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Just a little poll I made to see if what people think would happen if the EU fell?

Nato.

See the Book of Revelation. :eek:

It would still be a big cluster of countries, just not so united.

I imagine that memberstates would take a ecomonic hit. And there'd be hard feeling all over the shop. And we'd have o start changing our passports and money when we visit each other. And other stuff too, on doubt.

What would happen if the EU broke apart?We would do a big Celebration Party (most of US) :D :D :p :D

Nothing would change.

The EU should've remained a pure economic union...not a politcal super state bureaucracy.

Presumably, France would start dropping bombs on the UK because of what happened at Dunkirk.

The UK would send out their airforce to drop bombs on France because they just haven't shown enough gratitude about Dunkirk.

Greece would probably install a fascist regime and drive Turkey out of Cyprus.

The Netherlands would inva- sorry, annex Belgium, since they are really the southern Netherlands, after all.

And then Andorra would launch all of those WMDs they've been hoarding and the world would be destroyed.

I think it'd be mixed. On the security front, things would be terrible. Eastern Europe, too weak to defend itself, would fall back into a Russian sphere of influence, and Southeastern Europe, with its endless swarm of Middle Eastern immigrants, may turn into a little Middle East. Western Europe may be fine for a while, but without the East, it has no room for economic expansion or to assist on security problems.
That isn't to say that there wouldn't be beneficiaries. The UK, long an independent spirit, would work fine, and it'd now be free to have a security, diplomatic, and economic agenda of its own. And Italy would further isolate itself in la-la land, forgetting how foolish it is.

Nothing would change.

The EU should've remained a pure economic union...not a politcal super state bureaucracy.

Yes, agree with this. Economic union was the main intent and should remain so. I think because of historic differences there will be always be a problem politically. I could never imagine British or French for that matter letting the other have some political control over it. Just dont see it. I could say that for alot of other nations in the union. There are old grudges that will pop up and threats of withdrawl from the union. I think the obstacles are to large to overcome for a true political union.

Nothing much. They've spent thousands of years as independents and only a handful as a block which has not been too cohesive anyway.

Nothing much. They've spent thousands of years as independents and only a handful as a block which has not been too cohesive anyway.

We've also spend thousands of years at war with each other and only a handful as a block which no longer rains weapon of mass destruction upon each other.

It would suck for the smaller countries anyway
Some political parties in Ireland argue that Ireland would have been better off without the EU in the first place...he didn't take into consideration that EU funds helped build our roads, motorways and new infrastructure since 1972 I do believe. Ireland would be affected badly but countries would keep existing trade deals with each other cuz noone wants to pass a sweet deal

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a new aryan order would rise to save the white race from extinction, and the muslim hordes plaguing europe would be driven out or at least sent to albania.

Yes, agree with this. Economic union was the main intent and should remain so. I think because of historic differences there will be always be a problem politically. I could never imagine British or French for that matter letting the other have some political control over it. Just dont see it. I could say that for alot of other nations in the union. There are old grudges that will pop up and threats of withdrawl from the union. I think the obstacles are to large to overcome for a true political union.

Seconded.

Probably nothing since no one really cares about Europe.

Probably nothing since no one really cares about Europe.

Apart from the five hundred million or so people that live there...

...probably turn into a post-EU europe. Wait a bit longer and enemities might develop again, or they might not. Or maybe we'd just join together in a different way.

Probably nothing since no one really cares about Europe.

You should. The EU's intistuions are the powerful political bodies in your country*

*I assume you're European.

Nothing much. Western Europe's learnt its lesson and wont drift back to fascism. Each country would continue as an independent democracy too clever to invade its neighbours.

Surely the phrase "post-EU Europe" doesn't actually describe anything other than the fact that the EU would no longer exist, which is the basis of the question.

But anyway, the EU can never truely collapse now. At the very least the Common Market will continue, since all the countries within the EU rely on it for more than 50% of their trade. And as long as the common market exists it will be necessary to regulate it in some manner and therefore there will have to be some form of pan-European body to regulate it.

I'd also say that it is necessary for the future prosperity of every European country, including the UK, that the EU integrates further. The EU represents one of the most powerful economies and one of the most powerful political forces in the world and if it wants to be able to compete with China and India and continue to have some say in the shaping of world order, it will have to present a united front.

