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Is it just me, or are the posters here predominantly left-winged?

Serapindal
10-10-2005, 00:17
Or is it just me?
The South Islands
10-10-2005, 00:18
No Shit, Sherlock!
Tactical Grace
10-10-2005, 00:20
Right-wingers are busting their ass day and night trying to get a 4.0 so they can go be a corporate warrior. Thus the Internet playground is left to the rest of us. :p
Melkor Unchained
10-10-2005, 00:21
No Shit, Sherlock!
Seconded.
AllCoolNamesAreTaken
10-10-2005, 00:23
People here generally fall into three categories. There are exceptions, but not many.


1. Libertarian Atheists.

2. People who hate George Bush/America. (most are socialists or communists)

3. Jesus-freaks.
Vetalia
10-10-2005, 00:23
No offense, but I think almost everyone is left-wing compared to you.
Undelia
10-10-2005, 00:25
People here generally fall into three categories. There are exceptions, but not many.


1. Libertarian Atheists.

2. People who hate George Bush/America. (most are socialists or communists)

3. Jesus-freaks.
I’m some sort of freak combination of all three of those! :eek:
Achtung 45
10-10-2005, 00:25
Right-wingers are busting their ass day and night trying to get a 4.0 so they can go be a corporate warrior. Thus the Internet playground is left to the rest of us. :p
As opposed to left-wingers who don't need to bust their ass day and night to get a 4.0! :p
Tactical Grace
10-10-2005, 00:27
As opposed to left-wingers who don't need to bust their ass day and night to get a 4.0! :p
*Winces* Oww...that's gotta hurt... :p
CthulhuFhtagn
10-10-2005, 00:27
No offense, but I think almost everyone is left-wing compared to you.
I was going to say that.
Czardas
10-10-2005, 00:28
Wow, I'm shocked.... How did you figure that out? :rolleyes:

There are several types of posters here:

1) Communist Liberals;
2) Capitalist Liberals (aka Libertarians, Classic Liberals, or Anarcho-Capitalists);
3) Conservatives.

The Communist Liberals number about 52%, the Capitalist Liberals about 25%, and the Conservatives about 23%. More or less. So yes, we're mostly commies. Except for the odd Idealist Libertarian Expansionist Anarcho-Socialist Aristotelian Liberal such as myself. ;)

JOIN ATHAR!
Thekalu
10-10-2005, 00:29
no, just most posters are intelligent
and I agree with the dude who said everyone is left of you (see "would you vote for me" thread)
Czardas
10-10-2005, 00:30
No offense, but I think almost everyone is left-wing compared to you.
iQuote that. Serapindal, you're the only Conservative Fascist Chauvinist we've had here in a long time. ;)
Zinntopia
10-10-2005, 00:31
People here generally fall into three categories. There are exceptions, but not many.


1. Libertarian Atheists.

2. People who hate George Bush/America. (most are socialists or communists)

3. Jesus-freaks.

That describes people on every political forum on the internet. I don't think most conservative types enjoy the internet.
Robot ninja pirates
10-10-2005, 00:31
No, you're just imagining things.
PaulJeekistan
10-10-2005, 00:31
YEp Yep losts of lefties. A big majority. Know how dumb the average guy is? Mathematically half of them are worse......
Ruminantistan
10-10-2005, 00:32
Right-wingers are busting their ass day and night trying to get a 4.0 so they can go be a corporate warrior. Thus the Internet playground is left to the rest of us. :p

I have a 4.0 GPA and bust my ass (I'm a biological science major with a minor in chemistry), and I'm no wingnut.
Second Russia
10-10-2005, 00:34
Yeah, we've got almost all lefties, but don't fascists count as right wing?

We seem to have a whole shitload of them as well.
Czardas
10-10-2005, 00:35
Yeah, we've got almost all lefties, but don't fascists count as right wing?

