, Article 39 says "Enjoyment by citizens of their rights and freedoms must not be to the detriment of the interests of society or the state".

Now, when you have a free speech philosophy in Canada that was used by communist scum to murder thousands, you have to say to yourself "Something is not quite right here, I wonder what it can be?".

Aryan Einherjers and Right Thinking Whites,
I'm curious as to the reasons why you support the NSM. I don't mean to judge. I was just curious. Just a quick reply is all I ask. I don't want to hijack the thread.