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Well, after weeks of bickering and extensive use of game theory...we have it.

Merkel is now German Chancellor (or will be in a week or two)

Schröder leaves Politics, "his path leads him to other places".

Stoiber becomes minster for the economy and technology.

Wolfgang Schäuble (some may remember him from such governments as "Helmut Kohl" and such incidences as the assassination attempt that left him in a wheel chair...) gets the Interior Minister.

The SPD get some key posts, particularly the foreign ministry, which is likely to go to either former minister for defence, Peter Struck, or former interior minister, Otto Schily.

At any rate, don't expect great changes in foreign policy. However, this probably means that the economic reforms started by Schröder will continue at an even faster pace, now that the CDU/CSU will no longer block in the Upper House.

Your thoughts?

Your thoughts?
Endlich isset jeklärt! :D

Endlich indeed. It's about time... the dominoes are falling: first Greece, then Poland.. now Germany.. we're well on the way to the new, improved, slightly-less-socialist Europe. Hooray for that. :)

If they play their cards right, this can pave the way for a full conservative government in the next election. More power to the CDU, damn SPD pussies. I hope they crack down on immigration a bit...

I think - he said cautiously - that this is very good news. I do not appreciate some of the CDU/CSU policies of the past, but it is really super to have a woman chancellor. Just perhaps (unlike Ms Thatcher), she might combine some very necessary economic policy changes with a more sensitive attitude about what is socially important for all. :)

If they play their cards right, this can pave the way for a full conservative government in the next election. More power to the CDU, damn SPD pussies.
Well, you always have to keep their history in mind. It honestly pained me to see people like Müntefering (for whom I have maximum respect) have to be the ones to administer this to their people.
I reckon those party soldiers consider themselves part of something much greater - it must really have hurt to break with their foundations like that.

I hope they crack down on immigration a bit...
Nah, I don't reckon they should. The EU handles that bit, and at any rate, we'd only stand to get more people to pay for all them old bastards...

I'm ignorant of German politics. What does this mean as far as Germany's involvement in Iraq?

Endlich indeed. It's about time... the dominoes are falling: first Greece, then Poland.. now Germany.. we're well on the way to the new, improved, slightly-less-socialist Europe. Hooray for that. :)Poland isn't going into a favorable direction. The Presidential election is now deciding between a two right-wingers, one of which is slightly less in favor of cooperation with the neighbor to the West...

I'm ignorant of German politics. What does this mean as far as Germany's involvement in Iraq?No change whatsoever.

Just read the CNN report, and I realised something: can't the media ever mention Germany without bringing up the war?

The deal is expected to pave the way for detailed coalition talks and the formation of Germany's second "grand coalition" between its top two parties since World War II.

See, why not the second "grand coalition" between its top two parties in the nation's history.?

I hope they crack down on immigration a bit...You have no clue how badly immigrants get treated in Germany, do you? It's pretty disgusting...

No change whatsoever.
Do you think there will be any significant foreign policy shifts at all?

I'm ignorant of German politics. What does this mean as far as Germany's involvement in Iraq?
Not only will we stay well away, but Merkel has also pledged that there is no way in hell that Germany will get involved in any military solution in the Iran case.
Give that another nudge to the left thanks to the SPD getting the foreign ministry, and you're just about there.

Nah, I don't reckon they should. The EU handles that bit, and at any rate, we'd only stand to get more people to pay for all them old bastards...

Well, I might sound racist, but I think that Germany should be the land of the Germans. I don't like the idea of 50% of the population being turkish.

Poland isn't going into a favorable direction. The Presidential election is now deciding between a two right-wingers, one of which is slightly less in favor of cooperation with the neighbor to the West...

Yeah, but I wasn't considering diplomacy.. just regional politics, which seem to be shifting to the right in some areas of Europe.. kinda bucks the trend.

Just read the CNN report, and I realised something: can't the media ever mention Germany without bringing up the war?

The deal is expected to pave the way for detailed coalition talks and the formation of Germany's second "grand coalition" between its top two parties since World War II.

