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I don't know. It just happened. Apparently, they got some threats. There's a conference at 5:30EST.

This is kinda crepy, and I'm some 500+ miles away.

Meh, it worked in London, why not New York?

I guess Brazilians should avoid NY for a while.

Meh, it worked in London, why not New York?
Well, if the bombs fail to explode like in the second series of London bombings New Yorkers will beat the living shit out of the terrorists rather than let them run away. Thank god I live in a violent and armed society. :D

They should forget Security, and drop their stupid war.

They should forget Security, and drop their stupid war.
Yeah, Al Quaeda should just give up. Everyone knows they can't win.

So, we should let them blow up our trains?

Sorry, I'm not sure if I understand you completely.

They should forget Security, and drop their stupid war.
Dude, I want some of what your smokin!

So, we should let them blow up our trains?

Sorry, I'm not sure if I understand you completely.


No-tighten up all security and find these scumbags wherever they lurk, skull-fuck them soundly and despose of their bodies in pork rendering plants...There is no path to the 60 virgins through pork fat.

Regardless of whether Swilatila was being quite articulate in his statement:

Any sufficiently determined and clever killer will always make the kill. All we can do is try to minimize the damage and promote a better and cleaner recovery, rather than lapse into chaos and fury. Remember what happened last time that problem occurred? We had innocent people getting gunned down because they happened to be brown and South-Central Asian. Not Arabs nor Muslims, just standing in front of angry, armed and thoughtless people.

No-tighten up all security and find these scumbags wherever they lurk, skull-fuck them soundly and despose of their bodies in pork rendering plants...There is no path to the 60 virgins through pork fat.
What happens to your body, in the Abrahamic religions, isn't actually related to your quota of good deeds or sins - especially if it happens against your will. So this might satisfy your desire for revenge and pork-fried Muslim (or Muslim soap) but wouldn't actually affect his course in the Afterlife.

It would make people angry at you, though. That's a solid proposition.

No-tighten up all security and find these scumbags wherever they lurk, skull-fuck them soundly and despose of their bodies in pork rendering plants...There is no path to the 60 virgins through pork fat.
Nice. Personally I prefer dipping them briefly in boiling bacon fat and feeding them to hungry dogs while they're still screaming. This should, of course, be televised worldwide. They get contact with two "unclean" animals before dying and Allah can come and get them our of a dog's guts or wait until they've passed through.

Yeah, Al Quaeda should just give up. Everyone knows they can't win.
No, Bush should give up the war. sure terrorists bombed London, but that was to punish the U.K. for the war they are fighting in. However, Al-Qaeda did not do 11/9. Bush did, so Americans would not complain when they were stripped of their liberties, and Homeland Security was created to stop REAL terrorism not the stuff that Bush did. Thats why it came more than a year after the attacks. As for closing the airspace, Bush did that so it would not look like he started a terrorist attack, when the truth was he did.

Guys, can I ask what good revenge would do in the cause of stopping people who are already willing to blow themselves up? Other than make themselves more likely to be armed with dead-man switches so they can't be taken alive?

No, Bush should give up the war. sure terrorists bombed London, but that was to punish the U.K. for the war they are fighting in. However, Al-Qaeda did not do 11/9. Bush did, so Americans would not complain when they were stripped of their liberties, and Homeland Security was created to stop REAL terrorism not the stuff that Bush did. Thats why it came more than a year after the attacks. As for closing the airspace, Bush did that so it would not look like he started a terrorist attack, when the truth was he did.
Where do you live? You obviously have access to better drugs than I do.

So, we should let them blow up our trains?

Sorry, I'm not sure if I understand you completely.
No. All todays attacks are to punish nations for having this war, and if we drop the war, these people will not resort to blowing up our trains.

I don't know. It just happened. Apparently, they got some threats. There's a conference at 5:30EST.

This is kinda crepy, and I'm some 500+ miles away.

Any online link confirming this?

Where do you live? You obviously have access to better drugs than I do.
I don't do drugs. I just fight the proganda Bush is using to help him make America some kind of tinpot dictatorship.

No. All todays attacks are to punish nations for having this war, and if we drop the war, these people will not resort to blowing up our trains.

Are you being sarcastic, or are you being serious?

Sarcasm is a difficult thing to tell on the interweb.

Guys, can I ask what good revenge would do in the cause of stopping people who are already willing to blow themselves up? Other than make themselves more likely to be armed with dead-man switches so they can't be taken alive?
It's one thing to blow yourself up, it's another thing to join an organization knowing that it may lead to your capture and a humiliating and religiously questionable death broadcast to everyone you know. Personally I'd love to see captured terrorists who are convicted of conspiring to kill my people dressed as women or something equally offensive to them prior to their public executions.

Are you being sarcastic, or are you being serious.

Sarcasm is a difficult thing to tell on the interweb.
I am very serious here.

No, Bush should give up the war. sure terrorists bombed London, but that was to punish the U.K. for the war they are fighting in. However, Al-Qaeda did not do 11/9. Bush did, so Americans would not complain when they were stripped of their liberties, and Homeland Security was created to stop REAL terrorism not the stuff that Bush did. Thats why it came more than a year after the attacks. As for closing the airspace, Bush did that so it would not look like he started a terrorist attack, when the truth was he did.

Are you shitting me? Of course, bush is a prick, but he didn't bomb his own god damn country. Hes a stupid asshole, but hes a patriotic stupid asshole.

No. All todays attacks are to punish nations for having this war, and if we drop the war, these people will not resort to blowing up our trains.
Right, and the attacks on the African embassies, the attack on the USS Cole, the first attack on the WTC, and 9/11 happened because al quaeda called the psychic hotline and knew that we were going to start a war, right?

I don't do drugs. I just fight the proganda Bush is using to help him make America some kind of tinpot dictatorship.
That's nice, but unfortunately reason, logic and common sense became collateral damage in your fight.

