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In light of the fact that I've won three more seats than my party has members, I'm going to need some people to fill up the needed room. I know I promised a minibar, but I'm going to have to go back on that since I kind of didn't think we'd have space for it anyway; it was sort of a joke. I have toyed with the idea of leaving a seat empty in order to force a tie on an issue I don't like, but I'm not sure I'm going to do that.

ANYway, if you want onboard I'm going to want a few things from you:

First and foremost, I need to know who you are, that is to say I'm not very likely to be filling my seats with people I don't know. I would, of course, prefer all applicants to have voted for me as well. If you'd like a seat, I want you to explain here why you voted Reason and what you intend to do with your vote in the future. Political compass scores would be nice but aren't needed and finally, I'd prefer my MPs be folks who can in fact be arsed to vote. I'll announce my MPs when Parliament is called to session, provided I can find three entries that I like.

This should be interesting, but a question, did the voters on the Reason Party know they were voting for you as opposed to an actual party.

I know you don't care, but I would like to know.

Not sure, but I've seen some interest in the seat, most notably from Stephistan and Euroslavia. I'll be interested to see if they want to apply.

Not sure, but I've seen some interest in the seat, most notably from Stephistan and Euroslavia. I'll be interested to see if they want to apply.

Would you accept Stephistan? She seems like the type of poster you would have fundamental differences with, like Dempublicents.

It might help for you to post a link to your manifesto, if you don't have enough applicants who voted for your party applying here. It's entirely possible someone could agree with your policies, but voted for another party for various reasons, perhaps out of ignorance.

First no automatic ass, and now no automatic seat. Why, as one of your voters, I'm beyond disillusioned now.

Also Melkor, for all of the talk of voter fraud by the Conservative Party, they at least have the visible support to fill their seats.

On a similar note, have you thought about creating 4 puppets?

Would you accept Stephistan? She seems like the type of poster you would have fundamental differences with, like Dempublicents.
Who knows? A lot of different people voted for me, many of whom I didn't expect to. I'm every bit as interested in their reasons as anyone else's.

Well you know me, but having been busy lately with Katrina, Rita, rolling blackouts, and the worst heatwave in South Texas history, I just haven't bothered to vote.

I had initially created a party, but nobody seemed interested. Care to share a link to your Party's platform?

It might help for you to post a link to your manifesto, if you don't have enough applicants who voted for your party applying here. It's entirely possible someone could agree with your policies, but voted for another party for various reasons, perhaps out of ignorance.
Oh trust me, you'll hate it. Here it is. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423022)

Oh trust me, you'll hate it. Here it is. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423022)Lol. I wonder if you're being serious about this. But, naturally I disagree, except for the whole power-being-an-aphrodisiac thing.

You're damn right I'm serious, and I know you disagree.

I've got a Maoist newspaper signed by Jello Biafra, by the way.

I've got a Maoist newspaper signed by Jello Biafra, by the way.

Can I be there for the burning?

And I will just throw out that I am looking to fill the one other seat that the NSCL won. I have two people in mind, but I haven't confirmed anything with them yet, so if you are interested, speak up.

You're damn right I'm serious, and I know you disagree. I never thought of you as particularly Fascist until now.

I've got a Maoist newspaper signed by Jello Biafra, by the way.Oh, that's interesting. I wonder why he signed that. And how long have you had it?

I voted for Reason: I think you should definitely give one seat to Undelia. The picture ('now Melkor is going to fuck his shit up') was hilarious, and Undelia did lots of campaigning for you. Stephistan and Euro also expressed interest. Sorry I mentioned the whole mini-bar thing in the other thread; I hadn't considered that you might adopt a more pragmatic approach to policy on this occasion.

I voted for you, however I don't know if I'm the sort of person you would want as a Reason Party MP. I have no social life, so I have ample time to fill. I vote for reason because I wanted the maximum amount of freedom possible. The economic platform was the most attractive feature to me.

Also, I too think Undelia should have a seat...or he'll fuck up your shit.

The Reason Party is the party of the individual. It supports an economic policy that I agree with (or more accurately a lack of economic policy) and allows people to live their lives in the way they see fit. Melkor makes no attempt to hide the fact that he would rule as a dictator if given the opportunity, unlike many who hide behind the word democracy. After all, what good is a democracy if it is simply tyranny by the majority and all people do is vote benefits out of the government? The Reason Party doesn’t resort to the emotionalist appeals of other parties and recognizes that forcing one to support another with tax dollars is just as bad as preventing gay marriage.

