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Wal-Mart entering the banking business? Bankers running scared!

Eutrusca
15-10-2005, 14:15
COMMENTARY: Lots of folks on here see red whenever the name Wal-Mart is mentioned. I am not one of those. If other businesses can't stand the competition, they should either go out of business or move. The same will, hopefully, now apply to banks. As far as I'm concerned, banks have bilked their customers long enough, charging fees for this and fees for that. They are especially hard on small depositors, such as those on Social Security, the disabled, and retirees. Go, Wal-Mart! :)


Bankers Oppose Wal-Mart as Rival (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/15/business/15walmart.html?th&emc=th)


Published: October 15, 2005
The letters to federal banking regulators, which poured in at a rate of 20 a day, are a catalogue of fear.

The chief executive of a bank in North Dakota predicted a "dangerous and unprecedented concentration of economic power." The president of a bank in Colorado foresaw "unacceptable risk to the banking system." The head of a California bank anticipated "long-term community disinvestment."

Wal-Mart's proposal to open a bank has sent a wave of concern through community bankers, who view the move as the first of several maneuvers that will turn the company into a financial services behemoth and drive them out of business.

In July, Wal-Mart filed an application with the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation for an industrial bank in Utah that would process credit and debit card transactions for its 3,500 United States stores, saving the retailer the fraction of a penny it now pays to national banks every time a shopper pays with plastic. It is Wal-Mart's fourth effort to enter the banking industry.

A public comment period for the F.D.I.C. application, which concluded on Sept. 23, produced a flood of letters from community banks and activists and yet another public relations problem for Wal-Mart, which is trying to burnish its image.

The number of letters - more than 1,100 - broke a record at the F.D.I.C., which usually receives no more than six comments on an application. To accommodate the response, it extended the public comment period to two months, from one.

Jane Thompson, president of Wal-Mart Financial Services, defended the company's proposal, saying, "This will not be a bank that a consumer ever sees. It's only customer is Wal-Mart."

But community bankers fear that could change and Wal-Mart would open retail branches. Many bankers say Wal-Mart's move into their cities has hurt the smaller businesses that compete with the store's supercenters, including groceries, auto repair centers and photo processing labs.

A coalition has formed to keep Wal-Mart out of banking and includes the Independent Community Bankers of America (which provided a sample letter for its members to send to the F.D.I.C.), the National Grocers Association, the National Association of Convenience Stores and the United Food and Commercial Workers union, which is trying unionize Wal-Mart workers. A coalition of community groups called Wal-Mart Watch has sent a petition to the F.D.I.C. with 11,000 signatures opposing Wal-Mart's application.

The debate has even reached Capitol Hill, where Representatives Paul Gillmor of Ohio and Barney Frank of Massachusetts, both members of the House Financial Services Committee, have asked the F.D.I.C. to hold hearings. "This is a very controversial application filed by the company that is the largest retailer in the world," they wrote.

David Barr, an F.D.I.C. spokesman, said that if such a hearing was held, it would be the first in 20 years.

The F.D.I.C. is expected to rule on the Wal-Mart application by July 2006. Rejections are rare. Wal-Mart is also awaiting approval from Utah, one of the few states that allows retailers to open industrial banks. The chain plans to locate the bank's headquarters in Salt Lake City.

Wal-Mart has made no secret of its banking ambitions. In 1999, the company tried to buy an Oklahoma thrift, prompting federal legislation that banned commercial companies from buying thrifts and unraveled the deal. In 2001, it attempted to strike a partnership with a Toronto bank to establish branches inside its stores, a plan blocked by the United States government. And in 2002, it tried to buy a bank in California, a transaction thwarted when the state banned such arrangements.

This time, Wal-Mart is trying to avoid those pitfalls by creating an industrial bank with the narrow aim of eliminating the payments it makes to third parties for the roughly 2.4 billion electronic payment transactions it handles every year. The bank will, however, accept limited deposits from nonprofit groups.

"Wal-Mart will not have its own bank branches inside our stores or outside of them," said Ms. Thompson of Wal-Mart. As evidence of the bank's limited scope, Ms. Thompson pointed to the 300 different community banks that already operate in more than 1,000 Wal-Mart stores. "We have long-term arrangements with these banks," she said.

But if the letters to the F.D.I.C. are any indication, community banks still believe Wal-Mart poses a direct threat.

