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Can anyone refute that? Don't think so.

I refute.

Well, you do have a point. He's the only President of the 21st century. :headbang:

what about the presidents of all the other country's?

but then again you don't here too many good things from them :(

Well, you do have a point. He's the only President of the 21st century. :headbang:

Thus, you cannot refute my point.

:rolleyes:

'Great' meaning what? He's the least literate for starters. Least respected internationally. Least informed about the world.

Often, you get a leader who has a good feel for the pulse of the nation and the world. Bush doesn't have that.

Kodos is the best president of the 21th Century...you'll see.

Thus, you cannot refute my point.

Which is only valid for the next few years.

He is also quite possibly the biggest prick on the planet along with pete doherty. Fuck it, americans are just wankers in general

Clinton was a better US President for the month or so of 2001 (because the 21st century started in 2001, and yes, I am anal about that) that he served than Bush has been for his five years in office, so yes, I refute your assertion Serapindal, and I mock whilst doing so.

See? See? I'm mocking you here! Mockmockmock! :D

Well, you do have a point. He's the only President of the 21st century. :headbang:
Hahaah you beat me to it

I refute the point by claiming that the French President is the best president of the 21st century.

Please note, there's probably a better one than the French, but thus the American President, Bush, is not the best of the 21st century.

Maybe the best US President of the 21st century... (but then also the only one).

because he is the ONLY president in the 21st century. Of all time, he is the worst US president. However, there were other bad ones, like Eisenhower.

Bush was the best president of the 21st century, because Clinton did nothing in his time.

Can anyone refute that? Don't think so.

I think the question would be less refutable were the point arrisen as: "George W. Bush is the greatest United States President of the 21st Century"...

I think the question would be less refutable were the point arrisen as: "George W. Bush is the greatest United States President of the 21st Century"...
I think thats what he meant...

Once again to just emphasize the point again.

The US is not the only country to have presidents.

Therefore, Bush is not the greatest president.

Bush was the best president of the 21st century, because Clinton did nothing in his time.
Well, he did do some stuff in his last weeks in office--executive orders, pardons, etc--but even if the net effect is that he did nothing, at least he did no net harm to the country, and that puts him light years ahead of Chimpy McFlightsuit.

Once again to just emphasize the point again.

The US is not the only country to have presidents.

Therefore, Bush is not the greatest president.
yeah. Bush is the worst president ever, and notjust the worst US president.

this is the stupidest thread i've ever seen

In what reality are you referring to? If you are talking about the one we currently reside, then this must be a joke of epic proportions.

because he is the ONLY president in the 21st century. Of all time, he is the worst US president. However, there were other bad ones, like Eisenhower.

dont forget abraham lincoln, i wrote a school report about how he was an awful president

Only putin is only worse 21st century president than this Bush Jr....

Hmm, isn't Robert Mugabe's title 'President of Zimbabwe'? I'd say he's marginally better than Bush - at least he had the decency to only fuck up his own country and get his own citizens killed - and his country isn't fucking up the climate, invading everywhere else... well you see where I'm going with this.

Please note 'marginally', and also that this is in relation to Bush. This does not mean in any way that I condone Mugabe's regime. He is in fact a total bastard.


But still better than Bush :D

dont forget abraham lincoln, i wrote a school report about how he was an awful president
Abraham Lincoln was good. Eisenhower was bad, as he gave the US an unconstitutional pledge.

Well, you do have a point. He's the only President of the 21st century. :headbang:
Using that same logic I can state that he is the worst US President of the 21st century

Bush was the best president of the 21st century, because Clinton did nothing in his time.

Good point, Clinton didn't do much of anything the ~19 days he spent as president within the 21st century. (January 1st - January 20th, 2001)...

Using that same logic I can state that he is the worst US President of the 21st century
No, it only works one way. : D

Good point, Clinton didn't do much of anything the ~19 days he spent as president within the 21st century. (January 1st - January 20th, 2001)...
As I said above, even if Clinton didn't do much of anything, that's light years ahead of the damage inflicted on us by Bush--that makes Clinton a better 21st century US president.

Bush was the best president of the 21st century, because Clinton did nothing in his time.

By that logic a person who goes to work everyday and takes care of their family is lesser than a person who goes to work and kills his boss and then comes home and murders his family in their sleep. Correct? I mean the first dude didn't do anything, but the second guy's life is full of "fun" and "adventure".