What happens to your body, in the Abrahamic religions, isn't actually related to your quota of good deeds or sins - especially if it happens against your will. So this might satisfy your desire for revenge and pork-fried Muslim (or Muslim soap) but wouldn't actually affect his course in the Afterlife.

It would make people angry at you, though. That's a solid proposition.

I wasnt proposing torture, just defiling remains. I'm not looking for revenge- I want scumbags that have already acted to be hunted mercilessly. Annihilated when caught, shaved from head to toe by filthy sluts and sent to the great beyond with a fat fried pork chop shoved up their ass so it doesnt fall out.. All their friends have to be aware of this-they will never rest and never get away with anything-in death, their perverted and pathetically stupid goals revealed and no martydom. Just disgrace. No respect.
Let vultures right outside Guantanamo Bay's tennis courts pick at the bloated corpses.

Flashforward . . .



GO GO GO!

Suspect is black, I repeat, suspect is black!

*Rat-tat-tat-BOOM!CRUMP!* :mp5:

Aieeeee!

:rolleyes:

Absolutely :rolleyes:

Right, and the attacks on the African embassies, the attack on the USS Cole, the first attack on the WTC, and 9/11 happened because al quaeda called the psychic hotline and knew that we were going to start a war, right?
No, but bush did 11/9 to have an excuse start his stupid war.

It's one thing to blow yourself up, it's another thing to join an organization knowing that it may lead to your capture and a humiliating and religiously questionable death broadcast to everyone you know. Personally I'd love to see captured terrorists who are convicted of conspiring to kill my people dressed as women or something equally offensive to them prior to their public executions.
I don't think those thoughts are likely to occur to someone so filled with righteous anger that he's willing to die for a cause. Courage of that sort (it is courage, even if it is courage to do evil things) tends to make people blind to the consequences.

As for dressing like women, well... a number of suicide bombers have been women, as I'm sure you know. And they aren't stupid either: why wouldn't they dress as women if it would help them get to a target better? How about using women as their agents? They've certainly done that before. Plus, we have something called the Eighth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States that rather thoroughly prohibits arbitrary punishments like the ones you've suggested.

Flashforward . . .



GO GO GO!

Suspect is A-rab, I repeat, suspect is A-rab!

*Rat-tat-tat-BOOM!CRUMP!* :mp5:

Aieeeee!

:rolleyes:

Made the proper corrections for you. :p

That's nice, but unfortunately reason, logic and common sense became collateral damage in your fight.
Looks like Bush's propaganda influenced this guy too much...

Nice correction. Now Swilatia, I promise I am not laughing at you when I say HAHAHA YOU ARE IGNOTANT! ;) Remember, I was not laughing at you.

Made the proper corrections for you. :p
Well, if the police in London can't tell the difference between a Brazilian and an Arab, I shudder to think what level of competence to expect from their American counterparts. They'd probably kill a Japanese tourist for photographing a building. :rolleyes:

Looks like Bush's propaganda influenced this guy too much...
Do you have any evidence corroberating your theory?

I wasnt proposing torture, just defiling remains. I'm not looking for revenge- I want scumbags that have already acted to be hunted mercilessly. Annihilated when caught, shaved from head to toe by filthy sluts and sent to the great beyond with a fat fried pork chop shoved up their ass so it doesnt fall out.. All their friends have to be aware of this-they will never rest and never get away with anything-in death, their perverted and pathetically stupid goals revealed and no martydom. Just disgrace. No respect.
Let vultures right outside Guantanamo Bay's tennis courts pick at the bloated corpses.
Well... US law prohibits arbitrary punishments, not to mention that both military regulations and US law prohibit summary killings.

I also don't see how shaving someone's corpse and sodomizing it with pork chops shows his pals anything but how depraved you are - after all, they don't see it as something he himself is suffering. He's dead! His body is just an empty shell. (And so it is in truth, by the way: your consciousness, as the product of brain activity, is erased within minutes of death as enzymes turn your brain into mush.)

Well, if the police in London can't tell the difference between a Brazilian and an Arab, I shudder to think what level of competence to expect from their American counterparts. They'd probably kill a Japanese tourist for photographing a building. :rolleyes:
Remember the last time Japanese people photographed buildings... :D

No, but bush did 11/9 to have an excuse start his stupid war.
No, the Greys caused 9/11 in order to kill the RSP (Reptillian Saucer People) ambassador who was dining that morning at Windows on the World. To accomplish that they implanted mind control parasites into the heads of a bunch of Saudi Arabians living in the USA. Fortunately the RSP ambassdor escaped in his cloaked Portable Rocket Pod and convinced Bush to attack the Grey base located in Afghanistan. In order to be able to deny extraterrestrial involvement Bush had to make it seem like we were at war with the Taliban.

Makes as much sense as your theory.

No. All todays attacks are to punish nations for having this war, and if we drop the war, these people will not resort to blowing up our trains.


Thats incredibly ignorant. To the point of frightening.

Bin Laden is from where, again? He's no fucking Iraqi. He's no fucking Afghan. He's daddy's little rich Saudi. A sick, twisted, spoiled prick, taking advantage of religion.
If we withdrew troops from the rest of the planet tommorrow, attacks on American soil would follow shortly afterwards.
We have to stay on the offensive-chase them wherever they hide and kill them. Once we are on the defensive, we've lost.

Someone asked for a link...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051006/ap_on_re_us/nyc_subway

No, the Greys caused 9/11 in order to kill the RSP (Reptillian Saucer People) ambassador who was dining that morning at Windows on the World. To accomplish that they implanted mind control parasites into the heads of a bunch of Saudi Arabians living in the USA. Fortunately the RSP ambassdor escaped in his cloaked Portable Rocket Pod and convinced Bush to attack the Grey base located in Afghanistan. In order to be able to deny extraterrestrial involvement Bush had to make it seem like we were at war with the Taliban.

