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I'm 14
Freshman in high school
Disrespected because I (almost) lost a fight to a small kid in 8th grade

Ok, there's this kid I sit with in the morning as we're waiting to go to our first class. Him and I dont get along. We fight, and our friends often get caught in the cross fire. Well on Thursday, I was scrambling to get out to get the bus in the morning. I overslept. So, fastfoward about 40 min. We're ready to go to our first class. He says "I'll bet you 5 dollars your shirt is inside out" I say "Whatever" and he says "Check your tag d***bag" and im like Oh shit. So I fix the error in the bathroom.

Fastfoward 24hrs.

Now, the kid comes up to me and says if I dont have the 5$ by Tuesday, we'll get in a fight.

What do I do here?

There are three options

1) Get in the fight.
PRO: If I win, it will pritty much cancel out the pussy fight I got in in 8th grade.
CON: My school has a 0 tolerance policy for fighting. If I get in a fight, I could get a weeks worth of suspension or a few saturday schools.

2) Go complain to the office
PRO: I avoid the fight, and the kid gets punished for harassment.
CON: I dont get in the fight, I dont have a chance to prove I can fight, and, there is a small chance it could be leaked that I snitch.

3) Pay him the money
PRO: There is no more conflect
CON: I will be subdueing to him and showing he is stronger then me. I do not want that.

So, any advice?

Edit: This kid is shorter then me, but he wressles.

It's only five dollars, kick him in the nuts.

CON: My school has a 0 tolerance policy for fighting. If I get in a fight, I could get a weeks worth of suspension or a few saturday schools.
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Your first mistake was to admit your shirt was inside out.

To rectify that, you must start wearing all your shirts inside out. And never, ever admit that this is anything but normal. Then demand five dollars from him, because your shirt is not inside out, it's meant to be that way. It's called fashion.

Sure, you'll sound gay, but $5 is $5, and chicks dig gay dudes.

Also, you're 14. He's not going to beat you up. Call his bluff.

WITH A BIG STICK! W00T!

1) Get in the fight.
PRO: If I win, it will pritty much cancel out the pussy fight I got in in 8th grade.
CON: My school has a 0 tolerance policy for fighting. If I get in a fight, I could get a weeks worth of suspension or a few saturday schools.
Another con here is if you lose the fight.

Another con here is if you lose the fight.

That's true, I never thought of that

Although most of the time, when im really pissed, I spazz out and Adrenaline takes over.

I like theo ther guys idea of wearing all shirts inside out. Kinda funny, but it may be a little too late for that to work.

fight him. hes just an asshole. even if he wins hes gonna drop the whole $5 thing.

if you go to the authorities you are a coward and wimp who cant take care of himself

if you pay, he'll make you pay on a regular basis.

dont fight on school grounds.

**bonus material**

dont go into is as if you are reluctant to fight. act as if you are pissed at him for giving you shit and its all YOUR idea and you are going to beat the crap out of him. he might drop it.

Fight him. Let him throw the first punch. Then, it's self defense. Plead to get out of it. Act it out. 'Come on man, it's not worth it." "It's just five dollars." If he hits first, instantly everyone's on your side. It's self defense, and your parents will probably fight it if you get the same punishment as he does. Sure, you get some punishment, but you're not a wuss, you might win the fight, and you'll get respect.

If you LOSE the fight, well, he'll get a worse punishment, you'll get some ridicule, but less punishment cause you lost.

Keep your honor kid, this is the only way. Forget the punishments, honor is more important.

1) Get in the fight.
PRO: If I win, it will pritty much cancel out the pussy fight I got in in 8th grade.
CON: My school has a 0 tolerance policy for fighting. If I get in a fight, I could get a weeks worth of suspension or a few saturday schools.

2) Go complain to the office
PRO: I avoid the fight, and the kid gets punished for harassment.
CON: I dont get in the fight, I dont have a chance to prove I can fight, and, there is a small chance it could be leaked that I snitch.

A combination of the two. Fight him but make sure that he's the aggressor so (hopefully) you'll get off lightly.

I like the idea of letting him be the agresser

BUT

He could kick me "below the belt"

And im the kind of person that really cant fight after I get hit in that area.

The third option is (or should be) out of the question. First, the reasons you mention. Second, you didn't even take the bet.

