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Okay, I'm not interested in whether god exists or not. So please don't try to convert me. All I want to know is did I blow it?

I'm a pretty easy going guy. I also happen to be a athiest. I don't believe in a 'god', but I lean more to the m-theory and string theory. Shes a pretty faithfull christian.

We got on the topic of 'god' somehow, and somehow I ended up explaining my non-christian beliefs to her.

We got into a pretty bad debate. She kept asking me who created the other universes outside our own and such. And I tried to explain to her that bushes catching on fire in the middle of the desert wasnt to uncommon(one of the obscure bible references I know). And the parting of the red sea was most likely caused by a really good sense of timing of Moses, a drought and tides.

I really hope I didn't hurt her fealings. Do you think I blew it? Or is this not too bad.. :confused:

If you are hoping to have a meaningful existence with this person then you should not suger-coat or hide your beliefs.

Sounds like you tried to convert her.

man i am so glad nobody gives a shit about religion over here...

either you accept and respect each others' view on this, or you don't.

-snip-


Ooooohhhhh..... :eek:
A golden rule i live by....

She is ALWAYS right. ;)

I really hope I didn't hurt her fealings. Do you think I blew it? Or is this not too bad.. :confused:

You can't just lie about or hide your beliefs. If someone can't handle you having those beliefs, why should they be your girlfriend anyway?

Okay, I'm not interested in whether god exists or not. So please don't try to convert me. All I want to know is did I blow it?

Depends on what you want out of the relationship.

I really hope I didn't hurt her fealings. Do you think I blew it? Or is this not too bad.. :confused:

I'd apologize and then agree to disagree on the topic of God.

Sounds like you tried to convert her.

You can not convert someone to Atheism.

Go and try for the hot make up sex after a angry theism debate. :rolleyes:

Depends on what you want out of the relationship.
That's true there.

Never never never never never never never ever talk politics or religion with a bf/gf that you know has a differing opinion then you. Only pain will come from it. People are way to stubborn on the smaller issues concerning these two. If you want to make it up to her, you could probably do it. But girls remember fucking everything, especially when it goes wrong. The best thing you can do is try to find neutral ground on the subject and the best way to get there is "I don't know"... also on a side note: One of the best things a teacher had ever taught us came from something his wife said. The two were in an argument and his wife said flat out "Don't you bring logic into this". Which is the sad reason you will never win an argument, logic does not apply when dealing with an angry woman.

Sounds like you tried to convert her.
Did not, she asked me.



Ooooohhhhh.....
A golden rule i live by....

She is ALWAYS right.

Ooo..forgot about that little rule of life.


I dont really want to convert to christanity just to be with her though. Mabey she will just have to live with it?

You can not convert someone to Atheism.
No, considering that it isn't a religion. However, you can get them to believe it's more correct than Christianity or something. Non-conversion is only in the religious sense.

you should probably be careful not to hurt her feelings, she probably takes her faith pretty seriously and may have thought that you think she is stupid for believing. You two should be able to have a civil debate about it, without either of you getting hurt, but if you can't maybe it is time to move on.

logic does not apply when dealing with an angry woman.

Logic seldom applies when dealing with an angry anything.

I dont really want to convert to christanity just to be with her though. Mabey she will just have to live with it?

Well if she's not happy the way you are- then she ain't worth it.

Logic seldom applies when dealing with an angry anything.
Now now I've been able to get a lot of my angry friends from beating another one of my friends with mere words and liquor.

You can not convert someone to Atheism.

Not in the religion sense, but you can get someone to turn from their beliefs to another. Just like from Christianity to Atheism, or Capitalism to Communism, for example. There's a word for it...oh what is it?...oh yeah: converting.

I think I will just use "I don't know what I'm thinking, life is confusing" escape from now on.

I'll make sure to check on her tomarrow. Its a bit late here.

Okay, I'm not interested in whether god exists or not. So please don't try to convert me. All I want to know is did I blow it?

I'm a pretty easy going guy. I also happen to be a athiest. I don't believe in a 'god', but I lean more to the m-theory and string theory. Shes a pretty faithfull christian.

We got on the topic of 'god' somehow, and somehow I ended up explaining my non-christian beliefs to her.

We got into a pretty bad debate. She kept asking me who created the other universes outside our own and such. And I tried to explain to her that bushes catching on fire in the middle of the desert wasnt to uncommon(one of the obscure bible references I know). And the parting of the red sea was most likely caused by a really good sense of timing of Moses, a drought and tides.