See, why not the second "grand coalition" between its top two parties in the nation's history.?Chill. "...since the founding of the federal republic." would have been better, but that wouldn't mean much to the average viewer.

There's hope for Hilary Clinton then :p

You have no clue how badly immigrants get treated in Germany, do you? It's pretty disgusting...

And yet, the government still lets them flood in like flies onto poop. That's what I hate about these governments; they don't give the people what they want.

Not only will we stay well away, but Merkel has also pledged that there is no way in hell that Germany will get involved in any military solution in the Iran case.
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I can absolutely support a nations choice to not want to go to war, but isn't it kinda silly to tell Iran ahead of time that Germany won't hold them accountable? I mean, she could have at least lied, but I suppose saying what she did was the only way to get as many votes as she did.

Do you think there will be any significant foreign policy shifts at all?Nope. Maybe things will be a wee bit chillier with Russia, but that would mainly be because Putin's best buddy is no longer in power. Towards Turkey, maybe. EU policy is supposedly going to Edmund Stoiber, who is adamantly against Turkey entering the EU as a member. But the foreign ministry is going to the SPD (which would be a change, since the Greens had it before, but I doubt there would be a drastic shift anywhere).

And yet, the government still lets them flood in like flies onto poop. That's what I hate about these governments; they don't give the people what they want.No they don't. You have no clue how immigrants get treated here.

Let´s wait and see after the election in the Bundestag...as a german proverbial saying "in a week there´s much water flowing down the rhine", and we have had similar elections busted before...think of Simonis?

Aber gut das wir jetzt soweit sind :D

Well, I might sound racist, but I think that Germany should be the land of the Germans. I don't like the idea of 50% of the population being turkish.
I read a good piece in the Zeit a while back written by Helmut Schmidt about how we need to reassess our view of what consitutes German anyways.
He also pointed out that Germany never was ethnically or culturally homogenous, that even if the "good old days" after 1871 there were more than three million Poles etc living in Germany as German citizens.
As long as the principles/language/history stay the same, I don't think it makes a difference what colour people have, or whether they have blond or black hair.

No they don't. You have no clue how immigrants get treated here.

Well, if it's anything like France, they'll have their own little suburb in Berlin, where crimes rates are the highest in Europe and natives German fear to tread.

Yeah, but I wasn't considering diplomacy.. just regional politics, which seem to be shifting to the right in some areas of Europe.. kinda bucks the trend.Europe is so interwoven that diplomacy features big time. The US only has two counties bordering it. Germany has nine. And Germany is a lot smaller than the US. The same goes for many other countries in Europe, especially in the EU.

Well, if it's anything like France, they'll have their own little suburb in Berlin, where crimes rates are the highest in Europe and natives German fear to tread.Maybe you should come and visit some of the refugee camps here then. It's very different.

I read a good piece in the Zeit a while back written by Helmut Schmidt about how we need to reassess our view of what consitutes German anyways.
He also pointed out that Germany never was ethnically or culturally homogenous, that even if the "good old days" after 1871 there were more than three million Poles etc living in Germany as German citizens.
As long as the principles/language/history stay the same, I don't think it makes a difference what colour people have, or whether they have blond or black hair.

Well, it was the German Empire, wasn't it? The definition of empire is one nation ruling over others. And those nations would have different nationalities living in them.

But things have changed, and I think Germany should be the land of the GERMANS. Who are any people descent of a Germanic tribe.

Let´s wait and see after the election in the Bundestag...as a german proverbial saying "in a week there´s much water flowing down the rhine", and we have had similar elections busted before...think of Simonis?

Aber gut das wir jetzt soweit sind :DThat election was a bit closer, but I would like to see how Münte is going to get the party base to vote for Merkel. There's still plenty people unwilling to vote for her.

Well, it was the German Empire, wasn't it? The definition of empire is one nation ruling over others. And those nations would have different nationalities living in them.

But things have changed, and I think Germany should be the land of the GERMANS. Who are any people descent of a Germanic tribe.That sounds a lot like "Heim ins Reich" to me...

Maybe you should come and visit some of the refugee camps here then. It's very different.

