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Go ahead...DEBATE!

I'm not an American but can I still answer???

Go ahead...DEBATE!

debate what,they are both wolves in sheeps clothing and don't give a damn about me...screw em both.

libertarian i say. :)

To non-Americans: Well if you had to pick one, what party would you pick if you lived in America? Go ahead and awnser the poll.

To non-Americans: Well if you had to pick one, what party would you pick if you lived in America? Go ahead and awnser the poll.
very well, democrat. because republicans are smelly.

Democrats, not becuase Republicans are smelly as pure metal so eloquantly put it but cos I don't like their policies and I dispise the President. In saying this the Democrats have a lot of work to do if they even think they have a hope in the next Election...which Hillary should win..so Bill can be First Lady :D

very well, democrat. because republicans are smelly.

A turd by any other name would smell as terrible, surely?

I'm a Republican, but I registered "Non-Affiliated."

I don't want my local GOP thinkin' they can just stroll into office.. "Gee, our district is 81% Republican, we can nominate just about anyone!" they might say otherwise.

I see.

What I have learned by combining this thread with the Bush thread, is that I see a LOT of Democrats voting for Bush.

I'm one of the 95% of the world who aren't American.

Man, we republicans need to speak up! I'm not registered, but I lean more towards the republican side

I'm one of the 95% of the world who aren't American.

...And who think a 2 party system sucks. :p

You don't have to be a registerd Republican to vote Rep in the poll.

A turd by any other name would smell as terrible, surely?
and be very thorny... owch :eek:

and be very thorny... owch :eek:

They'll both bite you in (read=poke holes in) the arse! :p

I'm a Republican, but I registered "Non-Affiliated."

I don't want my local GOP thinkin' they can just stroll into office.. "Gee, our district is 81% Republican, we can nominate just about anyone!" they might say otherwise.

Well, wouldn't you like to vote in primaries so that you can assure that better canidates are selected for the Republicans?

I am libertarian … but will ally myself with the democrats or republicans depending on the candidate

debate what,they are both wolves in sheeps clothing and don't give a damn about me...screw em both.

libertarian i say. :)
and that's precisely what I dislike about most libertarians.

and that's precisely what I dislike about most libertarians.
Oh that we find both parties to be so wrapped up in their own agenda as to not be palatable to our tastes?

Bzzt!

I'm sorry, but here in MY home state, one doesn't have to be "registered" for a party to vote in elections. Wanna vote democrat in primaries? Fine! Republican? Go Ahead! The general election is a free for all of the winners of the two primaries anyway, so you're ahead there.

You can register as Republican, vote in the Democratic primary if you prefer that canidate, and no one will care! Wanna be a democrat hopping the fence in the primaries? Fine! No one cares, honestly!

Let's be honest, the parties don't give a damn about small states anyway, 'cause we can't deliver votes to win the Presidency. No political power? You're SCREWED no matter who is in charge!

That's the honest truth.

Oh that we find both parties to be so wrapped up in their own agenda as to not be palatable to our tastes?
well don't include yourself in my statement because you exonerated yourself with I am libertarian … but will ally myself with the democrats or republicans depending on the candidate

There's nothing wrong with not being associated with any party, but once you start arrogantly insulting both sides while claiming the high ground by being liberatarian, that starts to get annoying.

The Democrats are the party that thinks they know what the 'common man' wants. Thier main strongholds are California, the upper midwest, and New England. They look at these areas and console themselves, noting that some of the nation's largest cities are there. Their constituency is, they feel, superior to that of the Republicans on virtue of the fact that it's 'more diverse,' the Democrats have long prided themselves on being the party of $RACE, even though most of their politicians are still white.

To put it simply, the Democrats have almost no grassroots support to speak of outside the 18-25 demographic, and this is largely an outgrowth of disillusioned youth that's been forced to sit on the sidelines up until now and watch that idiot Bush make fuck-up after fuck-up. My prediction is that this support for the Democrats will vanish within another 15 or 20 years, and they'll need another terrible GOP president back in office to make them look good again.