I really hope I didn't hurt her fealings. Do you think I blew it? Or is this not too bad.. :confused:
You could have done better than you know. Hooking up with a fundamentalist Christian when you're an atheist isn't the best combination, you know. :(

You could have done better than you know. Hooking up with a fundamentalist Christian when you're an atheist isn't the best combination, you know. :(

What he said.

I dunno whether to laugh or not: Getting together with somebody who has a near-polar opposite view on such a subject isn't very smart.

Well, as a Christian (a really shitty one, but one none the less) I know there is a rule about not dating people who aren’t Christians, those who are “unequally yoked.” So the fact that she would even consider being your girl friend could mean that she really isn’t into her religion that much anyway, though a lot of young people who are very devout in every other way tend to not follow that rule.
Well, that wasn’t very constructive was it?

I think I will just use "I don't know what I'm thinking, life is confusing" escape from now on.

I'll make sure to check on her tomarrow. Its a bit late here.

That is surrender and she may try to convert you. In my opinion it is best to spell out your beliefs to her (she will know what she is getting and you will know if you two are compatable).

Well, as a Christian (a really shitty one, but one none the less) I know there is a rule about not dating people who aren’t Christians, those who are “unequally yoked.” So the fact that she would even consider being your girl friend could mean that she really isn’t into her religion that much anyway, though a lot of young people who are very devout in every other way tend to not follow that rule.
Well, that wasn’t very constructive was it?
I have seen a lot of really devout Christians date non-Christians, they call it 'missionary dating', it almost never works out though, I mean to go into a relationship with one of your main goals to be to change the other person? that didn't ever sound like a great idea to me anyway....

I have seen a lot of really devout Christians date non-Christians, they call it 'missionary dating', it almost never works out though, I mean to go into a relationship with one of your main goals to be to change the other person? that didn't ever sound like a great idea to me anyway....

It sounds nauseating.

I have seen a lot of really devout Christians date non-Christians, they call it 'missionary dating', it almost never works out though, I mean to go into a relationship with one of your main goals to be to change the other person? that didn't ever sound like a great idea to me anyway....
“Missionary dating,” oh the jokes I’ve made about that term.

“Missionary dating,” oh the jokes I’ve made about that term.

Gold!

It sounds nauseating.
I think they do it because they are too desperate to wait for someone who actually makes sense to date to come along.

I don't know why else they would do it. I tried to be friends with some non-Christians before (they happened to be Satanists) it didn't work out to well, I mean we could go bowling and whatnot but anything further than that and it just didn't make any sense. I really couldn't imagine trying to date someone who is completely different than you in that way.

Okay, I'm not interested in whether god exists or not. So please don't try to convert me. All I want to know is did I blow it?

I'm a pretty easy going guy. I also happen to be a athiest. I don't believe in a 'god', but I lean more to the m-theory and string theory. Shes a pretty faithfull christian.

We got on the topic of 'god' somehow, and somehow I ended up explaining my non-christian beliefs to her.

We got into a pretty bad debate. She kept asking me who created the other universes outside our own and such. And I tried to explain to her that bushes catching on fire in the middle of the desert wasnt to uncommon(one of the obscure bible references I know). And the parting of the red sea was most likely caused by a really good sense of timing of Moses, a drought and tides.

I really hope I didn't hurt her fealings. Do you think I blew it? Or is this not too bad.. :confused:did you blow it? well that depends on weither or not you really liked her. If you like her, apologize. perhaps make an informal agreement not to discuss religion.

I think they do it because they are too desperate to wait for someone who actually makes sense to date to come along.

I don't know why else they would do it. I tried to be friends with some non-Christians before (they happened to be Satanists) it didn't work out to well, I mean we could go bowling and whatnot but anything further than that and it just didn't make any sense. I really couldn't imagine trying to date someone who is completely different than you in that way.

I am atheist and I have a mixture of christian and non-religious friends. Doesn't get it the way - none of us tries to push our views on the other.

“Missionary dating,” oh the jokes I’ve made about that term.

Are these the type of girls that go completly fucking nuts when they get a shot or two in them? Cause if so, man let them come and try to convert me as many times as they want. I can make a white russian that tastes just like a frappacino or whatever it's called.

