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I'd like to know if there is anyone out there who seriously believes that God used the hurricanes to punish New Orleans for the sinful actions of the people living and visiting there.

The reason I ask; I was watching a news channel last night and an Alabama State Senator said God used the hurricanes to punish New Orleans.

Let's consider the source. An alabama state senator.

No, and neither did Santa,Thor, Loki, Zeus, The Easter Bunny, The Invisible Pink Unicorn or the FSM. Shit just happens.

I haven't yet heard a notable political commentator make the claim that the hurricanes were God's wrath.. although some people are suspiciously less enthused about reconstructing the casinos and brothels... ;)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/26/AR2005092601613_pf.html

Purported al Qaeda Newscast Debuts on Internet

"The whole Muslim world was filled with joy" at the disaster, the anchorman said. He went on to say that President Bush was "completely humiliated by his obvious incapacity to face the wrath of God, who battered New Orleans, city of homosexuals."

Glad to see American goverment officials and al-Qaeda agree on something. :rolleyes:

Fundamentalism respects fundamentalism.

No, and neither did Santa,Thor, Loki, Zeus, The Easter Bunny, The Invisible Pink Unicorn or the FSM. Shit just happens.
Ah, but can you prove it wasn't the Invisible Pink Unicorn? :p

Hell no, hell no, and...hell no.

You could always blame it on George W. Bush, because everybody knows, when inaugerated presidents are given the power to control all natural disasters. :p

I'd like to know if there is anyone out there who seriously believes that God used the hurricanes to punish New Orleans for the sinful actions of the people living and visiting there.

The reason I ask; I was watching a news channel last night and an Alabama State Senator said God used the hurricanes to punish New Orleans.
Saying that it was some "divine punishment" ( :rolleyes: ) is really disgusting to me. What those stupid fundies want (both christian and muslim) is to take advantage of such a terrible event, spreading their hate message which is basically like: "See, so we were right, those homo sinners deserve to be punished by god and burn in hell"....

This case reminds me of those same american fundies in the 80's saying that AIDS was the divine punishment for gays, prostitutes and blacks.

If I was american I'd be very ashamed right now. :(

I'd like to know if there is anyone out there who seriously believes that God used the hurricanes to punish New Orleans for the sinful actions of the people living and visiting there.

The reason I ask; I was watching a news channel last night and an Alabama State Senator said God used the hurricanes to punish New Orleans.

God needs to send a hurricane to fly up that idiots ass .


This moron was ELECTED . There's others like him out there..... :eek:

You could always blame it on George W. Bush, because everybody knows, when inaugerated presidents are given the power to control all natural disasters. :p
Especially the ones who had set aside meeting times with God to discuss political decisions.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/26/AR2005092601613_pf.html

Purported al Qaeda Newscast Debuts on Internet

"The whole Muslim world was filled with joy" at the disaster, the anchorman said. He went on to say that President Bush was "completely humiliated by his obvious incapacity to face the wrath of God, who battered New Orleans, city of homosexuals."

Glad to see American goverment officials and al-Qaeda agree on something. :rolleyes:

Fundamentalism respects fundamentalism.


Really pathetic that you would put something like this up. Sad to see a ex-moderator do this. Perhaps thats why your an ex-moderator. You have no idea what fundamentalism is do you?

The reason I ask; I was watching a news channel last night and an Alabama State Senator said God used the hurricanes to punish New Orleans.
And I say God used the hurricanes to punish the White House.

It's just as valid... or stupid, depending on your POV.

If I was american I'd be very ashamed right now. :(

Ashamed.. of what Al-Queda News is saying, or an anonymous state senator some place? If you let one person's opinion make you ashamed of your entire country, no one anywhere would have any pride in anything at all..

In fairness, it wasn't an Alabama state senator who started this, it was Billie Graham's new frontman. Though, since I don't know otherwise, it is possible that a state senator has been running with the torch.

That said, OF COURSE GOD DIDN:T PUNISH NEW ORLEANS!

And here's the ammo for use against my more closed minded conservative friends.

First, after the Great Flood (old testament) God promised to never destroy the world by water again. In short, God got out of the punishing nations business.