We seem to have a whole shitload of them as well.
Really? I've never noticed.
Tomzilla
10-10-2005, 00:37
Yeah, lots of lefties here. But I am busting my ass to do good in High School, and I am rather smart. Plus, I am a moderate conservative. We all aren't dumb-ass red-necks.
Undelia
10-10-2005, 00:38
Yeah, lots of lefties here. But I am busting my ass to do good in High School, and I am rather smart. Plus, I am a moderate conservative. We all aren't dumb-ass red-necks.
But a whole lot of you are.
CthulhuFhtagn
10-10-2005, 00:41
YEp Yep losts of lefties. A big majority. Know how dumb the average guy is? Mathematically half of them are worse......
Yes, call leftists idiots when there's a mod in the thread. I'm sure that's a smart idea.
Czardas
10-10-2005, 00:44
Yeah, lots of lefties here. But I am busting my ass to do good in High School, and I am rather smart. Plus, I am a moderate conservative. We all aren't dumb-ass red-necks.
True. However, I still see little reason for the conservative ideology to prevail among the rest of you.
Valosia
10-10-2005, 00:46
The median age of liberals is a little younger than conservatives, and the younger one is, the more likely they are to use the internet often. So, naturally, you'll see a few more liberals than conservatives on the web.
Czardas
10-10-2005, 00:47
Yes, call leftists idiots when there's a mod in the thread. I'm sure that's a smart idea.
Well, considering that most people don't read threads after they post in them...
Straughn
10-10-2005, 00:47
People here generally fall into three categories. There are exceptions, but not many.


1. Libertarian Atheists.

2. People who hate George Bush/America. (most are socialists or communists)

3. Jesus-freaks.
4. Puppets.
;)
5. People with no discernable moral center who like to f*ck with other people.
PaulJeekistan
10-10-2005, 00:48
Yes, call leftists idiots when there's a mod in the thread. I'm sure that's a smart idea.

Right I am aware the mods are iased I simply do not care. I consider it a moral victory that your lot has to rely on censorship....
The South Islands
10-10-2005, 00:48
But a whole lot of you are.

Not ones that post on internet forums.
Straughn
10-10-2005, 00:48
I have a 4.0 GPA and bust my ass (I'm a biological science major with a minor in chemistry), and I'm no wingnut.
Well, as of your post, you stand at approximately
2
...so it might be a while before you prove whether you're a "wingnut" or not.
Keep up the good work!
Osutoria-Hangarii
10-10-2005, 00:49
no, just most posters are intelligent
Just the kind of thing I picture a leftie saying XD

But a whole lot of you are.
Ditto

True. However, I still see little reason for the conservative ideology to prevail among the rest of you.
Almost intelligent-sounding ditto

YEp Yep losts of lefties. A big majority. Know how dumb the average guy is? Mathematically half of them are worse......
that'd be true if we were talking about the median :P
PaulJeekistan
10-10-2005, 00:50
Yeah, we've got almost all lefties, but don't fascists count as right wing?

We seem to have a whole shitload of them as well.

Fascism, Hmm that's a big government that tells industry what to produce and people how to behave? I beleive you are right there ARE a lot of lefties here.
Psychotic Mongooses
10-10-2005, 00:53
Well considering this is an International forum, from the US righties, anyone who isn't Right of Thatcher or Reagan is considered a 'lefty'. :D
PaulJeekistan
10-10-2005, 00:55
Yep those damn *cough* National Front *cough* Americans!
Czardas
10-10-2005, 00:55
Right I am aware the mods are iased I simply do not care. I consider it a moral victory that your lot has to rely on censorship....
The mods are biased, but not in that way...
The Jovian Moons
10-10-2005, 01:00
Up with the radical moderate!
Euroslavia
10-10-2005, 01:12
YEp Yep losts of lefties. A big majority. Know how dumb the average guy is? Mathematically half of them are worse......


Right I am aware the mods are iased I simply do not care. I consider it a moral victory that your lot has to rely on censorship....


PaulJeekistan: Official Warning for Trolling
Keep it up with your conspiracy theories. You're breaking the rules of NS, whether you're conservative, liberal, communist, or anything else for that matter. You're right. We are bias. Bias against people who break the rules and expect to get away with it.
PaulJeekistan
10-10-2005, 01:15
I'm like psychic or something. Still think it's a moral victory...
Leonstein
10-10-2005, 01:16
Or is it just me?
Well, you are more right-wing then most. "Fascist" one could say.