"Wal-Mart is well known for entering a community" and "driving out the local competition," wrote Martin J. Schmitz, president of Citywide Banks of Colorado. The bank proposal, he added, would "pose unacceptable risk to the banking system and its regulatory safety net."
OceanDrive2
15-10-2005, 14:18
Bankers Oppose Wal-Mart as Rival (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/15/business/15walmart.html?th&emc=th)


Published: October 15, 2005
The letters to federal banking regulators, which poured in at a rate of 20 a day, are a catalogue of fear.Awww.. poor little Bankers... :D :D :p :D
Eutrusca
15-10-2005, 14:32
Awww.. poor little Bankers... :D :D :p :D
LOL! You don't mean ... you and I actually agree on something??? OMG! :eek:
OceanDrive2
15-10-2005, 14:40
LOL! You don't mean ... you and I actually agree on something??? OMG! :eek:the Planets must be aligned the Rigth way :D :D ;) :D
Eutrusca
15-10-2005, 14:42
the Planets must be aligned the Rigth way :D :D ;) :D
LOL! Amazing! And here I always thought that Astrology was a load of bunk! Tsk! Silly me! :D
OceanDrive2
15-10-2005, 14:46
LOL! Amazing! And here I always thought that Astrology was a load of bunk! Tsk! Silly me! :DBut do Not forget..
When the Planets are aligned again...Its going to be YOUR turn to agree with me ;)
Eutrusca
15-10-2005, 14:48
But do Not forget..
When the Planets are aligned again...Its going to be YOUR turn to agree with me ;)
Eep! :eek:
Jeruselem
15-10-2005, 14:48
Looking forward to the 99c biodegradable credit cards anyone? :D
Foecker
15-10-2005, 14:50
As far as I'm concerned, banks have bilked their customers long enough, charging fees for this and fees for that. They are especially hard on small depositors, such as those on Social Security, the disabled, and retirees. Go, Wal-Mart! :)

What advantage for the customer do you actually see in Bank Wallmart? Gotta admit I'm clueless as to why they should be better off at a Bank Wallmart than at another bank. They aren't going to charge for this and fee for that? :eek:
OceanDrive2
15-10-2005, 14:53
Looking forward to the 99c biodegradable credit cards anyone? :Dactually my Dad is looking to pay thousands less on Mortgages..
Jeruselem
15-10-2005, 14:55
actually my Dad is looking to pay thousands less on Mortgages..

Good luck. I doubt Walmart can offer super-low interest rates though.
The Lone Alliance
15-10-2005, 14:56
Hey Eutrusca I didn't know you were pro-China.
The Noble Men
15-10-2005, 14:57
Wal-mart opens a bank. So what?
OceanDrive2
15-10-2005, 14:58
Good luck. I doubt Walmart can offer super-low interest rates though.the average US Home owner pays more than 50.000 US$ in Interst...(My Dad told me once it was 100.000...I put 50.000 to be on the safe side)

I fully expect walmart to cut that by a few thousands...
The Lone Alliance
15-10-2005, 15:01
the average US Home owner pays more than 100.000 US$ in Interst...

I fully expect walmart to cut that by a few thousands...
Until all the other banks go out of business then they can triple the interest.
OceanDrive2
15-10-2005, 15:07
Until all the other banks go out of business then they can triple the interest. Megalomart has already driven other competition out...have them pripled their prices...

One good example could be Toys'R'us...they are leaving the average Toys buyers to MegalolMart..and going into specialty Niche markets...

Do you think MegalolMart will triple the price of Toys?
The Lone Alliance
15-10-2005, 16:18
You don't realize it but they already are. They build everything in China for mere dimes. And sell it here for over 5 dollars. Pure profit.
Vetalia
15-10-2005, 16:20
You don't realize it but they already are. They build everything in China for mere dimes. And sell it here for over 5 dollars. Pure profit.

Yes, that's why they're so profitable. They can now channel that $4.90 in profit in to banking, which will make them even more money, resulting in more profit and lower prices. It's a successful business model.
Foecker
15-10-2005, 16:27
Yes, that's why they're so profitable. They can now channel that $4.90 in profit in to banking, which will make them even more money, resulting in more profit and lower prices. It's a successful business model.

One can only hope there will always be 'a China' around to be exploited. ;)
Jeruselem
15-10-2005, 16:28
Yes, that's why they're so profitable. They can now channel that $4.90 in profit in to banking, which will make them even more money, resulting in more profit and lower prices. It's a successful business model.

