NationStates Jolt Archive


If Holodecks were put on the market next week...

Kejott
08-10-2005, 13:32
Would you purchase one? Let's say it's about $5,000 and you had to pay a yearly subscription fee of $800. What would you do in your holodeck?
SimNewtonia
08-10-2005, 13:49
Would you purchase one? Let's say it's about $5,000 and you had to pay a yearly subscription fee of $800. What would you do in your holodeck?

No, I wouldn't - too expensive. I might pay for a once-off use of a public one though (Think of the possibilities!)

I might consider taking out a business loan for one of these. It'd make for an interesting bar... I could imagine people paying $$$ for it.
Tactical Grace
08-10-2005, 13:57
Hell yeah!

Because we all know what the 'killer application' would be: recreational sex.

Birthrates would plummet, as people would realise that you can have 'the real thing' on demand, for much less, with no emotional risk or commitment.
The Noble Men
08-10-2005, 14:02
Hell yeah!

Because we all know what the 'killer application' would be: recreational sex.

Birthrates would plummet, as people would realise that you can have 'the real thing' on demand, for much less, with no emotional risk or commitment.

Exactly.

In fact, what's the bet companies are trying to make similar devices right now?
Hakartopia
08-10-2005, 14:15
Same thing I do with all technology, wait for prices to drop, functionality to increase, and make sure it won't kill me.
Tactical Grace
08-10-2005, 14:21
Same thing I do with all technology, wait for prices to drop, functionality to increase, and make sure it won't kill me.
I'm thinking the 'early adopters' are going to have to be a brave bunch indeed. Prices will be insane, and if it runs on a Windows platform... :eek:
Hakartopia
08-10-2005, 14:23
I'm thinking the 'early adopters' are going to have to be a brave bunch indeed. Prices will be insane, and if it runs on a Windows platform... :eek:

Maybe you're right... *pushes Tactical Grace in* You try first. :)
Tactical Grace
08-10-2005, 14:26
Maybe you're right... *pushes Tactical Grace in* You try first. :)
"Hey there! Ohhh... fuck yeahhh...
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*whipping sounds, screams*

Nah. The first buyers will be red light district establishments. Let the professional perverts try it out.
Phylum Chordata
08-10-2005, 14:45
If it's as safe as the holodeck in Star Trek, then maybe mass murderers should be sentenced to spend a couple of weeks in it.
Galloism
08-10-2005, 14:49
If it's as safe as the holodeck in Star Trek, then maybe mass murderers should be sentenced to spend a couple of weeks in it.

If they survive, they're free? Sounds interesting.
Liskeinland
08-10-2005, 14:51
I'd wait for prices to drop, as I always do.

Then I'd buy/alter some program so that I could try out what I've wanted to do all my life; run around the place hacking people to death with magic axes. :)

Anyone willing to join me in this? ;)
Mekonia
08-10-2005, 15:02
Of course! Of course that fee would have to include maintainance..
what would I do with it...well that would be telling! :eek:
AnarchScorpia
08-10-2005, 15:17
Recreational pleasures aside, I can see a lot of good uses to it.
I could afford anything I can't afford in real life inside one.
I'd sleep in my huge holodeck palace and I'd start each morning being served with food and getting bathed by my BDSM fashion dressed female slaves.
Maybe even demand a blowjob if I'm still sleepy.
Then, for a few minutes of wake-up sport I could sniper hunt corrupted politicians or bomb corporate headquarters.
Beautiful.
I think I'd get addicted :D
Drunk commies deleted
08-10-2005, 15:20
That's not a bad price for the ability to live in different time periods, explore every fantasy, even create your own world to live in. Sure I'd get one.
Plator
08-10-2005, 15:32
Holodeck would be awesome. Of course there's the sex part. Let's see there's Alyssa Milano, Natalie Portman, Farah Fawcett (Charlie's Angles Version), my next door neighbour, a bunch of hotties from high school. Damn I's gotta go take a cold shower. Between romps I'd be recreating Dungeons and Dragons games from when I was a teenager. I forget how to use those damn dice though!!!! :fluffle:
Zero Six Three
08-10-2005, 15:35
yeah I can see a market in selling my holographic image to lonely housewives...
Thekalu
08-10-2005, 15:37
what is a holodeck
Tactical Grace
08-10-2005, 16:27
what is a holodeck
:rolleyes:

