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Yep that's right, no school for me (which is bad 'cause I'm in grade 12). Besides hanging around with my friends out in the rain, how should I kill time during the strike? *poll*

Masterbate, eat pizza & play GTA.

Become a sex addict and blame the teachers.

watch porn and sleep.

EDIT: you might want to eat too.

Whatever you do, do it whilst masterbating. Hell you can surf the General Forum with one hand if you're skilled enough.

Whatever you do, do it whilst masterbating. Hell you can surf the General Forum with one hand if you're skilled enough.lol, hope I'm skilled enough not to get jizz on the keyboard. :D

lol, hope I'm skilled enough not to get jizz on the keyboard. :D
The real concern is getting it on the mouse. You loose all grip when trying to scroll down.

The real concern is getting it on the mouse. You loose all grip when trying to scroll down.

I really wish I didn't read that... :D

I really wish I didn't read that... :D
Ah but you did, and now it's burnt into your mind like that time you walked in on your parents...

Ah but you did, and now it's burnt into your mind like that time you walked in on your parents...

HOW'D YOU KNOW!!! GET OUT OF MY HEAD! :headbang:

I'm glad to see that Western PA isn't the only place on earth that suffers teacher strikes.

I guess teachers everywhere never learn that when you strike, your only hurting the kids.

This is a sad day for Canada. :(

Does anyone know if they are forced to go back to work after a certain number of days?

I'm glad to see that Western PA isn't the only place on earth that suffers teacher strikes.

I guess teachers everywhere never learn that when you strike, your only hurting the kids.

This is a sad day for Canada. :(

Does anyone know if they are forced to go back to work after a certain number of days?
Why they're striking is actually pretty interesting. The local legislature has given them a wage freeze for two years and has been refusing to come to the table, instead the teachers were given their contracts by force of legislation. I'm not sure I would have voted to strike under those conditions, but I know I would be pissed off if my wages were frozen for two years and there was no chance at bargining for a contract because it was written into law.

http://www.thetyee.ca/Views/2005/09/26/Teachersstrike/

I don't think they're getting paid to strike, so do they just get replaced when they all starve? :p

Why they're striking is actually pretty interesting. The local legislature has given them a wage freeze for two years and has been refusing to come to the table, instead the teachers were given their contracts by force of legislation. I'm not sure I would have voted to strike under those conditions, but I know I would be pissed off if my wages were frozen for two years and there was no chance at bargining for a contract because it was written into law.

http://www.thetyee.ca/Views/2005/09/26/Teachersstrike/

So why was their wages frozen?

Besides, striking never really solves anything. Ok, in the past they did. They help bring about massive labor reform however, when teachers strikes, the only people getting hurt are the kids and parents alike.

Now parents have to shelve out money to pay for day care, sitters, ect. so that they can go to work. This hurts single parent homes more just for that reason.

Now we'll have kids on the streets and thus, I'll expect a surge in the crime rate.

Again, this is truly sad :(

So why was their wages frozen?

Besides, striking never really solves anything. Ok, in the past they did. They help bring about massive labor reform however, when teachers strikes, the only people getting hurt are the kids and parents alike.

Now parents have to shelve out money to pay for day care, sitters, ect. so that they can go to work. This hurts single parent homes more just for that reason.

Now we'll have kids on the streets and thus, I'll expect a surge in the crime rate.

Again, this is truly sad :(
Unfortunately that is the cost of ensuring competant teachers. If you want good teachers you need to come to the table with good wages.

I actually oppose the strike myself (and yes, I am a student) - while I can understand the teacher's position, something like a 3 week strike (which IMO is certainly a possibility) will have a noticeably negative effect on the progress of students, especially those in the higher grades.

Incidentally, I did my homework on the first day of the strike :p

So why was their wages frozen?
Everything I read (in about 5 minutes so take with a grain of salt), this was due to buget shortfalls a few years back, but they note that BC is now far into the black and that 2,600 teaching positions have been cut.

Besides, striking never really solves anything. Ok, in the past they did. They help bring about massive labor reform however, when teachers strikes, the only people getting hurt are the kids and parents alike.
As a teacher I don't like it at all, but, unfortuately, I also live in world where the powers that be won't listen unless you do strike.

I actually oppose the strike myself (and yes, I am a student) - while I can understand the teacher's position, something like a 3 week strike (which IMO is certainly a possibility) will have a noticeably negative effect on the progress of students, especially those in the higher grades.

Incidentally, I did my homework on the first day of the strike :p

Good for you. If I were you, I'd read ahead so that when you get back, your ahead of the game :)

Good for you. If I were you, I'd read ahead so that when you get back, your ahead of the game :)
I actually have an easy time right now, considering that I've just concluded some major units in some of my core classes, so sufficiently to say there wouldn't be too many tests to study for :)

In New York teachers going on strike get sent to jail :p


Personally I support the teachers education is the most important thing because it deals with the future generations. Even if you spend all your time building up the economy if the next generation are full of idiots it'll get screwed up no matter what you do.

