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Hi Guys and Gals,
I am a long-time fan of the Total War series of games on the PC, Playing Shogun TW and Mongol Invasion (JAPAN), Medieval TW and Viking Invasion (EUROPE), and most recently, Rome TW and now Barbarian Invasion (EUROPE), I was discussing this with a friend and we came up with a few ideas. Vote for What ones do you like? What others could you suggest that run on a similar game engine?

Peloponnesian Era – Greek City State Wars/Diplomacy - quite easily converted from ROME TW engine, perhaps a smaller scale. - would lead easily to an expansion on Alexander the Great – Conquest of Greece, Asia Minor

Dark Ages (post Roman Empire) – Europe (again) - getting a bit bored of Europe but a good possibility. dealing with 400-1100 AD?

For Asia, we thought a good region would be including North- Mongolia/Siberia. East - Manchuria, Korea , not including Japan, Phillipines, South - All of the Continental land of Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Burma West - Tibet/ North West China.
I am sure that many cultures have risen and fallen over the last 3000 years in this region, and similar to Medieval TW, multiple starting year groups would be good. Religion would be an important factor (like in Barbarian Invasion). Perhaps the rise of a massive Khmer empire or Koreans taking over mongolia, that sort of thing, could be played to.
Playing through as the Chinese Dynasties and families would be fun.
But when?

Asian Area (China/Mongolia/SE Asia) – 3000-1500 years ago
Asian Area (China Mongolia/SE Asia) – 500AD to 1500AD?
China Specific Dynasty wars/diplomacy
some other ideas:
Ancient Egypt/Hittites/Babylonians etc

Southern Africa – Tribal warfare – Zulus etc
Imperial Africa – 1600s-1800s – play as imperialists or natives

North America – 1600-1800 - play as imperialists or natives
Central America – 1400-1700 - play as imperialists or natives

The North American one could be similar to Barbarian Invasion, and have moveable cities for the natives, and the region they settle for a winter etc would effect income, both American ones would be able to include the gradual spread of horses, rifles, influenza etc. could be quite fun

Anyway, its out there, is anyone else interested in discussing?

What about the rise of the Incas? Good excuse for having videos of bloody sacrifices.

Jeruselem What about the rise of the Incas? Good excuse for having videos of bloody sacrifices.

Yeah, I was going to include that, but considering the timescale is quite short, ,rather mono-cultural, not very replayable (maybe) I don't think it would make for a good TW game.
The most positive aspects of the TW games is taking on different strategies with different kingdoms, and recently quite different tactics with the ROME series.

Yeah, I was going to include that, but considering the timescale is quite short, ,rather mono-cultural, not very replayable (maybe) I don't think it would make for a good TW game.
The most positive aspects of the TW games is taking on different strategies with different kingdoms, and recently quite different tactics with the ROME series.

Good point. You can trash the Incas with some Crazy Catholics later.

Spanish vs. the Aztecs (and their neighbors) would be King. If, instead of allying with the Spanish, the surrounding tribes had joined forces with the Aztec, they coulda been a force to reckon with, kinda. They'd have to be crafty, since they didn't have the Wheel, or metal weapons, but they'd have superior numbers!

Seriously though, any video game that's colonists vs. natives won't make it.. it just ain't PC.

Spanish vs. the Aztecs (and their neighbors) would be King. -snip-
Seriously though, any video game that's colonists vs. natives won't make it.. it just ain't PC.

Yeah, I agree on the Spanish vs Aztecs, an improved diplomacy system, massive armies of Aztec warriors charging at musketeers etc, very fun.
I disagree that colonists vs natives isn't PC, its just part of history and life, Lots of games cover more controversial topics and are much more violent/adult themes, for example the Uboats of WWII (Silent Hunter III), gang warfare in LA (San Andreas), picking up women (Leisure Suit Larry), Killing Ethiopians (Delta Force Black Hawk Down), etc etc.

In the past, Sid Meier's Colonisation (early 90's) was a really good simulation based more on a CivI - engine, but dealing with the same topic, except you couldn't play as the red indians/Aztecs/Incas etc, only England, Spain, France and the Netherlands.

Blargh.

Time for Berlin: Total War. :p

9/11: Total War

I dunno how well the TW engine supports flying units or buildings though...

I like the Idea of like America: Total war..Have it span from the Revolution to lnow of coruse...you can counquer the whole world by invading different regions at a time..like fyou can invade panama by invading central america and at the same time invade Cyprus by invading middle east or soemthing....Sounds fun :D

first and last bumpety bump
wow, I don't know how many of you are playing Barbarian Invasion, but its hard to keep the eastern roman empire together!
It is also hard switching from the empire and territory mindset of the romans to the nomadic mindset of the barbarians

:)

China seems best, really. Asia is simply too large a scale, china has significant unit versatility and political systems, not to mention superior diplomatic intrigue via the webs of alliances and betrayals.