The cultures in the various states aren't all that different. In fact, the EU, apart from its language barriers, is probably more homogenaic that the US, since the place is smaller and more populous, meaning that it is more densely populated and there is more interaction between the people. Most differences are superficial and just add up to make the EU a more interesting place.

The only thing that gets in the way of European integration is history, and that is just sad. History has shaped our countries yes, but it should have no effect on how we interact now. To quote James Joyce, "History is a nightmare from which we are trying to awake"

We's all be better off, and not paying for french farmers :P

*Braces for impact*

Surely the phrase "post-EU Europe" doesn't actually describe anything other than the fact that the EU would no longer exist, which is the basis of the question.

But anyway, the EU can never truely collapse now. At the very least the Common Market will continue, since all the countries within the EU rely on it for more than 50% of their trade. And as long as the common market exists it will be necessary to regulate it in some manner and therefore there will have to be some form of pan-European body to regulate it.

I'd also say that it is necessary for the future prosperity of every European country, including the UK, that the EU integrates further. The EU represents one of the most powerful economies and one of the most powerful political forces in the world and if it wants to be able to compete with China and India and continue to have some say in the shaping of world order, it will have to present a united front.

The cultures in the various states aren't all that different. In fact, the EU, apart from its language barriers, is probably more homogenaic that the US, since the place is smaller and more populous, meaning that it is more densely populated and there is more interaction between the people. Most differences are superficial and just add up to make the EU a more interesting place.

The only thing that gets in the way of European integration is history, and that is just sad. History has shaped our countries yes, but it should have no effect on how we interact now. To quote James Joyce, "History is a nightmare from which we are trying to awake"


I couldn't have said it better myself -- nicely put and spot on.

Europe would be saved!

I'd like to amend my answer. I voted revert to post-EU. But it really should read 'Revert to post EU except for thousands of unemployed beuracrats on the dole'

a new aryan order would rise to save the white race from extinction, and the muslim hordes plaguing europe would be driven out or at least sent to albania.
Gotta appreciate a little underhanded sarcasm in people... :D

The EU will collapse under the weight of its own buearacracy soon enough. How many pages is the constitution up to now?

Probably nothing since no one really cares about Europe.

I am shocked that no one has made a bigger deal about RR posting.

I hope the E.U. does break apart. It'll be a big kick in the nuts to the New World Order.

It would be a defeat for global capitalism.

It would be a defeat for global capitalism.

How so? Communists are behind the E.U. Their goal is to scrap away all national sovereignty and gradually merge all countries into a totalitarian socialist world dictatorship.

I am shocked that no one has made a bigger deal about RR posting.
I've come to accept the ignorance of outsiders (and certain Anglo-Phobes) as a part of life...I can't be bothered to explain the EU again.

I don't know why, but some people look at the EU like it's a bad thing...but I guess early US settlers had to deal with the same thing when Virginians were asked to get together with New Englishmen...

How so? Communists are behind the E.U. Their goal is to scrap away all national sovereignty and gradually merge all countries into a totalitarian socialist world dictatorship.
The EU is a neoliberal project that attempts to take away all power from elected governments and transfer it into the hands of unelected bankers and bureaucrats who are only interested in ensuring the free movement of capital and increasing the profits of multinational corporations. Almost all Communists are opposed to the EU and their goal, far from creating some sort of dictatorship, is to ensure that everyone has a democratic say over how their society is run which is something clearly not compatible with the EU in its present form.

I take offense to you adding a choice stating a new Nazi Germany. Why would that happen?

Communists are behind the E.U. Their goal is to scrap away all national sovereignty and gradually merge all countries into a totalitarian socialist world dictatorship.
ROFLMAO!!!

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Hmm...never really thought about that.

Well, if the EU broke apart, we'd all be stuffed. All of Europe's economies (Britain is not excempt in any way) get thrown back into complete turmoil.

Most European businesses work on an EU-wide scale now. That includes pretty much all medium-sized businesses. You can say goodbye to all of those.

So we'll have 75 million unemployed people...if you calculate the extra effects of international investors fleeing the place, and the multliplier effects of so many businesses having to either shrink or disappear, then 75 million is scarily attainable, I reckon.

What follows I don't know. Chances are it will have something to do with state-controlled business and nationalisation, antagonism towards neighbours and so on.