Are these the type of girls that go completly fucking nuts when they get a shot or two in them? Cause if so, man let them come and try to convert me as many times as they want. I can make a white russian that tastes just like a frappacino or whatever it's called.
Note: That's rape you're talking about there.

Gold!
When one is pretentious enough and presumptuous enough to use the term "Missionary dating", they deserve to have their virgin ears defiled. :p

I think they do it because they are too desperate to wait for someone who actually makes sense to date to come along.

I don't know why else they would do it. I tried to be friends with some non-Christians before (they happened to be Satanists) it didn't work out to well, I mean we could go bowling and whatnot but anything further than that and it just didn't make any sense. I really couldn't imagine trying to date someone who is completely different than you in that way.
Isn't satanism entirely a christian belief?

In anycase I don't understand atheists point of view. I can understand religious people have their...urges...to proclaim their belief but I can't get why atheists must proclaim their undying belief that others beliefs are inherently wrong.

Note: That's rape you're talking about there.

Um... why? And does it still count as rape if both people are drunk?

Note: That's rape you're talking about there.
Consent with any amount of alcohol=rape. I love it. Two shots should not get anyone to the point where they should be excused from their actions, including consent.

I am atheist and I have a mixture of christian and non-religious friends. Doesn't get it the way - none of us tries to push our views on the other.
It is different for an Atheist to be close friends with a Christian than for a Christian to be close freinds with an Atheist.

I have aquantances that are athiest, agnostic, satanist, ect. They just aren't the close freinds in my life, even if I am the close freind in their life.

god, that makes me sound like a hypocrite right? grr, I can't explain anything tonight.

I can't get why atheists must proclaim their undying belief that others beliefs are inherently wrong.

I'm an atheist who doesnt try to force my views. Generally though, it's just atheists fighting for their place in a pro-religious world.

It is different for an Atheist to be close friends with a Christian than for a Christian to be close freinds with an Atheist.

I have aquantances that are athiest, agnostic, satanist, ect. They just aren't the close freinds in my life, even if I am the close freind in their life.

god, that makes me sound like a hypocrite right? grr, I can't explain anything tonight.

Um... are you trying to tell me that my christian friends are only pretending to be my friends?

Damn god!


See what this God nonsense leads to


go and apologize to her


Same dilema happened with me except i screwed it up too much...


DAMN GOD!.

Okay, I'm not interested in whether god exists or not. So please don't try to convert me. All I want to know is did I blow it?

I'm a pretty easy going guy. I also happen to be a athiest. I don't believe in a 'god', but I lean more to the m-theory and string theory. Shes a pretty faithfull christian.

We got on the topic of 'god' somehow, and somehow I ended up explaining my non-christian beliefs to her.

We got into a pretty bad debate. She kept asking me who created the other universes outside our own and such. And I tried to explain to her that bushes catching on fire in the middle of the desert wasnt to uncommon(one of the obscure bible references I know). And the parting of the red sea was most likely caused by a really good sense of timing of Moses, a drought and tides.

I really hope I didn't hurt her fealings. Do you think I blew it? Or is this not too bad.. :confused:
If she can not handle you as you this is probably someone you dont want to be with anyways

And if she cant handle a bit of good ol debate then I feel sorry for her

Religion is not realistic.

I say u didnt blow it.
:) :confused: :( :eek: :D :fluffle:

... I dunno why I just did that.

I am a close friend with a Catholic and im atheist!

Isn't satanism entirely a christian belief?
uh..... :confused: ......

Christain- following Christ

how could satanism be Christian

well unless you are talking about how Satan comes from the "Christian Church" and people outside don't actually believe in him. maybe......

they were Levay satanists anyway which doesn't have much to do with satan anyway, from what I understand......

In anycase I don't understand atheists point of view. I can understand religious people have their...urges...to proclaim their belief but I can't get why atheists must proclaim their undying belief that others beliefs are inherently wrong.
I never really understood it either, I mean at least as a Christian I have some motivation to convert people.

someone told me not to long ago that they just like poking at the Christians to make them mad though, so maybe it is fun for them, or maybe like everyone else in the world they want to be right, can't fault them for that ;)

Yes, yes you did.

You made a stupid mistake.

Um... are you trying to tell me that my christian friends are only pretending to be my friends?
probably not.

I am saying that I am very careful who I let into my inner circle.