Please note 'marginally', and also that this is in relation to Bush. This does not mean in any way that I condone Mugabe's regime. He is in fact a total bastard:D

as, to be fair, is bush, due to his whole policy of starting wars with every country which hasnt sent america a christmas card in the past 30 years

Well, you do have a point. He's the only President of the 21st century. :headbang:

that also means he's the worst president of the 21st century. let's hope that when we get more presidents into the good ol' twenty-one, we have nobody nearly as bad as him.

this is the stupidest thread i've ever seen


Indeed... I won't put a comment, as it'll offend anyone who agrees with whoever started this one. :headbang:

Hahahahahahaha...

Can anyone refute that? Don't think so.
I disagree. I prefer Jacques Chirac, and Chavez isn't too bad either. :p

Not by much, but they're better than Dubya anyway. :D

You didn't say "George W. Bush is the greatest U.S. president ever in the 21st century." :P

George W. Bush is the greatest president ever the 21st century.
Can anyone refute that? Don't think so.

I refute because…

1) 21st century only began, so, there is little point of appointing “The greatest president ever the 21st century”; it would be fair to wait and see what 21st century has to offer. ;)

2) IMO, Bush is among the worst presidents ever; probably rivaled only by Russian President Elzin.

Only putin is only worse 21st century president than this Bush Jr....

Actually, IMO, Putin quite a good president. Not only he isn’t running amuck invading various small countries, but he actually attempts to bring some order into such a royally messed-up country as Russia, from the look of things.

P.S.

By the way, I don’t consider all those African presidents-turned-dictators as “presidents”. It is they way person comes to power (and remains in power) which defines president from dictator, not how he calls himself.

George Bush is CURRENTLY the best AMERICAN president of the 21st century.

There are other countries which have presidents, and as soom as 2008 rolls around, whomever is elected will be the best American president of the 21st century at that time. ;)

bush is the worst 21 century president, I gnore my post saying that he was the only, as he is not.

Bush was the best president of the 21st century, because Clinton did nothing in his time.

I think CLinton was for exactly the same reason's you have given...

George Bush is CURRENTLY the best AMERICAN president of the 21st century.

There are other countries which have presidents, and as soom as 2008 rolls around, whomever is elected will be the best American president of the 21st century at that time. ;)
:eek: MOD BIAS!!! *runs around*

(j/k)

And I think Clinton's 19 days were better, btw. Unless you count 2000 as being in the 21st century, in which case, Clinton's 384 days were better. ;)

I refute because…

Actually, IMO, Putin quite a good president. Not only he isn’t running amuck invading various small countries, but he actually attempts to bring some order into such a royally messed-up country as Russia, from the look of things.


True, he's only invading one small country....

And I think Clinton's 19 days were better, btw. Unless you count 2000 as being in the 21st century, in which case, Clinton's 384 days were better. ;)

No, the first 70 days of his presidency in the year 2000. After March 10, 2000 the NASDAQ burst and it was a slow, grinding road downhill from there.

"George W. Bush is the greatest president ever the 21st century."

Clearly he's not doing his job right if American citizens can't even use basic grammar skills.

Thus, you cannot refute my point.
Exactly, so this thread is pretty much pointless, it doesn't have anything to debate about.

"George W. Bush is the greatest president ever the 21st century."

Clearly he's not doing his job right if American citizens can't even use basi grammar skills.
Although everyone else isn't all too perfect, either.

That was obviously a typo. However, the thread title is far less obvious..

I know, I just love doing that.

True, he's only invading one small country....
and plans to invade other nations after that. Also he did a terrorist attack, and blamed it on Al-Qaeda, so he can use it for propaganda.

The best president of the 21st century is probably one of those that
have a ceremonial office only.


I think East Timor's president Xanana Gusmao holds a ceremonial office only.




He helped the people of East Timor end 450 years of continuous foreign occupation, so he was pretty easily elected.
http://www.gov.east-timor.org/AboutTimorleste/pres.htm
To Resist Is To Win

:rolleyes:

'Great' meaning what? He's the least literate for starters. Least respected internationally. Least informed about the world.

Often, you get a leader who has a good feel for the pulse of the nation and the world. Bush doesn't have that.

how the hell is he the LEAST respected? he's the leader of the most powerfull country in to world!

Actually, IMO, Putin quite a good president. Not only he isn’t running amuck invading various small countries, but he actually attempts to bring some order into such a royally messed-up country as Russia, from the look of things.




Didn't he kill like 20,000 Chechnyans?
Or was Boris Yelstin partially responsible.

Did he kill some Dagestanians too?





