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Ok!

I know this is a day or so (for those in other timezones) but I would like honest opinions as to the outcome of the vote.

I am asking that you all be considerate to one another and LISTEN to what both sides are saying.

For me, I do believe that the Constitution will be ratified but it will be amended in due course. I base this on what all sides are saying as well as listening to the Muslim Clerics inside the Country.

The Shi'ites and Kurds will ratify it but the Sunnies are the wild cards. However, some of the Sunni Imams are urging their followers to vote for the Constitution.

What are your thoughts!

*poll coming*

Personally, I find it to be rather unlikely. But I suppose anything's possible.

Considering the amount of hurdles it has to jump (Something like 60% approval and 2 or more provinces can't reject) I'd say no

Considering the amount of hurdles it has to jump (Something like 60% approval and 2 or more provinces can't reject) [...]

Not quite... it passes unless three provinces have a majority of ~66% (two thirds) against. In other words, it can pass while still having a majority against in every province. How's that's for democracy?

Actually your both wrong.

3 provinces has to vote against it in order to reject it :D

Actually your both wrong.

3 provinces has to vote against it in order to reject it :D
You sure?

This Beep article seems to suggest that "Two-thirds of voters in three provinces must reject it for the constitution to fail." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4337200.stm

I don't know what this article suggests... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4311690.stm

Perplexing. Seems like the rules are in constant change.


Meh. Whatever. I suspect it will be approved.

Hope so, although I disagree with certain points of it. However, this needs to be passed in order for real democracy to begin to work, and iraq begin to stand on its own two feet.

Meh. Whatever. I suspect it will be approved.

I suspect it will be because the Sunnis are split on it enough to make any attempt at making the 2/3 mark in three provinces an impossibility.

Add to that the fact that the Kurds and Shiites are going to vote for it in their areas.

Don't quote me yet, but I have the feeling that as soon as they "have a Constitution" the US will be right out of there, saying, "our job is done."

This Beep [...]
I think you'll find it's 'Beeb'. Or 'Auntie'...

[...] article seems to suggest that "Two-thirds of voters in three provinces must reject it for the constitution to fail." [...]
Perplexing. Seems like the rules are in constant change.
They changed it briefly so that it would have to be two thirds of registered voters, ignoring actual turnout, making it almost impossible for it to be rejected, but after protest they changed it back agaion.

I think you'll find it's 'Beeb'. Or 'Auntie'...

lol
quite

Everyone seems to think the constitution is a pre-requisite for democracy.

However, what if it is democratically rejected? In that case, the people may have chosen civil war. Or else it could be approved, but the democracy of the process may be thrown into doubt, resulting in a civil war anyway.

Let's face it, no election in Iraq is going to get a credible rubber stamp of freedom and fairness.

Everyone seems to think the constitution is a pre-requisite for democracy.

However, what if it is democratically rejected? In that case, the people may have chosen civil war. Or else it could be approved, but the democracy of the process may be thrown into doubt, resulting in a civil war anyway.

Let's face it, no election in Iraq is going to get a credible rubber stamp of freedom and fairness.

Wanting a democracy is a prerequisite for democracy.

Want it bad enough, and you get one. You can't make someone want it.

If you don't want it bad enough, you get some other form of government.

If you don't want government, you get anarchy.

If you can't agree on a government, you get civil war.

Everyone seems to think the constitution is a pre-requisite for democracy.

However, what if it is democratically rejected? In that case, the people may have chosen civil war. Or else it could be approved, but the democracy of the process may be thrown into doubt, resulting in a civil war anyway.

Let's face it, no election in Iraq is going to get a credible rubber stamp of freedom and fairness.

If they vote it down, then they'll start over. Even the US Constitution wasn't written overnight and it took a few years to come up with ours. We did start with the Articles of Confederation and then realized it didn't work and wrote the shortest Constitution and the longest lasting written one which took a long time to accomplish.

Well the polls have closed in Iraq and later today we should know what the turn out was and in a few days, we should know wether or not it was approved.

My money is on the approval.

Wait - Iraq gets to vote on *their* Constitution?
I never heard anything about us getting a vote on our Constitution! :D

Wait - Iraq gets to vote on *their* Constitution?
I never heard anything about us getting a vote on our Constitution! :D

LOL!