That being said, the NS elections have shown that there obviously are plenty of right-wingers and libertarians around (unless there was a lot of cheating going on...) - I assume that the majority of people who frequent NS voted at some point.
New Sans
10-10-2005, 01:20
I'm like psychic or something. Still think it's a moral victory...

Can I borrow your tin foil hat, mine must be on the fritz or something. The Mods are not biased, they shut down threads/warn posters that break the rules regardless of left or right bias.
Der Drache
10-10-2005, 01:25
Or is it just me?

yeah they are. Though the British have a different idea of what left wing is and may not consider themselves left wing even though we would. I'm very conservative (except for a few key issues). But you, Serapindal, are so right wing its scary. Comparied to you I'm a lefty.
Triad City
10-10-2005, 01:29
I've always hypothesized that Libertarians and Christians help achieve each others' objectives:

Libertarianism's loose property laws can make private Christian communities possible. There's already many gated communities. What's wrong with a real estate developer saying: No MTV, no Spice Channel, no homosexuality, no teenage hangouts, no other religions, no atheists, etc.? If it's a voluntary contract between PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS who also own the street and other public spaces, what's wrong with declaring curfews, prohibitions on public obscenity or voluntary restrictions? If Christians wish to impose a public morality on an area, they will have to keep expanding their properties until they overlap. A libertarian government would be friendly towards home-schooling, private gun ownership and private security forces, all the things I believe are necessary for a private theocratic enclave.

On the other side of the coin, Libertarians want social services to be minimal and handled by private charity (see the Libertarian Party's platform). The large religious non-profits in this country (hospitals, nursing homes, community centers, parochial schools, etc.) are the most viable non-governmental social support/public service network that could fill that role.

The main obstacle that I believe libertarians have in breaking out of the third party status is the large numbers of inert, under-educated, unemployable and government-dependent voting blocs that will never consciously vote away their monthly check. I've always thought that the LP could co-opt the Republican Party the same way the Socialists co-opted the Democrats in the 1930s. To acheive one's politcal objectives without displacing the elephant or the donkey, but get one of them to adopt your platform. But as of 2005, with the elephant in the Whitehouse and both Houses of Congress, we're looking a $2 trillion budget with no end in sight, but I digress.
Teh_pantless_hero
10-10-2005, 01:31
Or is it just me?
Are most of the topics on Nationstates inflammatory? I submit they are,

I also submit that if the left is the majority, the right is the loudest.
Sdaeriji
10-10-2005, 01:32
What useful purpose does this thread possibly serve?
PaulJeekistan
10-10-2005, 01:34
I've always hypothesized that Libertarians and Christians help achieve each others' objectives:

Libertarianism's loose property laws can make private Christian communities possible. There's already many gated communities. What's wrong with a real estate developer saying: No MTV, no Spice Channel, no homosexuality, no teenage hangouts, no other religions, no atheists, etc.? If it's a voluntary contract between PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS who also own the street and other public spaces, what's wrong with declaring curfews, prohibitions on public obscenity or voluntary restrictions? If Christians wish to impose a public morality on an area, they will have to keep expanding their properties until they overlap. A libertarian government would be friendly towards home-schooling, private gun ownership and private security forces.

On the other side of the coin, Libertarians want social services to be minimal and handled by private charity. The large religious non-profits in this country (hospitals, nursing homes, community centers, parochial schools, etc.) are the most viable non-governmental social support/public service network that could fill that role.

The main obstacle that I believe libertarians in breaking out of the third party status is the large numbers of inert, under-educated, unemployable and government dependent voting blocs that will never consciously vote away their own meal ticket. I've always thought that the LP could co-opt the Republican Party the same way the Socialists co-opted the Democrats in the 1930s. To acheive one's politcal objectives without displacing the elephant or the donkey, but get one of them to adopt your platform. But as on 2005, we're looking a $2 trillion budget with no end in sight, but I digress.

Not just the Xtians but the Communists too. What that did he say Libertarians and Communists? Look their always saying that Communism is this ideology that never got a fair shot at it right? Well easy under a Libertarian State if you wanted to build a Worker's Paradise so long as you did it on your own land and your own buck and made it sustainable... Well I don't see how any ethical Libertarian could deny you that right.
Serapindal
10-10-2005, 01:36
What useful purpose does this thread possibly serve?