Um... why? And does it still count as rape if both people are drunk?
One person has the ability to make a decision, the other person doesn't. Rape.


No, it doesn't count as rape if both people are drunk, provided neither party has the intention of getting drunk to get around the above law :D.

Yes, yes you did.

You made a stupid mistake.

Are you religious?

One person has the ability to make a decision, the other person doesn't. Rape.


No, it doesn't count as rape if both people are drunk, provided neither party has the intention of getting drunk to get around the above law :D.

Um... I'm still able to make decisions when I'm drunk, I just make slightly worse ones. Does that mean having sex with a stupid woman is rape, 'cos she would make bad decisions...?

probably not.

I am saying that I am very careful who I let into my inner circle.

Fair enough, but what are you being careful to achieve? Do you believe atheists are inherently bad friends?

Um... I'm still able to make decisions when I'm drunk, I just make slightly worse ones. Does that mean having sex with a stupid woman is rape, 'cos she would make bad decisions...?
Decisions has nothing to do with it. It's more the lack of higher decision making power that's the issue. When you're drunk off your ass, you don't think clearly at all.


Same way that having sex with a person who is mentally retarded is possibly rape.

Um... I'm still able to make decisions when I'm drunk, I just make slightly worse ones. Does that mean having sex with a stupid woman is rape, 'cos she would make bad decisions...?
not really, it has to do with whether both parties are able to consent or not.

If they are unable to consent or don't consent and you force sex on them, that is rape.

now to decide when someone is able to consent and when they aren't gets kinda subjective and is a discussion for elsewhere.....

Um... I'm still able to make decisions when I'm drunk, I just make slightly worse ones. Does that mean having sex with a stupid woman is rape, 'cos she would make bad decisions...?
If she is below a certian level where she is unable to understand the consequences of her actions and or make an informed decision yes

Decisions has nothing to do with it. It's more the lack of higher decision making power that's the issue. When you're drunk off your ass, you don't think clearly at all.


Same way that having sex with a person who is mentally retarded is possibly rape.

Good job I don't find retardation attractive.

/nothing more to contribute

Fair enough, but what are you being careful to achieve? Do you believe atheists are inherently bad friends?
bad friends? no. I don't think they are even bad people, they just have different spiritual goals in life.

I am very careful with my spirituality, I do not put myself in positions where it would be easy for me to be led astray.

bad friends? no. I don't think they are even bad people, they just have different spiritual goals in life.

I am very careful with my spirituality, I do not put myself in positions where it would be easy for me to be led astray.

But surely if you genuinely believe that your religion is true, you couldn't be convinced otherwise? Does this mean that you have doubts?

bad friends? no. I don't think they are even bad people, they just have different spiritual goals in life.

I am very careful with my spirituality, I do not put myself in positions where it would be easy for me to be led astray.
Where I am the oposite ... I love to be put into situations where I can learn from other people specialy people I become good friends with

New information and Idea's are exhilitrating to me

Is she Catholic? If so, you're covered. 2 in 3 Catholics I know are atheists. convert to Catholicism and join the rest of us dodging hell thanks to the Vatican Council's ruling on Freedom of Conscience.

you may not have blown it totally.

IF she calms down and talks to you again, avoid religion

not that you can

so when it comes up, quit with debating the stupid minutae of christian/jewish beliefs. she isnt a christian because of the burning bush

she is a christian because she has a fervent belief in jesus.

if you want to keep her you have to respect her belief. REALLY respect it. and let her know that you do.

so if you dont, read up on her denomination and find something to respect about it. good works or trying to lead an exemplary life or a great spiritual feeling. something. anything.

if you cant respect her beliefs, let her go. its not fair to her to try to keep her under those circumstances.

I have seen a lot of really devout Christians date non-Christians, they call it 'missionary dating', it almost never works out though, I mean to go into a relationship with one of your main goals to be to change the other person? that didn't ever sound like a great idea to me anyway....

I know quite a few Mormon women who Mormonized the men they were dating. If the guy really wanted to get married, he had to convert first.

But surely if you genuinely believe that your religion is true, you couldn't be convinced otherwise? Does this mean that you have doubts?
doubts? no.

It is a difficult life to lead, especially in this day and age. It is too easy to screw up. I am human after all.

