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anyone out there ever use it? is it any good? what was your experience like?

Please don't ever be stupid enough to try it. That, opium, heroin, Angel Dust, and intravenious drugs are to be avoided.

Please don't ever be stupid enough to try it. That, opium, heroin, Angel Dust, and intravenious drugs are to be avoided.
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That and you damn meth users prevent me from purchasing large quantities of my favorite sick drug, pseudoephedrine.

if you must use drugs keep it to weed,shrooms and acid
anything injected or snorted is generally something to be avoided as a rule of thumb

I abused it for a while. I have a hole in my heart now and various other heatlh problems, my teeth started falling out, I picked holes in my face, I have migraines now, and did I mention the big whoppin hole in my heart that they can't fix so I have to deal with the pain and the fact that my blood just squirts out of it and so I am really anemic all the time, almost to the point of needing blood and that it makes me tired and I can't run, jump and play with my kids as much as I like and that it screwed up my metabolism so now I am fatter than I have ever been and it is harder to lose the weight, or did I mention how I almost died, or that how I still want it every day? even though I know better?!


My advice. It is baaaaaddd stuff, stay away from it, stay away from people who do it, and remember no high is worth ruining the rest of your life over, you can't control it, it controls you.

Small doses 5-15 mil of dextromethamphetamine are a godsend if you're ADHD taking physics finals.....

I abused it for a while. I have a hole in my heart now and various other heatlh problems, my teeth started falling out, I picked holes in my face, I have migraines now, and did I mention the big whoppin hole in my heart that they can't fix so I have to deal with the pain and the fact that my blood just squirts out of it and so I am really anemic all the time, almost to the point of needing blood and that it makes me tired and I can't run, jump and play with my kids as much as I like and that it screwed up my metabolism so now I am fatter than I have ever been and it is harder to lose the weight, or did I mention how I almost died, or that how I still want it every day? even though I know better?!


My advice. It is baaaaaddd stuff, stay away from it, stay away from people who do it, and remember no high is worth ruining the rest of your life over, you can't control it, it controls you.
(clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap) congrats, on learning something everyday, and your kids better off with you a former adict, ill be darn surprised if they ever do it, that isnt sarcasm.
and to the creater of this thread, for makeing another wierdo coming out of the closet, and i mean wierdo in a lack of a better word, for the record.

anyone out there ever use it? is it any good? what was your experience like?
Hmmm.... taking a drug whose main production components are Anhydrous Ammonia, Red Phosphorous, Psudoephedrine and (IIRC) Nitric Acid?

Yummy. :rolleyes:

Staying up for three or four days straight, unable to sleep, not wanting to eat, and tweaking so hard that scraping red phosphorous off of match heads seems like a good idea?

Fun. :rolleyes:

Rotting teeth, skin pitting that makes terminal acne seem like smooth skin, wishing you could put on a few pounds so you could look like Keith Richards, smelling like cat piss...

Sexy. :rolleyes:

Of course, there's always Death and Jail, but hey - it's your life. Fuck it up however you want... just don't expect sympathy when you do.

(I've helped rehab tweakers...please don't do deth - no high is worth that) :eek:

NOTE: This post does not constitute an incitement to possess control substances.

I use it in small doses for practical, not hedonistic, reasons, and I find it's fine. It generally leaves me a bit mucky the next day, and, yes, it really does whack your teeth, but otherwise it's ok. Ultimately, though, I know it's doing crazy shit to my heart and God knows what else, and it's not something I'd recommend doing. I can't say what it is like as a trip drug, but I doubt it's be much of anything. You're probably ok without it.

(Meth = American for speed, right? If not, ignore me.)

if you must use drugs keep it to weed,shrooms and acid
anything injected or snorted is generally something to be avoided as a rule of thumb
Acid is just as bad as meth as far as I’m concerned. Shrooms and pot are alright.

While I’ve never personally used meth, living out in the sticks where its popular, I’ve seen it mess up some people severely.

Hmmm.... taking a drug whose main production components are Anhydrous Ammonia, Red Phosphorous, Psudoephedrine and (IIRC) Nitric Acid?


You forgot Trisodium Phosphate, AKA Driveway Cleaner.

If you're gonna do it, make sure its the light brown stuff, much nicer buzz. Its actually Meth Katithinone, but most Jibheads (Jib=local term for meth) haven't a clue anyway...