Do any of the threads here serve a useful purpose?
Jibea
10-10-2005, 01:38
I'm a communistic fascist, like Stalin, except with an extra helping of paranioa.
Sdaeriji
10-10-2005, 01:39
Do any of the threads here serve a useful purpose?

Yes. Many foster intelligent debate. This one does not. All this one encourages is flaming.
Dobbsworld
10-10-2005, 01:41
What useful purpose does this thread possibly serve?
The usual - a locus for conflict and indignation. What else could it possibly be for? Fun and laughs?

Don't think so.

*puffs*
Der Drache
10-10-2005, 01:41
Not just the Xtians but the Communists too. What that did he say Libertarians and Communists? Look their always saying that Communism is this ideology that never got a fair shot at it right? Well easy under a Libertarian State if you wanted to build a Worker's Paradise so long as you did it on your own land and your own buck and made it sustainable... Well I don't see how any ethical Libertarian could deny you that right.

That sounds alright to me. I think people should be able to make their own rules and build ideological paradises if it's their own property. As long as they don't break existing laws (so they can add restrictions but can't take existing restrictions away).
Dobbsworld
10-10-2005, 01:43
And eventually someone'll pop their top, lose it, and get a finger-wagging for it.
PaulJeekistan
10-10-2005, 01:45
That sounds alright to me. I think people should be able to make their own rules and build ideological paradises if it's their own property. As long as they don't break existing laws (so they can add restrictions but can't take existing restrictions away).

That's what I like about Libertarianism. If you want a different sort of society you can make one. Nobody in a communist or theocratic govt. would let you build a Libertarian enclave...
Teh_pantless_hero
10-10-2005, 02:11
Not just the Xtians but the Communists too. What that did he say Libertarians and Communists? Look their always saying that Communism is this ideology that never got a fair shot at it right? Well easy under a Libertarian State if you wanted to build a Worker's Paradise so long as you did it on your own land and your own buck and made it sustainable... Well I don't see how any ethical Libertarian could deny you that right.
What politician is logically ethical?
PaulJeekistan
10-10-2005, 02:23
Libertarians. Unfortunately one needs a majority to win an election...
Neo Kervoskia
10-10-2005, 02:24
Libertarians. Unfortunately one needs a majority to win an election...
If a libertarian won an election, after a while he would cease to be libertarians. The same is probably true with a Communist.
Undelia
10-10-2005, 02:26
If a libertarian won an election, after a while he would cease to be libertarians. The same is probably true with a Communist.
Which is why God (or was it Al Gore?) invented term limits.
Gymoor II The Return
10-10-2005, 02:43
If a libertarian won an election, after a while he would cease to be libertarians. The same is probably true with a Communist.

Because no one considers their own pet projects to be "big government interference."
Kleptonis
10-10-2005, 02:45
I'm a communistic fascist, like Stalin, except with an extra helping of paranioa.
And extra helping? The man was pretty paranoid to begin with.
PaulJeekistan
10-10-2005, 02:46
Well no they do win office and they do stay generally true to the party's ethics. Maybe I'm just more aware because I do some work for the local party so I know about our office holders. The thing is Dems and Pubs get ellected by a lose conglomeration of lobbies without any ethical cohesion. Libs only get ellected when there is a high enough concentration of voters ethically committed to the cause. Realize that unlike Perot or Nader we don't get the protest vote of 'none of the above' So unlike other parties flip-flopping will not win you a re-ellction.
Economic Associates
10-10-2005, 02:49
I just want to know where all the moderates went. This your either with us or against us idiocy is too rampant.
Nexus-Azule
10-10-2005, 02:56
Seconded.

Third
Lovfro
10-10-2005, 02:58
<snip> but I digress.

Actually, you didn't difgress, as you were never on the point of discussion ;)

But interesting insight into the thinking of a theist libertarian
Czardas
10-10-2005, 03:01
What useful purpose does this thread possibly serve?
To increase all of our post counts with some pointless debate on a forum no-one will care about in a few years, in a pointless existence among an evil species that cares only about itself?
New Fuglies
10-10-2005, 03:22
Or is it just me?