Second, the cornerstone of Judeo--Christian (and to a lesser extent Mulism) faith is Free Will. God gave it to man, for man to use. Man -having a soul- has Free Will, Angles, not having souls, do as God tells them.

Angles don't get to go to New Orleans hang out in the BDSM clubs or tuck dollar bills in stripper's butt-cleavage. Man, or woman for that matter, get's to go to New Orleans and sink into a deep a pit of depravity as he/she likes. It's his/her choice, thier own Free Will.

For those who believe, the punishment for actions, even those carried out in New Orleans, is in the afterlife. Not now.

Third, and finally, if God had been punishing New Orleans, He'd not have spaired the French Quarter, where all the really good debauchery is to be found!

Ah, but can you prove it wasn't the Invisible Pink Unicorn? :p

Well played.

Ah yes. I was reading an artical stating that god sent this hurricanes to end an homosexual festival that was going on at the time of the hurricane.

My god have mercy on france...

Angels, not having souls, do as God tells them.

Angels don't get to go to New Orleans hang out in the BDSM clubs or tuck dollar bills in stripper's butt-cleavage.
Just one minor point.

The Uprising.

If angels have no free will, God meant for some of them to rebel and create all amounts of Evil. Thus, God punished the fallen ones for something He made them do.

Which makes God a bit of a bastard, really.

Ah yes. I was reading an artical stating that god sent this hurricanes to end an homosexual festival that was going on at the time of the hurricane.

My god have mercy on france...
Actually, I think the Netherlands have a lot more gay festivals than France does. I mean, we were the first to legalise gay marriage.

And most of the country lies below sea level.

Hmmm.

I guess I should start investing in a really big boat.

Just one minor point.

*snips*

Which makes God a bit of a bastard, really.

Well, the Judeo-Christio-Islamio God, anyway. He's a miserable old bearded man with a magnifying glass and a whole planetful of ants to singe, apparently... ol' bastard. I wish he'd find a hobby.

Ok, if God decided to punish New Orleans, what did Guatemala do?

yes god punished them....ohhh wait the old people died in the hospitals but the looters were still around :rolleyes:



ohhh and if god did do this i have two points:

1) there are cities with more sin then NO
2)and when it comes to siners,god has terrible aim.

I'd like to know if there is anyone out there who seriously believes that God used the hurricanes to punish New Orleans for the sinful actions of the people living and visiting there.

The reason I ask; I was watching a news channel last night and an Alabama State Senator said God used the hurricanes to punish New Orleans.
No! Of course not. It's due to the fact that the area is hurricane-prone.

I'd like to know if there is anyone out there who seriously believes that God used the hurricanes to punish New Orleans for the sinful actions of the people living and visiting there.

The reason I ask; I was watching a news channel last night and an Alabama State Senator said God used the hurricanes to punish New Orleans.

The senator need treatment for his delusions - there is no god.

My God, how can someone in this day and age blame God for what happened in New Orleans? It was a natural disaster, not the hand of God himself. Calling New Orleans a place for sinners is ridiculous. The man who said that should be fired from his job, generalising a city like that is just bad politics.

And Al Queda calling it the city of homosexuals shows what year they're living in, 900ad, year of the retards according to chinese astrology...joke!

By the way, I don't particularly believe in God. I believe that there is some power there as well as nature but not the God we've been told is there so I guess its kinda ironic I started this thread with "My God..."

I'd like to know if there is anyone out there who seriously believes that God used the hurricanes to punish New Orleans for the sinful actions of the people living and visiting there.

The reason I ask; I was watching a news channel last night and an Alabama State Senator said God used the hurricanes to punish New Orleans.
Ridiculous! :headbang:

I'd like to know if there is anyone out there who seriously believes that God used the hurricanes to punish New Orleans for the sinful actions of the people living and visiting there.

The reason I ask; I was watching a news channel last night and an Alabama State Senator said God used the hurricanes to punish New Orleans.