But seriously, don't do it it. It isn't called rich mans crack without reason. I used to make the stuff but fortunately I seem to be naturally immune to its effects, so I never used it except as spice for my weed now and again. (I was also strung out on Morphine @ the time..which may have been what made me immune to meth's effects) The by-products of its manufacture qualify as toxic waste, and so too does the drug itself. The lengths I had to go to to dispose of the by-products were insane. If I just dumped them in the woods, anything in a 20 foot radius of where I dumped the shit would die within days. Use roach spray, its safer. Better yet, put a loaded shotgun in your mouth and pull the trigger. Its much less painful.

Meth turns people into evil maniacs. The things I've seen people do while on meth leave me cold to this day. I'm not talking about what people do for the drug, I'm talking about what people do just for kicks while on it. A friend of mine was killed by a jibhead for the simple reason that he did his job (he was bouncer) and refused to let this prick into the club without a thorough search. So the jibhead shot him. Just like that. The shit destroys our soul. Hell, it destroyed my soul just from making it...I certainly wouldn't be alive today if I'd continued in that line of work. I'm lucky I got out of it.

Just being around someone on meth is dangerous enough. Actually being on it is like long-term suicide. I know there are other people on NS whose lives have been touched by meth in a terrible way, hopefully they'll add their experiences to the ones already shared.

Acid is just as bad as meth as far as I’m concerned. Shrooms and pot are alright.

While I’ve never personally used meth, living out in the sticks where its popular, I’ve seen it mess up some people severely.

actually acid doesn't form a physical addiction like meth does and it doesn't make people violent or have as many health risks (much less)

Small doses 5-15 mil of dextromethamphetamine are a godsend if you're ADHD taking physics finals.....
Real smart advice there, "doctor". :rolleyes: Anything else you'd care to prescribe?

NOTE: This post does not constitute an incitement to possess control substances.
(Meth = American for speed, right? If not, ignore me.)
Yes and no.

If you ask for speed on the street, ghod knows what you will get. Anything from Cafine to Ritalin to Quibberon to ProVigil to coke to meth - and or some funky mixes.

IMO street Meth (usually "nazi-method") is possibly the worst chemical coctail a human can ingest short of nerve-gas.

If you must be a hamster, stick with Quibberon (time release epinephrine & a bronchial diolator... marathon food...) or ProVigil (anti narcolepsy, chemically clean pharma grade methamphetamine...). At least neither will kill you outright... unless you take more than 2...

Ghod I hate street drugs. :headbang:

Meth turns people into evil maniacs. The things I've seen people do while on meth leave me cold to this day. I'm not talking about what people do for the drug, I'm talking about what people do just for kicks while on it. A friend of mine was killed by a jibhead for the simple reason that he did his job (he was bouncer) and refused to let this prick into the club without a thorough search. So the jibhead shot him. Just like that. The shit destroys our soul. Hell, it destroyed my soul just from making it...I certainly wouldn't be alive today if I'd continued in that line of work. I'm lucky I got out of it.

Just being around someone on meth is dangerous enough. Actually being on it is like long-term suicide. I know there are other people on NS whose lives have been touched by meth in a terrible way, hopefully they'll add their experiences to the ones already shared.

Hitler was on Meth (and a whole host of other drugs prescribed by a quack doctor). Just an interesting historical fact.

Well actually Junior dextromethamphetamine AKA D-isomer methamphetamine AKA Dexadrine IS prescribed by doctors for extreme cases of ADHD. Not having a script it can be aquired elsewhere though.

Real smart advice there, "doctor". :rolleyes: Anything else you'd care to prescribe?
You mean like Ritalin? :rolleyes:

I come from the state ranked #1 for meth labs, so of course having the bad judgement I do I have friends on meth (never letting vito drive my car again)

Well actually Junior dextromethamphetamine AKA D-isomer methamphetamine AKA Dexadrine IS prescribed by doctors for extreme cases of ADHD. Not having a script it can be aquired elsewhere though.
I think you ought to seriously reconsider dispensing dosing recommendations for dextromethamphetamines to people you don't know on an online forum. You could put some other dumb schmuck in hospital, you dumb schmuck.

And I've fucked around with dex, it's not something to casually suggest people take up.

Dummy.

Hitler was on Meth (and a whole host of other drugs prescribed by a quack doctor). Just an interesting historical fact.