If you think you can take the prick, I'd say take the unlisted fourth option. You can make it clear you aren't going to initiate a fight or allow him to set the terms... And still maintain that you're not going to allow him to fuck with you either. Don't "fight" but don't hesitate to defend yourself, either.

You need to make sure you have witnesses and tell him something like "Screw you. I don't owe you five dollars. And I'm not going to 'meet you out back' for some stupid juvenile display of violence. Leave me the hell alone. That's the only warning you get. If you attack me, I'll wreck you, plain and simple."

Later, if he does jump, and you have to defend yourself I'd say do NOT take any disciplinary action lying down. Bitch, yell, scream, and complain (metaphorically speaking, of course. Don't ever actually yell and scream in public. It's childish and retarded.).

Ask, loudly, publicly, and often if the school administration honestly expects those who are attacked to put their hands behind their back and just take the beating. Call a local newspaper or television news crew. Make noise. If you're going down anyway, go down with national coverage as the kid who didn't want to fight, but refused to be bullied or threatened.

No way people still remember you lost a fight to an 8th grader. How long ago was that? Don't people in your school have lives?

I like the idea of letting him be the agresser

BUT

He could kick me "below the belt"

And im the kind of person that really cant fight after I get hit in that area.
Whatever you do, don't go Mr. Blonde on his ass, it has to look like it was his fault.

No way people still remember you lost a fight to an 8th grader. How long ago was that? Don't people in your school have lives?

Saddly, no.

I like the idea of letting him be the agresser

BUT

He could kick me "below the belt"

And im the kind of person that really cant fight after I get hit in that area.
Wear a cup.

Also, im not 100% sure if I could take this kid; Im sorta on the skinny side, he looks a little skinny on the outside too, but the thing that has me worried is the fact he wresles..

You need to make sure you have witnesses and tell him something like "Screw you. I don't owe you five dollars. And I'm not going to 'meet you out back' for some stupid juvenile display of violence. Leave me the hell alone. That's the only warning you get. If you attack me, I'll wreck you, plain and simple."


I was with you up to the end, there. I'd leave the end sentence off if you do do this (I'll still think the "comic nutter" option I proposed earlier is better).

How old is eigth grade anyway?

Allright, here's some backround info that your going to need to know

I'm 14
Freshman in high school
Disrespected because I (almost) lost a fight to a small kid in 8th grade

Ok, there's this kid I sit with in the morning as we're waiting to go to our first class. Him and I dont get along. We fight, and our friends often get caught in the cross fire. Well on Thursday, I was scrambling to get out to get the bus in the morning. I overslept. So, fastfoward about 40 min. We're ready to go to our first class. He says "I'll bet you 5 dollars your shirt is inside out" I say "Whatever" and he says "Check your tag d***bag" and im like Oh shit. So I fix the error in the bathroom.

Fastfoward 24hrs.

Now, the kid comes up to me and says if I dont have the 5$ by Tuesday, we'll get in a fight.

What do I do here?

There are three options

1) Get in the fight.
PRO: If I win, it will pritty much cancel out the pussy fight I got in in 8th grade.
CON: My school has a 0 tolerance policy for fighting. If I get in a fight, I could get a weeks worth of suspension or a few saturday schools.

2) Go complain to the office
PRO: I avoid the fight, and the kid gets punished for harassment.
CON: I dont get in the fight, I dont have a chance to prove I can fight, and, there is a small chance it could be leaked that I snitch.

3) Pay him the money
PRO: There is no more conflect
CON: I will be subdueing to him and showing he is stronger then me. I do not want that.

So, any advice?

Edit: This kid is shorter then me, but he wressles.

Honestly, I took the honorable root in middle school, and I suffered dearly for it.

My best suggestion in this instance is to admit that middle school is as close as you will ever come to the state of nature: nasty, brutish, and short. As such, you need to live by the laws of the jungle: keep your head low, and defend yourself ruthlessly if you absolutely have to, emphasis on have to.

In this case, that means avoiding that kid whenever possible. If he corners you, never take the first shot, but make clear that you don't want to fight. If he makes fighting unavoidable, get him down on the ground, put your knee on his chest, and keep beating until either he starts crying or a teacher pulls you off of him. Keep in mind that you are trying to go for maximized appearance of injury, but you are not trying to permanently damage him, so if at any time you see blood, give him a chance to surrender. Once you get in the teacher's office, explain that you tried to avoid the fight, but he left you no choice. This isn't going to save you any days of suspension, but it will make it clear that you are trying to be honorable and decent.