When natural disasters happen, it isn't always punishment, lets consider, just a few good things, or unusal things, thius might have cause for the good of humans, God's mysterious ways. :mp5:

Absolutely not. Why would God punish New Orleans for its comparatively tame degree of "immorality", while allowing the places where real evil occurs (like Tehran, or Beijing) to be spared? Why didn't he rain justice down on North Korea for killing thousands of civilians, or Iran for stoning women and homosexuals to death?

Really pathetic that you would put something like this up. Sad to see a ex-moderator do this. Perhaps thats why your an ex-moderator. You have no idea what fundamentalism is do you?
LOL, you know what?

It's a Washington Post article. Read the words.

If angels have no free will, God meant for some of them to rebel and create all amounts of Evil. Thus, God punished the fallen ones for something He made them do.

Which makes God a bit of a bastard, really.


Well duh, this is a guy that, by the most commonly defined perceptions, is someone who put an open cookie jar in the middle of the kitchen when the kids were home and hid in the fridge with a camcorder so he could jump out and say "AHA! I caught you! No supper for you!"

Ashamed.. of what Al-Queda News is saying, or an anonymous state senator some place? If you let one person's opinion make you ashamed of your entire country, no one anywhere would have any pride in anything at all..
I know what you mean... But a country where a SENATOR expresses such a point of view has a big problem. Or at least *Alabama* has a big problem. Sorry, I don't mean to offend you Americans, I actually like your country a lot. But the fact that a senator (who must have had a strong fundie support base to be elected, I suppose) uses a devastating hurricane to promote his message of hate, sorry, but that's NOT normal in a civilized 21st century western country.

I am God... and I had nothing to do with it.

I'm an Uber Spamgirl........WTF?

*after much crashing, I come out of the attic with a big picture*

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b383/DrkHelmet/Forum%20Pictures/85310tr.jpg

Absolutely not. Why would God punish New Orleans for its comparatively tame degree of "immorality", while allowing the places where real evil occurs (like Tehran, or Beijing) to be spared? Why didn't he rain justice down on North Korea for killing thousands of civilians, or Iran for stoning women and homosexuals to death?
Because to the people who view Katrina as just punishment from god, stoning gays and women is a good thing.

ohhh and if god did do this i have two points:

1) there are cities with more sin then NO
2)and when it comes to siners,god has terrible aim.

well have you ever tried to shotgun someone with hurricanes?
Flippin hard as hell..

Mother Nature is indifferent. but everything is interconnected. i believe the hurricane was caused by the overuse of fossil fuels and global warming, it had nothing to do with New Orleans, but with humanity in general.

Isn’t it funny how we have a big disaster every time we pressure Israel in to giving up land so Pan-Islam can have just a little bit more for its intercontinental empire? For that matter, isn’t it funny how the middle east has had so many huge earthquakes in recent years? Two Christmas’s in a row saw huge Islamic Earthquakes. This last Earthquake did not come on Christmas, but maybe one will. Then again, it was a great way to kick off Ramadan and came right after Rosh Hashanah ended.

Must be mother nature’s punishment for all those fossil fuels that get burned right.

Mother Nature is indifferent. but everything is interconnected. i believe the hurricane was caused by the overuse of fossil fuels and global warming, it had nothing to do with New Orleans, but with humanity in general.

To me, that is just as ridiculous as the Senator saying God caused the hurricane to hit New Orleans.

I heard a rumor that the hurricane came shortly after a certain well know Christian TV minister said the US should assasinate a certain ruler of a South American country.

Really pathetic that you would put something like this up. Sad to see a ex-moderator do this. Perhaps thats why your an ex-moderator. You have no idea what fundamentalism is do you?
Maybe it just hit too close to home


A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism.


The deffinition seems to fit his statement

No...I think the natural disasters that have been occurring lately are the result of Mother Nature giving us the backhand we so deserve. We'll probably see more later on too.

Can't say I don't love the idea of natural disasters killing people. Hell, I'd love it if Mother Nature got rid of us all.

-Asylum Nova

I'd like to know if there is anyone out there who seriously believes that God used the hurricanes to punish New Orleans for the sinful actions of the people living and visiting there.

The reason I ask; I was watching a news channel last night and an Alabama State Senator said God used the hurricanes to punish New Orleans.

