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Satanists,
Why are you Satanic? Is it just another way so that you can be wierd and counterculture?
I mean really some people do weird things such as Satanism just to say " Oh I am Satanic and I'm different, excuse me while I go into Hot topic to buy something!

It's really kind of disturbing. Explain to me why you are this way.

Satanism is an excellent philosophy, and it's a hell of a lot better than most other religions.

(I am not a Satanist. I just know about it.)

How is worshipping the Devil an excellent philosophy?(not smart ellec, just want to know why)

Its more Humanist and more of a philosophy than puppy- killing-blood -bathing- virgin-sacrificing- cultish weirdos.

Well, Satanists can be influenced by many things.
1. They are insane
2. They just want to be a counter-culture (rebel?)
3. They do believe Satan will be more beneficial than God and Jesus
4. They know they will go to Hell, so they want to get on Satan's good side
5. Just to piss someone off

I like 5 the most. Because it seems to work lots. :P


Horaff Onazoff
Citizen of the
Federation of Grand Mortland

How is worshipping the Devil an excellent philosophy?(not smart ellec, just want to know why)

It depends if you mean "satanist" as in actual Devil-worshipper (I don't think there are many people who actually fit into that category), or people who call themselves "satanist" to show how different they are but don't actually believe in the devil.

i.e from here:
Satanism is a religious, semi-religious and/or philosophical movement whose adherents recognize Satan as an archetype, pre-cosmic force, or some aspect of human nature. Although named for Satan, a name associated with evil and temptation, Satanism is more commonly the name given to certain spiritual paths which emphasize the Left-Hand Path, as opposed to the much more common Right-Hand Path. Left-Handers believe in spiritual enrichment through their own work on themselves, and that ultimately they are answerable only to themselves, while Right-Handers believe in spiritual enrichment through the dissolution or submission of the self to (or into) something greater. Many Satanists do not in fact worship a deity called Satan, or necessarily any other deity, nor do they follow a principle of evil. This aspect of their beliefs is very commonly misunderstood.

Instead of divine laws or naturistic principles (such as in wicca), Satanism generally focuses upon spiritual advancement of the self without requiring guidance from external higher beings or external principles, instead of submission to a deity or a set of moral codes. For this reason, many contemporary Satanists eschew traditional religious beliefs, attitudes and worship in favor of more egoistic, self-centering worldviews, natural law, survival of the fittest and practices such as materialism, individualism and magick. However, some Satanists do choose voluntary moral codes, e.g., the 9 Statements or 11 Laws of the LaVeyan Satanists.

Satanic cults (so-called "Gothic Satanism"), the Satanism that Inquisition-era accusers believed was being practiced and which is closest to the common impression of Satanism, and involved tales of murder and baby-eating, is not known to be practiced in the world today in any formal sense.

Well, Satanists can be influenced by many things.
1. They are insane
2. They just want to be a counter-culture (rebel?)
3. They do believe Satan will be more beneficial than God and Jesus
4. They know they will go to Hell, so they want to get on Satan's good side
5. Just to piss someone off

I like 5 the most. Because it seems to work lots. :P


Horaff Onazoff
Citizen of the
Federation of Grand Mortland

Haha. Agreed. lol

Satanism is a philosophy, not a religion. Most Satanists don't worship Lucifer, or any lesser demons. If you've ever had a demonic experince, you wouldn't worship them either. They can share all sorts of knowledge with you, but they'll also kill you if you piss them off.

The philosophy promoted by Anton LaFey's Church of Satan or CoS has nothing to do with "Satan Worship" in it's base element it is about worshiping yourself as a God because that is all you will ever know or come to understand (somewhat).

It's an interesting philosophy but I find it too bitter for my tastes, but then agian I'm a Buddhist so there you go.

The philosophy promoted by Anton LaFey's Church of Satan or CoS has nothing to do with "Satan Worship" in it's base element it is about worshiping yourself as a God because that is all you will ever know or come to understand (somewhat).

It's an interesting philosophy but I find it too bitter for my tastes, but then agian I'm a Buddhist so there you go.

Its odd- i find aspects of Crowley and LaFey's work similar to Buddhism.... yet so so different at the same time.

Almost as if it is merely a bastardisation of Buddhism.

Are you asking about Satanism such as the Church of Satan?
Or are you asking about the Christians who follow the dark side of God?

Its odd- i find aspects of Crowley and LaFey's work similar to Buddhism.... yet so so different at the same time.

Almost as if it is merely a bastardisation of Buddhism.

Then I guess Anton LaFey is the Bitter Buddha

LOL

Seeing as how Satan is a creation of the Christian religion, it sounds like Satanism is just a ploy to piss off Christians.

Having had Satanist friends, they are more into the "as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else it doesn't matter what I do."

Seeing as how Satan is a creation of the Christian religion, it sounds like Satanism is just a ploy to piss off Christians.
The name is specifically for that purpose.

Seeing as how Satan is a creation of the Christian religion, it sounds like Satanism is just a ploy to piss off Christians.