What do you mean? You never even made it to the Planet of the Nymphomaniacs? What a loser... :(
Plator
09-10-2005, 19:07
what is a holodeck
A holodeck is the ultimate virual reality. You program in a scenario and the computer makes it a reality. The people are living, breathing entities. The surroundings are real as well. So let's say you are in love with someone who hates your guts. You put all her/his charactersitics in the computer yet you tell the computer to make that person madly in love with you (or whatever you want) and - shazzam - there she/he is. Think of the possibilities.
Pure Metal
09-10-2005, 19:10
oh hell yes i would, i'd sell my own grandma just to get one :D
and then say 'fuck the world' as i go off into my shiny new holodeck, never to be seen again...

and i suppose thats the real danger behind em, too - i mean, why would you ever leave (assuming you can eat in there, too)?
Cheese penguins
09-10-2005, 19:13
i would buy one then get it to make lots of donuts then eat lots of donuts then die of high cholestral before i have finished paying for it :D
Ifreann
09-10-2005, 19:14
I'd prob wait for a cheaper version to come out.then i'd spend the rest of my life in there,having copious amounts of sex with many many women.
Kejott
09-10-2005, 19:14
oh hell yes i would, i'd sell my own grandma just to get one :D
and then say 'fuck the world' as i go off into my shiny new holodeck, never to be seen again...

and i suppose thats the real danger behind em, too - i mean, why would you ever leave (assuming you can eat in there, too)?

Yep you can eat, it replicates things you can consume (like food and water) while everything else is purely holographic and tractor beam based. So you really have no reason to leave :P
Undelia
09-10-2005, 19:18
Bah, with my luck it would malfunction and kill me.
Pure Metal
09-10-2005, 19:18
Yep you can eat, it replicates things you can consume (like food and water) while everything else is purely holographic and tractor beam based. So you really have no reason to leave :P
you couldn't eat in early holodecks ;)
and besides i was wondering how the repilcator system would be built into the H/D grid... cos the HD holds photons with complex force fields/tractor beam hybrids, to my understanding, while repicators re-jig the mollecular structure of biomass to make real food, not just photons
but then they eat food on the H/D in star trek episodes, so obviously you can :P

[/star trek nerd]
Pure Metal
09-10-2005, 19:20
Bah, with my luck it would malfunction and kill me.
yeah you'd have Professor Moriarty running after your blood in no time :p :p
Henry Miller
09-10-2005, 19:20
$5000? fuck, I'm pay $500,000 for something like that!
Ilura
09-10-2005, 19:22
but then they eat food on the H/D in star trek episodes, so obviously you can :P
Maybe they just prepared some sandwhiches for themselves before going in.
Kejott
09-10-2005, 19:31
you couldn't eat in early holodecks ;)
and besides i was wondering how the repilcator system would be built into the H/D grid... cos the HD holds photons with complex force fields/tractor beam hybrids, to my understanding, while repicators re-jig the mollecular structure of biomass to make real food, not just photons
but then they eat food on the H/D in star trek episodes, so obviously you can :P

[/star trek nerd]

Well you have to remember. A replicator is sort of like a transporter, so a computer controlled replicator could "beam" food anywhere in the holodeck, just as long as there's raw matter to convert it from (shit, piss, toenail clippings, whatever :P).
Pure Metal
09-10-2005, 19:41
Well you have to remember. A replicator is sort of like a transporter, so a computer controlled replicator could "beam" food anywhere in the holodeck, just as long as there's raw matter to convert it from (shit, piss, toenail clippings, whatever :P).
ah yeah thats true (duh :headbang: )

Maybe they just prepared some sandwhiches for themselves before going in.
not too good for me - i never want to leave my holodeck and its twin triplets of claudia schiffer ever again ;) :D
JuNii
09-10-2005, 20:25
Oh yeah... Everquest on a Holodeck... all the dark elves in Chain mail Bikinis... aw heck. All the gals in Chail mail Bikinis... :D





:rolleyes:

Except the darves, trolls and frogloks... ;)
Baran-Duine
09-10-2005, 20:50
Between romps I'd be recreating Dungeons and Dragons games from when I was a teenager. I forget how to use those damn dice though!!!!
:rolleyes: you roll them :rolleyes:
JuNii
09-10-2005, 21:04
actually, I would live in it. if one can replicate food in it, then it would be my house.

800/year rent is very, very cheap.

imagine creating a whole building of em and charging rent. imagine, the ease for furnishing them... and wanna kick someone out, then plug in and create an army of "Hells Angels" to kick em out.
Saxnot
09-10-2005, 21:09
Hell yeah. I'd just spend all my time in it. I wouldn't need to buy a house or anything, i'd just magic it up in there. :D
Kejott
09-10-2005, 21:11
actually, I would live in it. if one can replicate food in it, then it would be my house.

800/year rent is very, very cheap.

imagine creating a whole building of em and charging rent. imagine, the ease for furnishing them... and wanna kick someone out, then plug in and create an army of "Hells Angels" to kick em out.