Makes as much sense as your theory.


Eh....I still think the eskimos are the ones who really blew the WTC :rolleyes:

You know, its people like Swilatia that make me want to go Republican...nah, then I'd have to get a haircut.

No, but bush did 11/9 to have an excuse start his stupid war.

you need to stop reading conspiracy theorist websites.

No, the Greys caused 9/11 in order to kill the RSP (Reptillian Saucer People) ambassador who was dining that morning at Windows on the World. To accomplish that they implanted mind control parasites into the heads of a bunch of Saudi Arabians living in the USA. Fortunately the RSP ambassdor escaped in his cloaked Portable Rocket Pod and convinced Bush to attack the Grey base located in Afghanistan. In order to be able to deny extraterrestrial involvement Bush had to make it seem like we were at war with the Taliban.

Makes as much sense as your theory.
No, Drunk Commies, my theory makes perfect sense.
After all, the planes were remote controlled, the pilots had no control whatsover. Also, the hyjacking suspects are alive and well.

you need to stop reading conspiracy theorist websites.
I have never read a conspiracy theorist website.

Yes, the United States does need to stay on the offensive, if only to keep Iraq and Afghanistan from collapsing into civil war and thereby opening them to more breeding of the terrorist meme ("the end justifies the means"). However, fighting terrorism isn't merely a thing to do in the Near and Middle East amongst Muslims.

There are terrorists who are Christians who were born in the US. There are terrorists who believe in Communism who were born in Germany. There are terrorists who believe in a sort of Buddhism who were born in Japan.

Their targets are, variously, doctors, government workers, subway riders, and in general innocent people who aren't actually fighting them.

They're no less terrorists for not being Muslims. But, at least in the US, I don't see any serious attempt to prevent terrorism by non-Muslims, or any attempt to hunt them down, with a tiny handful of exceptions.


I almost forgot - we seem to believe that the end justifies the means, as well, no matter how vicious or illegal those means.

Response to #42:

How are people who drove a plane into a building that went into flames "alive and well"?

They said it was very specific as to timing and target, and that it wasn't the sort of threat the intelligence community gets every day.

No, Drunk Commies, my theory makes perfect sense.
After all, the planes were remote controlled, the pilots had no control whatsover. Also, the hyjacking suspects are alive and well.
Again, do you have evidence?

I don't think those thoughts are likely to occur to someone so filled with righteous anger that he's willing to die for a cause. Courage of that sort (it is courage, even if it is courage to do evil things) tends to make people blind to the consequences.

As for dressing like women, well... a number of suicide bombers have been women, as I'm sure you know. And they aren't stupid either: why wouldn't they dress as women if it would help them get to a target better? How about using women as their agents? They've certainly done that before. Plus, we have something called the Eighth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States that rather thoroughly prohibits arbitrary punishments like the ones you've suggested.

No. It is not courage. Those individuals are brain washed into thinking that murdering innocent people can be a path to virgins in heaven. They really do think they are going to be rewarded for murdering someone. So if you really beleive something, even if it is false, then you have your own selfish motivations and this is not courage.

That person believes they have nothing to lose, and everything to gain.

Courage is when you put your life on the line, and believe you have something to lose.

Also, the hyjacking suspects are alive and well.

If by alive and well you mean dead, then yes. Swilatia, people like you scare me more than Bush himself. Thats a lot....like |---------------------------------------------------------------------------| that much.

Response to #42:

How are people who drove a plane into a building that went into flames "alive and well"?
They never did that. thats why.

They never did that. thats why.

Evidence to your claims?

They said it was very specific as to timing and target, and that it wasn't the sort of threat the intelligence community gets every day.
I smell either a hoax, or some Homeland Security guy suddenly remembering that they hadn't w***ed the colour-code chart for a while.

No, Drunk Commies, my theory makes perfect sense.
After all, the planes were remote controlled, the pilots had no control whatsover. Also, the hyjacking suspects are alive and well.
No such thing as "remote control". What you call remote control is actually an illusion that the Greys use to delude people into thinking that they actually have any control over the real world.

They never did that. thats why.

Alright, the amusement factor on this nonsense went away about four years ago. Show a source or go back under your bridge.

If by alive and well you mean dead, then yes. Swilatia, people like you scare me more than Bush himself. Thats a lot....like
No, I mean alive. They are really alive and well. I am not joking.

No. It is not courage. Those individuals are brain washed into thinking that murdering innocent people can be a path to virgins in heaven. They really do think they are going to be rewarded for murdering someone. So if you really beleive something, even if it is false, then you have your own selfish motivations and this is not courage.

That person believes they have nothing to lose, and everything to gain.

Courage is when you put your life on the line, and believe you have something to lose.
I think you are making a false distinction.

If a platoon of American soldiers were pinned down and no help forthcoming, and the enemy fighters were overwhelming them (which has happened), and those soldiers broke out of the encirclement, blitzed the local enemy command post and then ran for safety, we'd call that courage.

Besides, if Muslim terrorists think they have nothing to lose, why do they sometimes falter? Could it be that they do actually fear death and pain the same way we do, only their conviction that what they're about to do is right usually overwhelms their instinct to self-preservation?

When I was in New York in June 2004 for two weeks, two people died on the subway
One woman fell on the tracks and people watched as a subway train killed her and another man was shot in a subway car.
Maybe extra security isn't such a bad idea

I have never read a conspiracy theorist website.
if that's the case. how come i haven't read any of your ideas _EXCEPT_ on conspiracy theory websites.

If they are alive and well, where is your proof that they are?

No, I mean alive. They are really alive and well. I am not joking.
Of course they are. An RSP patrol cruiser was flying past our planet at the time. It beamed the hijackers aboard in order to study the Grey's mind control parasites. They're currently living in a terrerium in my basement, which is one of the entrances to the massive RSP base located under the USA. The terrerium mimics the hijacker's natural habitat. Lots of sand, goats, and a big lamp to simulate sunshine.