The Republicans.... well, the less said about Republicans the better. As PJ O'Rourke said, the Republicans are the party that tells us Big Government doesn't work, then they get elected and prove it. It's hard to top that analysis; it was made like 15 years ago and it's as true now as it was back then, possibly even moreso.

I think the Democrats are going to enjoy a surge of vitality soon, maybe as soon as '06 but definately by '08. If they run the right candidate, they might win the White House, but IMO the support for the Democrats will be about as long lived as their presidency. Once they get into office and show they're just as liable to fuck things up [but in a different way] as the Republicans, I think a lot of Generation Y folk will drop their support. I've noticed a good amount of libertarian-type sentiment from my generation, and I can only hope it comes out at the polls at some point.

well don't include yourself in my statement because you exonerated yourself with

There's nothing wrong with not being associated with any party, but once you start arrogantly insulting both sides while claiming the high ground by being liberatarian, that starts to get annoying.
Ahhh I see … you quoted the whole post I could not tell what you found un-appetizing about it. I see now that it was attitude rather then content (for the most part)

Like I said I prefer libertarian ideals and usually pick the person that more closely lines up. I do this out of practicality, if I had my way I would be voting libertarian more (and in the case of no clear “better” I do)

But again I vote on a by candidate basis so I am sure I would not vote strait libertarian either

Just call me an independent with libertarian lean

The Democrats are the party that thinks they know what the 'common man' wants. Thier main strongholds are California, the upper midwest, and New England. They look at these areas and console themselves, noting that some of the nation's largest cities are there. Their constituency is, they feel, superior to that of the Republicans on virtue of the fact that it's 'more diverse,' the Democrats have long prided themselves on being the party of $RACE, even though most of their politicians are still white.

To put it simply, the Democrats have almost no grassroots support to speak of outside the 18-25 demographic, and this is largely an outgrowth of disillusioned youth that's been forced to sit on the sidelines up until now and watch that idiot Bush make fuck-up after fuck-up. My prediction is that this support for the Democrats will vanish within another 15 or 20 years, and they'll need another terrible GOP president back in office to make them look good again.

The Republicans.... well, the less said about Republicans the better. As PJ O'Rourke said, the Republicans are the party that tells us Big Government doesn't work, then they get elected and prove it. It's hard to top that analysis; it was made like 15 years ago and it's as true now as it was back then, possibly even moreso.

I think the Democrats are going to enjoy a surge of vitality soon, maybe as soon as '06 but definately by '08. If they run the right candidate, they might win the White House, but IMO the support for the Democrats will be about as long lived as their presidency. Once they get into office and show they're just as liable to fuck things up [but in a different way] as the Republicans, I think a lot of Generation Y folk will drop their support. I've noticed a good amount of libertarian-type sentiment from my generation, and I can only hope it comes out at the polls at some point.

Agreed … for the most part I guess … I am hoping for a libertarian up swell myself but don’t see it coming in the near future .

I'm a Republican, or as some Democrats might say, a Republikkan.

Agreed ? for the most part I guess ? I am hoping for a libertarian up swell myself but don?t see it coming in the near future .
I think it might happen as the Republican party grows more and more bloated; we're seeing cracks and fissures begin to erupt already; I think in a few more years the GOP might have a more noticable 'countermovement,' which would probably be an outgrowth of older, perhaps paleoconservative politicans who were back with the party in the early '90s back when they were talking about smaller gov't and so on. There's a chance that a few of them actually meant it, and I'll be interested to see what these people do in the next few years.