It's a literacy rate and ability to own and use a computer thing... :)
Daistallia 2104
10-10-2005, 08:21
Just to bring a bit of semi-factual data to the table, there have been two polls grafting the posters here according to the Political Compass (first one was Free Soviets second was Swimmingpool). Both showed that the majority responding were left of center. (Search for them if you want.)
Leonstein
10-10-2005, 08:25
Just to bring a bit of semi-factual data to the table, there have been two polls grafting the posters here according to the Political Compass (first one was Free Soviets second was Swimmingpool). Both showed that the majority responding were left of center. (Search for them if you want.)
Where were all those guys for the NS General Election???
We could've used them.. :(
Mariehamn
10-10-2005, 08:27
As opposed to left-wingers who don't need to bust their ass day and night to get a 4.0! :p
ROFL! :p
Pepe Dominguez
10-10-2005, 08:33
Or is it just me?

You've been around since December of '04, and you realize this now?
Daistallia 2104
10-10-2005, 08:38
Where were all those guys for the NS General Election???
We could've used them.. :(

No idea.

Here's Swimmingpools chart:
http://www.iol.ie/~roto/nspolc2.jpg (It's a big sucker.)

Check the names on there. There's still a lot of those folks around.
Leonstein
10-10-2005, 08:44
Check the names on there. There's still a lot of those folks around.
I'm not on it...and Vittos Ordination is on the left!!!
Hehehe.
Brego Omega
10-10-2005, 08:46
Thats because you need at least a high school reading level to play this game- something most conservatives struggle with. :eek:
Callisdrun
10-10-2005, 08:58
Or is it just me?


Yes, this forum is mostly fairly leftist.

On another note, water, amazingly enough, is wet.
FourX
10-10-2005, 09:39
Or is it just me?
Surely you know 'the internet' is a part of the vast liberal conspiricy thats out to get you?

They're out there, watching with those shifty liberal eyes, planning, waiting... then the moment you let your guard down... BAM!!! They take away your gun, spend some money on social causes and bring all those young americans back home from Iraq... Curse those liberals...
The Chinese Republics
10-10-2005, 09:51
3. Jesus-freaks.
Yep, and Jesus-freaks lives here (the green area).
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7242/usa0cr.jpg
LMAO! Gotta love this map! :D I wish this is how our future look like.

edit:
As opposed to left-wingers who don't need to bust their ass day and night to get a 4.0! :p
OH BURN!!! :p
Gymoor II The Return
10-10-2005, 09:54
When all those around you are to the left, then one has to consider that maybe one is to the far-right...
FourX
10-10-2005, 10:01
When all those around you are to the left, then one has to consider that maybe one is to the far-right...
See what I don't get with american politics is that the majority of the democrat party would fall into the centre/centre-right region compared to european politics. And yet I hear so much gnashing of teeth about a liberal bias in the media when really the 'left' in america is only called 'left' because the american political spectrum is so far to the right.

(this is not to say there are not true leftists in america, but they are on the left fringe of the democrat party)
Zrrylarg
10-10-2005, 10:10
Thats because you need at least a high school reading level to play this game- something most conservatives struggle with. :eek:
Yes, this forum is mostly fairly leftist.

On another note, water, amazingly enough, is wet.

ROFL!!!!!
Funky Beat
10-10-2005, 10:50
Right-wingers are busting their ass day and night trying to get a 4.0 so they can go be a corporate warrior. Thus the Internet playground is left to the rest of us. :p

So that explains the perpetual feeling of isolation; I'm the only bloody right-winger left...

As a wise man once said; 'only turkeys have left wings.'
Melkor Unchained
10-10-2005, 16:07
Thats because you need at least a high school reading level to play this game- something most conservatives struggle with. :eek:
Sweet Jesus God some people...

WARNED! For Flamebaiting. Honestly, when you resort to tactics like this you're really not making yourself look very good, now are you?