That's a damn good idea. Holodeck apartments! Or even better, Luxury Holosuite Condo's!
Chellis
09-10-2005, 21:12
Of course I would. And, assuming it wouldn't be super easy to make programs(As opposed to star trek, I think it would be hard to just press a few buttons, and have a perfect replica of X-person, etc), I would make a living off of selling the programs.
Kejott
09-10-2005, 21:16
Of course I would. And, assuming it wouldn't be super easy to make programs(As opposed to star trek, I think it would be hard to just press a few buttons, and have a perfect replica of X-person, etc), I would make a living off of selling the programs.

If you have a photograph or a video of somebody you can ask the computer to calculate and estimate how that person would look and feel from all angles, hell if you have a clip of them speaking you can even ask the computer to replicate their personality based on what's contained in the clip. It's all been done in ST.
Fingolfin Unleashed
09-10-2005, 21:20
Of course I would use it. I would spend forever re-enacting Fingolfin's battle with Morgoth, and I would slay him.
Chellis
09-10-2005, 21:23
If you have a photograph or a video of somebody you can ask the computer to calculate and estimate how that person would look and feel from all angles, hell if you have a clip of them speaking you can even ask the computer to replicate their personality based on what's contained in the clip. It's all been done in ST.

Possibly so, but things much more complex could be done by humans.

And for 5k, I'm guessing all the computer power is focused toward maintaining the forcefields, etc.
The Noble Men
09-10-2005, 21:27
$5000? fuck, I'm pay $500,000 for something like that!

Then again, they'd be cheap to buy, but to use them would be expensieve. Energy would be extreme, and in the beginning, there'd only be a handful of programs because the thing would be a bitch to program, and these programs would be expensive.

Then again, $5000 one shot, $800 a year afterwards and however much the program costs to sleep with Uma Thurman...worth it.
Ifreann
09-10-2005, 21:39
Imagine what would happen to the internet porn industry.they'd be rolling in dough.hang on,couldnt you just use it to create massive amounts of money to pay all the bills for its purchase and maitenance?sweet,i want one!

Now I know why they have no currency in star trek!it's not because society has evolved beyond the need for it,it's because the made replicator technology so anyone can become a multi-gazillionaire in a matter of seconds,thus making money worthless.
JuNii
09-10-2005, 21:41
Then again, they'd be cheap to buy, but to use them would be expensieve. Energy would be extreme, and in the beginning, there'd only be a handful of programs because the thing would be a bitch to program, and these programs would be expensive.

Then again, $5000 one shot, $800 a year afterwards and however much the program costs to sleep with Uma Thurman...worth it.but can you imagine networking to other holosuites...

add a telecommunication package and you'll never leave your holodeck again.

report in to work, (change the suite to your office)
return home and meet up with your friends. (Link to their suites and create your favorite bar/club... and fill it with hotties.)
get drunk off of replicated alcohol...
go home (easy without worrying about DUI or getting into accidents... no Designated Drivers )
sleep with your holo sweetheart...
get up to go to work (repeat)

the Holodeck (from Star Trek) will spell the end of mankind as we know it.
Chellis
09-10-2005, 21:44
Imagine what would happen to the internet porn industry.they'd be rolling in dough.hang on,couldnt you just use it to create massive amounts of money to pay all the bills for its purchase and maitenance?sweet,i want one!

No.

A. You cant take things out of the holodeck.

B. Even it did somehow work, inflation would just blow up.
Ifreann
09-10-2005, 21:47
No.

A. You cant take things out of the holodeck.

B. Even it did somehow work, inflation would just blow up.

Make a credit card with a massive limit and no interest ever.,and see my edit about infaltion and the economy in general.it would cease to exist.


think of the increase in accountant suicides.
The Noble Men
09-10-2005, 21:50
the Holodeck (from Star Trek) will spell the end of mankind as we know it.

For the better or worse?
Kejott
09-10-2005, 21:51
No.

A. You cant take things out of the holodeck.

B. Even it did somehow work, inflation would just blow up.


Actually you can take items off the holodeck. Some items can specifically be recreated to be taken off like guitars, clocks, chairs, etc. You just can't take holographic characters off.
JuNii
09-10-2005, 21:53
Make a credit card with a massive limit and no interest ever.,and see my edit about infaltion and the economy in general.it would cease to exist.


think of the increase in accountant suicides.still wouldn't work, Credit Cards are tied in with Financial Institutions, your card (if replicated) won't work, even through On line transactions. the reason why there WAS no money in Star Trek was that it didn't fit in with Roddenberry's ideal society. but after he passed away, Currency made it's appearance in the Star Trek universe. (thanks mostly to the Ferengi)
Liskeinland
09-10-2005, 21:54
My bloodlust is being stoked by the thought of this wonderful invention.
JuNii
09-10-2005, 21:55
Actually you can take items off the holodeck. Some items can specifically be recreated to be taken off like guitars, clocks, chairs, etc. You just can't take holographic characters off.Really? when did this happen?

are you sure those items were not "Replicated" then 'Ported' into the holodeck?