Essentially, I'm telling you to be a little Machiavellian here: provided that you win the fight, you probably won't have to fight another one, and people will give you a lot more breathing room in the future. Make yourself both feared with your ability to beat another kid up, as well as respected with your unwillingness to use it except in the most dire of circumstances, and you will increase your social standing. The price might seem high, but really it's just a week out of school, which will cost you effectively nothing in the future; no college is going to look at your eighth-grade disciplinary record, for instance.

The thing is

The Administrator is just goign to say "You could have came to the office instead of letting him corner you"

#-\

I'll second Tyrell Technologies' sentiments. You didn't agree to the bet. Why on earth should you pay him money?

However, if that ploy should not work, you could always start to carry around a weapon with you at most times. Never mind, bad idea. Weapons will get you into more trouble.

But steel-toed boots won't. Sure, steel-toed boots are a little expensive, but if you advertise that you wear them regularly, people will think twice before they decide that you might be an easy victory for them. Best yet, steel-toed boots are perfectly fine by all school districts that I know of. I know at least five people, myself aside, that wear steel-toed boots daily to school.

My solution: speak softly but wear big boots. Follow Tyrell's advice, but safeguard your feet against any "collision courses" between them and any part of someone else's bodies.

The thing is

The Administrator is just goign to say "You could have came to the office instead of letting him corner you"

#-\
Is the administrator a woman or a man? If you tell them it was about honor that won't cut it with a woman. A guy will probably buy it though.

Is the administrator a woman or a man? If you tell them it was about honor that won't cut it with a woman. A guy will probably buy it though.

It's a woman.

It's a woman.

How prepared are you to cry to get off the hook? Say you win the fight, then cry when she asks you about it. That should work.

tip: pretend to not want to fight and seem submissive then give him a sudden head butt to the nose to make his eyes water after that you’ve won (what with him crying ;) )

always works for me and make sure everyone's watching or you could pull a trick on him beginning a prank war that will last years

But of course if you can’t dress yourself I don’t think you could win a fight against a schoolgirl :D

It's a woman.
Then the only thing I could tell you that wouldn't get you into any real trouble is to do what you think is best. If you feel that you cannot come to a decision yourself then by all means talk to a teacher or something. Though everybody hates a squealer.

Is the administrator a woman or a man? If you tell them it was about honor that won't cut it with a woman. A guy will probably buy it though.

I'm a woman, and I'd buy the "defending my honor" argument. (or at least, saving face.)

Problem is, it's difficult for the administration to accept that answer publicly. It's difficult for school administration to accept any answer that someone might misconstrue as condoning violence.

That's why, were I the principal, I'd make sure to punish the aggressor, and I'd make it public and spectacular. The kid who was defending himself I'd let off with a slap on the wrist, at worst... As long as he reacted in reasonable fashion.


And, I have to agree with Heron-Marked Warriors... My previous phraseology is better without the "I'll wreck you" bit. Just end with "...this is your only warning."

Start taking Tae Kwon Do classes (or any other martial art for that matter).

Believe me, it's helped me through those years a whole lot. ;)

*is now a black belt and can break 4 inches of wood with my feet. Ph43r me!!! :p*

I'm a woman, and I'd buy the "defending my honor" argument. (or at least, saving face.)

Problem is, it's difficult for the administration to accept that answer publicly. It's difficult for school administration to accept any answer that someone might misconstrue as condoning violence.

That's why, were I the principal, I'd make sure to punish the aggressor, and I'd make it public and spectacular. The kid who was defending himself I'd let off with a slap on the wrist, at worst... As long as he reacted in reasonable fashion.


And, I have to agree with Heron-Marked Warriors... My previous phraseology is better without the "I'll wreck you" bit. Just end with "...this is your only warning."

I still think that backing down from the fight and then wearing steel-toed boots around is a good idea.

How long has he been wrestling? If he's a first year then he'll probably try a move on you, and HS wrestling moves done by first years DO NOT work on the street.

Give him a roundhouse kick to the face. He sounds like an asshole.

Or claw at his eyes. That usually works.

you cut him good!
and do it off school grounds away from residential areas so noone calls the fuzz

Wear a cup.
I like that one. Make it a steel one!

I'm never one for violence, but I still would say this. If he come to you for the money tell him to get lost, he he pushs the matter still tell him to get lost. If he wants to fight let him throw the first punsh then kick his ass.