Yeah, I was aware of that already...glad you mentioned it. It believe it was developed by the Nazis as a kind of combat drug (note I said developed, not created) A lot of of the SS units were full of tweakers. (much of this may be entirely apocryphal, but Hitler was definitely on Methamphetamine for many many years)

I think you ought to seriously reconsider dispensing dosing recommendations for dextromethamphetamines to people you don't know on an online forum. You could put some other dumb schmuck in hospital, you dumb schmuck.

And I've fucked around with dex, it's not something to casually suggest people take up.

Dummy.
5 mil (ya'know the dose I recomended) is'nt going to put anyone in the hospital. Matter of fact you won't even get 'high' off of it. The 15 mills will do even less as they are a 12 hour time release. Obviously you messed around with meth without reading the clinicals (which are also available online) I'd make some derogatory comment on your intellect (rather lack thereof) but I beleive you are making that apparent for me.
Ta' junior.

Yeah, I was aware of that already...glad you mentioned it. It believe it was developed by the Nazis as a kind of combat drug (note I said developed, not created) A lot of of the SS units were full of tweakers. (much of this may be entirely apocryphal, but Hitler was definitely on Methamphetamine for many many years)
snippy:
One variation is called the "Nazi method" because it supposedly mirrors a meth-making procedure followed by the Germans during World War II. Instead of hydriodic acid, the Nazi method uses anhydrous ammonia, a chemical found in fertilizer and often stored in large tanks on farms.

As for yummy cheminals in street meth...

Ephedrine (Cold Tablets)
Pseudoephedrine (Cold Tablets)
Acetone
Alcohol (Isopropyl or Rubbing)
Toluene (Brake Cleaner)
Ether (Engine Starter)
Sulfuric Acid (Drain Cleaner)
Methanol/Alcohol (Gasoline Additives)
Salt (Table/Rock)
Lithium (Batteries)
Anhydrous Ammonia (Farm Fertilizer)
Sodium Hydroxide (Lye)
Red Phosphorus (Matches/Road Flares)
Muriatic Acid
Iodine (Teat Dip or Flakes/Crystal)
Trichloroethane (Dun Scrubber)
Sodium Metal

Knew I had the list somewhere. Since cooks tend to be (A) messy and (B) unsafe, I have no problems busting kitchens. You see piles of empties of this crap and there's a cook near by.

Legal drugs = clean drugs... and no exploding houses.

5 mil (ya'know the dose I recomended) is'nt going to put anyone in the hospital. Matter of fact you won't even get 'high' off of it. The 15 mills will do even less as they are a 12 hour time release. Obviously you messed around with meth without reading the clinicals (which are also available online) I'd make some derogatory comment on your intellect (rather lack thereof) but I beleive you are making that apparent for me.
Ta' junior.
Well if you're going to take me out with the trash, maybe the fact that I used dex in 1989 - pretty much before everything except ARAPNET - might give you some pause. In any event, it's one thing to recommend someone look into a family of drugs in general terms, and invite them to research it/provide them with reputable links providing research, and going right ahead and telling people exactly how much of what specific chemical to take to achieve some supposed result - all without knowing so much as that person's real name, let alone knowing anything about their medical histories.

I don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to spot an irresponsible dick when I see one. Dick.

Well if you're going to take me out with the trash, maybe the fact that I used dex in 1989 - pretty much before everything except ARAPNET - might give you some pause. In any event, it's one thing to recommend someone look into a family of drugs in general terms, and invite them to research it/provide them with reputable links providing research, and going right ahead and telling people exactly how much of what specific chemical to take to achieve some supposed result - all without knowing so much as that person's real name, let alone knowing anything about their medical histories.

I don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to spot an irresponsible dick when I see one. Dick.
Riiight so obviously the best approach would be to provide innacurate or misleading information about drugs. Because that WORKED SO WELL IN THE PAST> Laost a lot of braincells in '89 did we?

actually acid doesn't form a physical addiction like meth does and it doesn't make people violent or have as many health risks (much less)
Ever heard of a permanent acid trip?
Bullets aren’t addictive, but they kill you all the same.

Ever heard of a permanent acid trip?
Bullets aren’t addictive, but they kill you all the same.

I've never heard of anyone tripping permanently and what do bullets have to do with anything, if you're talking about meth then yeah you got red necks with rifles but most of the acid,shroom and weed dealers I've met are really laid back,hippie you could call them (definitely not violent people)

Please don't ever be stupid enough to try it. That, opium, heroin, Angel Dust, and intravenious drugs are to be avoided.