Internationally we'd get eaten alive by the Chinese, provided we wouldn't kill each other again in some sort of WWIII... :D

I hope the E.U. does break apart. It'll be a big kick in the nuts to the New World Order.
It would be a defeat for global capitalism.
:p I like how these two appear right one after the other.

I take offense to you adding a choice stating a new Nazi Germany. Why would that happen?

well cuz that's what we've been working toward here at odessa international for over 60 years.

Nazi Germany is just stupid, Nazism doesn't work. Imperialism FTW!

I hope the EU collapses. Prevents turkey from flooding Europe with the muzzie horde.

Nazi Germany is just stupid, Nazism doesn't work. Imperialism FTW!

I hope the EU collapses. Prevents turkey from flooding Europe with the muzzie horde.

that right diss the nazis we understand, you have to inorder to remain respectible... just keep the heathen hordes at bay and we're all cool brother.

It would still be a big cluster of countries, just not so united.
I'd agree. But the economy would take a huge blow too.

I don't think heathen is the word you're looking for. See, I'm an Odinist.

We should shut down the EU and replace it with a free trade agreement.

We would do a big Celebration Party (most of US) :D :D :p :D



OK, I have to ask. What business is it of ours what the EU does internally? Why should the US be eager to see it fail?

Any chace I'll get a serious reply to this, or just juvenile jokes?

OK, I have to ask. What business is it of ours what the EU does internally? Why should the US be eager to see it fail?
There appears to be a strong impression in the U.S. that organized competition on this scale is a bad thing.

Me thinks that the U.S., in some ways, is still stuck in the post WWII "we have the only economy that was not creamed so bow down to us!" thinking mode.


Any chace I'll get a serious reply to this, or just juvenile jokes?
PS: Neener! Neener!

What would happen if the EU broke apart?I Will celebrate with the Man...

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/gallery/2002/04/22/lepen.jpg
...Big ..BIG Celebration Rave..

:D ;) :D :D

A yes, Le Pen. What a fantastic set of values he stands for....French Nazism. Woo!

Well, the European market would take a hit... other than that, not much.

Not much? The European market is in the top 4 markets in the world. Actually, I'm pretty sure it's the biggest market in the world, but economists don't always count it as a single market,despite the fact that the single market was supposed to have been finalised in 1992.

Anyway, the point is, that's a pretty big hit

The EU probably won't fall apart. If it did, though, it would be over some trade scuffle between France and Germany. There would be plenty of posturing, no real action, and in the end all the member nations would go on with their lives as they were ca. ten years ago.

How so? Communists are behind the E.U. Their goal is to scrap away all national sovereignty and gradually merge all countries into a totalitarian socialist world dictatorship.

Wow. So why is the EU removing regulations on industry and pusing through neoliberal economic policy AND TRYING TO BAN COMMUNIST SYMBOLS?

It's run by fat bureaucrats who want to make a quick €1,000,000 for signing their name. One day the EU Palaces in Strasbourg and Brussels will collapse under the weight of several rainforests' worth of paper.

Well, the European market would take a hit... other than that, not much.
You do realise that all the economic blocs are linked by globalised trade right? If the EU fails economically, the US economy goes 'Pfft', as does the East Asian, heck even China would take a knock.

Everything is globalised and interlinked these days. Its not 'Oh, well we'll be ok.'

Wow. So why is the EU removing regulations on industry and pusing through neoliberal economic policy AND TRYING TO BAN COMMUNIST SYMBOLS?

It's run by fat bureaucrats who want to make a quick €1,000,000 for signing their name. One day the EU Palaces in Strasbourg and Brussels will collapse under the weight of several rainforests' worth of paper.


To be fair, different people in the EU institutions have different aims. There is a strong element of neo-con sympathy in the EU at the moment, but at the same time there has always been a strong socialist element too.

The aim behind the European Union is very socialistic.

The aim behind the European Community/Common Market is very capitalistic.

But the EC is part of the EU


Basically the EU is rather psychotic. I personally support European Union from the Socialistic perspective - the aim of creating a huge international entity which can tackle the power of multi-national companies, encourage cultural harmony and perhaps, in the long term, have a realistic chance of creating a democratic, socially liberal, communistic state (Although that is very, very long term)

A yes, Le Pen. he did prevail. He was very happy when the No side won...

LePen 1-0 EU.

What would happen if the EU falls?