My reasoning

1. You can't let people push you around.
2. At some point in your life the OFFICE will not be there and you will be forced to fend for your self, now is as good as time as any.
3. This other kid REALLY needs to learn a lesson.

Don't aggravate the issue, but also don't give in.

I'm never one for violence, but I still would say this. If he come to you for the money tell him to get lost, he he pushs the matter still tell him to get lost. If he wants to fight let him throw the first punsh then kick his ass.


The big problem with letting the other guy throw the first punch is that it might be a monster of a punch. A broken nose is not the best start.

Fighting, Fight Club Stile:
Let him throw the punch, but be ready not to take it.
If you punch, don't swing your arms. That way it's easyer to block.
Don't kick high. You will be vulnerable.
One punch at a time. You're not Rocky. THat way you also give him multiple chances to quit.
Avvoid lifting your feet to high. You will loose balance. But don't let yourself create roots, or you will be an easy target.
Elbows deal more damage than knuckles.
Don't open your mouth. If you take a hit to the jaw you may bite your tongue off (it's true).
Finally, don't hold back. After all, the best defense is to attack.

And something on the cups. Friction in the groins is like hell.

Hope this helps. It's based on my bully beating experience. By the way, in my country we can almost resort to nuclear warfare beffore someone is punished. 0 tollerance sucks.

Fighting, Fight Club Stile:
Let him throw the punch, but be ready not to take it.
If you punch, don't swing your arms. That way it's easyer to block.
Don't kick high. You will be vulnerable.
One punch at a time. You're not Rocky. THat way you also give him multiple chances to quit.
Avvoid lifting your feet to high. You will loose balance. But don't let yourself create roots, or you will be an easy target.
Elbows deal more damage than knuckles.
Don't open your mouth. If you take a hit to the jaw you may bite your tongue off (it's true).
Finally, don't hold back. After all, the best defense is to attack.

And something on the cups. Friction in the groins is like hell.

Hope this helps. It's based on my bully beating experience. By the way, in my country we can almost resort to nuclear warfare beffore someone is punished. 0 tollerance sucks.

Groin friction from a cup sure beats being kicked in the nuts.

Fighting, 14 yo style

Do not be afraid to bitch slap.
Toilet cubicles have locks for a reason.
If he goes to the ground, sit on him.
Finger in the eye is a legitimate tactic.
Make lots of noise.
Always be the first to swing a chair.
Nobody wants to fight a kid that spits.

Thanks for the advice people, especialy the fighting advice. The fight would prob take place on Tuesday, as he will not be in school on Monday, but ill be sure to post how this turns out :-)

Don't give him the money but don't fight either. Walk away. Walk away. Walk away. If he jumps you protect yourself. Do not be the aggressor.

Allright, here's some backround info that your going to need to know

I'm 14
Freshman in high school
Disrespected because I (almost) lost a fight to a small kid in 8th grade

Ok, there's this kid I sit with in the morning as we're waiting to go to our first class. Him and I dont get along. We fight, and our friends often get caught in the cross fire. Well on Thursday, I was scrambling to get out to get the bus in the morning. I overslept. So, fastfoward about 40 min. We're ready to go to our first class. He says "I'll bet you 5 dollars your shirt is inside out" I say "Whatever" and he says "Check your tag d***bag" and im like Oh shit. So I fix the error in the bathroom.

Fastfoward 24hrs.

Now, the kid comes up to me and says if I dont have the 5$ by Tuesday, we'll get in a fight.

What do I do here?

There are three options

1) Get in the fight.
PRO: If I win, it will pritty much cancel out the pussy fight I got in in 8th grade.
CON: My school has a 0 tolerance policy for fighting. If I get in a fight, I could get a weeks worth of suspension or a few saturday schools.

2) Go complain to the office
PRO: I avoid the fight, and the kid gets punished for harassment.
CON: I dont get in the fight, I dont have a chance to prove I can fight, and, there is a small chance it could be leaked that I snitch.

3) Pay him the money
PRO: There is no more conflect
CON: I will be subdueing to him and showing he is stronger then me. I do not want that.

So, any advice?

Edit: This kid is shorter then me, but he wressles.

If he's bigger than you then pay him or befriend a kid that is bigger than him.

If you're bigger than him don't pay, wait for him to start fighting and self-defend your ass. ;)