And... why the hell are there refugee camps in Germany? Nobody has the natural right to seek refuge in Germany. If people must seek refuge, put it somewhere on their continent.

I'm assuming you mean Africans, so what the hell is wrong with Egypt?

That election was a bit closer, but I would like to see how Münte is going to get the party base to vote for Merkel. There's still plenty people unwilling to vote for her.

Guess so...btw, what happened to your "Fädchen"-Thread?

one thing your all forgetting is that schroder could have gotten into power again........

if he'd gone leftwards and allied with the new left party and the greens

hell just the left party would have done it

they exploded onto the scene this election

going from 2 seats to 54

schroder as he refused to allign with a left wing party lost

well the fact that egypt has a corrupt and brutal regime that people flee to europe to escape from......

And... why the hell are there refugee camps in Germany? Nobody has the natural right to seek refuge in Germany. If people must seek refuge, put it somewhere on their continent.

I'm assuming you mean Africans, so what the hell is wrong with Egypt?Turks, former Yugoslavs, Albanians, and Africans... Mainly the first three. There's a refugee camp "run" by the Caritas in Munich quite close to one of the swimmingpools. These are people who seek refuge in Germany and whose status hasn't been decided on. Until then, they get to pay for living in cramped containers with shitty hygienic facilities. The only reason the kids have a good playground again is because my scout troop there built one for them.
It's quite disgusting how people are treated there, really.

Well, I might sound racist, but I think that Germany should be the land of the Germans. I don't like the idea of 50% of the population being turkish.

Ben de memnun oldum.. :p

Germany's no different than the rest of Europe.. the white population is doing like the Tasmanian tribes did a while back, accepting voluntary extinction, while your neighbors fill the gap. We get Mexicans, you get Turks. ;)

Guess so...btw, what happened to your "Fädchen"-Thread?Haven't been there in three days... I'll look into it. ;)

Egypt is already exceeding its population capacity.

The first female German Chancellor - this is good. Otherwise, I'm disappointed. I'd also point out to Pepe Dominguez that Europe isn't shifting to the right: Norway and Spain recently moved leftwards and I get the sense here in the Uk that, though the Conservatives have strengthened a little, the population as a whole is moving slightly to the left.

Well, it was the German Empire, wasn't it? The definition of empire is one nation ruling over others. And those nations would have different nationalities living in them.
No it wasn't. Prussia was the de facto power that united the small principalities, thanks to Bismarck's skillful diplomacy. But all those little countries were German ones, from Bavaria to various Westphalias.
Those foreigners weren't second-class citizens, they just happened to want to live in the biggest nation in Europe (if you don't count Russia), and they did a lot of good work.

But things have changed, and I think Germany should be the land of the GERMANS. Who are any people descent of a Germanic tribe.
I don't descend from a Germanic tribe. Do you descend from a Germanic tribe?
No one can prove these silly things.
And do you know where the word "deutsch" comes from? It's a linguistic term. Merely a group of people who happened to speak similar languages. No ethnicity, just language. Which is why it's best to teach immigrants German.
And besides, the plan wasn't to discuss the ethnic make-up of past or future Germanies... ;)

Oh, yeah, I forgot: Kievan-Prussia, Austria has a Germanic population but I don't think they're too keen on a unified land of Germanic peoples...

wern't the german people originally immegrant tribes from the east driven westwards by the huns and mongols..........

also everyone in europe has come from turky (and the surrounding area) origionally (well unless your from south east asia, africa or america)

so think of it as history repeating..........

we all wen't there and buggerd their countries up

and your complaining about them comming to do all teh jobs you don't want to do?

Egypt is already exceeding its population capacity.

The first female German Chancellor - this is good. Otherwise, I'm disappointed. I'd also point out to Pepe Dominguez that Europe isn't shifting to the right: Norway and Spain recently moved leftwards and I get the sense here in the Uk that, though the Conservatives have strengthened a little, the population as a whole is moving slightly to the left.

Yes, I was aware of Spain kicking out Aznar (sp?).. but Greece, the U.K., Poland and Germany all took a slight right turn after the whole Spanish thing.. not sure about Norway though.. although Scandinavia's always on the liberal frontier, so that's kind of a given.