When I was in New York in June 2004 for two weeks, two people died on the subway
One woman fell on the tracks and people watched as a subway train killed her and another man was shot in a subway car.
Maybe extra security isn't such a bad idea

what does that have to do with terrorists? extra security without terror threats won't happen. ever.

Ok, fine, if Al Qaeda didn't fly those planes into those buildings, then who did?

what does that have to do with terrorists? extra security without terror threats won't happen. ever.
Crime builds character. Especially when it happens to people who are your social inferiors.

That's how it seems, anyway. A friend of mine was raped and beaten - my brother was mugged once, too, and sustained brain damage - but the police just shrugged.

Ok, fine, if Al Qaeda didn't fly those planes into those buildings, then who did?

Bush, of course! :p

I think you are making a false distinction.

If a platoon of American soldiers were pinned down and no help forthcoming, and the enemy fighters were overwhelming them (which has happened), and those soldiers broke out of the encirclement, blitzed the local enemy command post and then ran for safety, we'd call that courage.

Besides, if Muslim terrorists think they have nothing to lose, why do they sometimes falter? Could it be that they do actually fear death and pain the same way we do, only their conviction that what they're about to do is right usually overwhelms their instinct to self-preservation?

Why would they falter? Because the wised up and realized that the people who were manipulating them may not be right.

If one believes himself to gain from an act, that act does not take courage. The whole concept is against the very nature of courage.

Now if someone is pinned and their only chance of survival is to defend themselves, that is not exactly courage either. It is natural.

Examples of courage can be taken from what happened on 9/11. But not from the Terrorist side.

Look at the firemen,and policemen who lost their lives going into those buildings and trying to save people. Dont tell me that they didnt know there was a good chance they could be killed. Most of them had a lot to lose. They had families. Yet, they still had the guts to try and help some stranger.

That is courage. Your identifying that word with Terrorists makes you look silly.

Bush, of course! :p
NO dude it was me :rolleyes: Both of them. I just kept a teleporter on the first one, and an ultra light on the second one. Then I jumped out in a parachute. Unfortunately, because I didn't die for allah, I only get 59 virgins.

Bush, of course! :p

That's right. He used both hands and both feet to control four joysticks while blowing Cheney in anticipation of starting a war. All the while he was masterminding the weather control beams to create tsunami's and hurricanes.

Of course they are. An RSP patrol cruiser was flying past our planet at the time. It beamed the hijackers aboard in order to study the Grey's mind control parasites. They're currently living in a terrerium in my basement, which is one of the entrances to the massive RSP base located under the USA. The terrerium mimics the hijacker's natural habitat. Lots of sand, goats, and a big lamp to simulate sunshine.
enough jokes.

That's right. He used both hands and both feet to control four joysticks while blowing Cheney in anticipation of starting a war. All the while he was masterminding the weather control beams to create tsunami's and hurricanes.

Don't forget the illumini!

enough jokes.

What did you expect?

That's right. He used both hands and both feet to control four joysticks while blowing Cheney in anticipation of starting a war. All the while he was masterminding the weather control beams to create tsunami's and hurricanes.

But at the same time, clones of himself were getting drunk, snorting coke, and running down black people for "looting" valuable entities such as water bottles and canned foods.

enough jokes.
Jokes? I'm as serious about my theory as you are about yours. Only difference is that mine is plausible.

enough jokes.


Why not? That's all that threads like this deserve.

Thats all the respect swilatia deserves for his theory.

Swilatia's theory<Everything (INcluding my Portuguese Class)

enough jokes.

i'm not joking.

i want serious answers.

Where did you get your source of information from when it comes to Bush creating the attacks to the hijackers being alive still?

Why would they falter? Because the wised up and realized that the people who were manipulating them may not be right.

If one believes himself to gain from an act, that act does not take courage. The whole concept is against the very nature of courage.

Now if someone is pinned and their only chance of survival is to defend themselves, that is not exactly courage either. It is natural.

Examples of courage can be taken from what happened on 9/11. But not from the Terrorist side.

Look at the firemen,and policemen who lost their lives going into those buildings and trying to save people. Dont tell me that they didnt know there was a good chance they could be killed. Most of them had a lot to lose. They had families. Yet, they still had the guts to try and help some stranger.

That is courage. Your identifying that word with Terrorists makes you look silly.
It takes courage to risk your life (but especially to certainly die) for a cause, no matter what. Nobody is ever really sure of what lies beyond death. No true coward is going to strap on a bomb and go hunting for pizza parlours, any more than any true coward is going to strap on a helmet and rifle and go hunting for evildoers.

Ok, fine, if Al Qaeda didn't fly those planes into those buildings, then who did?
General theory is that the American Government did for an excuse to start a war, Bush loves war afterall!!!

And I read somewhere that the twin towers had a slight design flaw and may have had to have been torn down anyway, so two birds with one stone kinda thing if thats true

Ok, well, what about the Pentagon?

General theory is that the American Government did for an excuse to start a war, Bush loves war afterall!!!
Everyone knows that the Mossad did it, under orders from the Council of Elders. That's why they told all those Jews to stay home. Don't you know anything?

... ;)

Ok, well, what about the Pentagon?

Death Star?

It takes courage to risk your life (but especially to certainly die) for a cause, no matter what. Nobody is ever really sure of what lies beyond death. No true coward is going to strap on a bomb and go hunting for pizza parlours, any more than any true coward is going to strap on a helmet and rifle and go hunting for evildoers.
It's true.

Bravery is not an absence of fear, but the acceptance of death, or at the very least the possibility thereof. It takes the same guts to fly a plane into a target as it does over a target. Maybe the morality disagrees with you, but human feelings are the same.