Well both my parents are teachers, so I'm biased, but I say support your teachers join the strike, teachers just don't get as much appreciation or compensation as they deserve for puting up with the shit that goes with the job.

Or the parents and students can do a counter-strike! It happened in one of the school districts around here.

The Parents and students fought back against the teachers for the same reasons I've posted here.

The people getting hurt are the kids and their education.

Or the parents and students can do a counter-strike! It happened in one of the school districts around here.
How do you counter strike?

How do you counter strike?

I guess strike really was the wrong word. I guess I should've said they protested the Teachers strike would've been more accurate.

Umm... pretty easy. Left mouse button for fire, W for walk, and right mouse button for scope.

Er, wait, that's something else entirely.

Never mind.

Umm... pretty easy. Left mouse button for fire, W for walk, and right mouse button for scope.

Er, wait, that's something else entirely.

Never mind.
:p

Umm... pretty easy. Left mouse button for fire, W for walk, and right mouse button for scope.

Er, wait, that's something else entirely.

Never mind.
Ok... I walked into that one. :D

Ladies and Gentlemen:

The BC goverment has legislated the teachers back to work with a meaninless forced collective agreement.
Here's a Bill 12 debate Hansard transcript:
1st reading: http://www.leg.bc.ca/hansard/38th1st/h51003p.htm#bill12-1R
2nd reading: http://www.leg.bc.ca/hansard/38th1st/h51004a.htm#bill12-2R
http://www.leg.bc.ca/hansard/38th1st/h51004p.htm#bill12-2R
http://www.leg.bc.ca/hansard/38th1st/h51005p.htm#bill12-2R
3rd and final reading (draft transcript): http://www.legis.gov.bc.ca/hansard/...1007p-blues.htm
And Bill 12:
http://www.legis.gov.bc.ca/38th1st/1st_read/gov12-1.htm

Despite making the job action illegal, the BCTF already voted to defy the legislation.
Here's a BCTF news release dated Oct 5th:
http://www.bctf.ca/newsreleases/Arc...005-10-05a.html

I believe Bill 12 is not an answer to end labour disputes and it does not address such issues such as class sizes.

This is truly a sad day for kids in our province. :(

any discussion

I'm sorry. The fun had to end.

I'm a BC student, and I feel utterly betrayed by both sides of the issue. It's true that the teachers are asking for nothing that they do not deserve (for the most part), and the government certainly shouldn't have passed bill 12 without even consulting the teachers. But if teachers care for students half as much as they profess to, they should understand that there must be a better way to resolve the issue than jeopardising the academic careers of tens of thousands of innocent students.
I'm exasperated. I'll be the one responsible for doing extra homework to make up for my missed classes, and, to top it off, if the strike continues for much longer, I can almost count on the school musical I've been working my butt off rehersing for will get cancelled, because we've already missed 2 1/4 hours of rehersal, and that's after one day.
Life is so unfair!

I'm sorry. The fun had to end.
Concerning my education,
Do I like to see teachers going on strike... NO
Do I like having 40 classmates in my Math 12 class... NO
Do I like to have a 4 day school week (which may happen in my school district)... NO

Cutbacks are taking a toll on education, imagine: 3 student with learning disability, no child care workers, being enrolled in a 35+ student class.

Well from now on, I have to educate myself while the battle rages on.
I'm graduating this year and this is the worst I can experience.

Concerning my education,
Do I like to see teachers going on strike... NO
Do I like having 40 classmates in my Math 12 class... NO
Do I like have a 4 day school week (which may happen in my school district)... NO

Cutbacks are taking a toll on education, imagine: 3 student with learning disability, no child care workers, being enrolled in a 35+ student class.

Well from now on, I have to educate myself while the battle rages on.
I'm graduating this year and this is the worst I can experience.

Ouch. You've got it worse than me (I'm only in grade 11), so you must be feeling really worried.

At least you're leaving next year.

And that's in Prince Rupert Secondary School, with one and only Principles of Math 12 class for the whole year!

At least you're leaving next year.
And next year I'll be in Vancouver :D :D :D



*sniff*

Wait. All the teachers in the whole province went on strike?

What exactly were the details leading to the strike? I know that there was something about the gov. passing legeslation concerning the teachers contracts with out previous negotiating, or something like that, but was there more to it than that?

Wait. All the teachers in the whole province went on strike?That's right

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Ladies and Gentlemen:

The BC goverment legislated the teachers back to work with a meaninless forced contract.
Here's a Hansard transcript:
http://www.legis.gov.bc.ca/hansard/38th1st/H51007p-blues.htm
note: draft transcript

Despite making the job action illegal, the BCTF already voted to defy the legislation.
Here's a BCTF news release dated Oct 5th:
http://www.bctf.ca/newsreleases/Archive/2005/2005-10-05a.html

This is truly a sad day for kids in our province. :(

TCR, though we hardly ever agree on anything, I agree with you here. This is truly a sad day for the kids there :(

I guess teachers everywhere never learn that when you strike, your only hurting the kids.

I guess taxpayers everywhere never learn that refusing to paying a wage one can actually live on is hurting both the teachers AND the kids.