America wouldn't be fun, I don't think. Just call me biased. That said, a return to medieval or shogun, with their advanced capabilities would be good, fun, possibility.

Hopefully they hire the RTR team to make it, mind.

How bout the Warring States period in China? Kung Fu goodness would abound.

http://www2.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/warringstates.htm

From what I've heard, there's plans to create Imperium Total War, which involves empire building from roughly 1600-1900.

Lol, oh wait that was just a speculative article I read in a PC magazine, whoops. Move along, nothing to see here.

Napoleonic Total War? Something where musketeers, riflemen and cavalry are the main unit types.

Napoleonic Total War? Something where musketeers, riflemen and cavalry are the main unit types.

I was thinking something along those line, but maybe starting a little earlier, around 1700 (maybe, completely arbitiary date I know).

Also, I think that America: Total War, could be done, start just after the early colonial period (when there were some self sufficient colonies up and running). As the game goes on here is some variable to make it more and more likely that the colonies with revolt at which point you can choose to side with the rebels or the mother nation (similar to in Medieval: Total War). With the war being won (when rebels) once the mother nation has recognised the rebels as a nation (i.e. made peace) or when the mother nation is forcebly removed from the continent. Victory for remaining loyal, would be suppressing the rebellion, but with futher rebellions likely to occur (and going through the cycle again).

Total victory when you control the whole continent, obviously.


It would also be interesting to have native Americans as playable factions (and have others to fill the barbarian "faction"). Of course the obvious route for the expansion would be the civil war, and some of the other wars in early american history.

:EDIT: except for the revolution, was there any time when there was "total war" in america? Was the revolution an example of "Total War?"

I like the idea of early China - like prior to the unification, then you could have the challenge of unifying all the kingdoms and stuff, and throw the Great Wall in there as a challenge and you've got a pretty sweet game - especially since early Chinese armies were badass.

:EDIT: except for the revolution, was there any time when there was "total war" in america? Was the revolution an example of "Total War?"

Assuming that you mean in the US (or just North America), I would guess that the civil war probably came closer to a state of total war than occurred during the revolution.

Assuming that you mean in the US (or just North America), I would guess that the civil war probably came closer to a state of total war than occurred during the revolution.

Well, throughout the Americas. My knowledge of American history (as in the history of the Americas) is extremely basic, especially when relating to military matters.

Well, throughout the Americas. My knowledge of American history (as in the history of the Americas) is extremely basic, especially when relating to military matters.

A quick glance at the opinions of Wikipedia (pinch of salt, and all that) labels the ACW as a precursor of total war, and the various Indian Wars as influenced by the ideas of total war.

And what about mixing it with Age or Empires or Civilization?

This is, something like "World: Total War"? Do you imagine a Final World War involving Rome, Gengis Khan's Mongolia and the USA?

And, please, naval battles! And well done, not in the line of Imperial Glory!

And what about mixing it with Age or Empires or Civilization?

This is, something like "World: Total War"? Do you imagine a Final World War involving Rome, Gengis Khan's Mongolia and the USA?


Do you mean like Risk?

Do you mean like Risk?

Yeah, but with the Total War engine and stuff, assaulting cities, inheriting territory (Medieval); and that.

Quote: Laenis Napoleonic Total War? Something where musketeers, riflemen and cavalry are the main unit types.

There was a mod for Medieval Total war produced that was called Napoleonic Total War, but i couldnt get it to work, however here is a not very good site:
http://lordz.thelordz.co.uk/index.php?id=37,0,0,1,0,0

and Anarchic Conceptions, have you ever played Colonisation? because what you described sounded just like it :)

The next game in the series will likely be a remake of one of the earlier incarnations.

Napoleonic Total War? Something where musketeers, riflemen and cavalry are the main unit types.

Yep, definitely. That would be awesome.

Make it run from 1650-1900 or so.

and Anarchic Conceptions, have you ever played Colonisation? because what you described sounded just like it :)

Yep :D

In fact I still play it occasionally.

Though the two would be very different. Colonisation had quite an emphasis on individually traded goods, whilst in Total War trade is more of a side thing that just happens.

It should cover the Napoleonic period in Europe and end before the WW I era sets in... all about musketeers, dragoons, light cavalry, pikemen, cannons, and perhaps some anachronistic swordsmen and such... heavy reliance on formation and large scale strategy and perhaps finally some decent naval combat. Of course, they DID say that they are making two games; one evolutionary (Rome’s engine improved) and one revolutionary (new engine from the ground up.) It’s very likely that one will involve the Napoleonic era… it’s just too vast and amazing a period to pass up. The other really is up in the air though

How about we take this somewhere original? I can play games about Napoleon already. We need a new setting, a new battle. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you:

Eskimo- Total War