Also, I owe a bit of gratitude to Melkor for shall we say “opening my mind.” When I first stared posting on general I was an ardent conservative. It was through posts by Melkor and others that I soon began to question the very validity of government interference, be it through taxes, subsidies or drug laws. I admit that I still show a preference to “traditional” societies, though, I can no longer support the legal enforcement of such attitudes and have grown to respect many “alternative” ways of life.

I have served on parliament before, for the NSMRR. I suppose my only accomplishment was that through telegrams, I and Crimson Sith (now gone) gathered the votes to prevent parliament from outlying capital punishment.

I don’t find the political compass to be accurate, because it assumes that just because you believe something, it means you want to enforce it, and it has many superfluous questions. The results of another political quiz are in my sig, though.

Congratulations on the election, Melkor.

I never thought of you as particularly Fascist until now.
Well, in actual politics I'd probably shun public service, so this platform isn't what I would call 'realpolitik.' It's mostly an NS thing; I'm not really an authoritarian.

Oh, that's interesting. I wonder why he signed that. And how long have you had it?
I've had it for a little over a year; and he signed it because I had nothing else on hand. He changed the title to "Revolutionary Wanker" and I think he liked the picture of Reagan in a Nazi uniform seig heil-ing on top of the pig they used for Napoleon in the tv movie adapation of Animal Farm. It really is a hilarious picture.

Undelia: Chaces are you're already in, as you were one of my first choices to begin with. But pull your tounge out of my ass! :p

Undelia: Chaces are you're already in, as you were one of my first choices to begin with. But pull your tounge out of my ass! :p
Hear Hear! :D

Undelia: Chaces are you're already in, as you were one of my first choices to begin with. But pull your tounge out of my ass! :p
Oh, come on. You know you like it there.

Undelia: Chaces are you're already in, as you were one of my first choices to begin with. But pull your tounge out of my ass! :p
All right. After all, I wouldn’t want you to fuck up my shit.
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Well, in actual politics I'd probably shun public service, so this platform isn't what I would call 'realpolitik.' It's mostly an NS thing; I'm not really an authoritarian.I didn't think so. So does this mean your party will be relaxing some of its authoritarianness?


I've had it for a little over a year; and he signed it because I had nothing else on hand. He changed the title to "Revolutionary Wanker" and I think he liked the picture of Reagan in a Nazi uniform seig heil-ing on top of the pig they used for Napoleon in the tv movie adapation of Animal Farm. It really is a hilarious picture.That's awesome. I do remember you saying you liked the band name the Dead Kennedys, I wouldn't have thought you'd like their ideas, too. Or perhaps you just like some of them?

I've had a few drinks, but here is why I believe I would be a valued member of The Reason Party.

I do believe in fiscal responsibility, I also believe in personal freedoms. I do have a side that thinks we should give a hand up, but not a hand out. I believe governments should keep social programs limited to absolute need. I and my husband make a lot of money and we like keeping that money, yet with social safety nets we find ourselves paying more than our fair share. I don't believe in government deficits...if you can't balance the budget you have no business in being in government. If I so chose to give to a charity that's all fine and dandy, but the government should not decide what of my money goes where, I SHOULD!

On social issues, I believe that the government has no business in our lives, whether that be morality or otherwise. As long as we are not hurting anyone, we should choose our own path.

Abortion should be legal, but not free. You get yourself in a mess, you clean it up! If that means you have to drain your bank account so be it. It's not like the government got you pregnant!

I believe in personal responsibility and you say it, you do it, you own it! I'm sick and more than tired of people blaming xyz on the government, it's your life, live it or suck it up!

On a final note, yes I voted for the Reason Party.

--It shall retain a near-absolute monopoly on the use of violence, save in individual situations where the victim has no choice but to respond with violence.

--It shall, likewise, never initiate the use of force and will allow all citizens the right to peacably assemble and protest, provided they cause no property/personal damage in doing so.

Agreed. The people have the right to protest actions they don't approve of, peacefully.