But bear in mind that the "satanists" that the inquisition persecuted were just named that by the christians, who wanted to call them evil.
They didn't consider themselves to be satanists, they just followed a different god or religion.

To the christians of the time a different god == wrong == corruption == satan

Seeing as how Satan is a creation of the Christian religion, it sounds like Satanism is just a ploy to piss off Christians.Well, witches are a creation of Christianity. Does that mean Harry Potter is meant to piss off Christians?

Oh, bad example.

Think of it this way. Jesus's teachings contradicted a lot of Jewish doctrine back in the day. The Jews were rightfully POed. But that wasn't the goal of Jesus or his followers. They were doing their own thing, taking a base of Judaism and working off it to form their own philosophy.

How is worshipping the Devil an excellent philosophy?(not smart ellec, just want to know why)

Satanists and Devil Worshipers are two very different things. So please don't mix them up. From the Satanist point of view, we think that worshiping the devil is just as dumb as worshiping any other higher being and worshiping the Christian devil is just an part of Christianity not Satanism. Satanists is about worship of one's self. For we believe we are our own gods.

Satanist=Worship of one's self
Devil-Worshippers=Worship of the Christian Devil

~Satanic Reverend Medivh~

Wow, I find this horrifyingly insulting. how can you people so thoroughly deride a religion while claiming to be a member of a religius group that preaches caring and understanding. Christianity has(and is here) prvong itself t be nothing more than a repressive, hypocrytical, corrupt orginization that uses it's doctrines to gather and wiled alarming worldwide power. Satanism is not a fad, it is not a counterculture, it is not "just to piss of christians". It is a viable religion based on the teahcings of the Yezidi people, and was one of the sources from which christianity stole it's religious beliefs, and then attemted to destroy

Having had Satanist friends, they are more into the "as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else it doesn't matter what I do."

Okay. I am a Satanist, and I am a by-the-book Satanist. This includes being an Atheist. I don't believe in any being called "Satan," I merely believe that the purpose of life is not to deny things to yourself. Satanism is as close to hedonism as makes no real difference.

Satanists such as myself believe that there is no real purpose to deny any pleasures to ourselves, although we very rarely indulge so much as to make it a vice. Cultish worshippers of Satan have no relation at all to the religion of Satanism. We do not cut the heads off of chickens, kick puppies in the gutter, or wear lots of black clothing and shoot people.

Another thing. We do not generally hold anything against Christian people, or at least no more than Christian people hold anything against the rest of the world. The purpose of Satanism is not to laugh in peoples' faces about the existance of a god or a devil, although laughing is endorsed in Satanism, as it shows that you are enjoying yourself.

In short, kindly do not compile lists of grievances that make us look bad. We're people, too. Just as much as Muslims are people, Buddhists are people, Atheists are people, Confucians are people, Taoists are people, Pagans are people, Jewish people are people, and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Wow, I find this horrifyingly insulting. how can you people so thoroughly deride a religion while claiming to be a member of a religius group that preaches caring and understanding. Christianity has(and is here) prvong itself t be nothing more than a repressive, hypocrytical, corrupt orginization that uses it's doctrines to gather and wiled alarming worldwide power. Satanism is not a fad, it is not a counterculture, it is not "just to piss of christians". It is a viable religion based on the teahcings of the Yezidi people, and was one of the sources from which christianity stole it's religious beliefs, and then attemted to destroy
that's kinda harsh isn't it?

that's kinda harsh isn't it?

From all of the false and just plain retarded accusations about Satanism. I think Hemanica's post was well justified, but that's just my opinion...

~Satanic Reverend Medivh~

It's watered down Nietzscheanism. I hate Nietzsche, but I at least respect him for defying convention. LeVay was just in it for the shock value and money, I think. And of course, Nietzsche inspired the classic piece "Thus Spake Zarathustra" while Satanism inspired those irritating heavy metal songs.

i wont even read through this thread.
God should kick some of those satanist' ass.

i wont even read through this thread.
God should kick some of those satanist' ass.

I'll be waiting for him and I hope you come, too. Hail Satan!

i wont even read through this thread.
God should kick some of those satanist' ass.

You won't read it, but you'll post there, brilliant. :rolleyes:

Anyway seems interesting, I'll probably take a look into it now.

*goes to add things to reading list.*

LaVeyan Satanism is not all bad. The only major places where it falls down is the advocation of revenge and Social Darwinism. Other than that, people I have talked to are very functional.

We are what we are. I don't know what Lavey was thinking when he gave a name to Satanism, but having read everything I could find about all the major religions in the world, I discovered that I am a Satanist. I was born one and I'll die one, whether I use that name or not.

I'll be waiting for you. Hail Satan!

i didnt eat from the Tree of Knowlage of Good and Evil
but i know, you cant trust satan, refering to the original post, saying some may do it because they find it more promising than God.

i didnt eat from the Tree of Knowlage of Good and Evil
but i know, you cant trust satan, refering to the original post, saying some may do it because they find it more promising than God.

Maybe you should read the thread and find out what Satanism really is instead of seeming woefully ignorant.