I don't descend from a Germanic tribe. Do you descend from a Germanic tribe?
No one can prove these silly things.

Yes, I'm Alemmanisch.

and your complaining about them comming to do all teh jobs you don't want to do?No one in their right mind does that. We have laws preventing stuff like that from happening. It's the Poles taking our jobs that bothers us :p (outsourcing just across the border...).

Oh, yeah, I forgot: Kievan-Prussia, Austria has a Germanic population but I don't think they're too keen on a unified land of Germanic peoples...

That's because they're unwilling to share power. It's been like that since the Habsburgs and the Hohenzollerns.

wern't the german people originally immegrant tribes from the east driven westwards by the huns and mongols..........

Actually, we came south from the Nordic countries, as far as I know.

Yes, I was aware of Spain kicking out Aznar (sp?).. but Greece, the U.K., Poland and Germany all took a slight right turn after the whole Spanish thing.. not sure about Norway though.. although Scandinavia's always on the liberal frontier, so that's kind of a given.Wrong. Germany took a left turn. The government is a "forced marriage" between the two largest parties.

Yes, I'm Alemmanisch.
Sure you are.
But not in an ethnic term. There haven't been any alamanni for 1200 years, when Karl Martell grabbed them and turned them into Francs.
I want to see your family tree if you think you can trace it back to the 8th century AD.

That's because they're unwilling to share power. It's been like that since the Habsburgs and the Hohenzollerns.It's been that way since the end of the war...

Sure you are.
But not in an ethnic term. There haven't been any alamanni for 1200 years, when Karl Martell grabbed them and turned them into Francs.
I want to see your family tree if you think you can trace it back to the 8th century AD.

Annexing a nation doesn't automatically make that nation ethnically the same as the conquerors. Within Germany there are many tribes right now. Alemanni, Bavarians, Frisians, etc.

Besides, I don't think it's so likely that my lineage is 1200 years old. I can trace my Ukrainian half back at least 200 years, probably 400.

In the UK the Lib Dems gained 11 seats and 22% of the vote. That made them the largest party to gain votes over the results of the last election.

And in Germany which party made the biggest gains both in hard numbers and percentages? Die Linkspartei did. CDU/CSU lost almost as many seats as the SPD did. Not a shift to the right once you look at the whole picture.

yeah but you all consider your selves german right.......

i'm welsh, with english parents, english and indian grand parents, welsh english and german great grandparents, and Irish, german, polish, english, great grand parents........

i've got a little bit of everything in me

but i'm still British.......

we all speak the same language (well almost) and we all have much the same culture........

and we vote for the same government (wether the ones we want get elected is another mater)

thank you cariebbean

yeah but you all consider your selves german right.......Half-German... :p

Annexing a nation doesn't automatically make that nation ethnically the same as the conquerors.
After 1200 years it does. Look at the Arab world now.

Within Germany there are many tribes right now. Alemanni, Bavarians, Frisians, etc.
But there's no ethnic differences between them. And besides, the Vandals were a Germanic tribe. They ended up in North Africa - are you in favour of letting Morrocans and Tunesians in?

Besides, I don't think it's so likely that my lineage is 1200 years old. I can trace my Ukrainian half back at least 200 years, probably 400.
Ukrainian, hey? Didn't you just say Germany should only be for Germans?

EDIT: And I decided I'm not going to answer anymore racial cleansing-type questions. You yourself considered it a problem that the war was brought up, now you advocate kicking everyone out who isn't an ethnically certifiable "pure" German?
Considering that I am genetically not in the least different from an Italian, a Dutch, a French, a Polish or a British person, I would consider race the very last criterion for deciding whether a person qualifies as "German".

Yes, I was aware of Spain kicking out Aznar (sp?).. but Greece, the U.K., Poland and Germany all took a slight right turn after the whole Spanish thing.. not sure about Norway though.. although Scandinavia's always on the liberal frontier, so that's kind of a given.
Don't know where you got the idea that the UK has moved to the right. The Conservatives got more seats but their share of the vote was pretty much unchanged.

the uk has gone rightwards in main party politics......

mainly as the old leftwing party went right

but the people have gone leftwards

this is why RESPECT is doing quite well

and huge numbers are demonstrating

its because they don't think the main parties are any different from each other

Furthermore, the "Wählerwille" (stupid concept btw) did not express the wish for a big coalition. The small parties were the winners of this election.