--Taxes will not be levied. The Police will sustain themselves on the money they recover from the black market, along with voluntary donations and speeding tickets and the like. Cities and towns may choose to levy a nominal tax to pay for infrastructure; fire departments, roads and the like. The Police system and Courts will be the only existing domestic Federal entity in regards to infrastructure.

I like this one especially. The amount of money from the black market is a lot more than people think. With that alone, they could easily sustain themselves. Taxes for these things (roads, fire dept., etc) are understandable, and agreeable.

I also have to agree with Stephistan. I would prefer to do what I want with my money, rather than paying for someone elses' mistakes. The government's problem with the budget isn't my problem.

--Trade will remain free and unmolested by the state, with any exceptions being strictly transient and minor.
Agreed.

--Foreign relations will be limited to our best interests; no bending over backwards to save a trade partner from an unfortunate circumstance. If third party aggression threatens our trade interests, however, an exception can and may be made.

--Foreign aid will be done away with entirely. We need that money for ourselves; it's not our job to police the world.

Another case of, they got themselves in it, they can get themselves out of it. It's not our fault that another nation's trade balance has become offset. I also agree with the exceptions, because we need to defend our trade interests and what we're receiving out of it.

--All overseas military bases are to be shut down and troops are to return home to assume a more defensive strategic position. US meddling needs to end, the world must be allowed the same liberties as us, ie, they must be allowed to make decisions and decide their fate for themselves.

We need to stay out of other nations' affairs, plain and simple. The USA can't begin to claim that they know the culture and everything about the nations' past; therefore, thinking that they know what to do with the nation. The people of that nation should decide on their own, without a foreign government coming in and telling them (the people living in their own country) what they should do.

--The repeal of all drug laws is to commence at once. All citizens have the right to control the contents of their mind and bodies.

Couldn't agree more. The government doesn't have the right to pick and choose the types of drugs that should be illegal or not. It's the citizens' fault for using that drug in the first place, and they should accept the consequences of using it.

--Government shall be restricted to Courts, Military, and Police. Anything else can and should be handled by society itself. Basic guidelines will be enacted to define 'Free Trade' and the concept will be enforced as such.

I agree with this too. Can't really say much else.

I voted for the Reason Party, and I also explained the party to other people on my contact list. I got some pretty good reactions, even from some people who weren't on NationStates. If given a seat to represent the Reason party, I've shown that I agree with the beliefs of the party, and that I can explain the party's beliefs well enough to convince others of its validity. I will also defend the Reason Party's interests in Parliament to the best of my knowledge.

I voted for the Reason Party.

I voted for two main reasons...

1. I prefer corporate responsbility over corporate regulation.
2. I absolutely prefer personal freedom to the highest degree possible, provided others aren't hurt in the process.

Here's a LINK (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9722934&postcount=113) to my political compass score, plus results from another political quiz I took.

I wouldn't mind being an MP for the Reason Party, and I have plenty of time to do the tasks required for that position.

I very much doubt the Master of Fate will select me, however, as I am just a figment of his imagination. ;)

I didn't think so. So does this mean your party will be relaxing some of its authoritarianness?
Well, for a while I was toying with the idea of ascending to power a la Hitler and getting all these ridiculous and far-reaching powers, then throwing my hands up in exasperation once the rebellion sets in, saying "See?! SEE?!?!!" but I've decided against that.

That said, the Reason Party will be operating within its platform. Truthg be told the only real authoritarian bent within the platform is that I admit I wanna run the show. None of the politics themselves are really authoritarian, in fact I'd be limiting my powers pretty substantially.

That's awesome. I do remember you saying you liked the band name the Dead Kennedys, I wouldn't have thought you'd like their ideas, too. Or perhaps you just like some of them?
I love the Dead Kennedys. I don't really have that much room to only listen to music I find philosophically pleasing, as Objectivists tend to become businessmen and architects and such as opposed to musicians and artists . The Dead Kennedys were a wonderful group with a lot of really worthwhile insights. I think they lost it with [i]Bedtime for Democracy but what band doesn't? I believe Jello is excellent at identifying many of the problems faced by our country, but he doesn't seem to be so good at solving them. My favorite cut from them, I think, is MTV Get Off the Air. Forest Fire is hilarious too; I even know that sweet bass lick at the beginning.