If conservatives are idiots, try taking the high ground and not being one yourself. Don't do it again.
Osutoria-Hangarii
10-10-2005, 17:03
So that explains the perpetual feeling of isolation; I'm the only bloody right-winger left...

As a wise man once said; 'only turkeys have left wings.'
no you're not

i love u
Eutrusca
10-10-2005, 17:15
Or is it just me?
Nahh. They're just noisier than the rest of us. :D
UpwardThrust
10-10-2005, 17:29
Nahh. They're just noisier than the rest of us. :D
I didn’t think it was possible to be nosier then you :p
Sierra BTHP
10-10-2005, 17:33
1. Not everyone here is "left-wing".
2. Not everyone who thinks of themselves as "left" is fully "left" on all issues.
3. Not everyone who thinks of themselves as "left" (Democrats in the US0 are really "left" or even have any idea what "left" means.

The same applies to "right".

Initially, a lot of people think I'm right-wing. But I am not "right-wing" on all issues.
Beer and Guns
10-10-2005, 17:37
Left wingers are needed to put right wingers in perspective..Its a shame there are so many of them ! communist for cripes sake ! You would have thought by now they would have figured it out... :D But you gotta give them credit for thickheadedness :) At any rate you tend to be a bit left winged when you are younger and as you gain experiance in life and have to pay taxes and raise children you start swinging with the right . I would guess this forum is crowded with youg heads . Give them time and they will leave the dark side.. :p
Roguing Rogues
10-10-2005, 18:06
I'm actually right-winged. I know there's a few others hiding in the shadows here.


Whatever happened to Marathon?! :(
OceanDrive2
10-10-2005, 18:11
2. Not everyone who thinks of themselves as "left" is fully "left" on all issues.
3. Not everyone who thinks of themselves as "left" (Democrats in the US0 are really "left" or even have any idea what "left" means.

The same applies to "right".

Initially, a lot of people think I'm right-wing. But I am not "right-wing" on all issues.thats a lot of smoke screens...
Lets simplify...

Did you vote for Bush or For Clinton?
Sierra BTHP
10-10-2005, 18:17
Did you vote for Bush or For Clinton?

Do I believe in a woman's right to abortion or not?
- YES. Women should have free and easy access to abortion on demand.
Generally, Democrats YES, Republicans NO.
Do I believe in the American system of welfare?
- NO. It is a terrible monstrosity that has destroyed generations of people.
Generally, DEMOCRATS YES AND MORE, REPUBLICANS LET IT RIDE
Do I believe in affirmative action?
- NO. It is reverse racism.
Generally, DEMOCRATS YES AND MORE, Republicans NO.
Do I believe in the individual right to bear arms?
- YES. Despite SCOTUS, it is quite apparent from reading the writings of the
Founding Fathers that this was intended.
DEMOCRATS UNCONDITIONALLY NO, REPUBLICANS YES
Do I believe in the right to carry concealed weapons?
- YES. It's the only defense for some people.
DEMOCRATS UNCONDITIONALLY NO, REPUBLICANS YES

In the election between the elder Bush and Clinton, I did not vote. I did not see either as a good choice. Neither did I vote in the subsequent Clinton election.

You'll note that in both of those elections, the number of people who were registered but did not cast a vote outnumbered the people who voted for Clinton.
Ekland
10-10-2005, 18:19
No Shit, Sherlock!

I can't believe this was passed up. The correct responce is...

Fuck you, Watson!

:D
Dobbsworld
10-10-2005, 18:21
I didn’t think it was possible to be nosier then you (referring to Eutrusca, Dobbs edit):p
...Or noisier, even? Heh. Gotcha UT.
Sierra BTHP
10-10-2005, 18:29
I should add:

Equal rights for people regardless of sexual orientation
-YES
Democrats say YES, Republicans say NO

Keep the government out of my bedroom
- YES
Democrats say YES, Some Republicans say NO

Marijuana should be legal
- YES
Most Democrats would like to say YES, but they don't
Republicans say NO