Roots of Chechnya Wars: Russia's Sovereignty
http://covertaction.org//content/view/45/0/

On October 7, 1999, Chechen President Aslan Maskhadov sent a letter to outgoing NATO Secretary-general, Javier Solano. The president of the breakaway Russian republic called upon the alliance "to intervene in accordance with the new world order."1
In order to understand the roots of the current terrible war between Russia and Islamic fundamentalist insurgents in the Federated Republic of Chechnya, and to begin to understand the reasons for foreign interference—both covert and overt—it is necessary to review a few historical facts.

Chechnya: More Blood for Oil
http://www.covertaction.org/content/view/46/75/

Backing up Globalization With Military Might
http://www.covertaction.org/content/view/71/75/

he's the leader of the most powerfull country in to world!
soon to lose its power.

and plans to invade other nations after that. Also he did a terrorist attack, and blamed it on Al-Qaeda, so he can use it for propaganda.

Are you one of those crazy people who think that hurricane Katrina is a government conspiracy?

Are you one of those crazy people who think that hurricane Katrina is a government conspiracy?
No. Katrina is not. 11/9 definatly is.

no, there really ARE people who think that. like bush created a needlessly big weather machine and launched it on New orines called "operation jazz man" it's kinda sad.

I totally disagree.
Jaques Chirac has done a pretty solid job in France. :D He's also a president.

Is this the same President who said that God told him to invade Iraq?

I quote from the Independant:

President George Bush has claimed he was told by God to invade Iraq and attack Osama bin Laden's stronghold of Afghanistan as part of a divine mission to bring peace to the Middle East, security for Israel, and a state for the Palestinians.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article317805.ece

where the hell do you get that info?

Did you read the link?

If you want i can get you some more links.

He is also quite possibly the biggest prick on the planet along with pete doherty. Fuck it, americans are just wankers in general

pete doherty is not the biggest prick on the planet.

Well fuck him. I'm american and proud of it.

Can i just ask, what are you proud of?

and proud


uh-oh,

one of the 7 deadly sins....

Kodos is the best president of the 21th Century...you'll see.

Why thank you, I really appreciate that. You spelled my name wrong though.

Actually, Clinton was president for the first 19 days of 2001.

:rolleyes:

'Great' meaning what? He's the least literate for starters. Least respected internationally. Least informed about the world.

His greatness is only relative to the other presidents of the 21st century. Which means nothing since he was the only one.

i don't think it really matters what all of us think...because no matter how much we bitch and complain our voice really doesn't count...look at the polls...most of america doesn't want to be in Iraq...LOOK AT THESE FORUMS...this is the only pro-Bush forum i have seen...and this is a joke....so by saying how much you hate Bush or even how much you love Bush...you vote doesn't count and your voice is ignored....

my stance on the war and Mr Bush?

out of all honesty i don't really care...i'm going to support the troops because i have family and friends and friends family (oh the list goes on)...but as far as Bush is concerned...i don't care, he won't be here forever...

Even when giving the poster the benefit of the doubt by assuming he meant "best United States President elected since the turn of the 21st century," he is simultaneously the worst.

Can anyone refute that? Don't think so.

No, I can't refute, but that's a bit like saying a bunny should be proud of his pacifistic tendencies. In both cases what you are saying is technically true, but only by virtue of lack of ability and not actual choice.

I certainly refute. I would say just as one example, Tarja Halonen is far better (although, to be fair, it's not hard to be better than George Bush Jnr).

because he is the ONLY president in the 21st century. Of all time, he is the worst US president. However, there were other bad ones, like Eisenhower.

You don't know history very well, do you?

George Bush is the worst president in the 21st century, can anyone refute my point?

Can anyone refute that? Don't think so.

I refute. America isn't the only country with a president. Hell look at President Putin.

You've been refuted.

George Bush is the worst president in the 21st century, can anyone refute my point?


hear, hear.

Tarja Halonen is far better

Hear, hear!

I agree 100% :)

i don't think it really matters what all of us think...because no matter how much we bitch and complain our voice really doesn't count...look at the polls...most of america doesn't want to be in Iraq...LOOK AT THESE FORUMS...this is the only pro-Bush forum i have seen...and this is a joke....so by saying how much you hate Bush or even how much you love Bush...you vote doesn't count and your voice is ignored....

1. Calling NS General a pro-Bush forum is like calling Ted Kennedy anorexic.
2. Most Americans disagree with the initial decision to go into Iraq. (Kind of late to change your mind!) However, they do believe we should remain now that we're in there.