Besides, some parents seem to consider school as a giant babysitting service and get royally peeved when we close down for little things like massive blizzards and flooding because it's too inconvenient for them to make alternate arrangements for childcare.

Now parents have to shelve out money to pay for day care, sitters, ect. so that they can go to work.

Yes, imagine that. Having children is a responsibility.

When our teachers went on strike,we decided to go on strike a few days later when school was back

In New York teachers going on strike get sent to jail :p

Actually, no. But they get fined for twice as many days as they stay out. So if you strike for a week, they take two weeks pay.

Or the parents and students can do a counter-strike! It happened in one of the school districts around here.

The Parents and students fought back against the teachers for the same reasons I've posted here.

The people getting hurt are the kids and their education.

Happened in the Seattle area about 10 yrs ago. I thought at the time good for the parents and kids. The teachers union in the state of Washington think they are gods. Its really sad, bunch of elitist saying how much they are worth and we better pay. Privatize schools I say!

Yes, imagine that. Having children is a responsibility.

:rolleyes:

True but it is also money lost because of a strike! Money that could've been used to buy food or clothes.

Teachers gotta learn that when they strike, they are only hurting the kids that they are supposed to be educating.

B.C. teachers have been subjected to imposed contracts four times since 1993.

In other words, EVERY TIME in the last 4 times they've tried to negotiate a contract in the last 12 years, the provincial government (both NDP and Liberal), has imposed a contract. Meanwhile, class sizes are increasing, funding has been slashed for services like librarians, teaching assistants, special education, English-as-a-second-language, and for non-core studies, such as music and shop classes.

It should be no surprise that negotiations between the B.C. Public Employers’ Association (BCPSEA) and the BCTF failed to reach an agreement. The government ordered BCPSEA not to engage in real bargaining. It was told that there could be no wage increases—teachers had to accept zero-zero-zero. Which doesn't even address cost of living.

I work in the private sector, and if I were told I had to accept 0% wage increases over 3 years, I would think: a) they don't value my work. b) the company is in big trouble, and it's time for me to go find a job elsewhere. c) they think I suck, and yet, they're not firing me. WTF?

Yep that's right, no school for me (which is bad 'cause I'm in grade 12). Besides hanging around with my friends out in the rain, how should I kill time during the strike? *poll*F*#k with their minds. do homework. :D

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discuss in this thread

God im so stupid, I made two threads about bc teachers. Im gonna either merge them or deat one of them

F*#k with their minds. do homework. :D
I am... :p

Cross-posted from other BC teacher strike thread:

B.C. teachers have been subjected to imposed contracts four times since 1993.

In other words, EVERY TIME in the last 4 times they've tried to negotiate a contract in the last 12 years, the provincial government (both NDP and Liberal), has imposed a contract. Meanwhile, class sizes are increasing, funding has been slashed for services like librarians, teaching assistants, special education, English-as-a-second-language, and for non-core studies, such as music and shop classes.

It should be no surprise that negotiations between the B.C. Public Employers’ Association (BCPSEA) and the BCTF failed to reach an agreement. The government ordered BCPSEA not to engage in real bargaining. It was told that there could be no wage increases—teachers had to accept zero-zero-zero. Which doesn't even address cost of living.

I work in the private sector, and if I were told I had to accept 0% wage increases over 3 years, I would think: a) they don't value my work. b) the company is in big trouble, and it's time for me to go find a job elsewhere. c) they think I suck, and yet, they're not firing me. WTF?

Concerning my education,
Do I like to see teachers going on strike... NO
Do I like having 40 classmates in my Math 12 class... NO
Do I like to have a 4 day school week (which may happen in my school district)... NO

Cutbacks are taking a toll on education, imagine: 3 student with learning disability, no child care workers, being enrolled in a 35+ student class.

Well from now on, I have to educate myself while the battle rages on.
I'm graduating this year and this is the worst I can experience.
Wtf happened to the 5th day of school? Community service?

BTW, lets abandon this thread and discuss here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9768947#post9768947

Wtf happened to the 5th day of school? Community service?Nope, part of a "3 day" weekend :p

yet another great day for unions

lol

if you don't get your way, just go on strike and try to force management to bend to your whining. cripes, a 2-year salary freeze? that's not that bad. in some companies people don't get raises for years. does it suck? sure. but it's a lot better to stay in your job at your current pay than to go on strike, hurt the company (in this case, the students) and perhaps lose your job in the process.

this sucks for the kids...

the schools should hire fill-ins so that the kids won't be in class in July... don't let them think that they win when they strike.

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as for what you should do with your time... are your lakes frozen yet? if so, take a bottle and a tent out onto a lake and drill a hole/drop a line. hehe

yet another great day for unions

lol

if you don't get your way, just go on strike and try to force management to bend to your whining. cripes, a 2-year salary freeze? that's not that bad. in some companies people don't get raises for years. does it suck? sure. but it's a lot better to stay in your job at your current pay than to go on strike, hurt the company (in this case, the students) and perhaps lose your job in the process.

So, in your job, you would be okay if the government imposed your contract for the last 12 years?

Finally got two teachers thread merged into one :p