Frankly, I'm disappointed at the results. Although I'm sure it will be fun to watch Stoiber desperately trying to act like a diplomay... from a safe distance here in Ireland. ;)

Frankly, I'm disappointed at the results. Although I'm sure it will be fun to watch Stoiber desperately trying to act like a diplomay... from a safe distance here in Ireland. ;)Diplomacy has its way of reaching even the farthest corners of the Earth, nowadays... :p

Diplomacy has its way of reaching even the farthest corners of the Earth, nowadays... :p

The good thing about Ireland is that it's politically so very unimportant that everybody more or less seems to leave it alone. I do enjoy that, after Germany...

Furthermore, the "Wählerwille" (stupid concept btw) did not express the wish for a big coalition. The small parties were the winners of this election.
How?
The FDP only scored the votes that came from the CDU/CSU - those that didn't want a big coaliton.
The Greens didn't do much different than to their previous results - plus they've lost Fischer now.
The Lefties, yes, they scored. God damn them thrice over. And their stupid voters. :headbang:

I wanted a grand coalition...that way we hopefully get the best of both worlds.

After 1200 years it does. Look at the Arab world now.

It depends on whether the ethnicities blend. In the case of the Alemannisch, it didn't. If it did, we'd be speaking French and there would never have beena squabble over Alsace and Lorraine (since they would have been overwhelmingly French).

Ukrainian, hey? Didn't you just say Germany should only be for Germans?

So what? All white people are the same. I'm half-half anyway.

Considering that I am genetically not in the least different from an Italian, a Dutch, a French, a Polish or a British person, I would consider race the very last criterion for deciding whether a person qualifies as "German".

All those are ok. They're all white, they're all related to the German very closely, they don't immigrate en masse and they mix with ethnic Germans. So eventually their descendants will become German. Do you really think that turks and africans are interested in intergrating? Learning the language? Coexisting with Western culture? Not bloody likely.

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Wolfgang Schäuble (some may remember him from such governments as "Helmut Kohl" and such incidences as the assassination attempt that left him in a wheel chair...) gets the Interior Minister.

...
Isn't he too ill to serve as a minister? Although such question is, I admit, naive; I'm a person who lived in the USSR in the middle of the 80s. :)

OH MY FREAKING GOD.

a) I can't believe even this thread turned into some kind of a, ahem, uber-germans against the sensible rest debate

b)is there any country out there, preferably represented by some nice NSer with a political compass with an below -5 rating on boht axes willing to grant me refuge? i shall not want to live in this my own country anymore..

All those are ok. They're all white, they're all related to the German very closely, they don't immigrate en masse and they mix with ethnic Germans. So eventually their descendants will become German. Do you really think that turks and africans are interested in intergrating? Learning the language? Coexisting with Western culture? Not bloody likely.

I dunno.. I know a bunch of Filipinos who were born in Germany and are pretty fiercely German now.. my step-sister is one of them.. she's been in the U.S. now for almost a year and still has that damned accent, too.. I mean, at least it's a Northern German accent, not really an annoying one, but c'mon.. she won't even try to drop the accent. She considers herself culturally German even though she only lived there her first 15 years, so maybe there's hope for 2nd Generation Turk-Germans to assimilate..

OH MY FREAKING GOD.

a) I can't believe even this thread turned into some kind of a, ahem, uber-germans against the sensible rest debate

b)is there any country out there, preferably represented by some nice NSer with a political compass with an below -5 rating on boht axes willing to grant me refuge? i shall not want to live in this my own country anymore..

Come over here... it's a nice place for a refugee German to be.

So what? All white people are the same. I'm half-half anyway.



All those are ok. They're all white, they're all related to the German very closely, they don't immigrate en masse and they mix with ethnic Germans. So eventually their descendants will become German. Do you really think that turks and africans are interested in intergrating? Learning the language? Coexisting with Western culture? Not bloody likely.