I think we should take a poll here. Or at least make a bet. How many more "George W. Bush is the greatest/worst president ever" threads will there be before I go kill someone?

$50 says it's around three or four.

Can anyone refute that? Don't think so.

I agree only because i hate terrorists and he wants to kick their asses. :mp5: :sniper: hehehehe (im Canadian fyi) If it was up to me Canada would kick some ass overseas 2 but our military is horribly underfunded and thus sucks.

Kodos is the best president of the 21th Century...you'll see.

Well done... well done.

I agree only because i hate terrorists and he wants to kick their asses. :mp5: :sniper: hehehehe (im Canadian fyi) If it was up to me Canada would kick some ass overseas 2 but our military is horribly underfunded and thus sucks.
not that you guys would actually need it; I think your rowboat and guy with M1 rifle is good enough. :p

because he is the ONLY president in the 21st century. Of all time, he is the worst US president. However, there were other bad ones, like Eisenhower.

Dude if your going to criticize republican presidents don't go for Eisenhower. How about Hoover or Nixon. Grant, Harding, or Coolidge weren't so great either, but EISENHOWER he did the same as Clinton. Nothing! Actually, the economy was booming and he did not get us into any wars (which wasn't easy then).

George Bush is the greatest president of the 21st Century. He is also the worst. You have to take in the fact that Clinton's job was a lot easier than Bush's. Bush has made major mistakes, but he is not evil and he did not cause 9/11 that was Al Qaeda. Bush's biggest mistake by far was the post-war plan in Iraq. He did a piss-poor job and our soldiers have been praying the price for many months. O and to whoever mentioned Operation Jazzman, that is really similar to Indonesian terrorists claiming that the U.S. launched a nuke to cause the tsunami. Notice how similar terrorist propaganda is to the far left's propaganda. :cool:

He is also quite possibly the biggest prick on the planet along with pete doherty. Fuck it, americans are just wankers in general
Ordinarily, I think this would be considered a flame, but since you opened the door, this AMERICAN says FUCK OFF! What does your country have to offer anyways?

Well, he did do some stuff in his last weeks in office--executive orders, pardons, etc--but even if the net effect is that he did nothing, at least he did no net harm to the country, and that puts him light years ahead of Chimpy McFlightsuit.
Yah! Ignoring Al Quieada wasn't nothing. You really need a history teacher living with you, Nazz

Oh you silly mortal forgetting alternate time streams and the fact that time is a giant Jelly Donut...

Also, isn't gibberish inherently impossible to refute since it makes no coherent point?

Yah! Ignoring Al Quieada wasn't nothing. You really need a history teacher living with you, NazzYou're the one who needs a history teacher, SN. At the very least, you need to stop getting your "news" from talk radio and the Free Republic.

Ordinarily, I think this would be considered a flame, but since you opened the door, this AMERICAN says FUCK OFF! What does your country have to offer anyways?

What does England have to offer?

Do you really want us to go down that route?

What does England have to offer?

Do you really want us to go down that route?
Don't bother arguing with these types. This looks like the typical arrogant American too caught up in their nationalistic ego to see clearly. These are the people that I have to deal with everyday. *sigh*

Can anyone refute that? Don't think so.
I can refute that since I don't consider him a 'President' I don't believe he's in control of the country hence he's not the Commander in Chief.

Can anyone refute that? Don't think so.

It's already been said, but this is easy to refute. Plenty of nations have Presidents.

The world doesn't revolve around the United States.

not that you guys would actually need it; I think your rowboat and guy with M1 rifle is good enough. :pIn all fairness, Mike's damn good with that rifle.

You know, its small wonder why no one likes America when you see the arrogant, self centred attitude being displayed here.

You know, its small wonder why no one likes America when you see the arrogant, self centred attitude being displayed here.

Which would make your comments so much more valid, where they not demonstrating themselves, the same attitude.

Really, children, grow up...

Can anyone refute that? Don't think so.

Mind if I wait a few years to answer...?

Clinton was a better US President for the month or so of 2001 (because the 21st century started in 2001, and yes, I am anal about that) that he served than Bush has been for his five years in office, so yes, I refute your assertion Serapindal, and I mock whilst doing so.

See? See? I'm mocking you here! Mockmockmock! :D

OMG - this is twice in the same week that I've had to agree with Nazz! What's happening to the universe?? :P

It can be refuted because the 21st Century is not over.

Wow, this is wrapping around interestingly!