Ok, well, what about the Pentagon?
Eye witnesses, who were silenced, claim that what hit the pentagon was no plane, far too small, more like a rocket!
If a plane hit, the same size and fuel load as the planes that hit the twin towers and "took them down", then there would have been much more damage to the pentagon

Eye witnesses, who were silenced, claim that what hit the pentagon was no plane, far too small, more like a rocket!
If a plane hit, the same size and fuel load as the planes that hit the twin towers and "took them down", then there would have been much more damage to the pentagon
Yeah nevermind the eyewitnesses that saw the second plane crash into the tower, including me. It was all a mass-hallucination :p

Eye witnesses, who were silenced, claim that what hit the pentagon was no plane, far too small, more like a rocket!
If a plane hit, the same size and fuel load as the planes that hit the twin towers and "took them down", then there would have been much more damage to the pentagon
And Al-Qaeda has, no rockets, it had to be Bush.

Eye witnesses, who were silenced, claim that what hit the pentagon was no plane, far too small, more like a rocket!
If a plane hit, the same size and fuel load as the planes that hit the twin towers and "took them down", then there would have been much more damage to the pentagon
If no plane hit the Pentagon, what happened to the fourth hijacked plane? Four were hijacked. If one of them didn't hit the pentagon what became of the people on that plane and the plane itself? It's kinda hard to hide a plane and several hundred passengers.

You know, there's something I saw from a DC gas-station security camera that, for just a moment, shows what looks a lot like an airliner buzzing the highway. Just a moment, but small planes and rockets don't look like that and no airport's landing pattern is that low over any highway.

And Al-Qaeda has, no rockets, it had to be Bush.
No, it was this guy.

The guy (http://www.rathergood.com/chicken/)

It's true.

Bravery is not an absence of fear, but the acceptance of death, or at the very least the possibility thereof. It takes the same guts to fly a plane into a target as it does over a target. Maybe the morality disagrees with you, but human feelings are the same.


You are not comparing apples to apples.

The terrorist are in a state of mind that accept that their deeds are going to reward them. To them, there is no doubt. The entire act is not so much for a cause, but for them to obtain wealth in the afterlife.

If you believe that you live on, and that what you are doing will reap you great rewards, how can it be said that you have courage?

For you to have courage you have to have some doubts. Something to act as a deterent for the action you are about to undertake.

Because they are brainwashed, they have none of this. They are simply human beings that have been turned into drones by religious leaders who are smart enough to manipulate them into this state.

They have no courage.

Eye witnesses, who were silenced, claim that what hit the pentagon was no plane, far too small, more like a rocket!
If a plane hit, the same size and fuel load as the planes that hit the twin towers and "took them down", then there would have been much more damage to the pentagon


You are completely ignorant to the details of the structure of the pentagon, to make the claim you did.

Well, Moz, looks like you and me and a few others will have to disagree over the definition of courage and what it is that suicide bombers believe. (It's rather hard to ask them, of course).

No, it was this guy.

The guy (http://www.rathergood.com/chicken/)
You are kidding.

You are kidding.
And you're a crackpot conspiracy theorists who won't even link to 911research.com or some other similar (deranged) site.

You are kidding.
No, a baby donkey riding a giant chicken did it. Really. I showed you the video footage. That's more evidence than you've presented for your argument. Therefore I win.

Yeah nevermind the eyewitnesses that saw the second plane crash into the tower, including me. It was all a mass-hallucination :p
I'm not questionning that planes hit the towers, my brother was there but the planes alone didn't take them down, they were designed to withstand a plane hitting them! It was anticipated AND, just aboot evey explosive expert in the world says that was a controlled demolition of the towers

And I know the structure of the pentagon, all I'm saying is eye witnesses to the pentagon incident said that what hit that building was more like a missile. There was no engines found and no black boxes found, which are designed to withstand those kind of crashes.

No black boxes from the pentagon or the twin towers despite the fact that in the USS Intrepid floating museum in New York, there is a piece of the fuselage of a plane that hit one of the towers

I'm not questionning that planes hit the towers, my brother was there but the planes alone didn't take them down, they were designed to withstand a plane hitting them! It was anticipated AND, just aboot evey explosive expert in the world says that was a controlled demolition of the towers

And I know the structure of the pentagon, all I'm saying is eye witnesses to the pentagon incident said that what hit that building was more like a missile. There was no engines found and no black boxes found, which are designed to withstand those kind of crashes.

No black boxes from the pentagon or the twin towers despite the fact that in the USS Intrepid floating museum in New York, there is a piece of the fuselage of a plane that hit one of the towers
The towers did stand up to the plane's impact. It was the massive fires started by jet fuel that ignited plastic, paper, and wood in the structure that heated the under-insulated steel supports enough to soften them that caused the collapse. Also tall buildings naturally collapse in that fashion. Nothing controlled or uncontrolled about it. Buildings can't collapse sideways like dominos because when they move far enough off center gravity exceeds the stength of the building materials and pulls them straight down.

I tend not to believe the stuff I've seen about controlled demolition, because (among other things) you don't controlled-demolition a building like that. When doing so, you strip it until it's a skeleton. If you don't do that, it is extremely difficult (and illegal - heh) to do a controlled demolition - the structural members are hidden, and (somewhat) protected. Given that demo charges are blocks of explosive wrapped in layers of heavy plastic and chain-link fence wrapped around structural members, you can see why it would be hard to do.

Plus, having both witnessed the event and done my architectural research, it just doesn't make sense that someone would wait until the building was starting to melt before telescoping it down.

Lastly, controlled demolitions sound like fireworks or gunfire, as opposed to a steady roll of thunder that gets steadily louder.

I'm not questionning that planes hit the towers, my brother was there but the planes alone didn't take them down, they were designed to withstand a plane hitting them! It was anticipated AND, just aboot evey explosive expert in the world says that was a controlled demolition of the towers

And I know the structure of the pentagon, all I'm saying is eye witnesses to the pentagon incident said that what hit that building was more like a missile. There was no engines found and no black boxes found, which are designed to withstand those kind of crashes.