Now, replicating Money... :D
The Noble Men
09-10-2005, 21:57
My bloodlust is being stoked by the thought of this wonderful invention.

Take away the blood and you sum up my viewpoint.

"Oh, that's a pretty dress, what does it look like on my floor..."

We can but dream.
Kejott
09-10-2005, 22:03
Really? when did this happen?

are you sure those items were not "Replicated" then 'Ported' into the holodeck?

Now, replicating Money... :D

Yep they were replicated but all holodecks come with standard replicators. It's an essential part of a holodeck.
JuNii
09-10-2005, 22:18
Yep they were replicated but all holodecks come with standard replicators. It's an essential part of a holodeck.so one can live in a holodeck. with replicated food and water, turning waste back into matter to be re-arrainged for other items.
Ifreann
09-10-2005, 22:19
still wouldn't work, Credit Cards are tied in with Financial Institutions, your card (if replicated) won't work, even through On line transactions. the reason why there WAS no money in Star Trek was that it didn't fit in with Roddenberry's ideal society. but after he passed away, Currency made it's appearance in the Star Trek universe. (thanks mostly to the Ferengi)

Fine,i bow to your superior knowledge of holodeck technology.although in saying that i still feel as though ive won for some reason
The Noble Men
09-10-2005, 22:21
so one can live in a holodeck. with replicated food and water, turning waste back into matter to be re-arrainged for other items.

So if I had a grilled cheese sandwich, it very well could be my own waste products?

Eww!
Kejott
09-10-2005, 22:22
so one can live in a holodeck. with replicated food and water, turning waste back into matter to be re-arrainged for other items.

Yes that is quite correct, but I assume that you'd have to go out and buy a supply of raw matter for the replicator every now and then. From the Enterprise-D schematics they have a huge storage area for this raw matter specifically designed for replicator usage.
The Noble Men
09-10-2005, 22:25
Yes that is quite correct, but I assume that you'd have to go out and buy a supply of raw matter for the replicator every now and then. From the Enterprise-D schematics they have a huge storage area for this raw matter specifically designed for replicator usage.

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JuNii
09-10-2005, 22:27
Ifreann, not holodeck technology, but simple economics. that's how credit cards work, now, Replicating money... with different serial codes, that will be possible, unless a program was placed to prohibit that from happening....

Oh and Noble Men, don't think too hard on the water you use now to shower with, cook with, as well as drink. ;)


Yes that is quite correct, but I assume that you'd have to go out and buy a supply of raw matter for the replicator every now and then. From the Enterprise-D schematics they have a huge storage area for this raw matter specifically designed for replicator usage.Raw matter... like say Garbage? and if the replicated items are not used, can they not then be used to turn back into such raw material to be re-used?
Swimmingpool
09-10-2005, 22:32
Holodeck characters and objects are not replicated. They are projections of light.
Ifreann
09-10-2005, 22:32
Ifreann, not holodeck technology, but simple economics. that's how credit cards work, now, Replicating money... with different serial codes, that will be possible, unless a program was placed to prohibit that from happening....

Oh and Noble Men, don't think too hard on the water you use now to shower with, cook with, as well as drink. ;)


Raw matter... like say Garbage? and if the replicated items are not used, can they not then be used to turn back into such raw material to be re-used?

meh,whatever.ATM i have no need for knowledge of the intricate workings of a credit card,as i dont have one.
Kejott
09-10-2005, 22:34
Raw matter... like say Garbage? and if the replicated items are not used, can they not then be used to turn back into such raw material to be re-used?

Yep, I assume that when a starship docks with a starbase it gets stocked with something other than trash and waste from the crew. Probably something like carbon maybe? I can see people getting carbon refills every once in a while.
Quasaglimoth
09-10-2005, 22:42
"and if it runs on a Windows platform..."

lmao. good point.

still,once they work out all the potential bugs....hell yeah!


oh...and yes,i would be soooooo naughty....hee hee hee....

consider it stress relief or a type of therapy....
Hyridian
09-10-2005, 22:56
interesting that the first use people would see for a holodeck thing is "intament recreation".

damn good idea tho.

I'd also try to get to to run paintball or airsoft also. that be cool.