Where I am the oposite ... I love to be put into situations where I can learn from other people specialy people I become good friends with

New information and Idea's are exhilitrating to me
It doesn't bother me at all to be presented with new ideas and new information, or even points of veiw that are different than my own, if it did then why the heck would I post on NS?

there is a difference to me between acquantances, friends, and close friends. My close friends share my veiws and are there to give me encouragement and advice when I need it most, I don't want to be trusting just anyone with that responisibility...

Is she Catholic? If so, you're covered. 2 in 3 Catholics I know are atheists. convert to Catholicism and join the rest of us dodging hell thanks to the Vatican Council's ruling on Freedom of Conscience.
hey rot, we got baptised and confirmed, thats gotta be enough right?

so fuck pascal, we got it covered!

It doesn't bother me at all to be presented with new ideas and new information, or even points of veiw that are different than my own, if it did then why the heck would I post on NS?

there is a difference to me between acquantances, friends, and close friends. My close friends share my veiws and are there to give me encouragement and advice when I need it most, I don't want to be trusting just anyone with that responisibility...
I have plenty of close friends that are not of my RELIGIOUS views that can still can give me encoragement and advice in other parts of my life

I have plenty of close friends that are not of my RELIGIOUS views that can still can give me encoragement and advice in other parts of my life
all parts of my life trace back to my spiritual life though, I can't section it off and decide that parts of it are okay for some to help with and others are not.

hey rot, we got baptised and confirmed, thats gotta be enough right?

so fuck pascal, we got it covered!
Damn straight!

Besides I kinda know the Cathecism...

Who made us? God made us

Do I get a cookie?

all parts of my life trace back to my spiritual life though, I can't section it off and decide that parts of it are okay for some to help with and others are not.
I guess for me religion does not even enter into my mind except when we make plans and I got to give ceramony time modifications to our plans

I have a weird history with religion and girlfriends. My most recent ex was a born again christian and so we didn't get along too well. She became really uppity abouyt any intimacy. However, after she left me, she became a slut. I don't mean to insult her, but that's what happened. She got mad when I pointed out that she used her new religion to support her actions.

I guess for me religion does not even enter into my mind except when we make plans and I got to give ceramony time modifications to our plans
It is central to everything that I think, say, or do. I suppose that I need to remember that it isn't that way for everyone. ;)

No you probably did not blow it. Misunderstandings happen. I take it, she was freaked out. She was probably one of the 65% of "Christians" that take the whole Bible literally or says last year's ?Gallup? Poll on the subject, it was on CNN.

A simple test to see whether or not Christians are real Christians who fully understand the Bible is to ask them what the phrase in the Old Testament, "she laid before him", means. If they answer "sex", then they do know the Bible. Another thing that gets a lot of people is the story about the giants which also in the OT somewhere. Lastly, ask if they have ever done or heard of exegesis. Exegesis is the complete scrutiny of the Bible in like 10 different ways including chronological study, writing style and even characterization of God. Yes, I went to Catholic schools but I'm Lutheran.

If they revere the King James Bible, RUN!.

I have friends of all colors simply because of video games and sometimes we need someone to debate with.

Damn straight!

Besides I kinda know the Cathecism...

Who made us? God made us

Do I get a cookie?
st peter is handing them out at the pearly gates!

st peter is handing them out at the pearly gates!
Remind me to thank him for making the pope hat so damn cool.

Remind me to thank him for making the pope hat so damn cool.
as if youll need reminding!

hmmmm think there is a popemobile in heaven?

You can't just lie about or hide your beliefs. If someone can't handle you having those beliefs, why should they be your girlfriend anyway?

Agreed there. One has to respect the others beliefs, if that doesn't happen it's time to move on.

as if youll need reminding!

hmmmm think there is a popemobile in heaven?
I know it. I plan to steal it. ;)

1. Angry

2. Female

3. Religious

That is the irrationality trifecta. Do not enter into a debate with this perfect storm of unreasoning fury.

1. Angry

2. Female

3. Religious

That is the irrationality trifecta. Do not enter into a debate with this perfect storm of unreasoning fury.
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Wear this ... it will make her happier

We got into a pretty bad debate. She kept asking me who created the other universes outside our own and such.

"Noone created anything".

Though I suppose that in a many world view God should exist somewhere...

Trying to answer "Who created the other universes" automatically means you accept that "someone" created other universes, and therefore, that "someone" could be God.

Actually, if you really want to annoy a theist, ask them "Who does God pray to?"