First of all I completely respect the opinions of those who believe NO was the work of God....even tho we(as in Christians do not have a vengeful God, but thats beside the point)

However....when have ppl started to take what Senators say for granted...what happend in NO was caused by Nature..admittedly the way we treat the planet may have had something to do with it too.

Questions: Has the Senator from Alabama ever publicly stated he hears the voice of God in his head??

Because to the people who view Katrina as just punishment from god, stoning gays and women is a good thing.

Good point. :(

It was Mod not God, in fact: Paul Weller punished New Orleans with the hurricane because a bunch of chavs beat up his mate Ray Davies there a year or two back.

Isn’t it funny how we have a big disaster every time we pressure Israel in to giving up land so Pan-Islam can have just a little bit more for its intercontinental empire? For that matter, isn’t it funny how the middle east has had so many huge earthquakes in recent years? Two Christmas’s in a row saw huge Islamic Earthquakes. This last Earthquake did not come on Christmas, but maybe one will. Then again, it was a great way to kick off Ramadan and came right after Rosh Hashanah ended.

Must be mother nature’s punishment for all those fossil fuels that get burned right.
I don't accept any "mother nature" theories either, they're just as ridiculous as God. Mother Nature is not engaging in a war against America for polluting, nor helping America in the war on terror!

I'd like to know if there is anyone out there who seriously believes that God used the hurricanes to punish New Orleans for the sinful actions of the people living and visiting there.

The reason I ask; I was watching a news channel last night and an Alabama State Senator said God used the hurricanes to punish New Orleans.
Probably not. God could better use resources destroying a few other cities that truely deserve it. A few across the globe come to mind.

I don't accept any "mother nature" theories either, they're just as ridiculous as God. Mother Nature is not engaging in a war against America for polluting, nor helping America in the war on terror!


If there is one thing in Public Education that makes less sense than introducing Creationism, it is “Gaia Theory”. just listen to these neo-pagan crystal wavers, projecting their hatred of humanity on to rocks and trees.

There have always been hurricanes and water always flows from points of higher elevation to points of lower elevation. if one thing made this a disaster, it was all the stupid morons who could not find their way out of town with a week of advanced notice.

There have however, been a lot of coincidences. Two years in a row, Christmas Quakes. Pakistan just got a pretty good one too and the Hurricane did come close on our heels after pressuring Israel in to sacrificing more of its very limited land supply in the vane hopes of pleasing the Islamic Empire. If I had a weather machine, I would probably be behind most of this.

It makes me think of the "Madate of Heaven" of China. Baiscally it's when a dynasty is corrupt, the supreme ruler causes natural disaters to let the people know that a new dynasty is about to take over... Of course, that's an oversimplified explaination, but nevertheless...

right

I do believe God used Katrina to punish New Orleans.. He was punishing the engineers who thought it was a good idea to build a major metropolitan area next to the ocean and below sea level, as well as those who believed them. God is an engineer and can't stand to see people who pay no attention to basic hydrology (water usually seeks its own level).

That would be the French.

Throughout time, everyone seems to think that disasters are on the increase. I would say that it's not the disasters that are on the increase as much as a person's awareness of disaster. When one is five years old, 20,000 people killed in an earthquake doesn't even register as something to remember. As one matures, one becomes aware of the world around them to a greater extent.

As far as New Orleans being "punished" goes, I'm disgusted that people could even conceive such an idea.

Good to see that He punished Pakistan with that earthQuake too ! , that'll teach'em to let Bin Ladin in and out of the country !

*sigh*

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20051009009

God didn't punish New Orleans nearly as badly as Green Bay did today...

:D

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20051009009

God didn't punish New Orleans nearly as badly as Green Bay did today...

:D
Heh heh heh heh.....
Looks like the packers are back.. Losing 3 games for a combined total of 6 points must have lit a fire under them.

Does a piece of paper tear because it is sinful or because it is paper?

I have to agree Katrina and Rita where caused by building a major metropolis next to the ocean and below sea level. A good idea is when they rebuild is to move it 10 miles inland.

If this is God punishing the wicked, then how come he never punished Nazi Germany or strike Osama Bin Laden down?