Meth = BAD. I've never done it, but I've seen enough friends on it to know it should be avoided.

Opium = BAD, but only if you are with people who are not cool. I've done opium twice, once good and once bad. Personally, I did not find it particularly "addictive", but that could vary from person to person. My good experience was worth repeating, however.

Heroin = Fucking STUPID.

Angel Dust... Hmmm.... I don't know for sure, but I'd be willing to give that a try.

Anything intravenous is way too much for me. I'll stick to things that don't involve sticking, thank you.

Well if you're going to take me out with the trash, maybe the fact that I used dex in 1989 .
Bennies & Dexies & Reds - Oh My!
Bennies & Dexies & Reds - Oh My!

Actually Dobbs, that explains rather a lot about you... :p ;)

Besides, PaulJeekistan is talking about Pharma grade, not street. No way in hell you are going to be able to measure a clean 5 - 15 (time release yet) from Ice.

Riiight so obviously the best approach would be to provide innacurate or misleading information about drugs. Because that WORKED SO WELL IN THE PAST> Laost a lot of braincells in '89 did we?
No, the best approach is not to recommend people start monkeying around with chemicals in the first place, not without a doctor's say-so, at any rate. Rather than concern yourself with however many brain cells I may or may not have lost sixteen years ago, best you concern yourself with not getting some idiot messed up due to your flip, off-the-cuff advice.

I'm the one people come to when they need to be talked down off of bad trips. You're the type who manages to get people involved in the wrong drugs at the wrong time - I became a safety because of irresponsible advice handed out left right and centre by people like you.

So sue me if I'm less-than-sympathetic, "doctor".

*decides not to take notes from the posters in this thread*

*decides that if most liberal left wing anti-Christian, anti-conservative nutcases want to post a thread about using Meth and other 'crap' then that's their problem, should try to take their intellectual ability afterwards still seriously anyway :p * Or not. :eek:

I'm the one people come to when they need to be talked down off of bad trips. - I became a safety because of irresponsible advice handed out left right and centre by people like you.
Prank Call! Prank Call! (Where's my intercardial epi?......) :eek: ;)

I can't count the number of people I have had to talk down from bummers but it's not as big a number as the people who got permenantly fucked because they did'nt have any information. If as you pretend you have a clue what you're talking about you'd know that my advice was a harmless dosage infrequent enough to cause habituation and not potent enough to cause harm. But I think you're just being a prick for the heck of it.

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That and you damn meth users prevent me from purchasing large quantities of my favorite sick drug, pseudoephedrine.

i guess the makers of sudafed changed the chemical formula of pseudoephedrine to make it less um...meth-addict friendly or something. all i know that you'll be able to buy sudafed with having to sign a sheet. i found this out when i went to the supermarket.

I can't count the number of people I have had to talk down from bummers but it's not as big a number as the people who got permenantly fucked because they did'nt have any information. If as you pretend you have a clue what you're talking about you'd know that my advice was a harmless dosage infrequent enough to cause habituation and not potent enough to cause harm. But I think you're just being a prick for the heck of it.
I think you're prescribing chemicals to people you don't know in a bid to seem more worldly. And it's just plain wrong to do it.

*decides not to take notes from the posters in this thread*
*decides that if most liberal left wing anti-Christian, anti-conservative nutcases
Say what? :rolleyes:

Say what? :rolleyes:

Look at the names in this thread... think about threads past... ;)

Look at the names in this thread... think about threads past... ;)
Sorry. Don't quite get your point. Must have been a thread I missed.


edit: never mind.... now you've just made me feel lonely... :(


"I would never advocate drugs, alcohol or insanity to anyone... but they've always worked for me..." HST

I've never heard of anyone tripping permanently
I have, mental institution for the rest of her drastically shortened life.
and what do bullets have to do with anything,
It was a metaphor.

I have, mental institution for the rest of her drastically shortened life.
Interestingly, Pharma grade LSD seemed to be a good treatment for Schizophrenia before the feds permenantly banned it (after it failed as a riot-control aerosol)

What you have is a chemical that will treat schizophrenia in some people and trigger it in others - while causing temporary hallucinogenic experiences in everybody else. "Flashbacks" have never been empirically proven, but seem to be the result of taking other drugs that trigger memories of traumatic hallucinations. (ever notice that no one complains about flashbacks of good trips?)