No black boxes from the pentagon or the twin towers despite the fact that in the USS Intrepid floating museum in New York, there is a piece of the fuselage of a plane that hit one of the towers
The intial crash stripped away the some of the fire proofing the protected key steel girders and the jet fuel continued to burn after the crash, surpassing the limits of the buildings infrastructure and leading to it's collapse. Were it demolitions used, it would have been not only clearly heard, but seen as well.

I tend not to believe the stuff I've seen about controlled demolition, because (among other things) you don't controlled-demolition a building like that. When doing so, you strip it until it's a skeleton. If you don't do that, it is extremely difficult (and illegal - heh) to do a controlled demolition - the structural members are hidden, and (somewhat) protected. Given that demo charges are blocks of explosive wrapped in layers of heavy plastic and chain-link fence wrapped around structural members, you can see why it would be hard to do.

Plus, having both witnessed the event and done my architectural research, it just doesn't make sense that someone would wait until the building was starting to melt before telescoping it down.

Lastly, controlled demolitions sound like fireworks or gunfire, as opposed to a steady roll of thunder that gets steadily louder.

Waiting for it to melt would only help the process of taking it down, it would be structurally weaker!

And you can't look at it as a standard controlled demolition! It wasn't stripped cuz then people would die and then give reason to start a war.

When the second plane was picked up on radar, the military didn't scramble planes from New Jersey to take it down, instead they scrambled them from somewhere like Utah, so they wouldn't make it in time. There's so much SOLID evidence to say it was staged.

Like the "cuban missile crisis", The American government staged that and have admitted it since!!

The intial crash stripped away the some of the fire proofing the protected key steel girders and the jet fuel continued to burn after the crash, surpassing the limits of the buildings infrastructure and leading to it's collapse. Were it demolitions used, it would have been not only clearly heard, but seen as well.

Again, experts in jet fuel have said that when the plane hit the huge ball of fire was the fuel burning straight away, that is a fact!

i'm still waiting for your replies Swilatia...

Again, experts in jet fuel have said that when the plane hit the huge ball of fire was the fuel burning straight away, that is a fact!
That doesn't prevent other objects in the building to catch fire.

Again, experts in jet fuel have said that when the plane hit the huge ball of fire was the fuel burning straight away, that is a fact!

yah, and what was all the smoke billowing out the windows afterwards, someone burning popcorn in the office microwave?

Again, experts in jet fuel have said that when the plane hit the huge ball of fire was the fuel burning straight away, that is a fact!
Yep, the initial fireball was fueled by jet fuel, but there would have been alot of jet fuel left behind. Jet fuel isn't as volatile as gasoline IIRC. It's more like Kerosene. Some would have vaporized and gone up in a fireball on impact, some would have stayed liquid and burned more slowly. Plus every flamable item on the floors affected would have been set alight. Plastics can burn pretty hot.

i'm still waiting for your replies Swilatia...

Good luck with that... :p

i'm still waiting for your replies Swilatia...
I think that my baby donkey argument finally convinced him.

Did you miss the part where I said it would be extremely difficult to do a controlled demolition, due to the nature of the explosive charges used? Those charges would've had to be in place for a long time - from before the spaces were finished. They work by imploding on structural columns. If you cannot wrap them around columns, you do not get an implosion - you get an explosion, which is not controlled and which throws stuff everywhere.

As for scrambling fighters: Utah? Evidence? Besides, here's how it is: if you put the two hypotheses next to each other (malevolence v. colossal fuckup) the one requiring fewer interventions seems to be the most logical one. Therefore, unless it would become clear that malevolence caused launch orders to be misdirected, I would assume that a colossal fuckup caused it. Thanks, Newton! Gotta love the principle of parsimony.

Yes, they can burn very hot but not hot enough to melt reinforced steel
I don't think health and safety on a skyscraper would allow materials that dangerous to be in the building. Things went on fire yes but they didn't melt girders

The planes. Each plane dropped off radar for exactly 36 minutes each before hitting the towers...thats military timing right there, not suicide bombers

Yes, they can burn very hot but not hot enough to melt reinforced steel
I don't think health and safety on a skyscraper would allow materials that dangerous to be in the building. Things went on fire yes but they didn't melt girders

The planes. Each plane dropped off radar for exactly 36 minutes each before hitting the towers...thats military timing right there, not suicide bombers
You don't have to melt it, just soften it. Ever see the warning on load bearing parts of a tractor trailer rig that says "do not weld"? That's because the heat of welding will soften the metal and make it more subject to bending or breaking under stress. Plus the metal support structures weren't properly insulated from heat and the impact of the airplane hitting the building knocked quite a bit of the insulation that was present off of the metal.

Yes, they can burn very hot but not hot enough to melt reinforced steel
I don't think health and safety on a skyscraper would allow materials that dangerous to be in the building. Things went on fire yes but they didn't melt girders

The planes. Each plane dropped off radar for exactly 36 minutes each before hitting the towers...thats military timing right there, not suicide bombers
Untrue, an unchecked fire can burn hot enough to melt reinforced steel. Bear in mind as mentioned before, the initial crash stripped away a good amount of fireproofing that coated the girders.

As for dropping off the radar. Dude, anyone can do that. There are guides for newbie pilots that tell you to fly in radar range so if you go down, people can get a guesstimate of your location. It's really not such a big deal.

I don't know. It just happened. Apparently, they got some threats. There's a conference at 5:30EST.
This is kinda crepy, and I'm some 500+ miles away.