Do I believe in a woman's right to abortion or not?
- YES. Women should have free and easy access to abortion on demand.
Generally, Democrats YES, Republicans NO.
Do I believe in the American system of welfare?
- NO. It is a terrible monstrosity that has destroyed generations of people.
Generally, DEMOCRATS YES AND MORE, REPUBLICANS LET IT RIDE
Do I believe in affirmative action?
- NO. It is reverse racism.
Generally, DEMOCRATS YES AND MORE, Republicans NO.
Do I believe in the individual right to bear arms?
- YES. Despite SCOTUS, it is quite apparent from reading the writings of the
Founding Fathers that this was intended.
DEMOCRATS UNCONDITIONALLY NO, REPUBLICANS YES
Do I believe in the right to carry concealed weapons?
- YES. It's the only defense for some people.
DEMOCRATS UNCONDITIONALLY NO, REPUBLICANS YES

In the election between the elder Bush and Clinton, I did not vote. I did not see either as a good choice. Neither did I vote in the subsequent Clinton election.

You'll note that in both of those elections, the number of people who were registered but did not cast a vote outnumbered the people who voted for Clinton.
Lovfro
10-10-2005, 18:36
So that explains the perpetual feeling of isolation; I'm the only bloody right-winger left...

As a wise man once said; 'only turkeys have left wings.'

A wise man who had only seen one kind of bird in his life, it seems :P
Stumpneria
10-10-2005, 18:41
I've always hypothesized that Libertarians and Christians help achieve each others' objectives:

Libertarianism's loose property laws can make private Christian communities possible. There's already many gated communities. What's wrong with a real estate developer saying: No MTV, no Spice Channel, no homosexuality, no teenage hangouts, no other religions, no atheists, etc.? If it's a voluntary contract between PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS who also own the street and other public spaces, what's wrong with declaring curfews, prohibitions on public obscenity or voluntary restrictions? If Christians wish to impose a public morality on an area, they will have to keep expanding their properties until they overlap. A libertarian government would be friendly towards home-schooling, private gun ownership and private security forces, all the things I believe are necessary for a private theocratic enclave.

On the other side of the coin, Libertarians want social services to be minimal and handled by private charity (see the Libertarian Party's platform). The large religious non-profits in this country (hospitals, nursing homes, community centers, parochial schools, etc.) are the most viable non-governmental social support/public service network that could fill that role.

The main obstacle that I believe libertarians have in breaking out of the third party status is the large numbers of inert, under-educated, unemployable and government-dependent voting blocs that will never consciously vote away their monthly check. I've always thought that the LP could co-opt the Republican Party the same way the Socialists co-opted the Democrats in the 1930s. To acheive one's politcal objectives without displacing the elephant or the donkey, but get one of them to adopt your platform. But as of 2005, with the elephant in the Whitehouse and both Houses of Congress, we're looking a $2 trillion budget with no end in sight, but I digress. To be able to accomplish such a theocratic society you'd have to be like the Amish and buy up all allotments in your community. And if anyone were to violate the Ordnung, they would be shunned. I live within 15 minutes of Middlefield, Ohio, so i should know. But even in Amish country there are still outsiders who live amongst them. So any hypothetical "religious Right" community would probally have to be more like the "christian communism" of the Hutterites, so that all of the land is held in common and can not be baughten or sold as private allotments.
Adlersburg-Niddaigle
10-10-2005, 18:43
People here generally fall into three categories. There are exceptions, but not many.


1. Libertarian Atheists.

2. People who hate George Bush/America. (most are socialists or communists)

3. Jesus-freaks.
and handicapped. My right wing was damaged in my last landing! ;)
Gogogol
10-10-2005, 18:57
so, you turned off the tele and entered the real world?


the right wing demands 50% of the time.
to them, anything that is not in agreement with them is left wing.
never mind that only about 1/2 the population votes and only about
1/2 voted for their party.

the tele projects anything not covered by the 2 main right wing parties
to be not worthy to be covered.
Eutrusca
10-10-2005, 18:58
People here generally fall into three categories. There are exceptions, but not many.


1. Libertarian Atheists.

2. People who hate George Bush/America. (most are socialists or communists)

3. Jesus-freaks.
Oh? And where, pray tell, do *I* fit in this ( rather inaccurate ) picture? Hmmm? :p
Adlersburg-Niddaigle
10-10-2005, 19:01
Or is it just me?
The problem is that you want to label people. Most educated people look at issues and decide whether one or the other response agrees with their own philosophy of life or morality.

for example: the issue (or non-issue) of abortion.