I think it might happen as the Republican party grows more and more bloated; we're seeing cracks and fissures begin to erupt already; I think in a few more years the GOP might have a more noticable 'countermovement,' which would probably be an outgrowth of older, perhaps paleoconservative politicans who were back with the party in the early '90s back when they were talking about smaller gov't and so on. There's a chance that a few of them actually meant it, and I'll be interested to see what these people do in the next few years.
Yeah it is going to be interested … I could would defiantly be interested to see a smaller government movement stepping it up

Welstone Democrat. I miss the days when Democrats actually stood for something instead of being non-Republicans. I also miss the days when most Republicans stood for something besides "What is best for me." Ideally the politcical system was a balance between Liberals who thought they could fix the world, and Conservatives who injected a needed dose of reality.

I'm in RESPECT

which rocks

but you americans don't have a leftwing party

ah well

I'm a Republican, but I registered "Non-Affiliated."

I don't want my local GOP thinkin' they can just stroll into office.. "Gee, our district is 81% Republican, we can nominate just about anyone!" they might say otherwise.
Good plan.

None, but if i did, or could, it would be republican.

How come the economy in America is always a wreck with a Republican in office? And after Clinton pretty much got rid of the deficit, its back again, bigger than before :confused:.

How come the economy in America is always a wreck with a Republican in office? And after Clinton pretty much got rid of the deficit, its back again, bigger than before :confused:.

one word, tax.

I'm in RESPECT

which rocks

but you americans don't have a leftwing party

ah well
If it isn't right wing here, then it will probably benefit more than rich people, which is a no-no for narrow-mindeds and racists. :headbang:

How come the economy in America is always a wreck with a Republican in office?
Historically, this isn't a very accurate statement. It might be the case now, but many times the performance of the economy is more or less out of the government's hands. Any Republican will claim that Clinton fucked it up and Bush couldn't stop it, but I'm not too sure that's the case.

And after Clinton pretty much got rid of the deficit, its back again, bigger than before :confused:.
Clinton didn't get rid of the deficit, since the deficit generally means the national debt, which has been growing fiarly consistently over the last two centuries. Clinton got rid of the budget deficit, meaning that the Federal Government made more money than it spent that year [hence the budget surplus]. When Clinton left office, Federal Government expenditures hovered at roughly 18% of our GDP. After Bush's first two years in office, that number lept to the thirties and has stayed there ever since. The reason the budget deficit is back and bigger than it ever was is because Bush doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. He's cutting taxes and increasing spending much more than almost any president before him.

I have no clue about any of the economies past the 1980's...(exception is the Great Depression :rolleyes: ) so that's what I was talking about for the first part...more of a sarcastic statement more than a question actually.

Staunch Republican Baby!!

Although my country (Quman) may not reflect that so much.

I vote Republican because I believe if a Democrat had been President during the 9/11, Afghanistan, and Iraq affairs - we'd all be speaking Arabic and bowing at Mosques right now; that is if we were still alive.

Staunch Republican Baby!!

Why?

I'm not being smarmy, I'm honestly curious. Don't say anything negative about the Dems, please just say what makes you love the GOP so much.

Oh and to not single you out, I guess I'm asking this of all people who feel the same way.

I vote Republican because I believe if a Democrat had been President during the 9/11, Afghanistan, and Iraq affairs - we'd all be speaking Arabic and bowing at Mosques right now; that is if we were still alive.
:rolleyes: that's a really intelligent statement there. If we haven't adapted Spanish as out 2nd national language, what makes you think we're going to bow down to terrorists...or Muslims as you probably seem the think of it as.

Iresa, thats gotta be one of the most Coulterish asanine statements I have heard. You honestly think Gore would just do nothing or resort to cruise missile strikes after the Pentagon and World Trade Center attacks? I know many people see Clinton's response to the embassies in Tanzania and Kenya as rather light, but the Pentagon and World Trade Center is one other thing. Also, you beleive we would be invaded and taken over by Islamists while under Gore? Seriously, at the risk of flamebaiting, that last statement was was just plain stupid.

:rolleyes: that's a really intelligent statement there. If we haven't adapted Spanish as out 2nd national language, what makes you think we're going to bow down to terrorists...or Muslims as you probably seem the think of it as.

It's dem muslems. Dey dishraspect all of us kulture and should like be stopped.