A lot of very good research by NIMH got shelved by the Fed because of Art Linkletter....

Acid is just another tool for jumpstarting consciousness expansion. I've experimented with it fairly freely over the last thirty years, but there's less to be gained through it's use over time, on repeated trips. I don't see the point in re-treading familiar territory with any great frequency.

I'm happy to combine good strong coffee with good strong weed and an interesting conversation or two. Which reminds me, I need a refill...

Acid is just another tool for jumpstarting consciousness expansion. I've experimented with it fairly freely over the last thirty years, but there's less to be gained through it's use over time, on repeated trips. I don't see the point in re-treading familiar territory with any great frequency.

I'm happy to combine good strong coffee with good strong weed and an interesting conversation or two. Which reminds me, I need a refill...


I am SHOCKED that you would blithely recommend drug usage to an anonymous person on a public forum. Are you a docter?

I am SHOCKED that you would blithely recommend drug usage to an anonymous person on a public forum. Are you a docter?
Ahh, I recounted my own experience, and didn't recommend anything whatsoever, let alone prescribe dosages. Back off, pally.

Acid is just another tool for jumpstarting consciousness expansion. I've experimented with it fairly freely over the last thirty years, but there's less to be gained through it's use over time, on repeated trips. I don't see the point in re-treading familiar territory with any great frequency.

I'm happy to combine good strong coffee with good strong weed and an interesting conversation or two. Which reminds me, I need a refill...
Bah, the entire “conciseness expansion” thing never appealed to me, so the risk of getting caught is not worth it, at all.

Ahh, I recounted my own experience, and didn't recommend anything whatsoever, let alone prescribe dosages. Back off, pally.

You said it was a good way to expand consciousness and gave NO DOSAGE SUGGESTIONS AT ALL!!!! You might as well have told him that taking 80 micrograms could make for an interesting day in the park. Think of the CHILDREN!

Give me a few hours, a few supplies from a hardware store, a 55-gallon drum of custard and "A beginner's Guide to Acupuncture" and I can simulate the effects of any drug. :)

You said it was a good way to expand consciousness and gave NO DOSAGE SUGGESTIONS AT ALL!!!! You might as well have told him that taking 80 micrograms could make for an interesting day in the park. Think of the CHILDREN!

he never said it was good. or bad.

Quote:
Acid is just another tool for jumpstarting consciousness expansion.

Oh, man, now I have this unexplainable compulsion to OD on acid because someone said it could expand my conscious.

:rolleyes:

he never said it was good. or bad.

Quote:
Acid is just another tool for jumpstarting consciousness expansion.

Oh, man, now I have this unexplainable compulsion to OD on acid because someone said it could expand my conscious.

:rolleyes:

Yes I know it is a preposterous silly argument. It is also the exact same silly argument he was using against me while calling me names earlier in the string. There's this thing called satire ya see.....

No one has mentioned the most up and comind drug of choice, at least here in the states: ecstasy. (X, MDMA).

I agree that meth is BAAADDD news; but smoking a little pot never hurt anyone, and I have found that rollin from time to time is cool as long as you are smart: drink a lot of water, no alcohol, etc. Of course, as with any street drug, there is an abundance of poor quality or bad rip-offs of x, so I only get it from someone I really trust.

Yes I know it is a preposterous silly argument. It is also the exact same silly argument he was using against me while calling me names earlier in the string. There's this thing called satire ya see.....


Actually, no. I've been reading this thread.

You said 'if you take _____, you'll be fine/it'll help you do better in school!'

He said 'I did this a long time ago.'

See the difference?

Actually, no. I've been reading this thread.

You said 'if you take _____, you'll be fine/it'll help you do better in school!'

He said 'I did this a long time ago.'

See the difference?
I said dex was good for physics finals if you had ADHD.
He said LSD was good for expanding consciousness.
Nope I don't see a difference.

No one has mentioned the most up and comind drug of choice, at least here in the states: ecstasy. (X, MDMA).

I agree that meth is BAAADDD news; but smoking a little pot never hurt anyone, and I have found that rollin from time to time is cool as long as you are smart: drink a lot of water, no alcohol, etc. Of course, as with any street drug, there is an abundance of poor quality or bad rip-offs of x, so I only get it from someone I really trust.

You realize of course that the MA in MDMA stands for Methamphetamine don't you?