And the bank tellers will probably be Chinese economics graduates. :)
Eutrusca
15-10-2005, 16:30
What advantage for the customer do you actually see in Bank Wallmart? Gotta admit I'm clueless as to why they should be better off at a Bank Wallmart than at another bank. They aren't going to charge for this and fee for that? :eek:
Not if their past practices are any indication. I suspect they will charge far fewer "fees" and the ones they will charge will be lower. Plus, not being part of the "banking circle," they will most likely be innovative and creative, something very few banks are.
Eutrusca
15-10-2005, 16:31
Hey Eutrusca I didn't know you were pro-China.
Sigh. Ok, I'll bite. Say more! [ groans ]
Vetalia
15-10-2005, 16:31
And the bank tellers will probably be Chinese economics graduates. :)

Quite possible; they graduate a hell of a lot more people than we do.
Eutrusca
15-10-2005, 16:32
Until all the other banks go out of business then they can triple the interest.
Ulikely in the extreme. Even if this happened, the response would be a return to the ( now competitive ) banks.
Eutrusca
15-10-2005, 16:34
You don't realize it but they already are. They build everything in China for mere dimes. And sell it here for over 5 dollars. Pure profit.
Good for them! That's the way business is suppose to work ... lower your costs and raise your prices, right up to the point where the competition goes you one better.
Eutrusca
15-10-2005, 16:34
Yes, that's why they're so profitable. They can now channel that $4.90 in profit in to banking, which will make them even more money, resulting in more profit and lower prices. It's a successful business model.
Exactly! And whatever comes after Wal-Mart will repeat the process. In the long run, the consumer wins.
Eutrusca
15-10-2005, 16:35
One can only hope there will always be 'a China' around to be exploited. ;)
Ask the Chinese if they feel "exploited." :rolleyes:
Eutrusca
15-10-2005, 16:36
And the bank tellers will probably be Chinese economics graduates. :)
And the problem with this is??? Mutual dependency among nations decreases the liklihood of war, so I see this as a "good thing."
Jeruselem
15-10-2005, 16:40
And the problem with this is??? Mutual dependency among nations decreases the liklihood of war, so I see this as a "good thing."

Yes, but some of those Chinese workers will be spies. :p
Evil Woody Thoughts
15-10-2005, 16:52
Meh...

Savings to Wal-Mart: $0.035 per transaction

Savings passed on to consumer: $0.00 per transaction

Savings kickbacks to China: $0.0005 per transaction

Savings kickbacks to United States politicians: $0.001 per transaction

World domination: priceless:D
Foecker
15-10-2005, 17:27
Ask the Chinese if they feel "exploited." :rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

Enjoy the bliss.
Eutrusca
15-10-2005, 17:36
Meh...

Savings to Wal-Mart: $0.035 per transaction

Savings passed on to consumer: $0.00 per transaction

Savings kickbacks to China: $0.0005 per transaction

Savings kickbacks to United States politicians: $0.001 per transaction

World domination: priceless:D
Heh! Hell, maybe it's China's turn ... again! :)
Teh_pantless_hero
15-10-2005, 17:38
Meh...

Savings to Wal-Mart: $0.035 per transaction

Savings passed on to consumer: $0.00 per transaction

Savings kickbacks to China: $0.0005 per transaction

Savings kickbacks to United States politicians: $0.001 per transaction

World domination: priceless:D
Wal-Mart + Burger King =
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/4/4e/Thecreepyburgerking.jpg
Evil Woody Thoughts
15-10-2005, 17:38
Heh! Hell, maybe it's China's turn ... again! :)

Heh, I meant Wal-Mart pwning teh world economy.

China pwns our Treasuries.

OMG! I've discovered the Axis of Evil!!11!!:eek:
Tactical Grace
15-10-2005, 17:59
Businesses with money to burn, which end up diversifying into areas where they have no existing competence, usually end up far worse off. They should stick to what they know, not look for opportunities in another industry just because it might look attractive at the moment.
Vintovia
15-10-2005, 18:05
Have you ever visited the UK? The cost of banking has come down after every single supermarket jumped in.

Marks & Spencer even have a 'High Income & Growth fund'.
Tactical Grace
15-10-2005, 18:10
Have you ever visited the UK? The cost of banking has come down after every single supermarket jumped in.

Marks & Spencer even have a 'High Income & Growth fund'.
Actually, I live in the UK, and if you read the small print, you find that the financial product belongs and is managed by a high street bank, with the supermarket merely adding its brand name and collecting a share of the profits.

It really is banking for idiots, you can do far better by going to some banks in person and seeing what they have to offer.
Vintovia
15-10-2005, 18:12
I suppose, but people are idots. So everyone is happy. (Except maybe the idots when they find out how much that personal loan really cost them!)
Lotus Puppy
15-10-2005, 21:07
I don't know what to make of this. If Wal-Mart does for banking what it has done for retailing, then it'd be great. There new motto should now be "always low interest rates".
On the other hand, history has shown that companies can overdiversify, leaving management confused and the company far too big to be effectively supervised, let alone controlled, by neither management nor owners. That happened in the US and Japan back in the 80s, notably with Sears and its failed forays into high finance and many others. Most recently, there's Time Warner, adding the world's largest internet service provider to the world's largest media firm. As we've seen, the two didn't mix. Let's hope Wal-Mart has better luck.