It's dem muslems. Dey dishraspect all of us kulture and should like be stopped.
Dem muslems, tha shits er tha surbs?

Dem muslems, tha shits er tha surbs?

lulz

deres like an ironery here

lots of ppl say dat da muslems r bombin stuff and its wrong

then we go bomb them

lulz!

Why?

I'm not being smarmy, I'm honestly curious. Don't say anything negative about the Dems, please just say what makes you love the GOP so much.

Oh and to not single you out, I guess I'm asking this of all people who feel the same way.

Hey no worries, I love discussiong politics as much as the next guy.

There are lots of reasons why I am a Republican

1. Foreign Policy: When it comes to this, I want someone to be more forceful. Can diplomacy work? Sure, but it only seems to work for nice little countries that always follow the rules i.e. Europe, Australia, NZ, Canada, and other legitimate democracies. These are not the countries I am worried about. Countries that have me very worried include China (I'm a fervent Taiwan advocate) and North Korea. I had also been long in favor of getting rid of Saddam Hussein long before Bush ever breathed a word about it (at least in public). Read Robert Young Peltons "Worlds Most Dangerous Places" and you will understand why.

2. States Rights: I am pro states rights. The federal government is far too large for my liking when it comes to certain things (I am an anti-federalist at heart I suppose). I believe you should pretty much do what you want as long as it is not hurting anyone else. I believe states should do what they want as long as it doesnt violate the constitution or bill of rights. Alaska wants to go to the metric system? Wonderful. New Hampshire wants to lower the drinking age to 18? Its about time! Ohio wants to socialize medicine? um... ok whatever.

(I am also a big "referrendum" person, as to keep the STATE legislators in check)

*Note of interest* I don't believe in any new constitutional ammendments peroid. They make the feds even stronger.

3. Taxes: The government wastes money across the board. We could cut taxes even more and still be doing fine. Government spending must be cut. We waste a lot of money.

4. Illegal Immigration: Bush is way too soft on this one. Why do we give freebies to people who come here illegally, but yet people who live here get the shaft? We cannot handle the influx of illegal aliens financially. If we don't put a stop to this we will be overrun. I am very much in favor of raising quotas for people to come here LEGALLY as long as they're willing to WORK.

Ok Im off my soap box. That was fun!

The difference between Democrats and Republicans in America today is the difference between Nit and Wit.

I vote Republican because I believe if a Democrat had been President during the 9/11, Afghanistan, and Iraq affairs - we'd all be speaking Arabic and bowing at Mosques right now; that is if we were still alive.
That's a pretty good reason, but do you really think this or are you just exaggerating?

Hey no worries, I love discussiong politics as much as the next guy.

There are lots of reasons why I am a Republican

1. Foreign Policy

2. States Rights

[2a] *Note of interest* I don't believe in any new constitutional ammendments peroid. They make the feds even stronger.

3. Taxes

4. Illegal Immigration

Ok Im off my soap box. That was fun!
The Republicans are against you on 4 out of 5 of those positions, so why are you a "staunch" supporter? The Democrats would be no better, but that's no reason to love the alternative.

What is there to debate? Democrats are currupt and evil, Republicans are wussy money-huggers. Proud to be a third party!

I'm a libertarian and I don't intend to join either party. However, I will vote based on the candidate and his/her stances, not by party affiliation.

debate what,they are both wolves in sheeps clothing and don't give a damn about me...screw em both.
libertarian i say. :)
You and me both! :D

What bothers me about the Republicans is their fervent anti-China stance, but so do the democrats.

Personally, I think America should conquer Taiwan. Get there before China. It's like a race.

What bothers me about the Republicans is their fervent anti-China stance, but so do the democrats.

Personally, I think America should conquer Taiwan. Get there before China. It's like a race.
It always comes back to imperialism. It's like a fetish with you. ;)

The Republicans are against you on 4 out of 5 of those positions, so why are you a "staunch" supporter? The Democrats would be no better, but that's no reason to love the alternative.