Well, if there is one group that obviously isn't interested in assimilating in any way in Germany, it's the Russian-Germans. They were granted citizenship for dubious reasons ("My great-grandmother once owned a German Shepard! I'm German!"), they don't ever learn the language, form ghettos and have a strong tendency to form violent minorities in whatever area they settle.

I'll take the Turks anyday, really.

I dunno.. I know a bunch of Filipinos who were born in Germany and are pretty fiercely German now.. my step-sister is one of them.. she's been in the U.S. now for almost a year and still has that damned accent, too.. I mean, at least it's a Northern German accent, not really an annoying one, but c'mon.. she won't even try to drop the accent. She considers herself culturally German even though she only lived there her first 15 years, so maybe there's hope for 2nd Generation Turk-Germans to assimilate..

No really, no immigrant ever assimilates fully, and I can assure you that is someone considers themselves to be "ethnic", they are not British, German etc. they are merely here for welfare payments

No really, no immigrant ever assimilates fully, and I can assure you that is someone considers themselves to be "ethnic", they are not British, German etc. they are merely here for welfare payments

I dunno, she was born there... she's half-German, and kinda absorbed the German culture.. I'm gradually shaming her out of it of course.. but she's 16, and I say it's best to abandon a foreign accent when you're young.. she's made almost no progress in her first year in America, despite going to public school and only speaking German at home..

You gotta get to them when they're young or it's hopeless.. My step-grandmother on the other side is an extreme example... she's almost 70 years old and STILL has an Irish accent, despite leaving Ireland FIFTY years ago, and never going back once. If I were an Italian, I'd pop her one in the jaw, but she's old, and I don't believe in violence toward women.. frustrating though.

I got nothing against asians, as long as they don't overrun the native population.

Lemme tell you about the situation here in Aus. There's four groups; the Aussies, the Wogs, the Asians and the rest.

The Aussies started the country. Nothing would be here if they didn't come, they were here first.

The Wogs built the suburbs. Before us, there was mostly just grass, with the occasional industry and city.

The Asians opened a ****load of shops. They stimulated the economy.

The rest just sit on welfare and leech off us hardworkers.

The Asians opened a ****load of shops. They stimulated the economy.

The rest just sit on welfare and leech off us hardworkers.

Dude.. I gotta hear an asian with an Australian accent at least once before I die.. :p It's officially on my List.

That'd be the funniest thing ever.. even funnier than the time I heard a black guy speaking fluent Korean when I was downtown.. and that was hysterical.

OK, I haven't read most of this thread, but my initial reaction is

Oh My God, No!

Is this the worst thing to happen to Europe since...the UK rejected Maastricht and the Single Currency?

I mean, great, just what Europe needs, its most powerful state controlled by someone subscribes to Reagan/Thatcher era Friedman-inspired economic policy. Great.

We've already got the Labour party trying to force similar stuff through here, and now we've got someone even more right-wing on the continent to support it there. Brilliant.

Personally, I'm beginning to think there's no hope for Europe.

When I first glanced over this, I thought it said " It is done: Melkor is Chancellor!" :p

I got nothing against asians, as long as they don't overrun the native population.

Lemme tell you about the situation here in Aus. There's four groups; the Aussies, the Wogs, the Asians and the rest.

The Aussies started the country. Nothing would be here if they didn't come, they were here first.

The Wogs built the suburbs. Before us, there was mostly just grass, with the occasional industry and city.

The Asians opened a ****load of shops. They stimulated the economy.

The rest just sit on welfare and leech off us hardworkers.


If I remember correctly, the Aussies DID overrun the native population... :rolleyes:

Frankly, I'm disappointed at the results. Although I'm sure it will be fun to watch Stoiber desperately trying to act like a diplomay... from a safe distance here in Ireland. ;)

Got a place free? :p

OK, I haven't read most of this thread, but my initial reaction is

Oh My God, No!

Is this the worst thing to happen to Europe since...the UK rejected Maastricht and the Single Currency?

