Katrina and Anarchy
Sick Nightmares
13-10-2005, 21:10
Am I the only one who watch the clusterfuck that was Katrina and just shook my head at the idea of Anarchy EVER working?
Look at it like this. The storm rolls in, floods the city. The people all go to the superdome and the civic center. Then they wait. And wait. And sit. And wait. People starve. People die. And they wait. And they wait. Helpless to the utmost degree. Then comes the military. The COMPLETE OPPOSITE of the Anarchist idea. Structured and disciplined, they fly in and save the day.
A Gunny says go do this,that,and the other. Private Smith says "Yes sir" and things get done! People NEED to be lead in times of strife.
The Anarchists? They'd still be sitting there...........Waiting. Freedom in Anarchism? Yeah, the freedom to be helpless.
Sierra BTHP
13-10-2005, 21:12
Am I the only one who watch the clusterfuck that was Katrina and just shook my head at the idea of Anarchy EVER working?
Look at it like this. The storm rolls in, floods the city. The people all go to the superdome and the civic center. Then they wait. And wait. And sit. And wait. People starve. People die. And they wait. And they wait. Helpless to the utmost degree. Then comes the military. The COMPLETE OPPOSITE of the Anarchist idea. Structured and disciplined, they fly in and save the day.
A Gunny says go do this,that,and the other. Private Smith says "Yes sir" and things get done! People NEED to be lead in times of strife.
The Anarchists? They'd still be sitting there...........Waiting. Freedom in Anarchism? Yeah, the freedom to be helpless.
They waited because they were expecting the government to do something for them. They weren't anarchists.
The true anarchists were the people in various neighborhoods who took out their AR-15s and sat at the end of their own street, waiting for looters to become targets.
In a major disaster, in any country, if you're expecting the government to rescue everyone immediately, and provide for everyone immediately, you're going to be sadly disappointed.
Anarchy is only for those who are self-reliant. It's a disaster for anyone else - especially those who believe that someone else should be responsible for caring for their every need.
Katganistan
13-10-2005, 21:16
Yes, a shining success for the idea that people can fend for themselves -- especially with the gangs roaming the streets shooting at the civil engineers and the helicopters bringing in supplies.
Messerach
13-10-2005, 21:16
They waited because they were expecting the government to do something for them. They weren't anarchists.
The true anarchists were the people in various neighborhoods who took out their AR-15s and sat at the end of their own street, waiting for looters to become targets.
In a major disaster, in any country, if you're expecting the government to rescue everyone immediately, and provide for everyone immediately, you're going to be sadly disappointed.
Anarchy is only for those who are self-reliant. It's a disaster for anyone else - especially those who believe that someone else should be responsible for caring for their every need.
Good call. Anarchy, as a system, would have to be an intrinsic part of the culture to work. It would need to be a basic assumption that for things to be achieved you need to work together with people around you. This kind of change in culture isn't going to suddenly happen with the disappearance of authority.
Vintovia
13-10-2005, 21:18
I dont think the aftermath of natural disasters is a suitable to use to show the pros or cons of any political system.
Am I the only one who watch the clusterfuck that was Katrina and just shook my head at the idea of Anarchy EVER working?
Look at it like this. The storm rolls in, floods the city. The people all go to the superdome and the civic center. Then they wait. And wait. And sit. And wait. People starve. People die. And they wait. And they wait. Helpless to the utmost degree. Then comes the military. The COMPLETE OPPOSITE of the Anarchist idea. Structured and disciplined, they fly in and save the day.
A Gunny says go do this,that,and the other. Private Smith says "Yes sir" and things get done! People NEED to be lead in times of strife.
The Anarchists? They'd still be sitting there...........Waiting. Freedom in Anarchism? Yeah, the freedom to be helpless.
Most anarchists are just nuts that want to blow shit up.i doubt they know the first thing about the political idealogy of anarchism.although in saying this the only anarchist i ever came into contact with was the total opposite,a pacifist-anarchist.i think he's in jail for smashing up an american warplane,or maybe they're still in court.
Triad City
13-10-2005, 21:22
Yes, a shining success for the idea that people can fend for themselves -- especially with the gangs roaming the streets shooting at the civil engineers and the helicopters bringing in supplies.