If you read all the stuff you cut out, it more or less goes in line with the majority of republicans stances on things (aside from the constitutional ammendment thing - i dont have to agree with everything).

What bothers me about the Republicans is their fervent anti-China stance, but so do the democrats.

Personally, I think America should conquer Taiwan. Get there before China. It's like a race.


I am very PRO-Taiwan. China is vicious to Taiwan, which in turn gives me the Anti-China stance. If China were to leave Taiwan alone, things would be somewhat different.

I am very PRO-Taiwan. China is vicious to Taiwan, which in turn gives me the Anti-China stance. If China were to leave Taiwan alone, things would be somewhat different.

Viscious? It's not like they're bombing each other.

China to Taiwan is like America to France.

They don't seem to like each other and all, but they aren't "viscious" or bombing each other.

And why the hell does Taiwan call itself the Republic of China!

It's like America calling themselves "The United States of Great Britian" after the revolutionary war.

And why the hell does Taiwan call itself the Republic of China!

It's like America calling themselves "The United States of Great Britian" after the revolutionary war.
It souns better?

debate what,they are both wolves in sheeps clothing and don't give a damn about me...screw em both.

libertarian i say. :)

At least libertarians are honest about not giving a rat's ass about anyone but themselves. Of course, that's about as civilized as a pack of rats (or a pack of rat's asses?), but I guess some people really don't care about anyone but themselves.

And why the hell does Taiwan call itself the Republic of China!

It's like America calling themselves "The United States of Great Britian" after the revolutionary war.

Not at all.

Taiwan refers to itself as the Republic of China because it's home to the government and people that were displaced and exiled after the Chinese comunist revolution. They still maintain a claim of legitimacy in mainland China, as surrealistic as that might be.

very well, democrat. because republicans are smelly.
you seem to forget which side has the hippies *wink*

you seem to forget which side has the hippies *wink*
Certainly not the Democrats.

:cool: Someone made the comment about not having to be a registered Republican to vote in the Republican primaries. This all depends in which State you live abide. I live in Missouri and you do not have to declare a party to vote in the primaries. You can vote Republican in one primary and the next primary you may vote on the U.S. Consitutution(Formerly the U.S. Taxpayers) primary. I like living in Missouri, unlike other states where you are pigeoned-holed to vote only one party primary. In other states if you delcare yourself to be a Democrat, you can only vote in Democrat primaries.(which is a load of crap. What about freedom to choose due to your beliefs)

Now I voted Democrat in the last primary due to the fact there were more choices for president in the last election. Now in the 1996 election I voted in the Republican primary because of more choices(like 5 people) than the two(Gore or Bradley) in the Democrat primary.

I believe I should not be forced to choose a party espcially when you dont agree 100% with what they believe. I am a democrat yet I am take a pro-life stance. :fluffle: :gundge:

Well nice to know I'm in the minority. Though I wouldn't exactly classify myself as Republican so much as Very Conservative. The beliefs of the political parties can change once again and Democrats become the Conservatives and Republicans the Liberals. But as it stands now, yes, I'm Republican. Proud of it. God-fearing, Bush loving, homosexual loathing, war mongering, small-town Texas Redneck is what I am. Though it would be nice if my fantasies of the C.S.A. rising again would be fulfilled. No one get offended...it's just a dream. If that "African-American gentleman" (in my opinion he was a terrorist and riot instigator) Martin Luther King can have dreams so can I.

Not at all.

Taiwan refers to itself as the Republic of China because it's home to the government and people that were displaced and exiled after the Chinese comunist revolution. They still maintain a claim of legitimacy in mainland China, as surrealistic as that might be.

They stopped pretending that in 1991, the ROC now only claims Taiwan and a few outlying islands.

Viscious? It's not like they're bombing each other.

China to Taiwan is like America to France.

They don't seem to like each other and all, but they aren't "viscious" or bombing each other.

If the US werent there, Taiwan would have been a smoking hole in the ground years ago.