No one can possibly be in favor of abortion since it is a medical or surgical practice (like appendectomy, tonsilectomy, etc.) and no one would want to undergo such a treatment unless it were necessary. But if it is necessary, I would certainly want it to be available to any woman who wants it. Why she might want it is certainly her business, not mine.

for example: the issue of the death penalty.

No one can seriously be in favor of the death penalty, but sometimes the execution of a criminal is absolutely necessary to protect society. It is a deterent to crime in that the criminal does not have the opportunity to repeat his offense. But it should be used very sparingly.

for example: gay rights and gay marriage.

No one can be serious about denying to people the rights that we all enjoy simply because they perfere someone of the same gender as a sexual partner. Marriage is a social contract, sometimes sanctioned (blessed) by the Church or Synagogue; no marriage is valid without the approval of government and no dissolution of the marriage contract is valid without that same approval. In the olden days, marriages were contracts between families - entered into by the partners without a thought of love. The Church was called upon to bless the marriages of nobles, not commoners until very recently. Now, we believe that love is the sine qua non for marriage. I do not care if the rights I enjoy are given also to other people, but I am not happy if those rights are denied to others.

So where am I in your scheme of things? I believe in responsible government, fiscal responsibility, obeying the law, etc.
Pantycellen
10-10-2005, 19:14
predominitly right wing......

either that or I have right wing atraction capabilities
Eutrusca
10-10-2005, 20:01
predominitly right wing......

either that or I have right wing atraction capabilities
LOL! Hmmm. Not real sure what to say to that! :p
UpwardThrust
10-10-2005, 20:05
...Or noisier, even? Heh. Gotcha UT.
Lol :) fair enough ... stupid word auto-correct
Persons Who Are Living
10-10-2005, 20:23
My political scale isn't 1-dimensional, but 4-dimensional, so in order to project myself onto a 1-dimensional plane, I have to self-intersect.
Liskeinland
10-10-2005, 20:40
I’m some sort of freak combination of all three of those! :eek: I'm a combination of numbers two and three. :p

And there are quite a few right-wingers on here. *cough Melkhor for one*cough*
Swimmingpool
10-10-2005, 20:45
Oh? And where, pray tell, do *I* fit in this ( rather inaccurate ) picture? Hmmm? :p
I would say, if forced into those three categories, you would be #1. But I think there are more types of socialists here than Bush/America haters.

In conclusion, yes, this forum is decidedly left-wing.
Frangland
10-10-2005, 20:56
As opposed to left-wingers who don't need to bust their ass day and night to get a 4.0! :p

just vote for democrats/socialists, and you don't have to bust your ass at all.

just let the rich and middle classes pay for/provide everything!

hehe
Liskeinland
10-10-2005, 20:59
just vote for democrats/socialists, and you don't have to bust your ass at all.

just let the rich and middle classes pay for/provide everything!

hehe I can't remember the last time I was "raped".
Cahnt
10-10-2005, 21:01
Ideology is invisible unless you happen to disagree with it. Thus, to the right leaning idiots the site seems appalingly liberal, while the lefties feel it's full of ill mannered social Darwinists and Objectivists who make Steve Ditko look like Aldous Huxley.
This is what Sartre was on about when he said that Hell is other people.
Gymoor II The Return
10-10-2005, 22:16
Ideology is invisible unless you happen to disagree with it. Thus, to the right leaning idiots the site seems appalingly liberal, while the lefties feel it's full of ill mannered social Darwinists and Objectivists who make Steve Ditko look like Aldous Huxley.
This is what Sartre was on about when he said that Hell is other people.

This may be one of the smartest things I've read on this site. As such, I'm going to label you an intellectual elitist and discount your words without ever analyzing them. :D
Funky Beat
11-10-2005, 07:06
A wise man who had only seen one kind of bird in his life, it seems :P

Hey, I didn't write the Simpsons... :rolleyes:

Never mind the gaping inconsistencies... it's still funny...