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It all seem somewhat of a fashion. Not religion, but now that I've mentioned it.. this whole religion bashing thing.. 's all good though!

But NO!
My main quibble (god I love that word!!), no matter what you say you can't deny it, your so called "God" can't play hide and seek! Omnipresence get's in the way! Why in hell should I worship a being who fails in such a way? eh!?

I take it this isnt supposed to be serious

You don't think "god's" inability to play hide and seek is serious?

It's true. Not only that, but if God was omnipotent, he could play hide and seek, but being omnipresent means he can't hide. Therefore, either God doesn't exist or the Universe ceases to do so.

You don't think "god's" inability to play hide and seek is serious?

*sigh* He can do what He wants if He's omnipotent. That includes being neither visible nor tangible. Or maybe He is visible, just in the radio wavelength. Maybe the static on TV is God. No, seriously. I know a small fraction of it is Big Bang background radiation, but what about the rest?

Maybe He is tangible, too, but because he's omnipresent He's spread out so thinly across the Universe that the effects of constantly walking through Him are like walking through thinly-dispersed smoke. Indeed, if He's everywhere at once He's in your body, too - but you don't feel the carbon, oxygen, nitrogen (etc.) atoms making you up, so why should you feel the Godium?

*sigh* He can do what He wants if He's omnipotent. That includes being neither visible nor tangible. Or maybe He is visible, just in the radio wavelength. Maybe the static on TV is God. No, seriously. I know a small fraction of it is Big Bang background radiation, but what about the rest?

Maybe He is tangible, too, but because he's omnipresent He's spread out so thinly across the Universe that the effects of constantly walking through Him are like walking through thinly-dispersed smoke. Indeed, if He's everywhere at once He's in your body, too - but you don't feel the carbon, oxygen, nitrogen (etc.) atoms making you up, so why should you feel the Godium?
I wouldn't have to see, hear or smell god to know god is here. There is no where god isn't except hell and if god thinks I'm going to look for him there then god is very twisted and a cheater and wouldn't want to play with god again! I wouldn't play with my Yu-Gi-oh battle card game with god either..

Maybe the static on TV is God.
Actually, that comes from tiny gremlins dancing in various parts of the set.

You don't feel the...
Indirectly, you do. It's those things that enable us to feel - if they suddenly disappeared we'd be lacking touch (among other things).

I wouldn't have to see, hear or smell god to know god is here.

Okay, I was questioning whether you were serious, and now I have my answer, courtesy of Yugi and his... ancient Egyptian games of death or whatever they're called. I dunno, I only ever caught the first issue in an old Shonen Jump.

So how would you be able to tell whether God exists or not if, as you claim, you wouldn't be able to perceive Him?

Indirectly, you do. It's those things that enable us to feel - if they suddenly disappeared we'd be lacking touch (among other things).

Nuh-uh. We feel our fingers, our toes, our chins and shins and various other bits of us, but we aren't aware of the molecules which make them up, at least, not in the qualia sense (though we may be aware in the scientific sense, the thought experiment can be continued by positing someone - Bob - who is unaware of his molecular composition).

Nuh-uh. We feel our fingers, our toes, our chins and shins and various other bits of us, but we aren't aware of the molecules which make them up, at least, not in the qualia sense (though we may be aware in the scientific sense, the thought experiment can be continued by positing someone - Bob - who is unaware of his molecular composition).
Dear god, what have I started?

Dear god, what have I started?

*grins wolfishly* You invoked Qualium, the God of Epistemology. The payment He demands is your thread. I hijack this thread in the name of the God of Epistemology!

*sigh* He can do what He wants if He's omnipotent.
Can he microwave a Burito so hot that he can't eat it?

Nuh-uh. We feel our fingers, our toes, our chins and shins and various other bits of us, but we aren't aware of the molecules which make them up, at least, not in the qualia sense (though we may be aware in the scientific sense, the thought experiment can be continued by positing someone - Bob - who is unaware of his molecular composition).
I said indirectly for a reason ;)
Try removing all the carbon, oxygen and nitrogen in your body, and see how you feel.

Can he microwave a Burito so hot that he can't eat it?
Not if he wanted to eat it.
God loses!

Can he microwave a Burito so hot that he can't eat it?
:D God cannot but would god even bother with the microwave at all? After all, what is a microwave but a satanic conspiracy to make us slothful?

:D God cannot but would god even bother with the microwave at all? After all, what is a microwave but a satanic conspiracy to make us slothful?
But microwaves have existed for a long time, possibly since the beginning of the Universe. If a microwave is satanic, then God is Satan.

Can he microwave a Burito so hot that he can't eat it?

Old gag. "Everything logically possible", is the traditional answer to that, seeing as "doing everything" technically means "doing everything logically possible", since what is not logically possible cannot be done.

Abaalia, I realise your point, and no offence, mate, but I'm not sure how relevant it is. You're asking "could we feel without a body?" which I'm not sure is the right question here. I merely posited that there are things going on within us we are not aware of - perhaps a more representative example might be, say, minor hormonal changes, which happen without us noticing, or most of what's happening within our brain at any given time, or most of what happens to us while we're asleep - and this provides room for God to actually be everywhere at once, perhaps in gaseous form, and for us not to perceive Him. It's a bit God-of-the-Gaps, yes, but it's logically possible :)

Old gag. "Everything logically possible", is the traditional answer to that, seeing as "doing everything" technically means "doing everything logically possible", since what is not logically possible cannot be done.

Abaalia, I realise your point, and no offence, mate, but I'm not sure how relevant it is. You're asking "could we feel without a body?" which I'm not sure is the right question here. I merely posited that there are things going on within us we are not aware of - perhaps a more representative example might be, say, minor hormonal changes, which happen without us noticing, or most of what's happening within our brain at any given time, or most of what happens to us while we're asleep - and this provides room for God to actually be everywhere at once, perhaps in gaseous form, and for us not to perceive Him. It's a bit God-of-the-Gaps, yes, but it's logically possible :)

I know what you were saying, but isn't this thread meant for irrelevent and relaxed argument?

Okay, I was questioning whether you were serious, and now I have my answer, courtesy of Yugi and his... ancient Egyptian games of death or whatever they're called. I dunno, I only ever caught the first issue in an old Shonen Jump.

So how would you be able to tell whether God exists or not if, as you claim, you wouldn't be able to perceive Him?
Oh, I'm not questioning god's existance. I have more important things to do.. well easier things to do anyway.. I'll find out in the end.. or I won't..

That question you asked... do you want an answer? It is the weekend and all..

I know what you were saying, but isn't this thread meant for irrelevent and relaxed argument?

...yes, okay, I'm just a little... charged up at the moment. Sadly, I actually have to go now, and the intellectual wind-up of this and the other fast-updating thread about Christianity right now have got me into a state my boyfriend will not thank you all for ;)

Anyway, I'll be back - and just as food for thought, who here thinks it is possible for a person to exist without a body?

Wait, I'll make another thread about that.

Here's a question: Do the logical paradoxes that are inherent in the idea of a onmnipotent, omnipresent and all-knowing god disprove his existence and why do you think so?

(Take that all you serious people! Ha!)