If this is God punishing the wicked, then how come he never punished Nazi Germany or strike Osama Bin Laden down?

Well, if such a God exists, how much of an obligation does he have to interfere in affairs that men themselves can solve? And how frequently should those interferences happen? It's very difficult for mortals to comprehend. We're not God, nor can we purport to be anything close. It's very hard to play Monday morning quarterback on a being of alleged perfection. To judge God is a very bold concept.

Well, if such a God exists, how much of an obligation does he have to interfere in affairs that men themselves can solve? And how frequently should those interferences happen? It's very difficult for mortals to comprehend. We're not God, nor can we purport to be anything close. It's very hard to play Monday morning quarterback on a being of alleged perfection. To judge God is a very bold concept.

I have my morals and values and I stand by them even in the face. Even if it means damnation. If God does something immoral then it is immoral.

[QUOTE=MaxslayersGod didn't punish New Orleans nearly as badly as Green Bay did today...
:D[/QUOTE]

I know. First the hurricane, then the pro-team gets demolished by a bunch of people who dress funny (green and yellow, ick), and the fans dress like cheese.

Let's consider the source. An alabama state senator.
I didn't see any reason for this thread to continue after this was said.

Good to see that He punished Pakistan with that earthQuake too ! , that'll teach'em to let Bin Ladin in and out of the country !

*sigh*


Maybe Indra wants Pakistan out of Kashmir?

No, and neither did Santa,Thor, Loki, Zeus, The Easter Bunny, The Invisible Pink Unicorn or the FSM. Shit just happens.

You forgot Cthulhu...he's a crafty one.

You could always blame it on George W. Bush, because everybody knows, when inaugerated presidents are given the power to control all natural disasters. :p
I thought that came with the keys to the White House toilet?

Did God punish New Orleans?
No. This is my opinion.

I'd like to know if there is anyone out there who seriously believes that God used the hurricanes to punish New Orleans for the sinful actions of the people living and visiting there.

The reason I ask; I was watching a news channel last night and an Alabama State Senator said God used the hurricanes to punish New Orleans.
That is opinion. People are entitled to it.

Let's consider the source. An alabama state senator.

That and the fact that the least affected area was the French Quarter - aka, "Gay Central" - it seems that states with Christian fundamentalists that bash homosexuals seem to get a damn site more natural disasters than any other state.

Maybe its Gods punishment for no respecting gods fabulous people :P

You forgot Cthulhu...he's a crafty one.
No, its that damn coyote!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/26/AR2005092601613_pf.html

Purported al Qaeda Newscast Debuts on Internet

"The whole Muslim world was filled with joy" at the disaster, the anchorman said. He went on to say that President Bush was "completely humiliated by his obvious incapacity to face the wrath of God, who battered New Orleans, city of homosexuals."


Wait till the Big One hits San Francisco.

As part of the New Covenant given to man, through the sacrifice of Jesus, was the part of God to step back and take more of an observer role. This means that unlike Sodom and Gahmora (sp varies) God will not strike down cities of sin particulairly since it has gotten to the point that there are always at least the dozen men and women of God present in the city.

no othewise it would have killed the rich ones rather then the poor black (often but not always) citizens

also I thought he was suppossed to be good and all forgiving

if he's punished new orleans then what a complete bastard

you could see it like that.

I dare say it was the laws of logic (yep, no capitals here...) that punished the people in charge of the dams for not keeping their dams in good shape.

Perhaps you could also blame it on the global warming, but we do not know enough about this phenomenon to know for sure.


It can't really be a punishment by god because if the dams had been in a better shape, the city would still be in a good shape, too. Sad enough...

Despite the mold, mud and flooded buildings, New Orleans is still there. Consider that we don't even know for sure where Sodom and Gomorrah were.

No, God didn't rain His wrath down on Sin City.

Despite the mold, mud and flooded buildings, New Orleans is still there. Consider that we don't even know for sure where Sodom and Gomorrah were.

No, God didn't rain His wrath down on Sin City.
To be fair we have a few thousand years of TIME between us and the suposed Sodom and Gomorrah

Not to mention we dont have an exact location to start looking
Hardly comparable

I'm up for Allah actually :p