I said dex was good for physics finals if you had ADHD.
He said LSD was good for expanding consciousness.
Nope I don't see a difference.


Again, he never said it was good... he merely said it did. Not saying good OR bad.

You, however, said that if you do this, it'll help you concentrate better for a heavy final.

If you really can't see the difference, nothing anyone on this forum says can help you see it.

Again, he never said it was good... he merely said it did. Not saying good OR bad.

You, however, said that if you do this, it'll help you concentrate better for a heavy final.

If you really can't see the difference, nothing anyone on this forum says can help you see it.
Exactly. I’m sure to some people “expanding conciseness” is very appealing, but to me its meh.

Small doses 5-15 mil of dextromethamphetamine are a godsend if you're ADHD taking physics finals.....

Except for the fact that it's now illegal due to meth heads.

Exactly. I’m sure to some people “expanding conciseness” is very appealing, but to me its meh.

For some people focussing durring physics is very appealing. Most people don't want near it.

You realize of course that the MA in MDMA stands for Methamphetamine don't you?

Yes, I am aware of that. Although the chemical makeup has similar ingredients, they are in fact, VERY different substances.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA

For some people focussing durring physics is very appealing. Most people don't want near it.

I like physics.

I have a hint of ADD/ADHD.

I passed without the use of any sort of drugs.

Depending on drugs and things to focus for you only weakens your own mental capacity.

You are stupid as hell to be doing shit like that. Just to let you know. I've done stuff. Once or twice, who cares what it does, Ohh a rush in your mind! If your life sucks so much that you have to use all that, then do something else, like move, or run away, or get adpoted by someone who cares. I've seen what it does to people, my friends are screwed up, some DIE, and some go to jail and have to go to rehab in minnesota. I've seen pictures of what it does as well, I've lived with this all my life. You are pretty ignorant to do something like that. Just saying.

he never said it was good. or bad.
I rather thought I'd implied it was a cheat, however. It's a tool for jumpstarting consciousness expansion, but it doesn't do the work for you. You're really better off getting to that state through non-chemical means, in any case. And the last I'll say regarding PaulJeekistan is this:

with the very notable exception of the dexadrine, I've researched every substance I've ingested, and that isn't an insubstantial list I'm referring to, either. I did my research at my local public library (about fifteen years prior to the development of ARAPNET), using a variety of sources to track down as much info as possible. The only misstep I ever took was due to dexadrine - and that was due to having misplaced my trust, at having believed the soft sell, and having failed to do a proper investigation before I took the plunge.

I've gone well out of my way to actively discourage people who I felt weren't posessed of a strong enough character to experiment with some of the trickier substances going. I did it as a favour to them. You can call me whatever names you want, you can tell me to stop handing out my advice, but at least the truth as I see it (avoid certain substances altogether) won't potentially fuck up anyone's life.

I don't need to think of children. I don't have any, nor do I have any plans to have any. I think of people.

Yes, I am aware of that. Although the chemical makeup has similar ingredients, they are in fact, VERY different substances.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA
Well actually it's an amphetamine analouge. That is to say not all meth is X but all X is meth.
PS Never do either one with an MAOI.

I rather thought I'd implied it was a cheat, however. It's a tool for jumpstarting consciousness expansion, but it doesn't do the work for you. You're really better off getting to that state through non-chemical means, in any case.

Implications don't count!

You can't expect me to catch implications at night without my glasses on!

/excuses

I'm a criminal defense lawyer in RL - my stupidist clients are the meth heads, hands down, no question. I actually had one, on his 5th bust in 8 months, tell me me he was planning on "whipping up a batch to pay for rehab."

Don't do it!! smoke weed, drop acid, get hooked on opiates, abuse prescription amphetamine type drugs like Ritalin, but DO NOT use crystal Meth. I've seen too many people and families destroyed by it. I promise it will make you think you are smarter than you actually are while it destroys your body.

Those of you who say it is ok to use, you are either:
1) an incredibly rare exception; or
2) Someone who thinks they are smarter than they actually are due to your useage (Come see me when your teeth fall out and you have a stroke at age 34 due to your useage of the shit - btw, those stains on your fingers are a dead giveaway to the cops)

I rather thought I'd implied it was a cheat, however. It's a tool for jumpstarting consciousness expansion, but it doesn't do the work for you. You're really better off getting to that state through non-chemical means, in any case. And the last I'll say regarding PaulJeekistan is this:

with the very notable exception of the dexadrine, I've researched every substance I've ingested, and that isn't an insubstantial list I'm referring to, either. I did my research at my local public library (about fifteen years prior to the development of ARAPNET), using a variety of sources to track down as much info as possible. The only misstep I ever took was due to dexadrine - and that was due to having misplaced my trust, at having believed the soft sell, and having failed to do a proper investigation before I took the plunge.