In the middle term, Berlusconi would invade Albania. Then Greece. And thus...

Now seriously; it can't happen. The considered as most plural society in the world shows no signs of weakness. No, americans, it is true political plurality, not weakness!

And Le Pen is just a joke like the Austrian one. Fascism/nazism/racism can rise again due to the USA influence, but don't worry; Spain has defeated it, at least for a while, and other countries can, too.

Just a little poll I made to see if what people think would happen if the EU fell?

Europe would just go back to what is was before: a collection of sovereign countries, each with their own currency. Probably not a bad idea, either.

he did prevail. He was very happy when the No side won...

LePen 1-0 EU.

Errr...I'm not sure what this adds to the debate. I said he was a Nazi and had a horrendous set of values and you said " he was happy when the no side won"...

Whatever... The EU will work, although we may not want it.

Ps.: I want it!

Nazi Germany is just stupid, Nazism doesn't work. Imperialism FTW!

I hope the EU collapses. Prevents turkey from flooding Europe with the muzzie horde.
Some of us need and want immigrants.

I would be very disappointed because I want an E.U nation :mad:

it would also lead to a power struggle over what country leads Europe

I would be very disappointed because I want an E.U nation :mad:

it would also lead to a power struggle over what country leads Europe

Europe is the country; no country would rule Europe. I guess a council of the State and Government heads; or -more participative and interesting- European elections absolutely independent of the national ones; this is, with its own parties, thinkers, members, etc.

And, BTW, sometimes inmigrants are good.

I guess Turkey would be slightly disappointed... ;)

I'd be happy for Europe because the member states would regain their soveriegnty.

I'd be happy for Europe because the member states would regain their soveriegnty.
Because now they're... not?

None of this answers why so many of my countrymen should be positively giddy at the prospect of the EU failing. Several people have claimed the EU is some sort of communist plot. Communists from where? A bunch of countries that are no longer communist? Can any of you offer proof that the EU is communist other than to say "because it is"? I rather suspect that many sheeple define communism as "anything the U.S. doesn't completely dominate". Please prove me wrong without flaming. I need to have my faith in my fellow Americans restored.:headbang:

1.- The Turkish Government is applying to join.
2.- The european countries are sovereign. Their citizens choose their government individually, and some countries have kings.

None of this answers why so many of my countrymen should be positively giddy at the prospect of the EU failing. Several people have claimed the EU is some sort of communist plot. Communists from where? A bunch of countries that are no longer communist? Can any of you offer proof that the EU is communist other than to say "because it is"? I rather suspect that many sheeple define communism as "anything the U.S. doesn't completely dominate". Please prove me wrong without flaming. I need to have my faith in my fellow Americans restored.:headbang:
Several people? So far I've only seen Lewrockwellia post something along the lines of 'Communists are behind the EU', and honestly... you might want to consider the fact that certain things other people say may not be meant to be taken too seriously.

...but then... this is where the fun starts :p

It can be hard to tell what's serious and what's a joke on these boards. I guess I just need to know that people like that aren't in the majority in this country, especially if this rhetoric was meant to be taken seriously.

I really believe Portugal and Spain would begin a small war for Olivença, wich is a disputed territory since way back when..
Then the English and the French would use the excuse of medievel aliances to hack at eachothers countrys, and there would be the perfect opurtunity for the U S to conquer the world. But nevertheless, Portugal will get Olivença back.

I really believe Portugal and Spain would begin a small war for Olivença, wich is a disputed territory since way back when..
Then the English and the French would use the excuse of medievel aliances to hack at eachothers countrys, and there would be the perfect opurtunity for the U S to conquer the world. But nevertheless, Portugal will get Olivença back.
You forget that apart from the EU, there is one little thing called NATO... NATO members cannot attack each other :)

Portugal (and maybe Spain) would become Europe's Latin America, poor, corrupt and unstable. The eastern countries would eventually pass to Russia's area of influence. Europe would lose its political influence. It would be terrible. The USA are big, China is getting bigger, the Middle East is getting more extremist and Russia is getting more and more authoritarian. These 25 (or more) small european countries need to stick together in order to stay powerful and safe.

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Because now they're... not?
Considering that the head honchos of the EU aren't even elected by the people, I don't consider them very legitimate rulers...
And what sense does it make for a country to have legislative power over another country (through the EU parliament)? Not very much, methinks