Boy I WISH I was 500 miles away! I'm like five blocks from Ground Zero. I've been carrying a gas mask, a lithium flashlight and KI pills to and from work for the last four years, expecting to have to walk out of a smoke-filled tunnel and walk home in the dark. I expect my bag to be searched. I also live near a section of the subway that is above ground and accessible from the street. Mostly, its Mexican illegals collecting soda cans but a Jihadist could easily slip in and plant explosives to derail a morning subway train. Tonight I expect the NYPD Bell 206s with .50 cal snipers to be flying patrols up and down the lines.
http://www.officer.com/article/article.jsp?id=25641&siteSection=1

Several points:
-Rumor has it that retired NYPD and other mercs have been disappearing random Muslim figures to try and disrupt the sleeper network, and that the families aren't saying anything at the risk of deportation. Whether they're "renditioned" aboard the CIA's luxurious Gulfstream V or disposed of in the Staten Island landfill, who knows.

-If the current intel is correct, any WMD attack on a city will be a small general aviation plane with a portable nuke detonated in the air to maximize airburst effects. The nukes are probably stored in mosques or CAIR offices across America's cities because no judge (under this current government) has the political will to issue a search warrant for them. (In fact, some mosques have the phone number for the ACLU in the front so members know who to call if the feds come knocking.)
http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/nuc.asp
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46158

-Iran is about to face sanctions from the UN when the IAEA meets again this November. If they are crazy and/or stupid enough to act, it will be soon. A nuclear capable Iran means a first-strike on Tel Aviv, if no Jerusalem, which means Israel's eight nuclear subs annihilate Persia and the Arabian Peninsula, right during Ramadan.


-Another rumor is that bin Laden is in a tribal area called Der on the Afghan-Pakistani border and that if we drop a MOAB on him, the Jihadists will overthrow Mushariff and take control of the Pakistan nuclear arsenal, including three Agosta 90B stealth submarines.

If an attack occurs, I have a friend who has a camcorder ready to film any Muslims in Brooklyn cheering in public as proof. I believe 95% of Muslims in the United States ideologically support the global jihad on the West. The other 5% are the ones that were able to escape their abusive families and convert. If Muslims believe an attack in the United States will bring victory to them and increase their security, they will be sadly mistaken. The collapse of secular US government will lead to a regime undeterred by the ACLU, activists or modern notions of human rights and laws of land warfare that the Islamists believe is our weakness.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/07/AR2005080700843_pf.html
Al Qaida attacked Madrid even after their newly-elected President agreed to withdraw their troops from Iraq. Dutch filmmaker Theo Van Gogh was murdered by a Muslim simply for speaking his mind. In New Jersey, a coptic Christian was murdered by a Muslim he debated in a chat room. Unless Global Islam adapts its collective psyche to tolerate criticism and other religions, they will only end up destroying the only Western institutions that are holding back the angry and determined elements that will use whatever scientific means to solve its problems. "Jihad" will no longer be a strictly Islamic concept in a post-democracy Hobbesian world.

We live in interesting times indeed.

Happy Ramadan.
Aleykum Asaalam.

And you're a crackpot conspiracy theorists who won't even link to 911research.com or some other similar (deranged) site.

http://www.infowars.com/resources.html#THEROAD

There are four issues that lead me to believe that something else is afoot. I don't know what, but the offical 9-11 Commission has some gaps:

- NORAD was told that the CIA was conducting a hijack drill in Texas. By the time NORAD figured out it was the real deal, they were able to shoot down the Pennsylvania plane which was headed for the US Capital.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essayairdefense.html

- FDNY radio logs, FDNY witnesses INSIDE the towers and news copter footage reveal secondary explosions near the 20th floor before the collapse.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/eyewitness.html

- Buildings around the two towers were pelted by burning debris and yet did not collapse. WTC #7, which was on the other side of the WTC plaza was hit with much less debris and yet caught fire in the afternoon and collapsed hours later. The owner took out a massive insurance policy months prior to purchasing the rest of WTC #7. Larry Silverstein also owns the Sears Tower, which a planned attack was potentially stopped:
http://www.thewgalchannel.com/news/997895/detail.html

- 2.5 Terabytes from the Army's Able Danger data-mining (which apparently identified Atta as a potential al Qaeda hijacker in 2000) was destroyed before 9-11.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Danger

Is it a full moon ? :D

No, a baby donkey riding a giant chicken did it. Really. I showed you the video footage. That's more evidence than you've presented for your argument. Therefore I win.
Drunk commies: No. Stop making stupid jokes, and then saying you are being as serious as I am. Thats just a misheard lyrics animation you linked to.

They should forget Security, and drop their stupid war.
"Oh, look at me, Mommie! I'm surrendering to the terrorists! I'll just lay down here in the subway and wait for them to gas me!" :rolleyes:

We had innocent people getting gunned down because they happened to be brown and South-Central Asian. Not Arabs nor Muslims, just standing in front of angry, armed and thoughtless people.
I can recall ONE! :rolleyes:

I guess Brazilians should avoid NY for a while.


Ah thats nasty. If that guy had been a suicide bomber and hadn't been shot there would have been even more uproar and far more people would have been killed. I am not for a second condoning this guys death but you can not take chances with suicide bombers....The UK has had to deal with terrorist a lot longer than the US

I think that my baby donkey argument finally convinced him.
It did not.

I don't do drugs. I just fight the proganda Bush is using to help him make America some kind of tinpot dictatorship.
Whatever you're smoking, I sure don't want any! Jeeze! :rolleyes: :headbang:

No, the Greys caused 9/11 in order to kill the RSP (Reptillian Saucer People) ambassador who was dining that morning at Windows on the World. To accomplish that they implanted mind control parasites into the heads of a bunch of Saudi Arabians living in the USA. Fortunately the RSP ambassdor escaped in his cloaked Portable Rocket Pod and convinced Bush to attack the Grey base located in Afghanistan. In order to be able to deny extraterrestrial involvement Bush had to make it seem like we were at war with the Taliban.