After reading the Reason...I mean...Melkor Platform, I kinda regret voting Classic Liberal. :(

Well, for a while I was toying with the idea of ascending to power a la Hitler and getting all these ridiculous and far-reaching powers, then throwing my hands up in exasperation once the rebellion sets in, saying "See?! SEE?!?!!" but I've decided against that.Heh.

That said, the Reason Party will be operating within its platform. Truthg be told the only real authoritarian bent within the platform is that I admit I wanna run the show. None of the politics themselves are really authoritarian, in fact I'd be limiting my powers pretty substantially.Well, it is true that your platform isn't especially authoritarian, but of course if you're running the show, you can make it as authoritarian or as unauthoritarian as you want.

I love the Dead Kennedys. I don't really have that much room to only listen to music I find philosophically pleasing, as Objectivists tend to become businessmen and architects and such as opposed to musicians and artists . Ah, I suppose you're right, there isn't much objectivist art out there.

The Dead Kennedys were a wonderful group with a lot of really worthwhile insights. I think they lost it with [i]Bedtime for Democracy but what band doesn't? I believe Jello is excellent at identifying many of the problems faced by our country, but he doesn't seem to be so good at solving them. Well, I suppose you would say that, as the solutions he proposed are inconsistent with Objectivist philosophy.

My favorite cut from them, I think, is MTV Get Off the Air. Forest Fire is hilarious too; I even know that sweet bass lick at the beginning.I'm personally fond of "Kill the Poor" and "Nazi Punks Fuck Off", but "MTV Get Off the Air" is up there, too.

After reading the Reason...I mean...Melkor Platform, I kinda regret voting Classic Liberal. :(

After rereading the Reason platform, I kinda regret voting for the Reason party because of it's appalling lack of checks and balances. The only good reason for expanding the size of government is to limit it's power. I fear that by restricting government's size so much, it makes it all too easy to corrupt it. Also, by giving such free reign to corporation, I'm afraid that all that is not ruled by government will, in fact, be ruled by the few and unvoted-for priviledged.

I'll be happy to work as a slight opposition voice in the cabinet though. Not working against the goals of the Reason party, but providing another voice and another source of ideas that will perhaps temper some of the more outrageous policies or at least poorly detailed policies. I will work with intellectual honesty in as unbiased a manner as possible.

A cabinet's not a bad idea, now that you mention it. I think I'll take you up on that. While I'm at it, I'll offer another cabinet spot to Delator if he'd like it. Maybe I'll think of a few more too.

On that note, I have finalized the list of MPs for the Reason Party. They are as follows:
Me!
Xaosis Redux
Undelia
Euroslavia
Stephistan.

I believe enough time has passed so that I can pass this list with a fair amount of certainty. I know I'll be keeping my eye on that last; she can be a tricky one ;)

On that note, I have finalized the list of MPs for the Reason Party. They are as follows:
Me!
Xaosis Redux
Undelia
Euroslavia
Stephistan.

It's a mod conspiracy!

A cabinet's not a bad idea, now that you mention it. I think I'll take you up on that. While I'm at it, I'll offer another cabinet spot to Delator if he'd like it.

I would be most honored to serve in a Reason Party Cabinet.

I know I'll be keeping my eye on that last; she can be a tricky one ;)

If she gets impeached, I would be happy to replace her... :p

After rereading the Reason platform, I kinda regret voting for the Reason party because of it's appalling lack of checks and balances. The only good reason for expanding the size of government is to limit it's power. I fear that by restricting government's size so much, it makes it all too easy to corrupt it. Also, by giving such free reign to corporation, I'm afraid that all that is not ruled by government will, in fact, be ruled by the few and unvoted-for priviledged.

Huh? :confused:

Melkor is the ultimate check on others' authority and power in the platform.

Huh? :confused:

Melkor is the ultimate check on others' authority and power in the platform.

Suckup :D

Well, he does have a point. Strictly interpreted, my manifesto argues for a government that is more or less under my total control, so I am just about the only check/balance that exists, aside from the general mechanics of the thing [courts, police, etc]. I've always been a big beleiver in the "If you want something done right..." ethos. Whether other people choose to trust me in this capacity [which they probably won't, but hey] is another issue altogether.

It's totally legitimate to question the fairness of such a system, but then again it's not like I'm trying to get elected in real life off this platform; it's more or less a projection of how things would be run in my alternate universe where I wouldn't shun public service on general principle.