Maybe you should read the thread and find out what Satanism really is instead of seeming woefully ignorant.

But that would take effort. *throws temper tantrum*

From all of the false and just plain retarded accusations about Satanism. I think Hemanica's post was well justified, but that's just my opinion...

~Satanic Reverend Medivh~


maybe you guys should come up with a better name, or some better PR?

until I actually met a satanic priest who explained the whole thing to me I assumed that you all did worship satan, based wholly on the name satanist.

I mean it is kinda misleading

maybe you guys should come up with a better name, or some better PR?

until I actually met a satanic priest who explained the whole thing to me I assumed that you all did worship satan, based wholly on the name satanist.

I mean it is kinda misleading

I believe satan or satanist something to that effect means to oppose in the jewish language. Perfect name actually if you think about it.

Satanists and Devil Worshipers are two very different things. So please don't mix them up. From the Satanist point of view, we think that worshiping the devil is just as dumb as worshiping any other higher being and worshiping the Christian devil is just an part of Christianity not Satanism. Satanists is about worship of one's self. For we believe we are our own gods.

Satanist=Worship of one's self
Devil-Worshippers=Worship of the Christian Devil

~Satanic Reverend Medivh~

Satanist- Why would you worship yourself, we humans are the not godly in any right. Nothing in comparison to God.
Devil Worshipper- Stupid.

Meh, the only religion worth belonging to is the church of El Duce. I wish I could post a link, but some pages in the church's website include pornographic images, which all religions should pay homage to.

It's watered down Nietzscheanism. I hate Nietzsche, but I at least respect him for defying convention. LeVay was just in it for the shock value and money, I think. And of course, Nietzsche inspired the classic piece "Thus Spake Zarathustra" while Satanism inspired those irritating heavy metal songs.
Nietzsche wrote Also Sprach Zarathustra.

Nietzsche wrote Also Sprach Zarathustra.

He did? I knew he wrote the book, but I didn't know he wrote the song, too.

Satanist- Why would you worship yourself, we humans are the not godly in any right. Nothing in comparison to God.
Devil Worshipper- Stupid.

This is the kind of thing that makes my blood boil. If you tell someone they are worthless for long enough they start to believe it. We are NOT nothing. We are the dominating force on Earth. We bend animals and minerals to our will. We harness the power of the wind and sun and covert it to energy for our own use. Every day our power over life and death grows, as new medical breakthroughs are made. We have even broken our Earthly bonds and walked the surface of the moon!

And Christians say we are nothing. You people sicken me.

(Incidently, I do agree with Jimmy about Hot Topic. It's a store for pretenders. For the most part those people are not real Satanists, but instead lean on it the same way they would on Christianity.)

Seeing as how Satan is a creation of the Christian religion, it sounds like Satanism is just a ploy to piss off Christians.

How come he has a starring role in the Book of Job then?

Nietzsche wrote Also Sprach Zarathustra.

He is talking about the music written by Richard Strauss.

The beginning of it is played during the introduction of 2001: A Space Oddessey[sp]. If that helps.

I believe satan or satanist something to that effect means to oppose in the jewish language. Perfect name actually if you think about it.
oh yeah? that does make sense then. wow. learn something new everyday.

oh yeah? that does make sense then. wow. learn something new everyday.

'Satan' means 'adversary', 'opponent'.

He is talking about the music written by Richard Strauss.

The beginning of it is played during the introduction of 2001: A Space Oddessey[sp]. If that helps.

Exactly.

'Satan' means 'adversary', 'opponent'.
oh... I looked it up and found both definitions.

interesting, I wonder which one they used....

oh well, it doesn't matter.....


either one really works, they could be opponents of the thought pattern that they associate as wrong, that is worshiping anyone but yourself
(from what I understood from a satanist I used to know)

How is worshipping the Devil an excellent philosophy?(not smart ellec, just want to know why)To the best of my knowledge, satanism does not actually involve worshipping the devil. It involves putting onself first.

I'm not saying you should ignore everyone else in your life, but I really don't see what's so wrong with putting yourself before (most) others - you can bet that very few others will do so.

Satanist- Why would you worship yourself, we humans are the not godly in any right. Nothing in comparison to God.But this assumes you believe in, or give a toss about, God. I'd be very doubtful that any satanist does. Beliefs are highly subjective; if they believe that the individual is 'godly', then that's their choice.

I find myself in complete agreement with LaVey's 9 Satanic Statements and 9 Satanic Sins, but not all of the 11 Satanic Rules.

Statements:
Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence.
Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams.
Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit.
Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates.
Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek.
Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires.
Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all.
Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification.
Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years.

Sins:
Stupidity, pretensiousness (putting on airs), solipsism (expecting others to give back to you what you give to them), self-deceit, herd conformity, lack of perspective, forgetfulness of past orthodoxies (i.e. accepting something as new and different which is merely a repackaging of the old or the discredited), counterproductive pride (ie pride of a type which undermines one's own goals), and lack of aesthetics.

Rules:
Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
Do not harm little children.
Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

A very logical philosophy, in my opinion. I just don't consider myself a follower.