Makes as much sense as your theory.
More, actually. :D

No, Bush should give up the war. sure terrorists bombed London, but that was to punish the U.K. for the war they are fighting in. However, Al-Qaeda did not do 11/9. Bush did, so Americans would not complain when they were stripped of their liberties, and Homeland Security was created to stop REAL terrorism not the stuff that Bush did. Thats why it came more than a year after the attacks. As for closing the airspace, Bush did that so it would not look like he started a terrorist attack, when the truth was he did.

Proof please.

Here's my understanding of the issue:

They caught some petty criminals in Iraq (!). Those guys said something about guys leaving Iraq (!) to go to New York and use Suitcases to get bombs into the subway.

These days, no one takes these vague colour-coded threat levels serious anymore. NY has been on "orange" since 2001 as far as I know. So now people only joke around and are very cynical indeed when the PotUS just announces some "terror threat" without a justification that can be followed (sources are always secret, hey...).

So now they suddenly come out with a more descriptive threat - in connection with Iraq.
And just now the Prez starts another "rally the people" campaign, with terrorists allegedly using Iraq to create a great caliphate. Ie, he tries to rally support for Iraq by using the terror attacks again.

It all seems one big coincidence, doesn't it?
Anyone remember the story of the boy who cried wolf?

Boy I WISH I was 500 miles away! I'm like five blocks from Ground Zero. I've been carrying a gas mask, a lithium flashlight and KI pills to and from work for the last four years, expecting to have to walk out of a smoke-filled tunnel and walk home in the dark. I expect my bag to be searched. I also live near a section of the subway that is above ground and accessible from the street. Mostly, its Mexican illegals collecting soda cans but a Jihadist could easily slip in and plant explosives to derail a morning subway train. Tonight I expect the NYPD Bell 206s with .50 cal snipers to be flying patrols up and down the lines.
http://www.officer.com/article/article.jsp?id=25641&siteSection=1

Several points:
-Rumor has it that retired NYPD and other mercs have been disappearing random Muslim figures to try and disrupt the sleeper network, and that the families aren't saying anything at the risk of deportation. Whether they're "renditioned" aboard the CIA's luxurious Gulfstream V or disposed of in the Staten Island landfill, who knows.

-If the current intel is correct, any WMD attack on a city will be a small general aviation plane with a portable nuke detonated in the air to maximize airburst effects. The nukes are probably stored in mosques or CAIR offices across America's cities because no judge (under this current government) has the political will to issue a search warrant for them. (In fact, some mosques have the phone number for the ACLU in the front so members know who to call if the feds come knocking.)
http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/nuc.asp
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46158

-Iran is about to face sanctions from the UN when the IAEA meets again this November. If they are crazy and/or stupid enough to act, it will be soon. A nuclear capable Iran means a first-strike on Tel Aviv, if no Jerusalem, which means Israel's eight nuclear subs annihilate Persia and the Arabian Peninsula, right during Ramadan.


-Another rumor is that bin Laden is in a tribal area called Der on the Afghan-Pakistani border and that if we drop a MOAB on him, the Jihadists will overthrow Mushariff and take control of the Pakistan nuclear arsenal, including three Agosta 90B stealth submarines.

If an attack occurs, I have a friend who has a camcorder ready to film any Muslims in Brooklyn cheering in public as proof. I believe 95% of Muslims in the United States ideologically support the global jihad on the West. The other 5% are the ones that were able to escape their abusive families and convert. If Muslims believe an attack in the United States will bring victory to them and increase their security, they will be sadly mistaken. The collapse of secular US government will lead to a regime undeterred by the ACLU, activists or modern notions of human rights and laws of land warfare that the Islamists believe is our weakness.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/07/AR2005080700843_pf.html
Al Qaida attacked Madrid even after their newly-elected President agreed to withdraw their troops from Iraq. Dutch filmmaker Theo Van Gogh was murdered by a Muslim simply for speaking his mind. In New Jersey, a coptic Christian was murdered by a Muslim he debated in a chat room. Unless Global Islam adapts its collective psyche to tolerate criticism and other religions, they will only end up destroying the only Western institutions that are holding back the angry and determined elements that will use whatever scientific means to solve its problems. "Jihad" will no longer be a strictly Islamic concept in a post-democracy Hobbesian world.

We live in interesting times indeed.

Happy Ramadan.
Aleykum Asaalam.
Well said! Excellent post! One of the best I've seen on here yet. Kudos!


السلام علیکم

Proof please.
Okay, here it is. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings#Tape_of_Mohammad_Sidique_Khan)
Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.

Okay, here it is. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings#Tape_of_Mohammad_Sidique_Khan)
Until we feel security you will be our targets and until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.

And the War on Terror will not end until the West feels security from self-destructing Jihadists expecting to see Paradise. This is the tragedy of industrial, scientific warfighting and what game theorists call the prisoner's dillemma, where you don't know how far the other guy will go to screw you over, so any chance of bargaining or reconciliation is seen only as a ploy. In other words, the Global Jihad/War on Terror/Crusade will continue FOREVER unless one side is successful in annihilating the other completely, including destroying all memory and record of texts and ideology. (Not likely, unless we're hit with an asteroid.)

I'm not weighing any side's moral arguments. I don't care who is right and who is wrong. This is now a purely military competition and avoiding conflict with Islam is IMPOSSIBLE in our lifetimes. We ARE going to be attacked again and again. Open society is gone. Security is gone. Peace is gone. All one can hope for in this world is to take two of THEM for each one of OURs lost before the end.

Drunk commies: No. Stop making stupid jokes, and then saying you are being as serious as I am. Thats just a misheard lyrics animation you linked to.
No it's not. It's a coded admission of guilt from the real perpetrator of 9/11. The song used is ticket to ride, like the tickets the hijackers purchased. The "chicken to ride" reference shows that the enemy thinks Americans will be in terror. Chicken=coward, get it?