Don't mind me. I'm just pissed because no one was interested in my Anti-Idiot party. :D

Would anyone complain if Texas Hotrodders and Myself were selected as the NSCL reps? I know this is for Reason, but there are a few CL former reps looming around.

I'd think both of us would be good, and I know at least I love to advance the cause of sovereignty thru the tenets of classical liberalism.

Well, he does have a point. Strictly interpreted, my manifesto argues for a government that is more or less under my total control, so I am just about the only check/balance that exists, aside from the general mechanics of the thing [courts, police, etc]...

Libertarian monarchy? Didn't we settle that issue, that it could not exist.

So if there can't be a libertarian monarch... but Melkor is a libertarian monarch... does that mean that Melkor doesn't exist?

Hey Melkor, since you don't exist anymore can I have your modship? Flawed logic be damned.

Would anyone complain if Texas Hotrodders and Myself were selected as the NSCL reps? I know this is for Reason, but there are a few CL former reps looming around.

I'd think both of us would be good, and I know at least I love to advance the cause of sovereignty thru the tenets of classical liberalism.

It's good to see you're still around! I was wondering where you had hidden yourself lately. :)

In any case, I don't have time to be active in the Parlaiment in any capacity at this point, but I appreciate the recommendation. :)

I'll be one of your MPs!

Not that I voted for you, but then I didn't vote for anyone!

Just one question, where do the police get thier money? The black market, you say. Well, if drugs, guns and nearly everything else is legal and deregulated, then where is your black market?

All right. After all, I wouldn’t want you to fuck up my shit.
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Can I be Húrin? Or is that you?

Libertarian monarchy? Didn't we settle that issue, that it could not exist.
Sure it can. In this game, it's called a "Benevolent Dictatorship." It is, In my opinion, the best form of government imaginable, but unfortunately only in the short run. I imagine it would be impossible to perpetuate for any meaningful length of time.

The idea that it can't exist stems from the assumption that autocratic government are, by definition, corrupt and authoritarian. Truth be told, it depends on the leader more than the system itself, since he would technically have the power to actually cut[!] military spending and keep the cops out of our bedrooms.

I'll be one of your MPs!

Not that I voted for you, but then I didn't vote for anyone!
Har har.

Just one question, where do the police get thier money? The black market, you say. Well, if drugs, guns and nearly everything else is legal and deregulated, then where is your black market?

Stolen goods, mostly. In fact, aside from drugs, stolen goods are probably the largest commodity on the black market. I like this sytem because in order fo the police to get the money they want, they have to do their job. No more of this sitting on your ass on the taxpayer's dime at Dunkin' Donuts, sarge.

In all honesty, some regions with low crime might have to explore alternate methods of funding, but I would prefer it if we could at least try to devise a system that isn't based on "Hey, lets just take some money every time someone gets paid, and then take some more money again when they buy stuff with the money we already taxed."

Ok, so I can be a MP w/ Vittios?

Ok, so I can be a MP w/ Vittios?

I have no clue who you are, but you seem very interested in doing this. So if anyone I trust who does know you would vouch for you, you could have a seat.

Sweet.
I am Secretary of World Affairs of ACCEL.
I am actually on the CL's forum (I came for ACCEL and for this sovereign senate thing...b/c I liked a parliament idea).
I am apart of the National Sovereignty Organization.
I am relatively well known Diplomat in general to such places on Texas, Gatesville, the Rejected Realms, the West Pacific and many others.

I have dealt with Santa Barbara and others with the Capitalist Economic Organization and Conservative Defense Alliance prior to the formation of Alliance of Capitalists, Conservatives, and Economic Libertarians.

I enjoy the CATO institute (www.cato.org)...I like free markets...uhh that's I guess is a reasonable concise overview.

As for policy, I believe in a hands off international gov't that is for the purpose of improving the game not creating a one-size-fits-all government. Thus I will not pursue an activist agenda for any cause and hope to fend off attacks by socialists and general do-gooder whom wish to have everyone be as cool as they are by making everyone into a carbon copy of each other...NationStates can improve but red-tape and solar paneling are not part of a sound policy to accomplish the task. I think the marketplace of ideas is truly stagnant in NS at times, and I think the Clibs can lead the cause of liberal amounts of good debate not bad proposals.