The shooters were actually spec-ops sabotaging relief efforts to justify a federal response.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2005/060905femasabotaging.htm
http://www.infowars.com/articles/new_orleans/gov_sabotage_relief_efforts.htm
Katganistan
13-10-2005, 21:24
The shooters were actually spec-ops sabotaging relief efforts to justify a federal response.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2005/060905femasabotaging.htm
http://www.infowars.com/articles/new_orleans/gov_sabotage_relief_efforts.htm
*rolls eyes and passes out the tin-foil hats*
Oh, VERY likely, given that happened AFTER the Feds were on the scene.
The shooters were actually spec-ops sabotaging relief efforts to justify a federal response.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2005/060905femasabotaging.htm
http://www.infowars.com/articles/new_orleans/gov_sabotage_relief_efforts.htm
lol,somehow i dont think you need to send spec-ops to attack relief workers to justify a federal response to a natural disaster.
Ashmoria
13-10-2005, 21:39
I dont think the aftermath of natural disasters is a suitable to use to show the pros or cons of any political system.
id have to agree with this. you dont throw a bunch of non swimmers into the deep end of the pool and expect them to make their way to the ladders in an orderly fashion.
Sierra BTHP
13-10-2005, 21:50
id have to agree with this. you dont throw a bunch of non swimmers into the deep end of the pool and expect them to make their way to the ladders in an orderly fashion.
Hmm. Then it's rather clear that some percentage of the population (the part that had the means to leave, or the arms to stay) already knew how to swim or tread water.
The ones who were waiting for help at the convention center and Superdome seem to have made a career of hanging on to the side of the pool, waiting for help their whole lives.
Maybe they've been waiting because someone promised it to them. And then never delivered.
Ashmoria
13-10-2005, 21:56
Hmm. Then it's rather clear that some percentage of the population (the part that had the means to leave, or the arms to stay) already knew how to swim or tread water.
The ones who were waiting for help at the convention center and Superdome seem to have made a career of hanging on to the side of the pool, waiting for help their whole lives.
Maybe they've been waiting because someone promised it to them. And then never delivered.
geez
they went there because that is where they were TOLD TO GO.
they were the elderly, the sick, those without transportation. and their families. yeah they dont swim too well. go figure.
Sierra BTHP
13-10-2005, 22:02
geez
they went there because that is where they were TOLD TO GO.
they were the elderly, the sick, those without transportation. and their families. yeah they dont swim too well. go figure.
Those without transportation. Hmm. I can see the elderly and the sick. Ok, I'll grant that Nagin should have proactively used the 400 buses in his bus yard to move them before the water came up. As for the others, why haven't they spent their whole lives preparing for the possibility that they might have to go somewhere?
I see. They're waiting for the government to do it. Because the government promised them. Probably writes them checks, too.
You can turn perfectly good people into mindless slugs - all you have to do is incarcerate them in public housing and give them mediocre benefits - and threaten to cut off all of that if they show the slightest inclination to exercise some personal initiative.
No wonder they couldn't swim.
Sierra BTHP
13-10-2005, 22:13
A lot of the people who were waiting at the Superdome and Convention Center apparently believe "facts" like this one:
Bomb, not Katrina, broke dikes: Farrakhan
Oct 13 3:16 PM US/Eastern
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Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan fueled a rumor that explosives, not Hurricane Katrina, broke New Orleans' dikes and flooded poor African American neighborhoods.
"A member of the Army Corps of Engineers saw burn marks on the concrete," Farrakhan told reporters, describing an e-mail he had received.
"They found two types of explosives used by the military," he said, without naming the source, adding that an eight-meter (25-foot) crater had been blown in the dike.
Farrakhan said locals had reported sounds of explosions, among other things, leading him to believe the rumors should be investigated.
"Wickedness exists in high places," he said. "The duty of the government is to prove the rumor to be false or that these suspicions are true."
The Chicago-based Nation of Islam is an offshoot of Islam. Farrakhan has earned headlines with controversial statements about Jews and homosexuals.
He also attacked the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the Red Cross.
"FEMA is insensitive, there are not enough blacks high up. The Red Cross, too. It's too white, it is! Racism poisoned the bloodstream of politics," he said.
"Don't think it's non existent in the Red Cross or FEMA," he said.