I've gone well out of my way to actively discourage people who I felt weren't posessed of a strong enough character to experiment with some of the trickier substances going. I did it as a favour to them. You can call me whatever names you want, you can tell me to stop handing out my advice, but at least the truth as I see it (avoid certain substances altogether) won't potentially fuck up anyone's life.

I don't need to think of children. I don't have any, nor do I have any plans to have any. I think of people.
Look through the thread again and ask yourself who and where the namecalling origionated. I don't use ARAPNET I'm not even sure what that is. But I've read (and wrote a bit) of the old lyceaum archives. OF the two I think that LSD is less something that should be experimented with lightly. Because it is a psychotropic and that sort of experience can be damaging to someone who is unready mush more quickly and drastically. And if you were handing out advice and not just calling names we would'nt be having this conversation.

anyone out there ever use it? is it any good? what was your experience like?
I'm not sure if you've heard from someone that's actually used the drug yet, so I'll offer up a unique set of pros and cons that probably haven't been mentioned yet. I'm not going to encourage you to do meth, but I can offer a... shall we say... learned perspective on the matter.

We'll start with the good parts. It keeps you awaks like a mo fo, as I'm sure you're already aware. As a stimulant, its effects are not easily matched: it probably beats coke in point of fact. I had a seemingly unique reaction to it so beyond this I'm not entirely certain what kind of rush you would get out of it; there definately is a rush but dollar for dollar you're better off with a six pack or a sack of green; both physically and economically. When I took it, meth made me do productive things. When we would have smoked pot and sat on our asses, we based meth and cleaned the room or washed the dishes or took the trash out. In the right environment it can be an effective tool for getting things done, provided you don't get addicted, which I'm told is almost a certainty.

That brings me to the bad parts. Meth is right up there with coke and heroin as some of the most addictive shit made by human hands. I lived with 4 people [and knew 2 or 3 more that visted regularly] that regularly took meth, and to my knowledge all are still regular users; I'm the only one who's quit and I strongly suspect that my resistance to this addiction is not a particularly common trait. That is to say, I wouldn't count on you being able to just up and drop it cold turkey after using it once, much less after six weeks. When you snort it, it [obviously] does some serious damage to the lining of your nose, and depending on the degree of use it can start to fuck up that one lobe of your brain that I forget the name of, probably because I smoked so much meth last year. If you freebase it [which was always my preferred method], the smoke supposedly caramelizes your lungs, which has some obvious detrimental effects.

All in all, meth really isn't worth the money or the risk; and this is coming from one of the most avid drug enthusiasts you're likely to meet. I never saw much of a point in stimulants, but I suppose that's my own preference and it might not be yours.

But if you do decide to use it, for the love of GOD eat some multivitamins before you dose; it keeps the teeth in your head.

I've tried Meth on a few occasions, and I honestly found that it wasn't that great an experience, especially for how expensive that crap is. And I personally know some long time users; it screws you up royally. There's a lot of bull floating around about how people who use drugs "aren't the same people anymore." Now, mostly, that is just bullshit. With meth, it's true. Long time use turns you into an agro, violent asshole when you're not on it (and often when you are, if you've been using that long.)

Basically, there are better, cheaper, less addictive and less dangerous drugs out there. The meth high isn't that great (I thought, anyway, and I've had a lot to compare it to) and it's just not worth the risk you take when you use it (especially with the kind of crap it's often cut with.)

My favourites are LSD and 2-CI.

I'm happy to combine good strong coffee with good strong weed and an interesting conversation or two. Which reminds me, I need a refill...
Dude, you just read my mind!

BTW As for "doctor dickhead, don't waste your time with him. He's probably the kind of guy who gets strange pills, and has his friends try them first to see if there ok. And I don't think he's bright enough to realize that some people have fucking allergies, and can die from ONE PILL, even if it's "safe" most of the time. Oh well, I hope everyone is smart enough to just stick with the Ganja and Java! Cheers, mate!