I mean, great, just what Europe needs, its most powerful state controlled by someone subscribes to Reagan/Thatcher era Friedman-inspired economic policy. Great.

We've already got the Labour party trying to force similar stuff through here, and now we've got someone even more right-wing on the continent to support it there. Brilliant.

Personally, I'm beginning to think there's no hope for Europe.

The last Grand Coalition lasted about three years. Given the leadership of all the parties at the moment, I would be surprised if this one lasts that long. The parties are a little to dissimaler and the current leaders only did this because they won't deal with Die Linkspartei. SPD's loss oh well.

The last Grand Coalition lasted about three years. Given the leadership of all the parties at the moment, I would be surprised if this one lasts that long. The parties are a little to dissimaler and the current leaders only did this because they won't deal with Die Linkspartei. SPD's loss oh well.Ah but that one was formed during a Chancellor's reign and lasted until the next elections. It will be interesting to see if the two parties that hacked away at eachother so diligently will manage to get anything done, but I suppose that's why only four people are partaking in the talks...

I don't know why I keep thinking her name is "Merkin".

For the briefest of moments I thought this thread said "Melkor is Chancellor"! :D

Like I said, I keep thinking "Merkin"
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_232.html

So Thatcher Woman won. Woo. :mad:

So Thatcher Woman won. Woo. :mad:The CDU has 2 ministries less than the SPD in the deal, so it's not too bad (yet).

yeah but the SPD have been neo-libralising so don't think thats gonna change anything

Germany's no different than the rest of Europe.. the white population is doing like the Tasmanian tribes did a while back, accepting voluntary extinction, while your neighbors fill the gap. We get Mexicans, you get Turks. ;)

You know, the concept of "race suicide" died out at the beginning of last century...


The Aussies started the country. Nothing would be here if they didn't come, they were here first.


Uhm, no. The Aboriginals have been living in Australia for a few hundred thousand years.

Merkel's chancellorship won't matter a bit, as the Bundestag is so divided. Worse, Merkel's own cabinet will be divided. This is probably even worse, at least in my mind, than a win for Schroeder.

The rest just sit on welfare and leech off us hardworkers.
That would be the Bogans then...

I can absolutely support a nations choice to not want to go to war, but isn't it kinda silly to tell Iran ahead of time that Germany won't hold them accountable? I mean, she could have at least lied, but I suppose saying what she did was the only way to get as many votes as she did.
I know it was a Prussian who had the idea that war is a part of politics (even though it's generally misinterpreted), but modern Germany makes a clear distinction.
We've been screwed enough by war to keep it out of the list forever.
Germany will go as far as it needs to - but war is not even on the same playing field.
Apart from that it is currently pretty impossible to do any more than destroy Iranian reactors Israeli-Style.

Isn't he too ill to serve as a minister? Although such question is, I admit, naive; I'm a person who lived in the USSR in the middle of the 80s. :)
Naw, he seems all right. He's already been interior minister under big man Kohl, so he knows what he's doing.
I reckon he's probably more likely to keep civil liberties intact than Schily was.

Uhm, no. The Aboriginals have been living in Australia for a few hundred thousand years.

Yes, because they really built anything.

And it's 40000 years.

That would be the Bogans then...

africans and arabs, actually.

There's hope for Hilary Clinton then :p

Whats hillary have to do with German politics? I would suggest leaving that 6 letter word out of it. Sounds like they have there hands full already.

africans and arabs, actually.
http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/CIB/1996-97/97cib16.htm#SETTLEMENT
:rolleyes:

Yes, because they really built anything.


And the relevance of that remark would be... ?

And the relevance of that remark would be... ?

The fact that we Europeans made the nation?

http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/CIB/1996-97/97cib16.htm#SETTLEMENT
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I don't get it. It says that Asians work alot. So?

I don't get it. It says that Asians work alot. So?
It also says that 511,000 of the 724,000 people on unemployment benefits are Australian born.
And that Arabs and Africans have to share with the entire rest of the world the 146,000 places.

And that therefore your statement, that the Arabs and the Africans and all the other non-Whites are on the dole and you have to work for them, is incorrect.